Available for Platinum Club members today and will be available for everyone tomorrow!!

Downloading as I type :thumbupboth:

As I posted there, waiting for the body/catsuit and the expansion pack from that,

One of the files is titled "Michael 4 Genitalia Power Loader (DAZ Studio Only)", I'm almost afraid to install it :scared:

hmm...sounds like something that would be on 'that other place that sounds a lot like this one..;)'

Bleh I see the high armpit cut is even worse on M4 than it is on V4 :/  Why didn't they do a better job with the rig, they've only had the mesh and rig for TWO YEARS now?  What have they been doing with it all this time?

Well, can't complain about the price :) Wow got quite a package for 20.00. I kinda like his mesh, its sortof pretty.  As for his rig, ya I expected that, I'm already cutting him up to fit my rig to him, I'll have him bending over backwards and kissing his own bu** by tomorrow. :) I'm happy to finally see him.

Cheers.

gotta go play.

Quote - One of the files is titled "Michael 4 Genitalia Power Loader (DAZ Studio Only)", I'm almost afraid to install it :scared:

LOL!  Didn't know M4 has power down there. Can I get one myself? LOL!!! XD

How in the hell do you get rid of these stupid breifs?

Something about 'on your knees' and 'working it'? ;)

I downloaded the M4 base but still debating the Pro bundle (a bit costly even on sale - considering the V4 pro bundle and the A4 pro bundle and so forth).

Quote - pjz99

What have they been doing with it all this time?

Making the elite morphs and Aiko.

Anyways, I'm not impressed from the previews so I think I'll be sticking to V4 for the meantime. 

The Elite Morphs is just three FBMs, can't have taken that much time to do; and A4 again is really a pretty small number of morphs.  Maybe a couple of months' work if they really took their time - no comment about quality because I don't own either one.  In fact I can't see why it took two years to get A4 and the Elite morphs out!

I will say though that the default M4 proportions are a lot more realistic than V4's:

Isn't it funny to look at those pics and see normal legs? 

Quote - Something about 'on your knees' and 'working it'? ;)

I downloaded the M4 base but still debating the Pro bundle (a bit costly even on sale - considering the V4 pro bundle and the A4 pro bundle and so forth).

          That might work!

Quote - The Elite Morphs is just three FBMs, can't have taken that much time to do; and A4 again is really a pretty small number of morphs.  Maybe a couple of months' work if they really took their time

Exactly.

I didn't get the elite morphs, haven't been using Aiko 4 all that much yet.  Aiko 4 is okay, but I think I prefer that style to be more cartoony looking in general.

Ok the hype and hoopla and waiting are all over. M4 is finally here, and the base is FREE for me as a PC member.

I was happy as a fish in water.

Then I downloaded and tried to install M4.

I am not amused, nor impressed. Aside from the issues mentioned above with the armpit thing. (For the life of me I don't know why they won't/can't fix that) And what the heck is up with his hands? They're huge! They look like they belong on the freak to me.

Installing this figure was about as easy as building a car from the ground up. For me. So beware if you're using an older version of poser, this figure is not friendly. LOL

But, once I got the figure installed, and loaded finally. What really about set me off, was that I then found that none of the inlcuded textures will load on the figure, had to apply them all manually. No materials either.  And the nice vein displacement I saw in the promos, nonexistant.

At this point given the way the PC has been "treated" this anniversary, and all the hype and hoopla over M4 all I can seriously say at this point is "Whatever.................:roll:

I'd have been better off if I'd have spent the money I've spent on M4 this month,  buying the stuff I've my eye on, from the store here.

Regards,

Not impressed.

Edit: This is simply my own opinion.

Hey! I just noticed they used the same setup for the foreskin as I did in Brad. Pretty cool huh? :) I'm almost done rerigging him with a phantom rigg. I like the mesh it's pretty smooth. Wish I could get rid of those damn shorts though. Same with V4.  :)

cheers.

You need the hi-res mats to get rid of them.  As in life, you have to pay to remove the shorts even virtually. ;P

Quote - You need the hi-res mats to get rid of them.  As in life, you have to pay to remove the shorts even virtually. ;P

Money, money, money! they're always wanting money. Looks like he's spendy too! :)

Well gonna have finish this rigg tomorrow, I'm gonna be dead for work in the morn. M4 done kept me up half the night.  :)

Later,

Mike.

Quote - > Quote - You need the hi-res mats to get rid of them.  As in life, you have to pay to remove the shorts even virtually. ;P

Money, money, money! they're always wanting money. Looks like he's spendy too! :)

Well gonna have finish this rigg tomorrow, I'm gonna be dead for work in the morn. M4 done kept me up half the night.  :)

Later,

Mike.

You only need the standard res mats to get rid of the shorts not the hi-res. If you get the standard res the natural will get rid of the shorts.

Anyone tried the UTC to get M3 skins to work yet?

Have a look in the DAZ MilMan texture folder - I've just got the free version, but I've still got a full body texture without briefs. But it needs to be applied manually, I think.

Quote - > Quote - One of the files is titled "Michael 4 Genitalia Power Loader (DAZ Studio Only)", I'm almost afraid to install it :scared:

LOL!  Didn't know M4 has power down there. Can I get one myself? LOL!!! XD

Whoa you didn't know that men think with their power loader before all else??? hehehehehe

**kuroyume0161,

How nicely does this figure play with interposer pro and importing into Cinema.  I have heard that there are new ERC controls that make this figure not fully compatible with Carrara, which I currently use.

But I was wondering if Daz has done anything with it that causes compatability problems with your excellent software.

The reason I ask is that I am going to jump ship from Carrara to cinema, and as I am a heavy content user, for my sins, I would like to know of any issues.

Cheers.

NM.**

M4 is powerful.

I am well known to be one of the foremost hyper crybabies about the underarm cut and bizarre arms/shoulders/elbows of these PoserDazDom figures, and while my hyper-critical eye can still see an unnaturallity there, things indeed are vastly improved. Vastly.

Second, the morph++ set is a echo of V4s, and I am a fan. You can dial in character beautifully.

I have a short animation rendering now and will post as soon as cooked.

While the hi-res maps and the 3rd party skins shipped with the ProBundle are "okay", the winner is the Daz hi-res M4-02 texture. Magnificent. Promo link:

http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/new-michael-4/michael-4-textures?item=7986&cat=847&_m=d

The M4 base is free, and the pro bundle, including this "02" texture map, is $45 if a PC member.

PoserPro
3-light setup
raytrace soft shadows
AO engaged in nodes
min shade rate .021
pixel sample 18
face/character from morphs++

::::: Opera :::::

This one is more of a "guy" chacter/pose/render.

:: og ::

v4 meets m4 ;)
click to see all the details!
m4's textures are really great o

light is from valerie, bagginsbill's vss shader, maya elite texture and the glorious hair...

Where do I get the vss shader?
Thanks

Hurray... now Barbie finally has a Ken to play with. While everyone cries out for realistic figures, DAZ keeps on releasing barbie dolls. Glad I'm not a PC member and another reason to NOT stop by DAZ for at least another 6 months.

Since the release of V4 I've saved so much money and that will continue for a long time....... Bought Vue, Poser Pro, Comic Life, now what should I buy next?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - You need the hi-res mats to get rid of them.  As in life, you have to pay to remove the shorts even virtually. ;P

Money, money, money! they're always wanting money. Looks like he's spendy too! :)

Well gonna have finish this rigg tomorrow, I'm gonna be dead for work in the morn. M4 done kept me up half the night.  :)

Later,

Mike.

You only need the standard res mats to get rid of the shorts not the hi-res. If you get the standard res the natural will get rid of the shorts.

A cheap date, huh? Men, typical. ;P

"......Ken......."

As i showed in my two renders, you can have the cute Ken the "guy." You can also have whatever level of world-weariness, warrior damage and aged faces you want.

I don't see the problem.

::::: Opera :::::

Is the 'aged face' 'Uncle Albert'?

Unfortunately, I cannot afford to splurge here.  M4 Base plus Complete on credit-card.  That's it for me. :)

Quote - Is the 'aged face' 'Uncle Albert'?

Unfortunately, I cannot afford to splurge here.  M4 Base plus Complete on credit-card.  That's it for me. :)

if addressed to me....no, although that Uncle Albert looks cool. The render of the aged face I did (he's not THAT much older!) was shaped from the Morphs++ with a skin that comes with the pro package, "HiRes-02". That skin pack is available separately.
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/new-michael-4/michael-4-textures?item=7986&cat=847&_m=d

::::: Opera :::::

I bought the pro bundle last night. No troubles on download. I downloaded some of the mac files also because I'm considering a mac as my next laptop. I go to have a wisdom tooth extracted in just a couple of hours (Whoopie, what fun???? Can you smell the sarcasm on my breath?) so I haven't installed him yet and don't know if I'm going to feel up to installing and tinkering with him today. I wish that the M4 plugin to Texture Converter had been ready because I would have purchased that as well at the same time. I've had loads of fun converting V3 textures to use on V4.

10/21/04

Latexluv:

There is already an M4 module for Texture Converter 2. I haven't tried yet, but it will probalby convert V4male textures (and maybe Vit4) to M4. There are a boat-load of decent M3 and D3 textures to try as well.

LMK

Quote - Glad I'm not a PC member and another reason to NOT stop by DAZ for at least another 6 months.

There are some posters whose participation here is so repetitive that it doesn't require looking at their avatar to figure out who they are. Any time there's a DAZ post, one can always count on a negative visit.

M4 is free. I don't know when I'll get around to buying other stuff for the character (outside of PC items), but there will certainly be a pile of freebies soon for the figure.

I'm going to get TC2 (the coupons are in my account) and try out MaskEdits 12 V4 skins on M4.

lkendall, do you have the link to that plugin? I swear I looked and couldn't find one available yet. I'll check out the link to it sometime this afternoon after the extraction. Thanks so much for telling me about this!

ANIMATION

http://jrdonohue.com/m4-02.mov
best to right click and download
2.3 MB Your player must read H.264

Did this gesture clip to see his arm/underarm cut in motion.
Please do not judge as finished animation (no blinks, no stops, etc)

This is a great rig.

::::: Opera :::::

"This is a great rig."

No, it isn't.

10/21/08

Latexluv:

I hope I don't get in trouble for these links, just trying to be helpful. If the links are dead, I went to DAZ and searched on TC2:
http://www.daz3d.com/i.x/search/searchsub/?_m=d&sstring=tc2

TC2 M3/D3 module:
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/tc2-michael-3?item=7819&_m=d

TC2 M4 module:
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/tc2-michael-4?item=7816&_m=d

TC2 V4/A4 module:
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/tc2-v4-a4?item=7809&_m=d

LMK

PATSY: It's only a model.
ARTHUR: Shhh!

Ok Joe.

We know your pitch. To avoid head butt, I offer this addendum to my post. This is what I meant:

This is a great rig. It is great for what I do, for what I need and for the great price. I am spectaularly and greatly happy. I've geen waiting for this a great long time. I am grateful it has arrived. I plan to do great things with it and see no barrier. Great!

DISCLAIMER:
just because M4 is great in operaguy's world does not mean it will be great in your world view. all world views vary. they are the construct of the thinker. your mileage may vary, as you may be driving on a different road than operaguy. operaguy's valuations are not to be taken as UNIVERSAL TRUTH but instead are only valid for his constructed world view which is no better than anyone elses. do not be encouraged by his claims, nor discouraged as they are meaningless to anyone but him.

Great! glad I got that off my chest.

::::: Opera :::::

[edited to fix a typo and add two more 'greats.']

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - You need the hi-res mats to get rid of them.  As in life, you have to pay to remove the shorts even virtually. ;P

Money, money, money! they're always wanting money. Looks like he's spendy too! :)

Well gonna have finish this rigg tomorrow, I'm gonna be dead for work in the morn. M4 done kept me up half the night.  :)

Later,

Mike.

You only need the standard res mats to get rid of the shorts not the hi-res. If you get the standard res the natural will get rid of the shorts.

A cheap date, huh? Men, typical. ;P

Ya and a wham bam thank you sir too, but at least I'm back for more.   

Only half a day at work today, oh boy I can play with M4 some more!

I have to agree with opera guy.  I also am very critical, in fact I was so dosapointed with the past models I built my own.  I have to say I am super pleased with M4. (that really surprised me too)
I was all ready to be let down and disastisfied, but Daz has made some excellent improvements.  I would have wished for more edge looping in the mesh for better morphs, but at the same time this mesh is so smooth and silky, I like. The underarm crease is still there in extreme bends but is vastly improved.  And The basketball buns are nearly gone. The overall proportions for the model are sweet, very nicely done, and definitely male. I am just plain pleased, all models have problems but this one less than most. I was also tickled to see they used the same setup for the foreskin in M4 as I used in Brad, makes me feel like I'm not a total crackpot, someone else thinks like me It's a much better more realistic setup for the gens than M3. Who is their modeler? Name's Farr isn't it? Well thank you Mr. Farr, this is a model I can see myself using.

cheers,

Mike.

Quote - "......Ken......."

As i showed in my two renders, you can have the cute Ken the "guy." You can also have whatever level of world-weariness, warrior damage and aged faces you want.

I don't see the problem.

::::: Opera :::::

wow. really?  the morph you posted (and all others i've seen) looks very toony, imho, with lines much more unrealistically regular than version 3, though less so than his female equivalent.  there's absolutely terrible texture stretching underneath the eyes and on the nose.  since that's not a very wild morph, it doesn't say good things about the mapping. 

he looks better than some, but so far, to my eyes, not better than i've seen people do with David or Apollo.  and only a little less soft and regular than Apollo. i definitely not blown away.  and that high armpit cut makes me wonder why i'd bother.  the main body postwork i have to do on David is his shoulders.  M4's still need about as much work. 

phantom, are you fishing for compliments ?

COME ONE, your rig is vastly superior to anything else out there !

So M4s shoulders are better than M3's ?
Woo---Hoo ! Isn't that GREAT !?

Takes me about an hour to make M3's shoulders look VASTLY better than M4's and that includes morph duplicating and ERC-rigging.

Leg front bend is OK, but leg side bend is horrible.
Proportions are soso (What's up with the Gorilla arms?), but definition is very weak.
He looks very puffy, just like Apollo.
And if you crank up the emacicated and skinny morphs, his joints get REALLY bad.

The face is as bad as V4Male.
Very "Apollo-ish" soft.
Just dieal the jaw down and the nose smaller and he looks like friggin' V4 !

Sorry, I prefer the manly-male (M2) or gaunt (M3) look.

M2 was standalone male-only, and M3 was derived from the UNIMESH, but M4 looks like a reworked V4 male.

But anyway, it's the weak definition and the bad rig that make him a nonstarter for me.

I mean, if I have to rework the joints anyway to get them to an acceptable level, where's the point in using a new figure ?

Well, I haven't tried any morphs yet. But still, I just like him. 

Quote - "This is a great rig."

No, it isn't.

I have to agree, based on the shoulders it's a disappointingly average rig.  That armpit cut is something they've had a long time to look into and find ways to do a better job than they have.  I expected the mesh to be the same but the shoulders are a serious let-down.  I don't see why it took them this long to do this small an amount of work.

this is so great. so many different world views. they are so beautiful in themselves. each soul creates his reality as it goes along. the key to eternal peace is knowing how right and beautiful and great that world view is for the soul that created it, and the pure detachment flowing from the Truth that each worldview has no bearing on the next. So peaceful to know it is unnecessary and inappropriate to need to be right.

Is a "Dev CR2" included in any version?  I don't see it:
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/new-michael-4/michael-4-pro?item=7880&cat=847&_m=d

rummage, rummage
http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=96995

Yeah it looks like not, but at least DavidGB picked up the ball and ran with it.  Why did DAZ miss that obvious requirement?

Quote - I'm going to get TC2 (the coupons are in my account) and try out MaskEdits 12 V4 skins on M4.

By the way you may want to make sure you actually need a texture converter to transfer V4 textures; I am fairly certain the UVmap is exactly the same.  The main application would be transferring M3/D3/H3 textures.