I hearby vote for adding the PayPal donate button to the freebies page. I actually got one whole donation when I was a contributor at ShareCG!!

Quote - I hearby vote for adding the PayPal donate button to the freebies page. I actually got one whole donation when I was a contributor at ShareCG!!

That's what the HTML input is for ;)  Make your own button via paypal, and post it ;)  

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Plus, is it really that hard to click the flag when you still have to scroll down to get to the submit button?

No, not hard at all, I just don't think about it. And even if I did, I was under the impression once a thread has flags, which you know it does where it says *"*Multiple advisories" next to it on the main forum page, that's it, it doesn't need any more.
Well that's what I thought anyway. I had no idea every post with a bad word in it was supposed to be flagged, once the whole thread itself has been.

Quote - > Quote - I hearby vote for adding the PayPal donate button to the freebies page. I actually got one whole donation when I was a contributor at ShareCG!!

That's what the HTML input is for ;)  Make your own button via paypal, and post it ;)  

Doh! Thanks JenX I will as soon as I figure out how to write the html!

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I hearby vote for adding the PayPal donate button to the freebies page. I actually got one whole donation when I was a contributor at ShareCG!!

That's what the HTML input is for ;)  Make your own button via paypal, and post it ;)  

Doh! Thanks JenX I will as soon as I figure out how to write the html!

Paypal actually gives you the HTML, complete with button ;)

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Plus, is it really that hard to click the flag when you still have to scroll down to get to the submit button?

No, not hard at all, I just don't think about it. And even if I did, I was under the impression once a thread has flags, which you know it does where it says *"*Multiple advisories" next to it on the main forum page, that's it, it doesn't need any more.
Well that's what I thought anyway. I had no idea every post with a bad word in it was supposed to be flagged, once the whole thread itself has been.

It's not so much for the post itself, it's for the ebot.  I know, sound ridiculous, but, when you get an ebot, it actually tells you whether or not the post has an advisory.

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It's not so much for the post itself, it's for the ebot.  I know, sound ridiculous, but, when you get an ebot, it actually tells you whether or not the post has an advisory.

I guess that's in preferences then?
All of the ebots I get say the same thing, aside from the explicit details of the particular thread and the URL, and I've never seen any kind of advisory in any of them.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I hearby vote for adding the PayPal donate button to the freebies page. I actually got one whole donation when I was a contributor at ShareCG!!

That's what the HTML input is for ;)  Make your own button via paypal, and post it ;)  

Doh! Thanks JenX I will as soon as I figure out how to write the html!

Paypal actually gives you the HTML, complete with button ;)

Yeah I just went there and got mine. Pasted it into notes on my first freebie and it doesn't seem to want to show up. is this because it's an older already here freebie and I'm not seeing the right field to edit?

to get back off topic ... that flag thing is a bit misleading anyway ... to me it should be ticked all the time, considering we all use a language here to communicate.
The last few posts in question would better fit the violence flag...if they were to go some ways further in dialog :)

anyway...I'm in the process of smoking some ribs ... going to lather them up in some Devil's Spit ... a couple ears of sweet corn ... diced up some peppers, sweet onions, jalapenos , and red potatoes ... and how about some watermelon for dessert . I'd have a beer or two also, but I'm on call for work, so that's out...

but , hey .. now youse guys can git on back to yor conversing on this rendo freestuff thingy. I'm going to enjoy the food :)

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How do you get them to fit into the pipe?

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How do you get them to fit into the pipe?

Real big pipe :)

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Real big pipe :)

Thanks for the idea - not. The bbq sauce has totally clogged my screen.

Sean, I don't wish to alarm you, but I'm a liar, and I'm going to anyway.

That is not a kitty.  That is Furby's Evil Twin Clone™.

Stay perfectly still.  Its vision is based on movement.

 Actually, the first thought that crossed my mind at that picture was...

'Yeah? If some stupid human put -you- in the dryer, you'd be perturbed, too. And the first fool that tries to pet me loses it....'

"Stay perfectly still. Its vision is based on movement." 

Thank you for dancing around to attract its attention while the rest of us sneak away.

Attached Link: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

I got an idea.  Maybe I'll just turn off the computer and go for a nice long walk outside ...

Best Wishes,
Rªnce

PS: a modified HOSTS file will do away with most ads in Internet Explorer.  There's no need to purchase or run additional anti-ad software.

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PS: a modified HOSTS file will do away with most ads in Internet Explorer.  There's no need to purchase or run additional anti-ad software.

Yeah, but Internet Explorer sucks, especially when you line it up against Firefox. Can the hosts file fix be turned on and off on the fly while running IE? Can it deliver me an icon showing me there's a Flash video and clicking on it will allow it, while not clicking will not play it?
And so on and so on...

Most of us using Firefox are doing so because it's a far superior browser. Most of the graphics people I know use either Firefox or Opera, mostly Firefox it seems, and most IE users I've shown Firefox to have never gone back to IE.

As for Renderosity driving people away, I doubt it. There have been at least two mass exoduses from here in the past decade and this current event is barely enough to inspire a trickle compared to the other things. 
People who say they won't get their free stuff from here or won't buy something just because it's from here are really only spiting themselves. The people who truly do that will be such a minority as to barely make any difference to Renderosity, and it will be they who end up doing without, not the site.

Quote - anyway...I'm in the process of smoking some ribs ... going to lather them up in some Devil's Spit ... a couple ears of sweet corn ... diced up some peppers, sweet onions, jalapenos , and red potatoes ... and how about some watermelon for dessert . I'd have a beer or two also, but I'm on call for work, so that's out.

Since you like Devil's Spit you would most likely appreciate:

Hot Sauce by George

George Burroughs
2319 Joanna Ave.
Zion, IL 60099
847-746-1608

It's a small batch hot sauce medium heat with great flavor that has never disappointed me in quality.

Traditional Ethiopian Berbere sauce is great on grilled food too, ton of recipes online to make it yourself.

The following statement is included only to facilitate the return of the thread somewhat to topic. It has absolutely no bearing or significance to the issue being in the same style of self-serving rationalization that justifies the excessive adverts that currently accompany the freebie downloads.

"I wonder if tomorrow will bring resolution to the issue or yet another fuster cluck?" (i.e. Spoonerism, intentional not typo)

 Shouldn't this reciepe have been posted to the Freestuff Forum...LOL...jus kiddin'.. ...

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As for Renderosity driving people away, I doubt it.

Well, let's find out

Could be cyclical, could be the economy, could be...?  Hard to tell without a larger timeline, but the drop is undeniable.

Question is, why screw with a good thing, especially when times are rough? We won't know for awhile, though - this much I can say.

"Most of us using Firefox are doing so because it's a far superior browser" 

Opera out of the box does what FF requires add-ons for. Not that means FF "sucks". or Opera is "superior." I use Opera 95% of the time, but I also use FF, IE, QTWeb and Safari. Each one has its pluses and minuses IMO YMMV.

If Rendo has nothing to fear from lost members, then logically, they would not make any changes to the new policy. The fact that changes are already under serious consideration suggests that they are at least somewhat concerned. Either that or they suspect that temporal pugnacity may reap negative karma points in the afterlife :-)

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Opera out of the box does what FF requires add-ons for. Not that means FF "sucks". or Opera is "superior." I use Opera 95% of the time, but I also use FF, IE, QTWeb and Safari. Each one has its pluses and minuses IMO YMMV.

Well it should be evident I was comparing FF to IE, not Opera. You're a web developer, aren't you? I thought I read that somewhere. All good web developers should be familiar with and use all popular browsers.

Yeah sure, they're probably concerned. That's not what I meant. What I meant was in the long run it's not gonna make any difference. People may run off in a huff, but they'll come back. You can go back through several years of archives here and see people through the years swearing up and down they'd never return... and then find their most recent post is from last week.

People want stuff. Renderosity supplies stuff. Want and Supply tend to go together and aren't easily separated from each other for very long.

Not to mention there will constantly be new members signing on who couldn't care less about anything that happened in the past.

By the way, none of this is to say I agree with what they've done, or support their decisions or anything like that. I just don't see it as a big deal.

That's not to say I have a problem with anyone who does see it as a big deal, just that we all look at things differently.

Renderosity has a lot of stuff... be it free or pay for. They have a lot of diversity and some of the best Poser product creators going. Its extremely difficult not to buy from here.
I've been shopping at all the Poser sites since they went to a marketplace format. DAZ has pretty much the same stuff over and over anymore. RDNA changed form a very edgy place overall, to a now cutesy place. Rendo has the greatest amount of choice overall , imo...although there are a lot of products that are being sold that maybe should be in the freestuff category.
Sorry some you vendors, but your stuff isn't ready for prime time yet.

so point being, if you leave here, its to your own detriment. I know I've come back quite a few times :)

So I guess another point is that whether or not the administrators change the freestuff back to something else, most of us will still be here.

I'll try the George's sauce . thanks for the tip :)

"Well it should be evident I was comparing FF to IE, not Opera." Point taken, I missed the qualifier.

You're a web developer, aren't you" Me, nah, old fashioned desktop client-server. The  whole script, markup, content melange gives me nausea, but I mess with it if necessary. As a FF fan, you're probably familiar with GreaseMonkey and the 'enhancements' available for various popular sites :-)

I agree that there is a large guaranteed audience and that defectors will return or be replaced. I imagine the same is true for Facebook or other sites that have had rebellions over new policies. In the more publicized cases at least, the sites usually seem to end up modifying the policy. Perhaps Whole Earth Foods would have lost no long term business by not hastening to distance themselves from their CEO's views on healthcare, but hasten they did. So either money is not the chief raison d'être  for 95% of thecorporate kleptocracy, or they see some long term pecuniary disadvantage in upsetting a, perhaps small, but vocal number of their customers. Maybe it's a Googlesque desire to 'not be evil.'  Wahtever, today's market leader can be tomorrow's AOL, so if nothing else, it probably pays not to give folks yet another excuse to jump ship when the next big thing shows up.

At any rate, I probably find the opportunity to engage in such vapid musings as much fun as free goodies so hopefully they won't start putting some hellspawn ad/click to see the next post here.

I think this new policy is pretty screwed up, but that is My Opinion!

I have only one freebie posted here out of my 50+ freebies on my site.  The only reason why posted here was to try to draw some traffic to my sit.
Selfish? YES!

Will I post anymore freebies here? NO!

I am now opening my freebies to non members only!

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I am now opening my freebies to non members only!

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I guess you meant opening your freebies on your site, so I removed my comment.
I thought you meant you would only allow freebies to non-Renderosity members.

>> " Opera out of the box does what FF requires add-ons for."

Eh, whatever, both of ya. NAVIGATOR RULES.

Now get off my lawn!

Thank you again for your suggestions. Based on your requests, we will be updating the file names to be more user friendly.  The file names going forward will be the contributor’s username, the title of the FreeStuff item and a number.

We will also be adding a download button under the FreeStuff thumbnails and adopting the industry standards to reduce the amount of clicks it takes to actually download the FreeStuff file. Specifically, this means that after clicking the download button, advertisements will be displayed and be followed by a window that asks whether you would like to save or open the file.

Another update coming soon is that the download button (which is currently on the bottom of the description page) will be moved up and displayed above the comments.

As previously mentioned Renderosity is hosting the files due to overwhelming requests from our members who want a more secure, reliable, and consistent browsing experience. Our members have been very frustrated at other sites for numerous reasons, and by hosting the files we provide the type of service our members have been requesting.

We have heard from several FreeStuff contributors that they use the FreeStuff are to drive traffic to their website. That type of activity can still be done in the notes section. Some contributors have even put the link to the file in the notes section which is fine, too.

Best Regards,
Jenifer Carey

thank you! I won that bet... (that offsite hosting would be denied.)

now, if you could do something about the treatment of your staff - telling them about this just  before, then leaving them to the wolves.....?

@ Kalbach: Amen! Poor JenX deserves far better than the treatment she endured over the weekend. A raise (or at least free cookies for life) is in order.

However, Jennifer, are we toning down the ads a bit? Or is there some vital reason to have nine of them thrown at you just to get one item? I mean, can you say overkill?

Thanks for the update, Jenifer :)

TBH, guys, this and the freestuff forum were the only forums hit with ANY complaints.  Y'all didn't even take it to the community center.  tsk tsk.

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TBH, guys, this and the freestuff forum were the only forums hit with ANY complaints.  Y'all didn't even take it to the community center.  tsk tsk.

Kinda makes sense. Isn't most of the free stuff for Poser anyway?
I was going to ask you why you weren't moving it to the CC (not the comfy chair) Forum, but figured you knew what you were doing. ;-)

Having said that, I'm disappointed Renderosity caved in so easily, I was looking forward to a more drawn-out controversy. ;-)

Quote - TBH, guys, this and the freestuff forum were the only forums hit with ANY complaints.  Y'all didn't even take it to the community center.  tsk tsk.

I think you're half joking, but that's a problem with forum moderation (you) and not especially with the posters.

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I think you're half joking, but that's a problem with forum moderation (you) and not especially with the posters.

Um, no, not my problem you guys can't figure out how to contact the site administration and would rather complain about everything in this secluded forum. 

community center? With Father Flannagan and basketball 'n stuff?

"after clicking the download button, advertisements will be displayed and be followed by a window that asks whether you would like to save or open the file." 

Hmmm, this could be done in a number of ways, some of which are not pretty but I will not be pessimistic. Click, click, click There's no place like home...

Okay, before this blows up yet again...

Jen, let's face it: the admins were watching this thread. They had to be. If they werent, then they'd have no one but themselves to condemn for being out of touch. Hell, Jennifer posting that message shows they knew what was being said.

So let's just quietly leave it at that. The admins here may make some bone-headed mistakes (like... well, all this nonsense), but I'm pretty certain they were aware of the forumites' response. Truly, they cant be that unaware.

Having said that, I'm more interested in know what, if any, resolution we can expect.

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now, if you could do something about the treatment of your staff - telling them about this just  before, then leaving them to the wolves.....?

I can second that (and third, fourth, fifth, sixth, etc...) 

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The reason is of course vital (to them) - a desire to charge more for the adverts (gets shown in more places, etc...) On my part? Time to remove that AdBlock exemption I had up for *.renderosity.com...

(That, and I'm agreeing with Sean again... you bastards!)

If you look at the number of posts to the Poser forum, it would be foolish to put a post such as this anywhere else. Exposure is key :)
Its too bad there weren't 50 or more pages of disgust already.

But it sounds like certain portions of the mess are going to be resolved, at least. the clickfest may be gone ...
the ads..I ignore them pretty much, but every now and then something catches your eye, and WHAM !!!!
you have ot check it out. That's what it's all about, right...in a store . That's why they put the chips up front ... and anything else to catch your eye. A proven marketing method. EXPOSURE . :)

Quote - The file names going forward will be the contributor’s username, the title of the FreeStuff item and a number.

Please remember to remove characters that are illegal in both Windows and Mac filenames.
Limiting filename characters to just plain ASCII would also be considered (no spaces would be appreciated).

Quote - > Quote - The file names going forward will be the contributor’s username, the title of the FreeStuff item and a number.

Please remember to remove characters that are illegal in both Windows and Mac filenames.
Limiting filename characters to just plain ASCII would also be considered (no spaces would be appreciated).

Aww but f I made a model of an æbleskive.. shouldn't I be able to call it that? My windows knows how to handle æ, ø and å ;)

(no seriously I'm with you there. It's like someone (I won't name names but I guess you know who) who always calls their files something with a ° at the start. Not sure why but one of my computers definitely does NOT like that in a file name.)

I foresee very very long file names in the future. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, but TrekkieGrrrl_New_Sword_And_Temple_Setting_For_Victoria_4_123334.zip ... whew....

however, as long as that is, it fully describes who , what, hmmm.. no where ... plus that awesome string of numbers.
Now if they were to start at 1, that would be coold so that we would always know how many free items were uploaded...very cool.

It's great that the requests of the downloaders has been honored by a restriction of uploads to the Renderosity server. I won't be helping in providing the content, however. 

I don't understand how these supposed requests for an easier freebie download experience are answered by making people open another window to download the item. Surely this is just replacing opening an external link with opening an internal one?

And the advertising! If it was relevant - when I go looking for pub furniture, I'm not sure why I'm then offered the option of buying:

Hair? I suppose Vicky has to have some kind of hairstyle to go out to said pub....

Hookerwear? Fine, it's a pub in the red light district. Hey, I can use this new feature for excellent plot ideas!

Western costume. It gets better! I have a pub in the seamy side of town where they do - line-dancing!

Textures? Okaaay... no explanation for this.

Samba Rio? Where is this pub exactly?

Seriously, it's not for me. Our stuff is on ShareCG and on our own Cauldron Arts website, and I don't want to upload it to Renderosity. And I don't like having advertising shoved in my face either, it's annoying, especially when it's stuff that isn't remotely to do with what I'm looking for at the moment. The whole thing's daft, I can't imagine who would have asked for this.

I think the answer to that's easy: the marketing department.

Thing is, it's all about discretion, as I've said before. You want to slap ads on the freestuff? Be my guest. But for god's sake, be discrete about it. I dont need the Rosity equivalent of driving past a forest and seeing the trees cut down in an amusing pattern that says THIS FOREST BROUGHT TO YOU BY NATIONAL TOBACCO. It's really getting bad enough when some moron out there has now developed a wafer that can contain an entire video and CBS uses it for an ad in a magazine: can you imagine what that means in the future?

No, Jennifer (and trust me: I know you're reading this), it's too much. Let;s rein it in a bit. Every good magazine designer knows there are places you just do not put advertising. It's high time web sites figured it out as well.

I'm still not seeing the problem with the advertising, Sean. Are you just opposed to using Firefox and Adblock or Opera and whatever it has?
Seriously man, I don't see any ads with Adblock Plus enabled. Zero. None.
And it can be turned on or off at will. So you can check out the ads from time to time if you want. Or, you can set it even to allow ads on certain pages, but not others. It's real easy to use, too, virtually no learning curve.

Personally I get a great deal of satisfaction knowing that they're going to all that trouble to code ads in everywhere and it's not even reaching me. Far as I'm concerned, the more ad spamming they do, the better, when I look at it like that. ;-)

>> "I'm still not seeing the problem with the advertising, Sean."

It's just bad business manners, Mike, pure and simple. Turning them off -- yeah, it's a solution. But it's just really poor form to have them there in the first place. This place is loaded enough with banners and ad links and god knows what all else, and it's gotten beyond annoying, particularly since some people discovered the questionable joy of flash banners (Please, for the love of all things holy, can we stop those?). I'm quite aware where the marketplace is. I buy enough to pay my way around here, and I have enjoyed the purchases I've made. But I dont need the neverending tittie-fest thrown in my face even more relentlessly than it already is.

Adblockers are simply a cover-up, a bandaid that doesnt fix the larger problem.