http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8mLPEsUYiM
found this one on, yea youtube, seems pretty good! but i dunno if it's vue 7 although I've only seen 6 seconds :p

edit: okay it says something about eonsoftware posted this :p so it's real probably

A typical Philippe Bouyer promo. Spectacular as always ;-) What is from Vue6 and what Vue 7? I think 70%  we see is from Vue6 previous promo videos. The new clouds look nice, and the indoor scenes at the end look nice too.

Mazak

Guess it is real, but normally e-on presents each new feature inside the demo reel. But again, they never said Vue7 was ready. So this is maybe just a sneak preview ( I can see very defined clouds) in the middle of Vue6 footage?

Very nice.
Pity there was only one indoor scene.
I'd really like to see their promised  "... completely new indoor Radiosity engine" in action.

This disappointed me.
70% of the scenes shown are from Vue6, the clouds are disappointing too from the fact that they hardly even improved, it still looks like the same detail and still driven by the same functions seemingly no billowy look. The indoor scene looks like something that could be done in Vue6 easily so, nothing from a technical standpoint that we couldn't do in Vue6 with normal effort.

Through the recent years, it has been shown and proven by various software- and especially game-companies that announcing products too early is a big mistake, and it seems as it is really too early for Vue7, the devs should take their time and wait to bring out material when it is viable.

On the other hand, fake? perhaps..

Quote - This disappointed me.
70% of the scenes shown are from Vue6, the clouds are disappointing too from the fact that they hardly even improved, it still looks like the same detail and still driven by the same functions seemingly no billowy look. The indoor scene looks like something that could be done in Vue6 easily so, nothing from a technical standpoint that we couldn't do in Vue6 with normal effort.

How DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!! :laugh: when I wrote the same concepts in another thread I was almost lynched!

By the way, on E-On site they say that they will present Vue7 at Siggraph; may be we all didn't understand that they were talking about Siggraph Asia (Dec 10, 2008) or Siggraph 2009...

I think that we all should accept the fact that the jump 6->7 is NOT going to be so significant as the 5->6 one and stop moaning.

Bye!

P.S.: clouds ARE better, their edges are much fuzzier than before.

Xpleet, I don't understand some things. Everyone was moaning that there was no info on Vue7, then this little video came out unofficially, showing or not showing the new Vue7 features. It was never said that this was the Vue7 that will be released, every topic from the people who were at Siggraph stated this was an early beta that was previewed, and now you say that Vue7 is disappointing, how do you know anything about Vue7?
And how can you say that e-on made a mistake showing Vue7 too early, they didn't show it at all to you or me. They showed a preview of the present Vue7 beta at Siggraph, stating that this was indeed a beta as of yet.
They announced Vue7 for the end of the year, not the end of august. Where is the mistake?
What is your point here?

ha :d no fighting :p everyone got's his or her own opinion! I find it nice :p

Quote - and now you say that Vue7 is disappointing

jeez,

i said the video is disappointing.

Quote - How DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!! when I wrote the same concepts in another thread I was almost lynched!

Lolll i remember the day I started the thread about my critics on Vue clouds

Quote - P.S.: clouds ARE better, their edges are much fuzzier than before.

I didn't see it then, ytb video :P. The lighting in the vid where you're over the clouds comes from in front or behind the cam, which is a typical trick for hiding detail that isn't there :P, i can assume but i don't know. I want to see billowy clouds :) .

Can't wait to see clouds with the sharpness slider cranked up.

Quote - Siggraph Asia (Dec 10, 2008) or Siggraph 2009

lol
 

The video has all the looks of the type you have looping on a screen at your event booth as an attention draw. It's clearly not intended as a presentation of specific features. As such I think it does a great job.

How do they do it.

Real or Fake; it's Nice Animation.
Crickey.

 I'd say this video is a fake. 99% of it shows older work done by Philippe Bouyer in Vue 5 & 6. Also, the quality of the video is poor and is too similar to the Vue Infinite 6 video. Don't be fooled by this video it's easy to composite the vue 7 logo onto an old video.

Also, Philippe Bouyer wouldn't put out something of that low quality IMO.

Looks Fake IMO.

Unfortunately, in another thread I posted the URL of  an image of E-On booth in which you can see a monitor  showing something tagged with Vue7 and the screenshot is exactly compatible with the YouTube movie.

It is not fake, I am sure that E-On had to work an awful lot to perform xStream integration in other apps and therefore the features which interest us have been left behind. Thes only way for E-On to give us a significant set of new features is to delay Vue7 up to summer '09; if they stick to a 1Q09 release, we might even not get all that was announced.

The most damning evidence of deep trouble is that NO test renders have been posted.

Bye...

I don't think it is fake, as I already said, and I don't think the video quality is poor.  Did you see the hi res version? Not poor at all, 100% Phoul quality imho.

Attached Link: http://www.cornucopia3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7110

Or, of course continued speculation regarding the quality and intentions of Vue7 are probably even more fun for some.

Quote - There's a great review of what one visitor to the e-on booth at SigGraph thought of Vue7 over at Cornucopia. I suggest if anyone's really interested, they should check it out.

Or, of course continued speculation regarding the quality and intentions of Vue7 are probably even more fun for some.

...personal defamation of me included. B.t.w., the ongoing total silence and absolute lack of Vue7 demo renders suggest to anybody capabable of indipendent (i.e. non-fanboy) thinking that something is severely wrong with this situation.

me, I'd rather they concentrate on bug stomping rather than showing me pretty pictures of something that might be completely different when it gets out of beta but that's just me

Quote - ...personal defamation of me included. B.t.w., the ongoing total silence and absolute lack of Vue7 demo renders suggest to anybody capabable of indipendent (i.e. non-fanboy) thinking that something is severely wrong with this situation.

It's not necessary to call anyone names. Most of us here at Rendo Vue community have been around for some time, and have figured out how to help each other and provide support for Vue. Calling members 'fanboys', certainly does not promote a civil and community spirit.

I'm curious, what is the logic behind your conclusion "something is severely wrong with this situation?"

Quote - > Quote - ...personal defamation of me included. B.t.w., the ongoing total silence and absolute lack of Vue7 demo renders suggest to anybody capabable of indipendent (i.e. non-fanboy) thinking that something is severely wrong with this situation.

It's not necessary to call anyone names. Most of us here at Rendo Vue community have been around for some time, and have figured out how to help each other and provide support for Vue. Calling members 'fanboys', certainly does not promote a civil and community spirit.

I'm curious, what is the logic behind your conclusion "something is severely wrong with this situation?"

About calling names, my nickname has been posted on the Curnucopia thread you mentioned with derogatory comments associated, so I AM THE FIRST ONE who has been INSULTED and I am just trying to DEFEND myself.

I understand that in a very competitive environment one might be secretive w.r.t. what he is developing but, as soon as one has shown the product in a world class event like SIGGRAPH there is no logical (or at least understandable) reason not to give further information either on the firm website or with a controlled release of information from alpha/beta testers.

Even in the case of Terragen2 (one of the worst delayed programs I know of) there have been more information (for a couple of years, on Luc Bianco website you could see astonishing renders which hinted at what Terragen 2 could do).

I remember Vue6 rollout: immediately after SIGGRAPH 06 a comprehesive (and new...) video from Belino.net was available and, if I remember well, there were detailed information on E-On website.

Now I am not requesting the spectacular openess of L3DT (http://www.bundysoft.com/L3DT/) developer who releases frequent public betas and has a PUBLIC (and frequently updated) todo list in the program wiki, or the frequent blogging from the World Machine developer, I think that telling everybody who didn't go to SIGGRAPH some like "hey, bunch of suckers who put out of the wallet the credit card in the past, we are doing this and this and this, here are a few render and a couple of videos, drool upon them and shut up because we haven't the slightest idea of release date" wouldn't be so earth-shaking... it's just customer relations, nothing special.

Silence make you think: why aren't they telling anything? what's the problem? I have enough grey hair to know that even when you assume the worst you are always too optimistic so the math is simple.

... no, I am not writing "bye".

P.S.: Vue 7 has been photographed and there are eye witnesses; the same can be said for UFO, little grey men, Yeti's, the Lockness monster, ghosts, etc. etc. I cite the words that  skeptic.com has for the recent Bigfoot news: "Show Me the Body".

Alex,

The only reference I found regarding your name in the Cornucopia thread is Pam's comment:

Quote - Contrary to Mr. alexcoppo's comments. upon meeting most of the staff in person for the first time, I am quite impressed with how much Vue is a labor-of-love for the president of the company, and everyone involved.

Which frankly didn't seem at all derogatory to me. Furthermore, in a thread here at Rendo Pam also said:

Quote - Sorry Alexcoppo, I am not making a personal attack on you. Am disagreeing with your blanket  assertion that the only motive for making software is to make money. Your comments were very reasonable and clearly a personal opinion. It is simply that I found this assertion to not be relevant to the Vue staff, and it is reasonable to report back that it doesn't seem to apply well to these people.

So it seems you are still quite upset.

You say:

Quote - Vue 7 has been photographed and there are eye witnesses; the same can be said for UFO, little grey men, Yeti's, the Lockness monster, ghosts, etc. etc.

There are a 'few' features shown in the Vue7 video, the interior room rendering, the new clouds and the infinite terrains. I doubt very much any of it could have been done unless a Vue7 beta was being worked on.

There is so much bugs in Vue I don't understand how they can add new features. They are not serious because each new update breaks something that was working before... I think they'd better review their developpement process and make 1 year of refactoring and testing.

Quote - There is so much bugs in Vue I don't understand how they can add new features. They are not serious because each new update breaks something that was working before... I think they'd better review their developpement process and make 1 year of refactoring and testing.

I haven't noticed many bugs but maybe I don't drive it hard enough

These features are all in beta, so, it's easier for Phoul to re-do existing stuff, than newer stuff, I'd expect.

there maybe other features nto yet announced.

Fanboy...yeah I rememebr bing called that on the Everquest boards, because I sat down, and worked out how to do things...rather than moan me arse off, fruitlessly ;)
And last thing I was was a fan of the devs, grrr!!!!!!!!
See "gates of Discord" expansion for Everquest, as to what occurs when devs dont' listen to testers evil grin

Vue5 Ininite pissed me of HUGELY, due to the bugs. didn't use it for several months I was so mad and frustrated :/

Vue6Infinite has been very stable/good for me for many months.
Sorry if it isn't for some folk.

Go read the forums for other apps and see how happy they all are....

since when have they fixed the interface bug that overloads it's memory and crashes the application + bonus* chance on killing the saved file aswell? 

I'm having atleast 9 incrementals per 4 hour project...

Never had that bug (at least as far as I'm aware, Vue6I crashed a LOT in first few months though), MAC or PC, V6 infinite or another version?

I know that larger RAM footprints help a ton with memory leaks. Foud that out hard with games, and seems to apply to apps too.
Is that what you mean? :)

Quote - since when have they fixed the interface bug that overloads it's memory and crashes the application + bonus* chance on killing the saved file aswell? 

I'm having atleast 9 incrementals per 4 hour project..

I imagine you're pushing it too hard in some way or another. Check the size of your texture maps, then the number of instances of eco-systems. Or parametric terrains? There are plenty of shortcuts for all of these problems-- if you need any help with them just ask.

The clouds scape at the beginning and end are Vue 7. The ocean with the island is Vue 7 and you can tell by the foam which Vue 7 has foam features which is new. The new clouds look far better then in Vue 6. They look far more like an actual object which react to light better while still being billowy and notice these clouds look more detailed as well. The marching soldiers is probably Vue 6. The energy gate is Vue 6 as i remember this from the Vue 6 presentation. Palm tree sunrise and temple looks like Vue 6. God ray hill side is Vue 6. Trees after the god ray hill side looks newer. Green hills fly overs looks like Vue 6. Under water looks like Vue 6 as i think i recall that in the old presentation. Old ship is Vue 6. Field, not certain but the river pass is Vue 6. Arctic scape looks like Vue 7 showcasing the infinite procedurals. Air liner is Vue 6.5. Old war planes are Vue 6. Interior render is probably showcasing the new radiosity engine for Vue 7. UFO is Vue 6 from the old presentation. Snow scape is probably Vue 6.

Quote - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8mLPEsUYiM
found this one on, yea youtube, seems pretty good! but i dunno if it's vue 7 although I've only seen 6 seconds :p

edit: okay it says something about eonsoftware posted this :p so it's real probably

It's fake.  I saw that video over two years ago.

shonner, I think it's real. I've seen all Vue demo reels, and this one is different. Clouds are different, the jungle temple is new, the radiosity scene at the end is new too.

Yep, I'd bet it's real. Or at least the parts described by Sethren.

Anyone have the ORIGINAL marching soldiers, and "energy gate" scenes, to compare them, to see if there's something different? :)

IIRC, didn't the marching soldiers have no flying ships overhead?? not sure on that as that was Vue5I, iirc?

I checked the situation using my recollections of what I had seed on belino.net

1. opening cloudy sky scene: NEW
2. airplane flying: OLD
3. old style ship on the see: NEW
4. temple scene: NEW (uses GeekAtPlay Maya temple)
5. river at sunset: OLD
6. plant: ??? possibly new
7. seeaweeds: NEW
8. plant with non-flat leaves: NEW
9. air acrobatics scene: OLD (by now a standard in every hospital to induce vomit in poison cases :lol:)
10. marching troops with overhead fying things: OLD (b.t.w., appareantly in the 30th century armies have forgot that dispersion is the first thing to do in order to reduce casualties...)
11. temple with sun-like thing: partly new (old scene had less trees around)
12. sunrise over tropical palms: OLD, used lots of times on youtube to fake UFO footage...
13. again the temple scene (highly inspired to the final shots of last Indiana Jones movie)
14. godrays on a grassy field: NEW
15. again non-flat leaves plant
16. where is the plastic bag because I have an urgent need!!!!!
17. underwarter seeweeds: you can glimpse ship wreck remains sold on Cornucopia
18. Jack Sparrow's (Captain Jack Sparrow!!!!) ship (waves almost realistics)
19. island approach flyby: NEW
20. some more greenery: NEW
21. river at sunset (already analyzed)
22. fly over artic area: NEW (and beatiful, reminds Firefox footage)
23. airplane with position lights interacting with clouds: OLD/NEW (was one of the features of 6.5 but this render is longer)
24. dogfight over France in summer 1944 (the allied plane has the invasion stripes which were used for a brief period only on France) OLD
25. Building render: NEW
26. Internal architectural render: NEW
27. UFO with wind, old theme, new render
28. sun over mountain with snow and pines: NEW
29. as in the begining, clouds scene.

Overall, if E-On people had only show new renders, it would have been a quite impressive demo.

Bye!!!

Wow, Alex, good you see new things in the demo.

I found all of the videos for the Vue intros on You Tube:

Vue 7/6 (High Quality Version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8mLPEsUYiM

Vue 6 preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSeT5U5-pbo

Vue 6.5 preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T4yHUC-bOg&feature=related

Another intro to Vue 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXs8Qytzac&feature=related

Quote - Wow, Alex, good you see new things in the demo.

I see what is there, nothing less, nothing more. Wishful thinking is NOT my second name.

P.S.: there is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtO6lyZtqBY for Vue 5.

For those who still have doubts about the authenticity of the Vue showreel:

http://www.e-onsoftware.com/about/event/NewsSiggraph2008.php

There's the offficial confirmation that the Demoreel is real. Also check out the latest newsletter.

Not much news, but at least it's a sign of life from e-on ;-)

I find the xStream integration vid most interesting. Looks they got it right this time around.

I think that the real emphasis is on integration with other apps, especially for architects. I think that it would have been less confusing to call it Vue6 Architects Edition.

Bye...

Quote - I think that the real emphasis is on integration with other apps, especially for architects. I think that it would have been less confusing to call it Vue6 Architects Edition.

Bye...

jaw drops
Man, you're very "glass half empty", mate! :/

What about movie sequences? Games? Do you think these doors are closed for Vue7?

Anyone using Vue 7 (6.99) yet besides E-on?  Or does the NDA state that one cannot say if they are in a beta group?

Quote - jaw drops
Man, you're very "glass half empty", mate! :/

In life, to assume that there IS a glass is already being optimistic....

Shonner,
Generally, NDAs mean you cannot say ANYTHING about it, whether being in a beta, or not in a beta, until released from it (I've beta'd lots of games)
For the record I'm not currently in a Vue beta or alpha.

Alexcoppo,
most of life is attitude, not reality.
Poor attitudes can affect your health and achievements (seriously).

I alway slook at the glass being half full, though with my luck, be half full of pee! :D