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Subject: ATTN Bagginsbill ... I need your Genius!!!!


Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 12:22 PM · edited Wed, 20 November 2024 at 2:41 AM

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BB, I'm trying to get a realistic glossy effect for the lipstick on my latest character.  I love the VSS but it doesn't give me the look that I want for the lips alone.

Right now I'm creating MAT poses in P7 so I'm posting a pic of the character and then I'll follow with my shader nodes.

TIA

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 12:24 PM

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Now, here's my shader node set up ... I need help with this.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 12:44 PM

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There are a couple ways to do this, but here's my suggestion.

Get or make a lip mask. This needs to identify where the lips are in the UV map, with white or close to white on the lips, and black everywhere else.

You'll want to apply this to the lip and face material zones. You have two choices:

1) Do this after synchronizing. This is the quickest way. The down side is that you'll have to do it again and again if you're doing a lot of parameter tweaking and re-synchronizing.

2) Using VSS Designer, add a new Template Face material to the control prop. Load the skin shader in it. Change the Shader Rules to map the face and lips to Copy Template Face.

Either way, make the changes shown in the screen shot.

I'm connecting the lip mask to Value_2 of the PM:Bump and PM:Shine. I've added .05 inches of bump, and 1.5 more shine where the lip mask enables it.

Play with different values.

Render coming up.


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bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 12:45 PM

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This is before the above change. Note: This lip texture has burned-in speculars, which are going to somewhat ruin the effect, but it's what I have, so I can't demonstrate a better result.

Anyway, this is before.


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bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 12:46 PM

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And this is after.


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bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 12:47 PM

Note: I'm using the lip mask I got with the GND4 texture set. But I'm using the Daz standard textures otherwise.


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Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 3:16 PM

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BB, thanks so much, this was exactly what I needed.  The only difference is that I plugged Value_2 of the PM:Shine Level, also, into the lip mask and gave it a value of .45 and I got exactly the look I wanted for all 10 of the lip images.

I bow to the skill of the Jedi Shader Master!

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 02 June 2010 at 3:43 PM

Yes that's a good thing to do. See, the level of shine in this shader is driven by the specular map, if you have one. But if you don't have a specular map, the red component of the color map is used instead. Depending on what that color actually is, you have to tune the level to respond to what is found in the color map. Boosting the level is perfectly valid to calibrate it for a particular texture set.

Good job. Looks great.


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Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 3:58 PM

Quote -

You'll want to apply this to the lip and face material zones. You have two choices:

2) Using VSS Designer, add a new Template Face material to the control prop. Load the skin shader in it. Change the Shader Rules to map the face and lips to Copy Template Face.

Not being a node guru, I so can't figure out how to do this, BB.  If you could post some screenshots for me, I'd love you forever because the results I showed you earlier are something I want to do for all of my lady characters.

TIA

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


hborre ( ) posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 6:41 PM

To get you started, the VSS Designer button is found on the Python Script patette.


bagginsbill ( ) posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 7:39 PM

It's easier for me to just make it. Which are you using with or without AO in the skin template?


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Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 8:45 PM

@BB ... with AO

@hborre ... found the designer button but couldn't figure it out.  Not a node wizard but I'll look at what BB does for me and learn from that.

Thanks, Guys.  I appreciate the help with this.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


bagginsbill ( ) posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 9:36 PM

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Shall I include a Blender node to let you change the lip color, too?


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Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 9:41 PM

Please ... kiss, kiss ... hug, hug

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


Latexluv ( ) posted Fri, 04 June 2010 at 1:03 AM

Very interested! Watching this thread now.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


lkiilerich ( ) posted Fri, 04 June 2010 at 10:26 AM

Me too ;-)

HUGS
Lene 


Sentinelle ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 9:53 AM

While waiting for Bagginsbill's response, check out pages 38-41 of the giant thread "VSS Skin Test - Opinions".  On these pages Bagginsbill and RobynsVeil show us how to create masks for lips and eye makeup.  Here's the link to page 38:

http://market.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2737823&page=38
 



Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 4:29 PM

Well, I tried to add a Lip Template to the VSS control Prop. It looked like I had done it. I saved the prop. However, when I actually ran the VSS python, it did not add the changes I had made to the Lip Template, so I have somehow done this wrong.  If anyone has succeeded in adding a Lip Template to the VSS control prop, could you please post your VSS prop as a zip file, please? I am beyond frustrated at this point.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 5:44 PM

BB is building the appropriate prop for this right now because I couldn't figure it out, either.

Stay tuned to this thread for the results.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.


hborre ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 5:53 PM

Did you auto-rename the Template after you set it up?  I found if you skip that step, it doesn't apply the shaders.


Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 7:10 PM

Yes, I used the Auto Rename after I set up the Template. Maybe I did it wrong. Once I had the Template for Lips added, I copied and pasted the Skin Template, which I then made some modifications too. I then Auto Renamed. However, it did not rename the Specular Map in the set up. When I ran it. It applied the skin Template to the lip area but without the modifications I had made to that Template. So I do not know where I went wrong.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 7:23 PM

Okay, I don't know how I just got it to work, but I did and I'm saving the VSS prop right away!

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


hborre ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 7:47 PM

Another trick in using Auto Rename feature, plug the image node you would like to rename directly to the Root node, or PoserSurface, click the button and, afterwards, reconnect it into it's finally arrangement. 


Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 8:00 PM

I'm working on modifications right now. I like the glossy lip stick styles. I don't like matt lipstick or make ups. I used to be a Cosmetic Manager at a drugstore, and I know that make up styles and colors cycle very frequently and I always hated it when "Mat style is IN this year". I liked glossy, shinny, and metallics.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 8:22 PM

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For Victoria Lee. I'm posting the VSS prop that I just managed to add a Lip Template to along with my modifications. You can use this until Bagginsbill can get back to us on this thread.  It utilizes a Mask that Robinsveil posted in the VSS thread. I'm going to post it here for you as well. Please try this out and see if it works on your system. So far seems to be working fine on mine.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 8:22 PM

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Here's the Lip Mask. Thank you Robin!

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 05 June 2010 at 8:24 PM

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And this is what I get when syncronizing. Base texture is Ala.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 


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