Flex is a library and using it I built the SWF file. In the end, Flex is just Flash with a bunch of business-type GUI components, instead of just animated sprites.

The Flex library is built into the program - it's not something you have installed. But the Flash player is separate.

The same is true of the AIR version of the library. It's still Flex, but running inside the AIR application interpreter, instead of the Flash engine. Updating (or de-updating) AIR or Flash has some impact on how the software works.

Is it possible that this library exists in more than one file?  What is the file(s) name?  I have all this Adobe crap installed, it wouldn't surprise me if it's in more than one place.

You don't have the Flex library. I have it. I linked it into the LSMGUI.swf file.

Okay, the runtime that interprets/executes it .

That's the Flash player. Flash10.ocx I think. I'm not really sure.

Tsk.  I guess I'll go research this (really shocked you don't know this).

For the curious:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flex

Release history

• Flex 1.0 – March 2004
• Flex 1.5 – October 2004
• Flex 2.0 (Alpha) – October 2005
• Flex 2.0 Beta 1 – February 2006
• Flex 2.0 Beta 2 – March 2006
• Flex 2.0 Beta 3 – May 2006
• Flex 2.0 Final- June 28, 2006
• Flex 2.0.1 – January 5, 2007
• Flex 3.0 Beta 1 – June 11, 2007
• Flex 3.0 Beta 2 – October 1, 2007
• Flex 3.0 Beta 3 – December 12, 2007
• Flex 3.0 – February 25, 2008
• Flex 3.1 – August 15, 2008
• Flex 3.2 – November 17, 2008
• Flex 3.3 – March 4, 2009
• Flex 3.4 - August 18, 2009
• Flex 3.5 - December 18, 2009 [1]
• Flex 4.0 - March 22, 2010

Actually it sounds like I should be looking at Adobe AIR (Integrated Runtime)?

edit: that is versions 1.0, 1.5, 1.5.1, 1.5.2, 1.5.3, and 2.0.  Which one is preferred?  Latest?

I've just downloaded and installed Adobe Air 2.02.  The core DLL seems to be "Adobe Air.dll".  If I am barking up the wrong tree please let me know what I should be looking for.

searching for copies of this DLL on my entire hard drive right now...

The preferred location seems to be Program Files (x86)Common FilesAdobe AIRVersions1.0

version 2.0.2.12610 (this matches what I downloaded)

Okay, there is only one copy of "Adobe AIR.dll" on my entire hard disk.  I'm still pretty suspicious that there is some other runtime environment invoked by the web browser that is hooking something that it doesn't want to share, so I guess I'll look for what that might be (maybe some old version of Flash component before Adobe renamed it all to AIR).

I've found Flash9d.ocx in C:WINDOWSsystem32MacromedFlash
and Flash10d.ocx in C:WINDOWSSysWOW64MacromedFlash
I'm pretty suspicious that this is the cause of my problem, that some web app is invoking one of these and Poser prefers the other.  I can see why I have two, because I'm running XP 64, and the 32-bit version is provided for legacy support, but I wonder if I really really need it.  I'd like some advice on which of these is preferred - Bagginsbill I know you already said 10, if you could give this some thought I'd really appreciate it.  I am willing to try disabling one of these to see if it kills my problem, although Adobe is kinda like ninjas, sneaking this stuff in quietly with other patches so it might get resurrected.  Thanks.

It occurs to me that the reason I sometimes have this "conflict" problem with MS Outlook is probably because someone sends me an email with embedded Internet content, and this invokes web browser components, and among those is whatever Poser also wants but is not able to get (maybe one of these Flash*.ocx files).

Quote - It occurs to me that the reason I sometimes have this "conflict" problem with MS Outlook is probably because someone sends me an email with embedded Internet content, and this invokes web browser components, and among those is whatever Poser also wants but is not able to get (maybe one of these Flash*.ocx files).

My theory is that as Outlook very likely uses the IE core for rendering HTML content, it hooks or proxies in some protection which unfortunately affects other instances in other programs using the same core components.

Maybe, but my major problem isn't with Outlook, it's almost all with the running browser itself (whether IE or Firefox).

Paul,

I'm confused. You're talking about AIR and browsers and Poser 8. AIR is the standalone Flash player that allows developers to deploy Flash applications that run as if they are full-fledged Windows applications, with full file system capabilities. AIR is not in any way connected to browsers, or Poser 8.

There is an AIR version of the library for Poser Pro 2010. But we're talking about Poser 8, right?

So you have the Flash version if the library. This is the version that needs browser components, only because Flash needs to be embedded in a Browser. AIR applications do not need to be embedded in a browser.

Now, as to Flash10d, well that is a very buggy version. Google it - tons of problems. In my work with NCR, we do digital signage and for a while we were using Flash10d in the players. It was constantly crashing, leaking memory, and generally causing havoc. At the time, it was the newest version. After months of debugging, we went back to Flash10c and all was well. I was tearing my hair out over that one - accused of producing a bad media player when it was a bad Flash.

Meanwhile, I'm using flash10h.ocx now and it works great.
 

Quote - I've found Flash9d.ocx in C:WINDOWSsystem32MacromedFlash
and Flash10d.ocx in C:WINDOWSSysWOW64MacromedFlash
I'm pretty suspicious that this is the cause of my problem, that some web app is invoking one of these and Poser prefers the other.  I can see why I have two, because I'm running XP 64, and the 32-bit version is provided for legacy support, but I wonder if I really really need it.  I'd like some advice on which of these is preferred - Bagginsbill I know you already said 10, if you could give this some thought I'd really appreciate it.  I am willing to try disabling one of these to see if it kills my problem, although Adobe is kinda like ninjas, sneaking this stuff in quietly with other patches so it might get resurrected.  Thanks.

Actually, it isn't provided for legacy support. It's provided because there is no such thing as a 64-bit Flash player. This is a serious problem that Adobe refuses to answer.

That is why Poser Pro 2010 had to have a standalone library for the 64-bit version of Poser. It is not possible to use the embedded Flash player in a 64-bit application, because there is no such thing.

I asked you this stuff and you told me you weren't really sure, so I decided to try some things instead of sit here with my thumb up my ass, in silence, because I couldn't run a web browser for streaming audio while working in Poser (which is pretty much constantly, lately, so that is a lot of silence and a lot of thumb up the ass). 

Today you sound more sure.  That is good.  I'll try renaming Flash9d.ocx so hopefully it will not get run.  Where did you get Flash10h?  I just installed a couple of days ago and it seems to have installed 10d.

A little FYI: the Flash Uninstaller from Adobe removed Flash10d.ocx, but it did not remove Flash9d.ocx.  Heads up.

uninstaller obtained from http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html

Rerunning the installer from the Adobe page http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/, it installs successfully but I am left with NO version of Flash*.ocx.  Poser 8's library will not start.  I suspect this is because I browsed there with Firefox.  I'll try the MS Internet Explorer install.

edit:  Okay, that worked, the MS Internet Explorer version of the flash installer (offline installer install_flash_player_ax.exe) wrote me a nice fresh Flash10h.ocx.  I'll monitor this a while and see how it behaves.  Thanks.

ps: I manually deleted the WindowsSystem32Macromed directory that contained the old Flash9d.ocx.  If it turns out I needed that for some other app I'll deal with that when it comes up.

pj,

Earlier and more than once, you told me you had installed Flash 10.1.53.64. That is Flash10h. But more recently you revealed that you had Flash10d.ocx, which is decidedly not 10.1.53.64.

When I was operating under the assumption that you were up to date, I had nothing to say. Once you pointed out that you really weren't up to date, then that changed my options.

Sorry. I can only go on what you say. I think I mentioned this sort of problem a while back.

Here's what you said:

Quote - Since I'm pretty convinced this is somehow tied to something the web browser is doing based on how it's been behaving for me, and it's been happening with both Internet Explorer and Firefox, I went ahead and reinstalled the Flash Player:

Version 10,1,53,64 installed successfully
...
reinstall of Flash didn't affect anything, I still have this

Apparently that wasn't true.

That version 10d was what was in place after the installer ran, and the version info was what I cut and pasted from the installer, so Adobe's the ones at fault.  This was why I was asking you what the file names were.

Yes well we all don't know what we don't know.

We didn't know the installer could claim to be successful while actually not being successful.

The installer web page does say you must uninstall previous versions first. I'm guessing that if you fail to do so, the installer just goes ahead and does nothing, without checking. I suppose that's why they tell you in the instructions to uninstall first - because the installer doesn't.

I think what might have happened with the previous attempts with the installer was that the Firefox version simply does not write flash*.ocx, it writes FlashUtil10*_Plugin.exe.

Running the uninstaller didn't get Flash9d.ocx, which I'm fairly sure was the real cause of my problem - if I didn't have the name to go search for it then it would still be there (I removed it by hand).  I'll find out over the next few days I guess.

I was so hoping this was fixed.  No apparent change, right now if a web browser window is open then Poser won't start (sometimes the whole app just hangs on startup, once I got error #2032 and just the library wouldn't start), or if Poser is already running and then I open a web browser window then the library will stop refreshing.  I searched my hard disk again and I only have Flash10h.ocx anywhere on the disk.  The times Poser hangs on startup, this event is written to the Application event log:
Faulting application poser.exe, version 8.0.3.11793, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.2.3790.4455, fault address 0x0004f053.

Sorry. I have no more clues why this is happening. I had hoped it was a Flash problem.

So did I, I was really hoping it was that multiple versions thing because that'd be an easy fix to remember.

Occurs to me I should go back to Internet Explorer for a while, since Firefox seems to work completely different with respect to Flash/etc (*_plugin.exe instead of *.ocx).

Internet Explorer 8:  You are the weakest link.  Goodbye!

(rolled back to IE7 for reasons not related to Poser, damn thing was auto deleting all cookies every time I started it)

I have blocked IE8 from installing, and I only use IE7 for Windows Update.

When updating  Flash, keep in mind that there are separate plugins for IE and Firefox; you indeed need to update the IE one.  They should coexist well.

Well evidently there is some kind of overlap, at least in my case (Windows XP Pro 64-bit).  So far, fingers crossed, Poser has not gotten so stuck that it just won't run at the same time as IE7, but it has crashed on startup a couple of times.

Turns out IE7 is doing that same crap of inexplicably deleting cookies (different problem obviously) so that seems to be some settings problem that was retained, despite forcing default settings.  There is such a thing as making software too user friendly.

More information:
A couple of days without this problem, running IE 7.  I got bold and decided to try loading Firefox.  IMMEDIATELY - I mean literally right after I loaded Firefox - this problem appeared again.  Closed Firefox, Poser starts correctly - open Firefox, Poser won't start.  This is while MS IE 7 is currently running (I'm typing this post in via the IE window).

Moral to the story seems to be, if you are a Windows XP Pro 64-bit Edition user, be wary of the Flash*_Plugin.exe flash player (which Firefox and probably other browsers has to use), while the Flash*.ocx player (specifically version 10f, which Internet Explorer uses) seems to work OK.

A little followup:  After a week of staying with Internet Explorer I haven't had this problem with the Poser library any more.  I actually switched back to IE 8 a couple of days ago after I finally found a workaround for the unrelated cookie deleting problem.  I'm pretty sure the FlashUtil10f_plugin.exe version of the flash player (the one Firefox uses, and probably other browsers) is bugged, at least under Windows XP Pro 64-bit.

Well that's good news.

Ratscloset if you're still monitoring this thread you may want to keep this in mind and/or pass along to the rest of the support team, save you some pain.

I had a similar error (I didn't write it down) pop up on me last nite-I was using Poser on an airplane (I was too cheap to pay $6 for Direct TV) , and I had my wireless card turned off.  I hit the OK button and the Library worked fine from there'  Now that I'm home I'll give it a try...

...It works fine when connected to the Network.  Why would the Library care if the LAN were connected? 

It wants to know how to search CP - it does a quick blip to ask CP what the search criteria are - list of vendors, sale categories, etc. It's not important if it fails.

I just took a patch from Microsoft's automatic updates, and it seems to have upset the delicate balance I had - problem's back, web browser running anything to do with flash = no Poser library.

Well, uninstalled/reinstalled Flash and updated my tablet driver for luck, it seems to be OK for now at least.  Very frustrating.

Quote - Ratscloset if you're still monitoring this thread you may want to keep this in mind and/or pass along to the rest of the support team, save you some pain.

Can you send the details into Support... Put Attention John on the Incident Subject... I actually want to try this on my XP 64 Machine. I have tried to follow all you said in this Thread, but I could not duplicate it, so I am sure I am missing something (or maybe there is another factor and our comparing can find out exactly what is the cause)