Quote - Will WW analyze altered rigging? I assume it just trusts its support packs.

Unless Phil changed his way of doing things pretty significantly, Wardrobe Wizard applies its own rig for any clothing you convert with it.  This means any customizations to the rig you might have built will have to be redone.

Something I have always had fun experimenting with is the Poser Puthon Script in GeoMods - Randomize Morphs

Semiedieu's Randomizer (HeadBody) works very nicely on both P8 Alyson and P8Ryan.
You can also INJ their Head Morphs into the Casual versions of Alyson and Ryan.

Thanks for the morph lists, mariner!  That's a pretty impressive list there :)

Quote - Looks up... oops, I see you are on it....

:0)) - Before you ask
Yes, Ryan comes with a package.
Yes it has Morphs
Yes it has various textures to make the Body.

Whoa well if he does then I guess Alyson does ALSO...

Quote - Whoa well if he does then I guess Alyson does ALSO...

... Do you mean.... Hmhm ?

Previous Poser figures are highly respected for certain female parts

I was thinking maybe SM is keeping the dream alive.

Dependent Parameters are a lot of fun to use as well.
You can use a Body Part or Prop Motion to control another Figure's Body Parts or a prop.

The motion on the other figureprop doesn't have to be the same as the control.
I just did a quick one in which I used Andy's Left Hand Up & Down to control Alyson's Head Twisting Left and Right.
I could have add more motions as well.

I could also use DP to control multiple segments of a tail etc.
For instance bending segment 1 (control) using DP could also bend Segments 2 through 10.

Quote - > Quote - Yep, looks odd plus this improved interface takes much more space up than the old one.

You can set it up however you like. For example, here's it arranged to be like the Poser 7 UI: tools, lights and camera on the background shell, document and paramters floating and the library docked to the right.

Ja, weiß ich doch alles :-) Ich benutze auch nicht das default PoserPro UI sondern ich hab es so angepaßt, wie es mir am besten gefällt. Hier beim P8 UI stören mich z.B. die Rahmen um die schwebenden Elemente. Das sind jetzt alles quadratische oder rechteckige Blöcke im Gegensatz zu den Elementen des alten Interface und wenn die zusammen gesteckt sind, bilden die einen großen Block - irgendwie sieht das nicht mehr so leicht und transparent aus wie im alten UI. Ich denke, das ist so der Hauptgrund, warum mir das einfach nicht richtig gefällt.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Yep, looks odd plus this improved interface takes much more space up than the old one.

You can set it up however you like. For example, here's it arranged to be like the Poser 7 UI: tools, lights and camera on the background shell, document and paramters floating and the library docked to the right.

Ja, weiß ich doch alles :-) Ich benutze auch nicht das default PoserPro UI sondern ich hab es so angepaßt, wie es mir am besten gefällt. Hier beim P8 UI stören mich z.B. die Rahmen um die schwebenden Elemente. Das sind jetzt alles quadratische oder rechteckige Blöcke im Gegensatz zu den Elementen des alten Interface und wenn die zusammen gesteckt sind, bilden die einen großen Block - irgendwie sieht das nicht mehr so leicht und transparent aus wie im alten UI. Ich denke, das ist so der Hauptgrund, warum mir das einfach nicht richtig gefällt.

See, I'm the opposite. I got so sick of the "leicht und transparent" of the old interface that I can't wait to get my hands on the new one. I wouldn't mind if the extra rectangular border were only applied to docked elements and the floating ones left as they are in the current UI. But I'd probably end up docking everything anyway, so I don't really care much either way.

I just have one question...

With the new GI does it make everything look nice in PREVIEW? 

My problem is custom morphing.  Fake GI doesn't illuminate the preview enough, and classic lighting causes too many wrong preview shadings to morph accurately.  Will I be a happy camper?  Should I hold off any morphing projects until I can have this new feature?  Thanks.

Attached Link: Poser 7 UI with expanded library - 2560x1600 monitor

Good advice! - I like to have a big library open when I'm using it, then I collapse it to make way for other panels.

      I'll do set up using one UI dot which gives me a 1280x800 preview window and generous room for panels.  If rendering an animation, I'll stay in this UI dot mode.
      If making a wallpaper, I'll set up using this same UI dot, then switch to another UI dot which has a 2560x1600 pixel preview window for rendering.  The pair of UI dots are consistent in  preview window aspect ratio so that camera views will be consistent.
     I have similar setup/render pairs of UI dots for NTSC aspect ratio and for square aspect ratio (for making avatars and library thumbnails).
In any case, I love a big monitor with lots of room to work.

Besides the quality of the renders and how fast they are Dependant Parameters is a totally awesome tool I've had fun playing with. As Mariner said much can be done with them.

For instance, now you can control the sway of a sword and scabbord by hip or leg movements; regardless of what body part it's parented to. And the amount of movement is controllable too!

woot!

Oh no .. not that sword again!  I thought we were changing to NVIABWAB's?

Attached Link: tiled & procedural materials - comparsion of previews

I have a different preview wish:  I would like to see materials tiled in preview, so that I can see the effects of changes in Uscale/Vscale in real time.  If not in Poser 8, then perhaps for Poser 9.
     I believe this is an OpenGL issue. (?)

      My 32bit Poser 7 machines with hot-rod gamer video cards preview a tiled material as if one single copy of the image were spread over the entire surface, but Galadriel (64bit, Vista, Poser Pro) has an nVidia Quadro video card, and she previews tiling correctly, plus she previews procedural textures so that I can see the scale of the turbulence pattern. 
(see linked side-by-side screenshot composite)

Quote - Oh no .. not that sword again!  I thought we were changing to NVIABWAB's?

lol!
It's very tempting.

Has any of you beta testing types looked at the file formats at all? Are there any interesting changes in there besides support for the new rigging features? For example, the ability to create morph channels from a pose file would be very nice. Also, are dependent parameters just traditional ERCs exposed to the UI, or has the ERC system be extended in useful ways?

In case people are skipping to the end of this,  here's the link http://my.smithmicro.com/win/poser8/

Quote - In case people are skipping to the end of this,  here's the link http://my.smithmicro.com/win/poser8/

They got it live already?  One of the reasons why I need to go to bed.

Thanks Shonner.

Is it actually available now?  I tried the "30-day free trial" link, and, like someone who should be in frakking bed, I followed through to the end, enabling Sm to charge my paypal in 30 days...and I got a download for Poser 7.  I have Poser 7.  I <3 it.  I wanted to force myself to stay up all night playing with a new version of Poser. 

Quote - Is it actually available now?  I tried the "30-day free trial" link, and, like someone who should be in frakking bed, I followed through to the end, enabling Sm to charge my paypal in 30 days...and I got a download for Poser 7.  I have Poser 7.  I <3 it.  I wanted to force myself to stay up all night playing with a new version of Poser. 

I noticed it too.  Considering that the price is the same as version 7.  Would've seen and received more info on P8 whether it'd be in a later time then grant us the go-ahead.  IMO, it seemed all too soon, but I guess with all the fanfare here in the forums and elsewhare, SM's giving us the tease, I think.

BTW, with regards to the 30 day trial, I too ran to it thinking it would be version 8, I already got 7... I'm like WTF -- yeah, a classic 'gotcha' :tt2:...

Almost got me. The credit card now has whiplash.

Nolos.

Last time I looked, both the free trial and upgrade link pointed to P7 downloads. But the "Buy Now" link for the non-upgrade seemed to go to the genuine thing.

I guess I'm going to wait a few more days until they've sorted it out. It could be the real thing, and the website didn't update correctly, or it could be a leaked page that wasn't supposed to go life yet.

The Poser 8 URL http://my.smithmicro.com/win/poser8/ has been listed in 3D World for a few weeks now.  You guys/gals may want to wait and see if a Pro version will also be announced.

Quote - The Poser 8 URL http://my.smithmicro.com/win/poser8/ has been listed in 3D World for a few weeks now.

So?

I'm just saying that the site is not brand new.  So it may have new info added to it as SIGGRAPH approaches.

I swear it reads poser V4 or higher up grade LOL

i will get poser 8 when i get a chance
can't get poser5 to run on new PC vista 64 Geforce 9500
driver probleams
Any body running Poser 8 on PC vista 64 Geforce 9500 ?
how does it run ?

will some body post some renders of poses ?
mainly curious about how well shoulders and hips bend.

Sloppy, clumsy and irritating. 

Quote - Sloppy, clumsy and irritating. 

As a web developer, I kind of sympathize with whoever made that mistake. It was probably meant to go to an internal staging server for testing, and someone typed in the wrong command. As a customer, however, I am extremely annoyed.

Quote - I just have one question...

With the new GI does it make everything look nice in PREVIEW?

No

I don't know firsthand, but that doesn't seem remotely possible.

Quote - can't get poser5 to run on new PC vista 64 Geforce 9500
driver probleams

Driver problems?  Like video errors?

Quote - > Quote - can't get poser5 to run on new PC vista 64 Geforce 9500

driver probleams

Driver problems?  Like video errors?

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3485242&ebot_calc_page

Ok.  That's Vista's normal reaction when UAC is enabled while installing XP applications.  I thought it was something unfixable that was preventing Poser 5 from running.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2777399

I 'm running Poser 8  with Windows XP Pro x64 bit,  and a GeForcce 9800 GTX card..

maybe it was already answered:

Normal mapping. does it work with alt_diffuse,alt_specular,reflections? did they fix this? 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - can't get poser5 to run on new PC vista 64 Geforce 9500

driver probleams

Driver problems?  Like video errors?

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3485242&ebot_calc_page

Helps allot if you simply turn off UAC.  It's a royal pain in the ass to have enabled. 

Control Panel:User Accounts: little link there to turn on or turn off "User Account Controls"  Reboot and you should be fine. 

Quote - I think this is an unasked question.

Has it been tested with Vue yet?  Or will Vue need to be updated to work with Poser 8?  If so, does anybody know if SM is working with E-On?

Well Vue 8 was just announced. To be previewed at Siggraph also so lets hope someone tries it!

PhilC's newsletter provided this link today:

http://poser8.smithmicro.com/index.html

A way to find out way your App is erroring and what is causeing it ,, In my case it was Poser pro 7 , it was crashing  after openning , moveing the camera , witch tech suport at smith mac  told me that it was the vid driver was the culpret of the problems , but i had whent to vid card maker siet and updated my driver. and it  still  didn't help the problem, so we where stump , so i thought  the tech must  be right , i am doing something wrong , if i only could see a  recoded history of what  iteractions of the app and the cause of the problem  i could then get it to the tech,,, and he would know what the problem was,
In Vista 64 you can do this it is called  EVENT VIEWER
After showing this to the tech he said it defently was my video card driver that was causing the problem , so what did i do wrong, well when  installed  the new driver you have to uninstall the old one because it will not  over write the old driver,  thats what i did not do, i ask the Tech if i uninstall would my screen go black , he said it shuoldn't but go to the vid manufacture and ask them to be  on th safe  side, i found the instrutions on how to uninstall , and renistall and when you unistall you will still have moniter use,  so  being confident, followed the unistalled instrcutions, and when the computer restarted up so i could now install the new driver the graghics where smashed up at the top of my sceen in a inch strip , my word at that moment well, somthing about my pants being filled with poo, that im scrowed, but upluging the computer two, or three time it finlly cam up with the screen,where i could see it , 
It will look like it does in safe mode , just go install new driver , 

Yep Fix the problem   Thank you Smith Mac tech support you rock , im soory for being a paine  
 
 

Quote - Has it been tested with Vue yet?  Or will Vue need to be updated to work with Poser 8?  If so, does anybody know if SM is working with E-On?

On http://my.smithmicro.com/win/poser8/ SM sounds excited that Poser 8 will export to other 3D apps.  But they don't mention which ones yet.  The Pro version may have better exporting.

Quote - ...or it could be a leaked page that wasn't supposed to go life yet.

This is accurate - the link posted above is to a beta page that was incorrectly staged as a live page. Our web team has been notified and will be rerouting the link.

My apologies.

Quote - > Quote - ...or it could be a leaked page that wasn't supposed to go life yet.

This is accurate - the link posted above is to a beta page that was incorrectly staged as a live page. Our web team has been notified and will be rerouting the link.

My apologies.

I should also have added a sincere thank you for all your enthusiasm, and confirm that Poser 8 is not yet for sale.

Cheers,

Steve Cooper

Thanks for clarifying that, Steve!

Be that as it may, we still want it NOW :)

With all the Poser 8 content.
Are there any low polycount meshes for real time anamtions ?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - ...or it could be a leaked page that wasn't supposed to go life yet.

This is accurate - the link posted above is to a beta page that was incorrectly staged as a live page. Our web team has been notified and will be rerouting the link.

My apologies.

I should also have added a sincere thank you for all your enthusiasm, and confirm that Poser 8 is not yet for sale.

Cheers,

Steve Cooper

LOL, thanks Steve ;)  I guess I was a little eager when I saw that, and jumped on it.  I should have known better, nothing awesome happens to me at 3am, LOL.

http://poser8.smithmicro.com/features.html

http://poser8.smithmicro.com/features.html