OK Poser 8 is getting to be a bigger headache by the minute. When I opened up poser this morning I got a real surprize, my content library window is blank and I have a fault message in its place now. I am currently running windows 7 on a Sony Vaio with an i7 and 6gb of RAM. Up to this point I haven't installed any files, I still load them through P7, as I don't trust P8 yet. I uninstalled P8 and reinstalled it and still got a blank spot for the library window, once I installed the SR1 I got the error message. Is this something that has been seen before, or do I just need to trash P8? Granted I wasn't fond of the P8 library set up, kind of reminds me of the older DAZ program, but I won this in a contest and I want to give it the beniffet of the doubt before deleting it perminately from my laptop. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like a firewall is preventing Poser from accessing IE browser components to assemble your library.  Make certain that the firewall isn't blocking access.

I installed P8 about 3 weeks ago and it was working fine, I have not had the computer on line in the last 4 days due to weather and foced comms blackouts prior to this happening. I will attempt to copy what the error message says, it is on personal computer and I am currently on my work station.

[FaultEvent fault=[RPC FaultString="HTTP request error" faultCode="Server.Error.Request" faultDetail="Error: [IOErrorEventtype="ioError"
bubbles=faulse cancelable=false eventPhase=2 text="Error #2032"]. URL:http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py"] messageId="367ACEC4-2E47-8A46-A90D-A4B87E97D729" type="fault" bubbles=false cancelable=true eventPhase=2]
 --- Fault request Info: op=appConfig

Looking at it now it does appear to have something to do with the IE Browser but to be honest it is way past what I know about computers. I checked my firewll and it is letting Poser access without any issues.

Reinstall? Could be you have data corruption caused by electrical spikes.

Attached Link: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/

By the way, that's a very big lollipop...

Thanks for all of the ideas on what this could be, I will give it a try after I get off work tonight. I will keep everyone informed and will post back if it corrected the issue or not.

No it's not the flash plugin. The message is from the library manager GUI and formatted for you to see by the library manager GUI, which means it launched just fine.

I have written about this many times already. As gently as possible, I'm going to remind all of you to use the search engine instead of guessing, or simply don't answer.

The very first response, from hborre, is correct. In re-installing or whatever you have allowed the firewall to activate it's supremacy over Poser and not allow it to answer queries from it's library GUI.

The Library GUI is complaining about the very first message it sends to Poser. In every case this has happened before, it was because the user had re-configured his/her firewall, whether knowingly or not, doesn't matter, that is what happens.

Also, this has nothing to do with Internet access, although your firewall may use phrasing that makes you think it does have something to do with it. I have built router and firewall software for years, and let me tell you that many of the developers who work on those components don't know they're solution space very well and use incorrect terminology in their UIs, so don't be fooled.

Poser communicates locally with the Library GUI (or 3rd party library GUIs) via loopback TCP sockets. Your firewall is blocking all sockets for Poser. Fix it.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3612643&ebot_calc_page#message_3612643

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2796776&page=2#message_3614784

Quote - Looking at it now it does appear to have something to do with the IE Browser but to be honest it is way past what I know about computers. I checked my firewll and it is letting Poser access without any issues.

Sorry - contradiction. Either this is way past what you know, or you verified the firewall is not involved. Can't be both.

Let us check your firewall. What firewall are you using? Tell us how you checked. What did you look at - what did you see? Did you verify that Poser has a listening socket open? Did you test it?

The problem with these new firewalls is they ask permission and use phrases like "Allow Poser.exe to talk to the Internet?" and people say NO.

Boom. You're screwed. Because the firewall did more than deny access to the Internet. It denied any sort of communication, even within your computer.

It's a bit like a waiter asking if you'd like an appetizer and then when you say no he assumes you don't want any food at all.

Unfortunately, once you say NO, there is no similarly easy way to fix the mistake. You have to poke around a bit more deeply.

Bagginsbill, I appologize for rehashing this but after 8 pages in this forum I gave up. When I said it was way past my ability, I ment about figuring out what the error was actually saying. I checked my Windows 7 firewall by clicking on the "allow programs to communicate through Windows Firewall" and it shows that all of my poser files are allowed. I am not finding a firewall setting on my anti-virus, witch is Kaspersky. At no time between when I shut Poser 8 down the last time and now when it gave me the error was I hooked up to the internet. My Kaspersky is out of date due to weather and a blackout preventing me from getting on line, but I do not know if that would have an effect on it or not. I probably know jsut enough about computers to be really dangerous to any that I own. I can install software and and work Poser just fine but I know if I start to poke around in the system I will destroy something important and make a nice $1500 paperweight

Quote - When I said it was way past my ability, I ment about figuring out what the error was actually saying.

OK. But the error is saying "I'm not allowed to talk to Poser or Poser is not allowed to talk to me."

Quote - I checked my Windows 7 firewall by clicking on the "allow programs to communicate
through Windows Firewall" and it shows that all of my poser files are allowed.

Again, how would you know?

Have you tried disabling the firewall temporarily to see if that makes Poser work? If not, try that. I'm not suggesting this as a permanent solution. Just seeking data.

Quote - I am not finding a firewall setting on my anti-virus, witch is Kaspersky.

This is not informative. We've already established that you don't know what is causing this or what the error means, so you need to show us what you see, and let us interpret what is shown.

Quote - At no time between when I shut Poser 8 down the last time and now when it gave me the error was I hooked up to the internet.

Nor is this in any way informative or relevant. I'm please you're willing to write and provide lots of info, but you're providing info that is based on your understanding of the universe and it just doesn't mean anything. Whether or not you even have a network communication card in your computer is not important. Whether or not you connect to the Internet is not important.

Turn off your firewall and tell me what happens to Poser. Show me firewall settings.

Quote - My Kaspersky is out of date due to weather and a blackout preventing me from getting on line, but I do not know if that would have an effect on it or not.

No it would not.

Quote - I probably know jsut enough about computers to be really dangerous to any that I own. I can install software and and work Poser just fine but I know if I start to poke around in the system I will destroy something important and make a nice $1500 paperweight

Not asking you to re-configure things, except to simply confirm it's a firewall issue by temporarily disabling the firewall. This is safe if you're not plugged into the net. Heck, it's safe even if you are plugged in. It's no more unsafe than driving a car.

Be that as it may, someone else reported that this very error message went away, and the library started working correctly, after they had updated their Flash player plugin. Nothing else, just that. This information was not a guess, it was found on an internet search. Pffft!!

We have to assume, then, that the problem was resolved by something else they unknowingly did at the same time.

It could be, that they allowed firewall access when they installed flash.

Pricely. When you install a new version of anything, or an old version, the signature of what has permission is different, and you'll be asked again if you want it to have Internet access.

Just because people have near-zero awareness of what they've done doesn't change what they do. The error message presented above is coming from a functionting Library GUI, meaning that the Flash player is running the app just fine. If it were not running the app, you wouldn't see anything about op=appConfig. I wrote that part which means it is running my code, which means any suggestion to change something to bring about the ability to run my code is silly - it's running my code.

bagginsbill,

OK, maybe I am more computer illiterate than I first thought LOL! I will try to give you the information you need and not what I THINK you are looking for so here goes,

Quote OK. But the error is saying "I'm not allowed to talk to Poser or Poser is not allowed to talk to me."

Quote - I checked my Windows 7 firewall by clicking on the "allow programs to communicate
through Windows Firewall" and it shows that all of my poser files are allowed.

Again, how would you know?Quote

I went the control panel and opened up the firewall, I then clicked on the sidebar that said "Allow programs to communicate" and made sure that Poser 6,7&8 all were in allowed access through the firewall. They were there.

QuoteHave you tried disabling the firewall temporarily to see if that makes Poser work? If not, try that. I'm not suggesting this as a permanent solution. Just seeking data.Quote

I just got finished doing that and it made no difference. I am going to stop right there because anything else I say would be a guess on my part and probably not very helpful. I really appreciate your helping me with this. I don't know if it means anything but it was mentioned by someone else about Adobe reader 10, I only have the trial version of 9.

Quote - [FaultEvent fault=[RPC FaultString="HTTP request error" faultCode="Server.Error.Request" faultDetail="Error: [IOErrorEventtype="ioError"
bubbles=faulse cancelable=false eventPhase=2 text="Error #2032"]. URL:http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py"] messageId="367ACEC4-2E47-8A46-A90D-A4B87E97D729" type="fault" bubbles=false cancelable=true eventPhase=2]
 --- Fault request Info: op=appConfig

This error message was not generated by Windows, it was generated by the Python Library, so something is wrong with the Python scripts.
The IP 127.0.0.1 is not an internet IP, the internet is not used. This IP is the IP of the local server.
Windows firewall doesn't block the local host, it blocks only messages coming from outside the computer and never from inside, so it is useless as firewall and protect you nothing, so you can disable the firewall and install some other that really works.
The error message tells that the remote procedure call (RPC) returns an error message, something is wrong with Python. Maybe some other application has installed a Python Library too and is interfering with Poser's Python or Windows is screwing all Pythons.
If re-installing Poser solves nothing it means that some other application is not compatible with Poser or Poser is not compatible with some other application.

As I have not installed anynew programs in the last 10 days or downloaded any updates in about the same period can you think of anything that would cause this or give me an idea on where to look? I am almost to the point of getting rid of P8 altogether since it has been such a headache, but I felt that way going from P6 to P& and now I love P7 so I really want to give it a chance.

Not to "Hi-Jack" this thread... but Ted could you look at this post and tell me if these two issues are related? http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2798343

Thank you

Ariana

Welcome Ariana, I hope that out of this we all get our issues fixed.

Quote -
This error message was not generated by Windows, it was generated by the Python Library, so something is wrong with the Python scripts.

No, it's a request from the flash library to lms/api.py. The error message comes up as the request didn't succeed.
So that's got nothing to do with Python.
And the Windows firewall isn't really bad either, replacing can be really bad though (but that's a totally different subject).

The extension *.py belongs to Python script,  as I know Flash doesn't use Python unless you have some Adobe application to make movies that could use it.
I have Flash player and no api.py file in my computer.

Kawecki, BB WROTE THIS. he says it's not python, it's NOT PYTHON.

tho it's gonna be like talking to a brick wall...

I can't wait 'till BB gets back from lunch.  If I stick my head out of the window I'll probably be able to hear him-he's only about 60 miles away... :lol:

EDIT Looking at the OP; did you install SR2.1, or just SR1?

My issue is fixed...outdated IE! Duh... Installed IE8 and issue resolved.

Thank you

Ariana

OK everyone here is an update for you. I got it to work. I started at the top and did pretty much every suggestion someone made and after reinstalling Adobe reader 10 I opened Poser 8 and got the load Adobe 10 in the library window so I loaded it again and after it loaded I shut it down and restarted and the library was there. I want thank Isaoshi for the suggestion and yes, it is a big lollipop. :) BB I want to thank you most of all for being patient with a Computer moron such as myself. I will use the search engine firtst in the future instead of looking through a few pages and then creating a new thread on something that has already been done. You all have been very helpful and I thank you all for your support.

Quote - The extension *.py belongs to Python script,  as I know Flash doesn't use Python unless you have some Adobe application to make movies that could use it.
I have Flash player and no api.py file in my computer.

 
 The library (using flex/ the flash player) is just a client trying to talk to a server (Poser). If it doesn't get a reply that doesn't necessarily mean that the server is defective...

Well the problem was solved only remain to know the problem itself.
You can perform a Windows search for api.py (use advanced options to search system and hidden folders/files) and find to whom (application) belongs this file.
In my computer this file doesn't exist., so I don't know.

Sigh.

There is no api.py. Its just a Uniform Resource Identifier.

When we started work on Poser 8, I was ahead of the server development, so I built a prototype of the server in Python. This prototype let me run and test the new Library GUI using Poser 7. The server prototype of the Library Management Service (LMS) API was stored on my computer in a Python server folder apps/lms/api.py. At that time this was a real URL, i.e. it was the path of a real file, relative to the root of my home-built Poser Application Server which is called PASer.

When SM began actually building the real server in Poser C++, they wanted it to work with my prototype GUI which was using that URI. They simply hooked up that URI stem in the real app server to point to the C++ callback function that services LMS API requests.

At that point, we were running interchangeably between the real server and my prototype Python server. This was very convenient, because when a server problem appeared, SM was able to swtich back to my Python implementation, which was considered the "reference" implementation, meaning whatever it answered was the right answer, and the C++ had to do the same. Because they enjoyed this ability to switch instantly, they decided to keep the URI as is.

Over time, the reference implementation in Python was no longer needed, but the URI has remained.

So - for the last time - THERE IS NO PYTHON IN THE LIBRARY CLIENT OR SERVER. Stop looking for it.

Ok, fine, there's no Python in the library client or server, but..., why the error message is giving wrong information about a file that doesn't exist?

Quote - Ok, fine, there's no Python in the library client or server, but..., why the error message is giving wrong information about a file that doesn't exist?

The way I understood bb's post, "api.py" is not a file name. It's a software resource or interface which happens to have a name which looks like a Python script file name, for the historical reasons that he explained.

I had a friend at school whom we called "Biscuit", because nearly every Monday morning, all through our first few terms, she shared the biscuits she had home-baked with her mum over the weekend. She was not actually a biscuit, nor was it her real name, but when I said "Hey, Biscuit!" she did turn around and talk with me. (She was quite tasty too, but that's another story).

Error messages are for locating the error and its cause and not for reporting sci-fi events.
"Error, your application data was lost because Windows was unable to communicate with the ghost of Tutankamon.
EIP = 3.1415926465
EAX = Elvis
EBX = Popeye
ECX = doesn't exist
EDX = the same as who knows who
........."

sigh here we go.... leave thread

This is the way how buggy softwares are born.....

Kawecki, it's obvious you don't understand the purpose or use of a URI. It is abstract. The error message is not referring to something imaginary. The URI stem /apps/lms/api.py is the name of a real service in the Poser application server. The GUI error message is telling me what URI it was accessing to get its configuration, and were it to say something else, that would be a fantasy.

What is your point, anyway? 

The next API I build into Poser, I think I'll make the URI /hey/kawecki/try/to/find/me.py

Quote - This is the way how buggy softwares are born.....

No, it isn't.

Much better is to do an api that do not crash Poser when someone installs Adobe reader and then you can give it my name, if you wish.
What the Hell Adobe has to do with Poser?

I see you're evolving.

"Protocol"
(by Izi and Biscuit)

Hey, Biscuit!
" sigh Yes, Izi? What is it now?"
Where are you, Biscuit?
"Don't be a fruitcake. I'm right here, talking to you."
You say that, Biscuit, but where are you really?
"Izi?"
Yes, Biscuit?
"Shutup."
Yes, Biscuit.

OK I can see that I really should have look harder to find an existing thread, if nothing else than to prevent a rehashing of an old argument. Can someone please lock this thread so at least some of the information might be helpful to someone else before it gets deleted? Once again thanks to everyone who assisted me.

Can I ask mainly BB, but also IsaoShi, if in the future these dependencies will be removed so that I can run 2010 on my machine that will not be reliant on third party applications, or allowed to access the need of IE? Isn't reliance on the OS enough? I had wanted to have a dedicated machine for just my apps/progs. While that is sort of counter the render interdependency on this programs system, I also want the ability to run my progs off line and without the need to rely IE8 or other enities.  

I hope this makes some sense...?!

Thank you....

Ariana

Quote - Error messages are for locating the error and its cause and not for reporting sci-fi events.

And the error message serves that purpose (it's telling that an IO error occured for a local HTTP request, that's really enough for SM's support to guess the cause...) . Just because you lack the knowledge to interpret the message doesn't mean that others can't.

And if something connects to a local socket, it's the same as connecting to any remote socket (like that of a web server) it's up to the service serving that port to decide that the URI really means. (Even connecting to renderosity.com will not do what you want - show you the content of the web server root...;-) )

RPC (remote procedure call) The perfect tool and backdoor for hackers.

Nothing Remote here though-it's all on the localhost.  If the hacker is sitting at your computer, he doesn't need RPC.  If one is actually able to get in remotely, (easily blocked by a network gateway)I think messing with a Poser runtime will be very low on the priority list..

Kawecki, really, your fear mongering is offensive.

Why are you trying to get others to worry about this? You have no idea what the API is. You have no idea what the security model is. You have no idea what can and cannot be done via RPC. You have no idea whether or not the RPC server will even listen to anything from outside your computer. (By the way, it won't accept any calls from outside your computer.)

You want to talk about risk? Every time you download free Poser content you run the risk of hacking much more easily.

Any pose, prop, or figure can include instructions to run a Python script. Any Python script can be included in anything at all, such as a Pose kit, or a free airplane, or a t-shirt.

Once you click on that item to load it into Poser, it is free to run any Python script on your machine, including scripts that were already there before you loaded this content. Since Python has no restrictions on what it can do, such free content can easily manipulate registry entries, modify any file on your system, do anything at all.

Knowing that, a hacker could easily publish some free poses and and sucker you into letting them take over your computer. This has been possible for years, yet it hasn't happened.

According to your argument, there should not be a Python interpreter in Poser, and no content should have the opportunity to run anything on your computer.

By the way, you're wasting my time. You owe me $300.

"Once you click on that item to load it into Poser, it is free to run any Python script on your machine, including scripts that were already there before you loaded this content. Since Python has no restrictions on what it can do, such free content can easily manipulate registry entries, modify any file on your system, do anything at all.

Knowing that, a hacker could easily publish some free poses and and sucker you into letting them take over your computer. This has been possible for years, yet it hasn't happened."
 

YIKES! Don't say that or give anyone ideas!!!!

I don't have any cash on hand (*too many sales!) but could someone respond to my question(s)?

Ariana

Quote - Why are you trying to get others to worry about this? You have no idea what the API is. You have no idea what the security model is. You have no idea what can and cannot be done via RPC. You have no idea whether or not the RPC server will even listen to anything from outside your computer. (By the way, it won't accept any calls from outside your computer.)

Do you know something about system programming, computers, security?
Rule #1: A vampire only can enter if you open the door.
Nobody can enter your computer if there is no way to enter, but in the moment you create an opening think that only you will use it someone else can use it too.
No thief can rob a car without doors, but if you put a door in the car, you can put locks with 2048 bytes encryptions, passwordsm alarms, gps, etc a thieve will open it, disarm the alarms and disable the gps in few seconds and car are robbed in every monent no matter how it are protected.
It is a little metaphoric and symbolic to explain the basic concepts, if you are able to understand.
Poser stuff was 100%  secure in zip format (no exe installers) Poser stuff were only text files and image files, nothing executable by Windows. There only worst thing that could happen is make Poser crash loading a corrupted Poser's file. If Poser would be well done, neither a corrupted file will be able to crash it. Poser was a house with closed doors or a car without doors.
In the moment you created Python scripts you have created something executable inside Poser's content and you opened the door to the vampires. Now we need an antivirus and virus guard for Poser content.  As Norton, McAffee and other antivirus maker doesn't care about Poser you are left without any protection.
I don't want to scare nobody, it is only metaphoric and hackers doesn't care about Poser stuff too. Also the damage is limited to what Python is able to do.
Microsoft did the same thing with their scripts and RPC and more, most done with the intention of Microsoft control your computer and know what you are doing, but this opened the gates of Hell and so millions and more millions of computers are infected by virus every day.
Banks when used their computers and their own networks were secure, nobody was able to enter their system. The only robbery cases were involving employers working inside the bank..
Today banks use Microsoft products and internet and every moment people have robbed their accounts from outside the bank.

If you want to make a secure system talk to me. You owe me $500 for the lesson

Quote - I see you're evolving.

I'll bring the paper towels....

Laurie

Quote - Can I ask mainly BB, but also IsaoShi, if in the future these dependencies will be removed so that I can run 2010 on my machine that will not be reliant on third party applications, or allowed to access the need of IE?

I don't have 2010 so I cannot answer your question.
Anyway, any software that I do doesn't depend on other apps, IE, DirectX, OpenGL or the Windows version (it can work on Windows 95 too) and re-doing the user interface it can work on Linux.

Quote - Poser stuff was 100%  secure in zip format (no exe installers) Poser stuff were only text files and image files, nothing executable by Windows.

 
So you're telling us that a program that only reads text files is safe? How do you get this funny idea?