I heard rumours that E-On has promised another point release soon with new features. Has anyone heard what some of these new features will be?

Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_7_complete/index.php?page=19&BaseProduct=Vue%207%20Complete&onlydiff=1&CompareWith8=1&CompareWith17=1

Multi-processor panoramic rendering OlalaHeHeHe... :woot:
Paint material distributions at the surface of terrains that is an big boomer too!

Mazak

Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/about/newsletter/

Mazak

...and if you follow the links from the newsletter, to find out what these new 'T-packs' are ( I think mainly pioneer with some additional content) you get to the entertaining sentence:
"Vue 7 Fantasy is provided "as is", without any technical support. If you need help, please visit the Cornucopia3D forums for assistance from other users."
I can understand if they dont want to teach every one how to use it, but what about bugs? no support for that either? Maybe there are never any bugs...
Well, I think it's really funny.

That is really funny, everyone know the real experts are at Renderosity :biggrin: :lol:

Mazak

Instead of clarifiying their strategy (or better, fixing it), they are pumping out new versions, packs and configurations. All this mess looks like a reaction against Terragen2 (likely to be available in the very near future) and Carrara 7.

Every day, I regret more the stupid decision I took at the beginning of January... well, as the saying goes, fool me once its your fault, fool me twice its mine.

P.S.: what is the tag for an emoticon showing a digusted face?

 No surprise-- I like the idea of T-packs. They make it easier for someone to get started creating scenes. I'm particularly fond of the Sci-Fi one-- though I didn't work on it (kinda wish I did!). And nope, they're not directed at folks who visit here regularly, as they will be marketed to different channels than xStream,Infinite and Complete. As new product offerings, they of course are mentioned (featured) in e-on's newsletter.

I just started working with a friend of mine who just got Complete. While he knows quite a bit about 3D, it's clear Complete has it's learning curve and challenges for newbies. It's also clear to me how much I take for granted the Vue interface. Nice to see the program from a fresh perspective. My friend's enthusiasm and overall happiness with Vue is refreshing.

Ooo I can see those T packs taking off big time.  I wonder if they'll just make the content available as well as a pack.  I'd certainly look at getting it if they did

Refreshing...lol

Now that is a good one.

It is exactly the opposite and is lame, boring, and stale. 

Hold on, let me find my Mover 4 serial number. 

This repackaging scam is complete bologna. IMO

The bugs in vue are always the same!

These dummied down stripped crippled versions of vue are a joke.

How far is e-on going to go with this.  They will lose all their customers save for Chipp and the newbies who don't know any better.

Nobody is forcing you to buy or use Vue, if you dislike it that much then why not just sell it off and move on - get Bryce or Cararra or whatever else makes you happy

CobraEye,

I typically ignore chronic haters like you, but since you mention my name, I thought I'd search through your posts to hopefully find any positive or helpful comments and see if you had provided value to this community in the past. 

Of course, there is nothing but the standard spit and venom of your namesake. One only needs look back this last month or so to find the answer:

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"If you can't see this then there is none as blind as he who won't see."

and

"People have been complaining about the grain, noise, and flicker of vue for e-ons! There is no hope."

and

"Between the Upgrade Problems & the Pricing Problems, I start to wonder how many people work at e-on... ?"

and 

"It's more like what limits am I not talking about.  There are too many to list.  I feel that vue is old software doing it the old software way."

and

"The people at e-on are nuts for all these crippled versions of vue.  What waste of time. I think the entire price of this upgrade is wrong. But let's face it...  Vue has really reached it's limits and it's time is short."

and

"VUE HAS FAILED ME MANY TIMES."

It's an interesting read to read through your posts of the last 90 days. Not one positive comment.

It's certainly not necessary to be a Vue fan to participate in this forum. For example, ArtPearl has on occasion disagreed with e-on's positions in a positive and productive way in the past, which has brought about clarity to many of us here.  (I am a fan of her art and her helpful attitude, while speaking her mind.)

That said, it's clear you are a troll, only looking to talk down e-on and Vue. Please go away.

Can we discuss the new features now, and stop fight? :blink:

I collect the new 7.4 feature list. Very interesting stuff... 

***Paint material distributions at the surface of terrains.

Import, view and edit distribution maps in the Terrain Editor.

Terrain effects optionally affect material distribution map.

Multi-processor procedural terrain construction

Hide objects from render and disable lights by clicking their icon in World Browser

Multi-processor panoramic rendering

Sky preview with clouds

Realistic MetaCloud preview

Dynamic plant display optimization

Support for Sketchup 7 (Win 32 only)

Multi-processor EcoSystem population*
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Mazak

CobraEye
I love Vue, I am not a "nwbie" I sure dont' work for E-On, I dont' work at all (sort of, I look after my disabled mum and am disabled myself)
I do lots of tutorials. Sitll wana call me a "noob"? :p

Latest pic with Vue:

So quit trolling!
If you've had problems, change your hardware as tha tmabe the issue!
Otherwise, bad workman blames his tools

Chipp,
Thanks for the nice words both about my forum posts and my art - cheered up my morning:)
(Personally I would define myself as a fan of vue but a skeptic about the wisdom of e-on management's policies and attitudes).
However can I express a bit of dismay about you (and silverblade) trying to get Cobraeye to stop posting - in a world of turmoil and uncertainty Cobraeye provides the security and comfort of a predictable aspect of the future. No matter what else happens , he will serve a nourishing salad of negative remarks, topped with a dressing of venum of the day:)
Dont drive him away please...
Silverblade - If people use hardware which is consistant  with e-on's  specifications, and things still go wrong, surely its not their 'bad workmanship' ? Or are you saying the specifications arnt realistic?

Back to the new features -
-I really like all the material distribution stuff. (I'm too lazy to use additional software to achieve that)
-I like the cloud preview stuff. (I spend sooo much time rendering /adjusting/ rerendering...)
-What do they mean by  "dynamic plant display" ? the ability to see something at all before actually doing a render?
-Arnt you already able to hide objects by clicking in the world browser?
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Have look at this link for an idea of what an upgrade should look like.

Check also the price tag (which is EXACTLY what you pay for 7Infinite).

Check the features list (and compare it with 7 Infinite one).

Bye...

P.S.: now you all will understand why I have always been so despised in the workplace: nothing makes you more unpopular than being right or, even worse, successfully predicting future disasters.

Oh please, e-on has lost the most amount of customers with this version.  Vue 7 upgrade price was way to high and its new feature list too short.

I wouldn't call you a noob.  Fanboy fits much better for you. 

I'm just keeping it real.  There are many others who feel the same as me.

E-on has lost the real vision and is buggy *gimmicky software.

Can you imagine vue even handling open gl3...

I have seen quite a bit of venom being spit towards E-On, from this forum and even more so, from the E-On one.
I can understand that some people have a lot of trouble getting Vue to work properly with their setup, but as far as I am concerned, things are definitely getting better.

E-On is improving its product, adding new functions, though they stubbornly ignore some user demands (such as making a plant creator, not just an editor).
After making several bug reports, I had e-mail exchanges with their teams and saw the bugs I reported being corrected.
All in all, Vue covers my needs (3d illustration), and does it better and better.
So, even though the price tag is getting higher, I will stick with it.

Besides, I never got used to Terragen and can't stand Carrara. I still have Bryce, but have not used it for ages.

The people here complaining about Vue remind me of former colleagues that were moaning about the company we worked for, day after day, week after week, but spent months before finally leaving. My colleagues did not have much choice. It's not that easy to find a new job in the branch I work in.

It would be far easier to choose not to use a program like Vue. And if you hate it so much, why not do so?

Quote - It would be far easier to choose not to use a program like Vue. And if you hate it so much, why not do so?

Because you can't whine about software you don't use at a guess

It is not a question of venom: it is just that E-On, in order to pursue utterly delusional (in the psychiatric sense) dreams of "professional applications" is thouroughly pissing its current user base.

You will not hear me whining about Silo 2 because I have simply stopped using it (being really happy with Hexagon): when people complain about something, it is because this "something" is important  to them and they are upset when seeing the firm building this "something" torpedoing the product.

Let's examine the effects of the recent price hikes and product positioning:

1. Infinite/xStream is now exaclty in the same price range of real professional products, without having their functionalities making people wonder: well, if it costs like Modo 401, why should I not get Modo instead?
2. made product like Carrara competitive, providing business to DAZ (on DAZ forums there were several threads about Vue, now, lots of people are looking into Carrara and apparently no Bryce user is considering defecting to Vue, even after DAZ mistreatment of Bryce);
3. allow Planetside (the developers or Terragen) to raise their prices, increasing THEIR income and THEIR resources for further TG development.
4. put Infinite out of the price range of hobby users (and perhaps also Complete); in addition, made the module-by-module upgrade strategy anti-economical. The creation of lots of stupid packagings of the low end range is nothing more than a miserable marketing ploy.

Is anybody here fanboy enough to assert that the above mentioned consequences are good for the future of Vue and E-On?

Bye...

It's most easy to rip your above arguments to threads, one by one. For instance, let's take number 1:

Quote - Infinite/xStream is now exaclty in the same price range of real professional products, without having their functionalities making people wonder: well, if it costs like Modo 401, why should I not get Modo instead?

It's clearly because Modo and Infinite/xStream are two completely different programs with different features. Modo is mostly a modeler with rendering only lately added. It is not focussed on landscapes. Your comment makes as much sense as "Why do I need Microsoft Word when I already have Photoshop?"

Quote - Is anybody here fanboy enough to assert that the above mentioned consequences are good for the future of Vue and E-On?

Without having e-on's balance sheet (private company, private balance sheet) in front of me, I cannot assert one way or another. How do you know they are not actually doing better than ever? The fact is, you don't-- you're just making a very stupid and ill-informed comment. I'm sure there are plenty of informed folks at e-on who have carefully thought through these issues and are doing their best to add value to their product line and their company.

So sorry you've come out of your self-imposed exile-- perhaps there's hope of another one? Please keep us informed.

Vue is not Modo, Vue is a landscape generation tool not a modeller so you can't compare the two.  You might as well say why doesn't Vue have the same features as 3DS Max or Maya.  That's not what it does.  ILM seem pretty happy with it.

Likewise Vue is not aimed at the same market as Cararra - that's more of an all round app with some modelling tools and supposedly a pretty good render engine (I've never used it so I can't say)

TG2 is very nice (I have a license for it) but they need to sort out the render engine because it's still glacial compared to Vue and it also doesn't support ecosystems.

Infinite is most definitely not out of the range of the hobby user because I am one.

If you want me to take what you say seriously then please drop the "Fanboy" - name calling isn't going to help your cause in the slightest

ArtPearl,
sorry, I just have a low tolerance ratio for bullshit and whingers  :tongue2:, ya know? :biggrin:
I'm Scots, the Celt in us makes us passionate about everything we care for, hehe.
No worries though, enough crap in RL to deal with for any of us.

Anyway, from what I've seen, Vue does have some problems with hardware, mostly with MACs. But it's also to do with folk's expectations of what Vue can do vs what their system is capable of.

Ecosystems, Poser folk etc can all eat up huge amounts of RAM, really Vue needs a 64 bit system and as much RAM as you cna throw at it. WHen you do that, with well built system, it's hugely better :)
My tips on effciency with Poser folk can help a ton, and folk before me showed ways to use compositing to get around that long before 64 bit systems were out!
Oh cna't find it now, was it Phillpe Bouyer who did a fantastic tutorial on compositing 40 poser folk into a scene, many years ago, in Vue for a fantasy scene with dragons etc? Really damned impressive

Vue7 is a lot better than prior versions for stability etc.

I agree that Vue is too expensive and too damn messy with al the different versions, ick!
IMHO, Vue should be 3 versiosn only: Esprit ($100), Infinite ($300-400) and Xstream ($500-600)
they'd get much more sales, larger user base is crucial.

However, if you go to about ANY other app's forums, you'll hear folk there bitchig and whining too, sometime sa hell of a lot worse and with more good reasons than with Vue.
"Grass is always greener on the other side of the hill...for someone who hasn't bothered to go look!"

Cobra Eye,

I've been doing this kind of thing since Bryce 4. Please note my gallery and tutorials and freebies.
Compare it to yours.
You have added nothing to the community, that I can see, you haven't added any art since April 2007. So you have a hell of a cheek calling me a "fanboy". I actually do stuff to help.
"Fanbois" sit around flapping their gums and do nothing  of use, fyi.
This is art, and the adult world, not the school playgorund for goodness sake, jeesh :/

Now, if you're frustrated and having problems, explain them, explain your system, maybe help can be found for your problems. I like helping folk, so do many folk here.
Alex may exasperate me at times, lol, but he does contribute, he does know WTH he is talking about in art, he has earned respect.

You maybe a great artist with work we haven't seen, but all you have shown is complaints without input, rather than show you know what you are talking about,  so you can't expect ot be taken with any seriousness.
Earn respect, then folk will listen to you.

There are fantastic artists in this site, and despite poverty, illness and/or suffering, they are creative, skilled and passionate. Wee bit of a life lesson, there, mate :)

Quote - (being really happy with Hexagon)

You are happy with Hexagon? Happy with a program that: - is slower to use than its Amapi 7 ancestor

• has lost features compared to it
• crashes more often than Vue and many times for small errors
• is no longer developped by its owner

Quote - 2) made product like Carrara competitive, providing business to DAZ (on DAZ forums there were several threads about Vue, now, lots of people are looking into Carrara and apparently no Bryce user is considering defecting to Vue, even after DAZ mistreatment of Bryce);

Bryce is a perfect example of a failure to develop a promising app. Its successive owners have mistreated and misused a considerable user base which has dwindled considerably over the years. Vue has gotten a good part of it (including myself and an number of other persons on this forum).
The remaining users are the hard core ones and from discussions with them on another forum, they are indeed considering Vue, despite the price tag. The free Pioneer edition and the PLE ones help them make their decisions.

When I purchased Bryce 2 in 1996, I paid close to €300 for it, about the price of Vue Pro Studio.

Getting back on topic...

"Paint material distributions at the surface of terrains"

Do you guys realize that this is finally an easy way to make rivers?

With the ability to paint distribution maps the terrain editor get new functionality, maybe a face lift!? :tt1:

Mazak

I'd do naughty things, lol, if they can add the ability to paint  or assign materials on a per polygon basis on models!!!
that is desperately needed if vue is to be "professional"

having it for terrians would rock, obviously :)

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Alex may exasperate me at times, lol, but he does contribute, he does know WTH he is talking about in art, he has earned respect.

Thanks a lot, I do not deserve such praise, apart from the exasperation remark (here there should be an evil looking emoticon...).

I have decided to resurrect my website to put online materials (not mats, another evil looking emoticon...). Forums are not an adequate place to conduct technical discussions, because they allow only for short posts and it is difficult to add images (absolutely necessary in our field of endavour), so articles (like you do on your site) are the only way to go.

Dear chippwalters, you REALLY brightend my day! After the recent events in the financial world, there is still somebody on this planet who believes that firms official finanancial information bear the slightest connect with reality....

Dear frankT, I am NOT EVEN REMOTELY trying to change things, so NOTHING can harm my non-existent cause!!!

Now, insert a maniacal, Joker-like laughter, while I vanish in the shadows of a Gotham City back alley... but beware... I'll be back...

Bye!!!

Quote - Dear chippwalters, you REALLY brightend my day! After the recent events in the financial world, there is still somebody on this planet who believes that firms official finanancial information bear the slightest connect with reality....

e-on is a private company and has no public 'official financial information.' Hopefully this doesn't 'un-brightend' your day.

Alex
no worries bud ;)
heck, on political discussions elsewhere, folk of the "opposite" side who ain't nutbars or sociopaths, make much of the enjoyment, ya know? :)