Hello,
Anyone using Poser2010?  If so, HOW do you save a created Morphed figure to the Library?  2010's interface is completely different from other Poser software.   I am trying to save my figure to obtain the CR2 file but I am totally lost here.  I would appreciate any help.
thanks,

Have a look at the Poser Pro Reference Manual, page 122.

In general, saving anything (pose, prop, figure, material) involves the same steps. Select a category, select a folder, select an item in the editor, and then hit the + button.

Thanks for responding,
I've taken a look at the Ref manual and saw what you've pointed me too.  I believe I have some files missing with this software.  After following all the steps in the Ref.  I do not have the + showing up anywhere.  The only image that I have is "Create New Folder". 

Quote - Thanks for responding,
I've taken a look at the Ref manual and saw what you've pointed me too.  I believe I have some files missing with this software.  After following all the steps in the Ref.  I do not have the + showing up anywhere.  The only image that I have is "Create New Folder". 

I've had that issue too, closing and reopening Poser bought back the + button.

John

I've just reopened Poser 2010 and the + sign was there.  It appears that when I've created my Morphed Character I've cleared the Hideous Skeleton and the + sign went along with it.  Back to the drawing board.  Thanks for the help

The + is only there if you have a figure selected. Deleting the figure removes the "save figure" button.

Adding a figure should bring it back. Is that the case or no?

Quote - The + is only there if you have a figure selected. Deleting the figure removes the "save figure" button.

Adding a figure should bring it back. Is that the case or no?

Sadly not for me, I have no idea what I did but it has happened several times to me.  While setting up props or new figures, the + is removed, so I can't save it to a library when I have finished.

No amount of checking, making sure I am in the right library/directory, have the right prop/figure selected or closing and opening the Library window (I'm on 64bit so it is not docked) brings it back, only a reboot of Poser.

It has caused much frustration over the past week or two since I went 64bit, I don't recall it happening before then.

John

Hmm. I'm not sure what's going on. I'll try to explain how this is supposed to work, but I'm not sure what to do about it.

The communication between the GUI and the Poser server changed from P8 to PP2010. In P8, the GUI was constantly polling the server to learn the state of the universe with regard to what ops are allowed at any given time. As you change rooms or change the content in the scene, or change the selected figure or actor, the GUI has to react in near real-time. So the P8 GUI was polling 4 times per second, via an HTTP request, to find out if the server had any important changes to any of these things that the GUI should be aware of. Mysteriously, quite a few users were reporting that these short but frequent conversations were being "recorded" in the browser cache, building up huge piles of temporary files. So for PP2010 we changed this. The GUI opens a permanent XML socket connection to the server. Over this connection, the server can "say" whatever it needs to say asynchronously. This has two benefits. One, the browser is no longer involved in the transaction, so any problems with it stupidly recording the conversation are gone. Second, neither the GUI nor the server are wasting CPU cycles saying "Any change?" and "No" over and over again. So background CPU usage drops to zero.

Now since this connection is internal, in theory it cannot "drop" spontaneously. So we made no provision for re-establishing the connection, since it is supposedly impossible for it go away without either party asking it to go away.

But - if it were to go away, then the GUI would no longer learn about state changes from the server, and as a result it would not present the + option when it should, i.e. after you add a figure. (Once a figure exists, there is always a "current figure", so the option should always be visible.)

So I'm saying that this may or may not be a cause for the disappearing + button.

However, you said that closing and re-opening the library doesn't fix it, and that disturbs me. If you completely close the AIR version of the library GUI, the XML socket connection is destroyed. Starting the GUI again should re-create it. Minimizing the GUI would not do this, but closing and opening it would. But since you said it didn't happen that way, it leads me to believe that this isn't a "lost connection" problem. Theory says it isn't possible, and your evidence indicates it isn't happening anyway.

So then we have to consider other possibilities. The only thing I can think of is there is an out-and-out bug in the server, where it isn't telling the GUI the truth. If I were sitting at your computer, I could figure this out pretty easily, but that isn't an option, so this is a stumper for me.

Has this been reported to SM?

I've also had this problem on a few occasions - so few that I have not been able to pinpoint what triggers it. As John said, closing and restarting Poser seems to always fix it.

I probably deserve a telling off for this, but I have not reported it to SM, simply because I have no idea how to reproduce the problem, and, whilst irritating, the workaround is not a huge imposition for me.

If there is anything I can do to diagnose the problem if/when it next occurs, I'd be happy to spend some time investigating. I'm using the AIR library GUI on a Core Duo (32 bit) Mac.

Edited to add: I'm almost certain I've seen this happen on Poses, Props and Materials. I very rarely save figures.

I havnt reported it to SM, it isn't something that bugs me too much.  A quick reset is all it needs.  

If you have skype Id be more than happy for you to see if you can troubleshoot the problem

John

Quote - Hmm. I'm not sure what's going on. I'll try to explain how this is supposed to work, but I'm not sure what to do about it.

The communication between the GUI and the Poser server changed from P8 to PP2010. In P8, the GUI was constantly polling the server to learn the state of the universe with regard to what ops are allowed at any given time. As you change rooms or change the content in the scene, or change the selected figure or actor, the GUI has to react in near real-time. So the P8 GUI was polling 4 times per second, via an HTTP request, to find out if the server had any important changes to any of these things that the GUI should be aware of. Mysteriously, quite a few users were reporting that these short but frequent conversations were being "recorded" in the browser cache, building up huge piles of temporary files. So for PP2010 we changed this. The GUI opens a permanent XML socket connection to the server. Over this connection, the server can "say" whatever it needs to say asynchronously. This has two benefits. One, the browser is no longer involved in the transaction, so any problems with it stupidly recording the conversation are gone. Second, neither the GUI nor the server are wasting CPU cycles saying "Any change?" and "No" over and over again. So background CPU usage drops to zero.

Now since this connection is internal, in theory it cannot "drop" spontaneously. So we made no provision for re-establishing the connection, since it is supposedly impossible for it go away without either party asking it to go away.

But - if it were to go away, then the GUI would no longer learn about state changes from the server, and as a result it would not present the + option when it should, i.e. after you add a figure. (Once a figure exists, there is always a "current figure", so the option should always be visible.)

So I'm saying that this may or may not be a cause for the disappearing + button.

However, you said that closing and re-opening the library doesn't fix it, and that disturbs me. If you completely close the AIR version of the library GUI, the XML socket connection is destroyed. Starting the GUI again should re-create it. Minimizing the GUI would not do this, but closing and opening it would. But since you said it didn't happen that way, it leads me to believe that this isn't a "lost connection" problem. Theory says it isn't possible, and your evidence indicates it isn't happening anyway.

So then we have to consider other possibilities. The only thing I can think of is there is an out-and-out bug in the server, where it isn't telling the GUI the truth. If I were sitting at your computer, I could figure this out pretty easily, but that isn't an option, so this is a stumper for me.

Has this been reported to SM?

Well, I don't know how to check TCP connections on Mac, but in Windows it's pretty easy.

I closed down my browser and my email program and launch Poser Pro 2010. Then I do nothing for about a minute to let a flurry of connections disappear, and then I do:

netstat -b

I see this:

Active Connections

  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State           PID
  TCP    tczotter-d820:1325     localhost:11630        ESTABLISHED     49436
  [LSMGUIAIR.exe]

  TCP    tczotter-d820:11630    localhost:1325         ESTABLISHED     89592
  [PoserPro.exe]

That's the two sides of the persistent connection between LSMGUIAIR and PoserPro.

If the connection were to be lost, those would not be "ESTABLISHED". If you get in the state where the + button is missing, you might wait 1 minute and then run netstat -b and see what it says.

Is the new library system from Poser Pro 2010 going to be ported back to Poser 8?

Hopefully you realized that toy could save the Poser scene (pz3) file and keep your work.

Quote - Is the new library system from Poser Pro 2010 going to be ported back to Poser 8?

I think so. I haven't been keeping up with the Poser 8 SR3 beta releases. There's a new one today. I'll go check it.

Quote - Hopefully you realized that toy could save the Poser scene (pz3) file and keep your work.

Sorry - I can't parse this. What toy? Did you mean "you"?

Nice one Bill, I'll check that out the next time I break it.

John.

Quote - Well, I don't know how to check TCP connections on Mac, but in Windows it's pretty easy.

I closed down my browser and my email program and launch Poser Pro 2010. Then I do nothing for about a minute to let a flurry of connections disappear, and then I do:

netstat -b

I see this:

Active Connections

  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State           PID
  TCP    tczotter-d820:1325     localhost:11630        ESTABLISHED     49436
  [LSMGUIAIR.exe]

  TCP    tczotter-d820:11630    localhost:1325         ESTABLISHED     89592
  [PoserPro.exe]

That's the two sides of the persistent connection between LSMGUIAIR and PoserPro.

If the connection were to be lost, those would not be "ESTABLISHED". If you get in the state where the + button is missing, you might wait 1 minute and then run netstat -b and see what it says.

 I had this happen on a few occasions in the first release of Poser 8. Since I don't have PP2010 yet I can't say if it's the same thing, but it sounds similar. As I recall it, the problem was eradicated with SR1, but that may have been a coincidence :)

Quote - What toy?

Shift T and Y one key to the right and you get Y and U!

LSMGUIAIR is the client, so the port number is random. The server is almost always 11630.

I figured the TY YU thing out later.

er, my bad , I meant I hope the original poster realized he could save his work as a pz3 scene file to save it . Then save the figure to library once he got that working.