I cant imagine that a item with this name got into the freebee's
HOW TASTLESS of the person who named it and of Renderosity to accept it.

Dont you guys think this might be a smack in the face of many many user in Europe and other places ..who have lost family in this or any Concentration DEATH camp of the NAZI'S

I already had mentioned this to the Renderosity Staf but they didnot take action

I think its distastefull ...

Chris

Actually, action was taken.  The item was taken under review by the staff, and, we feel that history is not something that should be swept under the rug, and that it would be dishonest to do so.  The building in freestuff is a building, and no more.  It happens to resemble what is now the Auschwitz Holocaust Museum.  It is not a depiction of the horrors that went on there, but it is a reminder.  Could it have been named something else?  Probably, but, it is what it is.

Please note that our staff comprises of people from all over the world, all walks of life, faiths, genders, races, etc.  It took a while to come to the decision we did, and it wasn't unanimous, but it WAS fair. 

Remember, when you report something to the staff, we do take everything under consideration.  The outcome may not be to your liking, but we do take action.

Its so simple to change it to War prison camp orso
and the use can be the same without having to put the name into peoples face...
Its still tasteless to use that name .. if its a museum today or not..
the name stands for 1000's of murdered people by the nazi's.
And you dont mind that , well thats your choice...

but its your site ..it shows were you guys stand ...

Chris

It is so strange that there are people out there that still hang to these kind of things. YES!! Don't forget the past - BUT look forward - It IS not the time to wallowing anymore - These things actually happens around the world if you follow the news, it appears all over the world, as it has never stopped. They just use another words for it but it is still the same.

It is great the Staff looks into these things, one thing to consider might be there are still people around that remember those horrible days, believe it or not. And I guess Bar-Code was upsetting of these situations.

It is not necessarry to wallowing in that topic anymore.

Sorry but my humble opinion.
(And for the record - when warned about those things wherever you are .... then just don't go there?)

You're right.  It does, Chris.  If you feel the name should be changed, you are free to contact the creator, in a polite manner, and inquire as to why they named it as such.  You'll probably get "Because it is a model of Auschwitz". 

I don't understand why being honest about remembering the World's history is a bad thing.  We would be hypocrites to ask that the name of a building, which is now a Memorial Museum, be changed simply because it causes some people discomfort.  

In my personal opinion, the name should make everyone uncomfortable, but should never ever be forgotten or hidden away because of that.  Some unbelievably horrible things went on inside those walls, but, in the end, it is just a building.  The building did nothing but stand, and should stand as a memorial to those who survived, those who fought, and those who died. 

Yeah maybe your right ..lets not keep going on about  this old "name"..

Lets see when a :
guantanamo bay set, incl a US gov. waterboarding set come online...
I wonder if that is just as aceptable for the freebees section ...

Chris

If it's done in a disrespectful manner, then we will take that into consideration.  But, if it's done in an honest, straightforward manner, then, most likely it will be allowed.  This model does not contain items of torture or anything other than just buildings.  So, your comparison is a little unfair.

This model does not contain items of torture or anything other than just buildings.  So, your comparison is a little unfair.

Unfair ..
well i dont know the gassing of people was done in buildings in the camp
So a building can have the same impact as a torture device ...

But i think its distastefull and a bad idea to keep it like this in the freebee's and Renderosity thinks its ok ..

Its your site ...

Chris

Maybe we should also ban all historixcal reference in all books, museums and schools?  And while we are at it...ban all references to the torture and crucifixion of Jesus or the killing that took place on 911 or anything else we find unpleasant.
It is by remembering that we teach our future generations its wrong to do these things.

I agree it is dishonest to sweep it under the rug.

I agree with JenX, although I think a better name could have been chosen. Actually, I have more problem with the name than with the thing itself. There's no shame in historical references, but it's the acts that are to be condemned, not the objects present during their atrocities. You can make a Nazi or SS uniform, or a model of a military camp or any number of objects associated with the time period. How they are presented though, is the thing. If I were you, I'd be more worried about how people use/present them than the model itself.

Laurie

For some years now there have been a set of Nazi uniforms for Dork available (I forgot who made them or where you get them)

I'm sure most people will condemn without favour what the Nazi's did all those years ago and quite rightly so.
That said I for one would welcome many more models of thar era, there are plenty of uniforms, vehicles etc. for the Allies side but virtually nil for the German army, navy etc.
I would like to have the black SS uniform for example, that doesn't make me a sympathiser, it just makes me want to do a historically accuarte image!
We should also remember the old addage: *To forget history is to repeat the same mistakes!

I don't see it in freestuff anyway, has it been taken away?

Here it is fixer:

http://www.sharecg.com/v/35288/Poser/Auschwitz-for-Poser,-scene-and-props

its listed a couple of pages over in "whats new" in rendo freestuff too.

Thanks, couldn't see it in Rendo's freestuff, must have missed it.

"history is not something that should be swept under the rug"  well said Jen :)

For many of the peoples of this earth they either refuse to forget there past (like the Middle East) or refuse to remember what there own grandparents (ect...) did. (like Europe).

And this is the strength of the United States. We do (sometimes eventually) put it all out for examination. We gain strength from our honesty and lessons to guide us into a greater future then is possible elsewhere.  Eventually everything comes out.

(and btw- it seems that almost ALL there is in aircraft are ww2 german planes in 3d models.)

Quote - ...(and btw- it seems that almost ALL there is in aircraft are ww2 german planes in 3d models.)

Don't forget all the Panzer tanks too. I see them all the time. Like Content Paradise just last night ;o). I believe there's a uniform for Mike too there that looks a lot like a German WW2 soldier as well.

Laurie

nice to see this going into a other direction i was pointing at ,,
I have nothing against the freebee is have something against the name...
It had just as easy be named "WW2 prison camp" .. that covered the load of the item
Its ok to have WW2 soldiers etc etc .. i never said i was against them..

I just think and that has nothing to do with anything brought into this after by others, that the naming is distastefull and has no extra value then being just distastefull.

BC

IMVHO nobody should ever forget about auschwitz and the other nazi camps.  the next step after trying to convince people to forget: trying to deny they existed.

Is it distasteful? Only in the way Auschwitz itself is distasteful. As for creating a set, well, distastefulness would come in what use the artist made of the set, really. What kind of statement they were making. But I certainly think artists should be free to deal with the subject. I myself have pondered for a long time the making of an image of a lone concentration camp inhabitant. But my modeling skills aren't up to the challenge yet. I certainly would be very angry to have anyone try to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to create the art I wanted to create because the subject matter was distasteful. Some of the most powerful art in the world IS distasteful. As artists, we hold a mirror to the world and show it things it otherwise might not look at. And sometimes those things are distasteful. But art, by my definition, is that which elicits a reaction and thought in the viewer. Sometimes a kiss isn't enough. Somethimes you gotta slap em in the face.

Very well said bonestructure!

Yes- No one could say it better bonestructure :) bows--

Attached Link: Chimneys.

As a person with relatives that ended up in the camps, I believe, Chris, that you are taking the viewpoint to the extreme.

"I think its distastefull ...

Chris" (BAR-CODE above quote)

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1900471

BAR-CODE:  HELLO .... This site has 'tastes' for ALL types of peeps .... As witnessed in the above link I just visited here ....

And, if you ever wanna' find some TRULY distasteful works, check out MY pitiful gallery .... WINK ....

In fact, not too long ago, I wrote a piece called "T&A" .... It got the MOST views BY FAR of ANY work I've ever done here .... And, it was only a WRITTEN piece .... GRINS ....

To EACH his/her own in my HUMBLE view .... If everyone feels as strongly about the above item, I'm sure it won't be often seen? ....

On the other hand, peeps have been known to buy articles from serial killers and child molesters and it's called ART ....

What puzzles, amuses me on some level, and makes this DUMB  old man scratch his head often, is just WHICH things are allowed and NOT allowed at this WONDERFUL site ....

But, then again, as the old saying goes, "Beauty IS in the EYE of the BEHOLDER" .... WINK.

My BEST to you and yours ..... TallPockets.

Quote - history is not something that should be swept under the rug, and that it would be dishonest to do so.  The building in freestuff is a building, and no more.

I agree with that too.  

History is filled with tragedy of all kinds.  There is nothing we can do about what happened, but we can use it as a reminder so that it doesn't happen again.

Let's not have Indian costumes here at ROS... After all, how many American Natives got slaughtered?  Let's not have tanks and guns and (gasp) the model of the White House or the Presidents!  We just KNOW how many bad decisions came from that place, after all!
Anyway, it's not like we Germans COULD forget the past even if we tried, because someone will always come and try to run the bloody guilt trip.
The model is fine, leave it right the way it is!

IMVHO the germans don't deserve to be hounded for what happened 60 yrs ago.  the current generation should bear no blame or guilt for what happened.  but we try not to forget because it keeps happpening everywhere else: russia, china, rwanda, congo, myanmar, sri lanka, sudan, north korea et al.

People aren't responsible for what their parents or grandparents did. I'm native american. I know a lot of my people want this and want that and want to still blame people for shit that happened 100 years ago. I say shut the hell up about it and move on with your life. Yeah, our land was stolen, our way of life destroyed. But no one alive now had anything to do with it. Unless you can invent a time machine, let it go. No one's ever done anything to me. Well, except for a damn crokked computer store owner who I really would like to punish. Though not fatally. I don't want my land back, I don't want reparations, I don't want 40 acres and a mule, I don't want to harass white people, I have no motivation for any of that. Because no one who did anything is still alive.

I realize a few of the nazis from that era of germany are still alive. So blame them. Don't blame an entire country. I've been to Germany, it's a beautiful country with truly lovely and hospitable people. I've also had several friends over the years who were concentration camp survivors. They didn't blame the entire country, so why the hell should anyone else?

I'm so tired of senseless crap like this. The world is insane. I don't understand why, at this point in civilization, people still hurt and kill each other. But I certainly won't contribute to the insanity by throwing guilt around for something that didn't even affect me personally.

Though, you REALLY don't want to ask me how I feel about doctors lol.

@ bonestructure...Well said!

"It had just as easy be named "WW2 prison camp"
but it's not a WW2 prison camp it's a model of the kitchen barracks at Auschwitz just by the main gate. Why would you want to call it something it isn't?

aarrgh. let it lie! it was all settled and quiet...

Attached Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz

(OK, OK, it can't be helped when having to quote prewar literature which uses the name as another name for Oswiecim town which the camp was named after.)

I was in Germany while I was in the army and I took a tour of several "museums> devoted to the horrors of the Nazis. One item I will never forget was a lampshade made from human skin. Call me stupid, but to avoid any repetition of such atrocities, we should never "get over it".

~A~