Hello everyone, hopefully after reading this, you don't think Im a complete nut-job!

My father, for many years has studied and researched facts behind religion, artifacts, writings, things like that. His studied took him to the first recorded advanced human civilisation, the Sumarians.

I would say as much as 80% of people do not know this, but the bible is actually a translation (and heavy interpritation) of the original sumarian texts, primarily the 7 Tablets of Creation, which speak of how the heaven and the earth is created, The Flood Tablet, which speaks of a flood that would wipe out all sumarians, was it not for a god instructing the construction of a great ark to store the animals and the people in. The stories of Gilgames (a 2 parts god, 1 part man being) who was a great king (a real one, not a mythalogical one), and finally the Anki Narratives, Enki is the supreme god of Sumarian Mythology, he is the ruler of all the other gods, of which there are many.

sorry I got a little off track there, I of course ended up reading all these books, and debating with my father about this stuff for many years, and while I dont think I'm an expert on this stuff, I feel I have read enough that I know more than most.

What brought this thread up is of course the discovery of Planet X (originally called the 10th planet, until NASA reclassified pluto as a dwarf planet, reclassifying Planet X along with it).  Planet X is a term coined up by astrologists to explain certain anomolies in the structure of our solar system.  If you arent aware of this, Nasa discovered a new planet outside our solar system coming this way, its size is about that of pluto, but could be larger. Until it gets closer they wont know for sure. You can now see this planet here in Australia at sunrise just before the sun comes up, both Planet X, and its orbiting moon can be seen as bright "star" in the morning light, before the sun breaches the horizon and blinds you.
The strangest thing about Planet X, is its orbit, unlike all the other planets (and dwarf planet) their orbits are pretty much round, Planet X orbits like a comet, it comes in really close to the sun before shooting back out to the very far reaches of our solar disc (and beyond), before swinging back towards the sun again.  This takes Planet X approximately 3600 years (NASA stated)

What does this have to do with the creation of life?  To answer that, we need to look at the 7 Tablets of Creation, written by the sumarians around 6000 years ago. and to a lesser extent, the writings of the daily activities of Enki (Ruler of Gods) and Enlil (The First Son of Enki, Ruler of the Lesser Gods). We also need to look at the Mayan creation myth in the book of Popol Vu to find where the Gods came from, and there extremely precise cyclic long calander.

Now for me to both explain my interpritations, and also give the texts I based them off would take me days, rather I will tell you what I believe, and give you links to the freely avialable translations of these texts for you to read yourself.

The book of Popol Vu explains the deities that creates life/everything as The Creator, The Maker, Tepeu and Gucumatz, Followed by the three other deities (Caculhá Huracán, ChipiCaculhá and Raxa-Caculhá) known as the "Heart of Heaven".
This probably didnt jump out at you as it did to me when I first read it.  Lets take a look at the Orion Constellation for a moment. Four outer stars, with 3 stars at the centre close together, Orions belt (Heart of Heaven).  Thats right, the Orion Constellation and particularily Orion's Belt (the deities that make up the Heart of Heaven are the ones to give us life) is where the Gods live, Heaven.

Now we move to the Sumarian Texts. Here we are told that the Annunaki (the Gods) came from heaven, stopping at the 7th planet. Up until the reclassification of Planets, Including Pluto, Earth is the 7th planet from the outer edge of the solar system. First and foremost how did a 6000 year old civilisation know the structure of our solar system! along with the tablets of creation is a pictogram (image representing an event or story) containing an image of our sun, and its 10 planets (the standard 9 + planet x) arrayed around it. The sumarians knew the sun was the centre of the solar system, something we didnt re-figure out until 300 years ago.

How did they get from Orion to here, well it just happens that Planet X's outer portion of its orbit heads in the direction of both the Orion Constellation and the Capricornus Constellation. Could it be this planet went out just far enough for the Gods to reach from there planet? Nibiru is the Sumarian name for Planet X, and it is the planet which the gods came from to get to earth from heaven.

now to find out the why, there are two theories, one is based off information in the Bible, the origin of this information is not linked to any known ancient texts, and so can be dismissed as fantasy, but I will explain it anyway, followed by my own personal "non bible" theory.
The bible speaks of a time when Lucifer, God's honered protector of the throne felt the Sin of Pride and wanted for himself, what God had. Lucifer managed to convince many angels to join him in overthrowing god, but god cannot be overthrown. Lucifer and the fallen angels were banished from heaven to hell.
If you look at this with the knew explenation for God and Heaven, it takes on a whole new twist entirely.
Two main factions of the race known as the Annuunaki fought for control over there homeworld in the Orions Belt, Lucifer (Enki) lost, and was banished to the nearest solar system, ours. The only way to get to our solar system is via Nibiru, the 10th Planet and its extremely elongated orbit which brings it closer to them. 3600 years later, when Nibiru returns to our system, the Gods arrive.

There is no reason (vague or not) given in any of these texts as to why the gods came (much is lost or eroded), other than the above interpritation of the bible's addition to the Sumarian texts.
We can assume the Annuunaki are an advanced race, moreso than us. They too would have realised the near impossibilty of spanning the great distances between solar systems. They would have seen our system as the best chance to expand. a great undertaking is commenced to colonize the planet they call Niburu which leaves our system and covers a great amount of the distance on its own. The Annuunaki succeed, and 3600 years later, when Nibiru returns to our system, the Gods arrive.

There is a stark Good-vs-Evil to these two theories, and unfortunately the Evil one is thanks the bible.

Ok, so now what happened when they got here?  They discovered that Niburu once had 2 moons, both mostly ice in construction, came through our system millions of years ago, passing extremely close to Tiamut (the name for Earth before it was made whole). One of the moons collided with Tiamut, destroying almost half the planet, creating our asteroid belt. Over the millenia the remainder of Tiamut and Nibiru's moon formed into Earth and the Moon.
This amazing chaotic event had created a highly rich habitable planet, life had occured thanks to the cataclysmic energies and materials combined in the collision. Taking there ships, they came and found pre-homosapien man, finding the shear amount of resources available on our planet, they realised they would need a work force to mine the minerals (Sumarians mined silver, gold and gems for there gods). Taking there own DNA and genetically "splicing" it with ours, they created 5 distinct genetically modified sapiens, each suited to the area they were to work and mine (Afrika, Americas, Oceana, Asia, Europe). Each race used base dna from different Annuunaki to ensure a good gene pool. This is why "races" among people are so heavily encoded in our dna (a Caucasian couple wont give birth to an afrikan child). But this was not the first time they tried this. There first attempts were destroyed due to there disobedience. One recorded instance is The Great Flood. the less common known fact about the writings on this flood is that it wiped out over 400,000 "Giants" Half human-half anuunaki demigods according to Sumarian texts (and the bible). Annuunaki (Gods) themselves are pictured and written as being giants by the Sumarians , The Babylonians, Greeks, Mayans and even in Christian imagery God is always giant in scale.

I could continue for a few more hours, but for now I will leave it there (I need a break!) when I come back I will provide more links

now before you call me crazy, remember that the bible, which is a story (so much more on this I could say) has very little fact to back it up, yet it is believed as true by millions.

English Translations of Sumarian Texts :
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbycat.php

Zecharia Sitchins interpritation of the Sumarian Texts (leader in Cuniform language)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oa5r0nQ8ms

I read a similar book called "Worlds in Collision" by Imanuel Velikovsky I think his name was.. Very interesting read..
Of course there are those that say ther end of the Mayan calendar in 2012 will herald the Gods return. If Planet X is on it's way back, it may arrive at around that time..
There is also a story doing the rounds that Mr Obama is about to announce the truth of Aliens and UFO's...
Watch this space...

How did people survive on Nibiru being so far away from the Sun?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwysQiRaRgE&playnext=1&videos=qp_oyXUt5GQ

This Mayan Elder explains the end of the mayan calander for you

Quote - How did people survive on Nibiru being so far away from the Sun?

Crossing the distance from any planet in the Orion Constellation to the furthest point of Niburu's orbit would be an amazing accomplishment, even sci-fi cant do it without breaking the laws of physics. Such a journey would then most likely have been multi-generational. aboard a highly advanced self sustaining craft. The same technology used to build such a vessel could be used to create sustainable habitats on a baren, but stable planetoid. Raw materials would be harvested from our solar system while its here to sustain the Nibiru colony.

in theory :p

How did people survive on Nibiru being so far away from the Sun?

I believe if I remember correctly, that the planet in question has it's own self sustaining heat source from thermal energy within the planetary core..something like that..

Its on the Internet so it must be true. However........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision

(This one from a few years back referring to the original Nancy Lieder prediction).
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=106;t=000461;p=1

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/myth_of_nibiru_and_the_end_of_the_world_in_2012/

I'm sure that there is much that we still have yet to discover but it is usually wise to check the source of the information before going too far down a particular rabbit hole.

Velikovsky's work came years before Nancy's predictions [1950's], I think she probably read it and thought she could make a fast buck by inventing this story..
The Mayan calendar and it's predicted "end of our age" scenario is interesting, they seemed to have an understanding of astronomy far in advance of what you would expect for their time..

I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring up the stupid internet niburu doomsday prophecy. That is a complete hoax and not what I am basing my theory off.

Scientists put the creation of earth at about 20 - 40 million years ago. (link1)
According to the Sumarians, Niburu comes past every 3600 (the orbit time of Planet X designated Ellis by NASA), when the moon of Niburu collided with Tiamut, it was a baren rock, so it had cooled already.
That means that Niburu has passed through our solar system some 8300 times since the earth cooled, and only once did a moon collide with Tiamut, making it not only smaller, but removing a moon from Niburu further decreasing the chances something similar could happen again. The further THOUSANDS of  passes show there is no doomsday, unless you think the Annuunaki are still on Niburu, and that they are evil :p

link1:http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/virtualmuseum/ita/05_2.shtml

The Sumarian King List begins around 3000BC, If we ASSUME the Annuunaki can stay on earth for around 600 years before needing to leave to get back to Niburu, that would put the next passing of Niburu and a visit from the gods would be close enough to perhaps be the reason behind the birth of Christ, the son of God.

that is purely speculation

Forget for a moment anything you've heard regarding planet x, niburu, 2012 doomsday and all that and think about these two facts alone for a moment :

the sumarians say the planet there gods live on, Niburu passes through our solar system every 3600 years.
Nasa has found a Dwarf Planet, Designated Ellis, that travels along an extremely elongated orbit around our sun, that takes approximately 3600 years.

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 ...Taking there own DNA and genetically "splicing" it with ours, they created 5 distinct genetically modified sapiens, each suited to the area they were to work and mine (Afrika, Americas, Oceana, Asia, Europe). Each race used base dna from different Annuunaki to ensure a good gene pool. This is why "races" among people are so heavily encoded in our dna (a Caucasian couple wont give birth to an afrikan child).

There are several sound scientific reasons why alien DNA wouldn't follow the same lines as ours.  Molecule handedness is one of them.

Also, since it can be shown all "Races" of humans are actually derived from African origin (and yes, it is possible for Caucasian couples to give birth to a child of apparantly African parentage), the whole shebang is kinda dead in the water.

Addendum...

If someone was really that good at gene splicing, surely they'd get rid of all the viral DNA, genetically carried diseases, most cancers and a good deal of the "junk genes".   

In fact, the more I think about it, they'd probably eradicate cancer altogether by making our DNA more resistant to breakdown over prolonged periods.

the theory that we evolved from a single homo-erectus species says that we went from Homo Erectus to highly varied Homo-Sapien in under 2 million years. The Diversity of the Canine species took 10 million years to get to today from thier single ancenstor.  How did we evolve so monumentally fast?

To Sam, have we ever been so kind to our slave workers?

Quote - the theory that we evolved from a single homo-erectus species says that we went from Homo Erectus to highly varied Homo-Sapien in under 2 million years. The Diversity of the Canine species took 10 million years to get to today from thier single ancenstor.  How did we evolve so monumentally fast?

To Sam, have we ever been so kind to our slave workers?

There is a species of crab, native to Japan, some of which have shells with markings remarkably like a samurai.  That tendency is now present in the majority of these crabs but only came about in a few hundred years.  

There's a moth, native to the UK, which had black and white markings.  The ones with primarily black markings became dominant during the industrial revolution, since they were harder to spot amongst all the soot - streaked buildings.  Since then, with the advent of "clean air", the mainly white ones made a huge comeback.  Again, all in a very short space of time.

My point is, give a species enough space to roam and they will find niches and begin to specialize.  Dogs weren't left to their own devices; if anything, we may have slowed   their diversity.  Until recently, due to all the interest in pedigree and pet breeding.

As for us, there's no real need for any kind of diversity.  Even the little we got is pretty useless by most standards.

Assuming a highly advanced civilization would need a slave population, I think it's reasonable they would tailor our DNA to be more disease resistant.  Keep the slaves healthier for longer, get more work out of 'em.  Perhaps our slave owning ancestors weren't bright enough to figure that one out but I'd put good money on an alien super species to think of it.

Another thing, why is chimp DNA so close to ours, and their blood DNA identical?  Does that mean the aliens experimented on them, too?

All life on earth is controlled by a border collie / labrador mix living with a haitian family in Cleveland.

They are unaware of his powers.

He licks himself.  A lot.

He also likes ice cream, but not chocolate.

Any other questions?

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If someone was really that good at gene splicing, surely they'd get rid of all the viral DNA, genetically carried diseases, most cancers and a good deal of the "junk genes".   

In fact, the more I think about it, they'd probably eradicate cancer altogether by making our DNA more resistant to breakdown over prolonged periods.

Sam - The very answers to your questions are hid in the holy books.  "The Gods" were our overlords, and we were their slaves, essentially.  They did not want us living long lives, and they did not want us adulterating our gene pool.  We were to be kept docile, and worried about Death and dying because of our short life-spans. 

Diseases were created and unleashed on us when we were disobediant, or becoming too numerous.

Did you know there are accounts from the black Plague where witnesses saw bright lights, orbs, and tall, dark figures with Rods going over crops and spraying them with something just before the plague broke out in that area?

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*I saw this episode, but I thought Spock and Kirk interceded on behalf of the ignorant savages, and the overlords relented.

At least that's how I remember it.

I think the thrall with the tin foil bikini was in that one.

By the way, the dog's name is Ralphie, but he answers to Old Yeller.

He's not happy today, so watch out.  Could be a tsunami or something.

What I do find most interesting about this or any discussion like it, is that when people started to stop believing in the Bible, they still needed to come up with all kinds of explanations on the origin of life. Stop believing in the Bible and you end up with the weirdest things like aliens, evolution and such. Ah, well, everyone can believe what they want, that's the freedom we've been given :-)

Quote - now before you call me crazy, remember that the bible, which is a story (so much more on this I could say) has very little fact to back it up, yet it is believed as true by millions.

You may want to research that on the internet as well....... there are more then enough facts to back up the Bible.

Are we even allowed to discuss all of this? It's really way way way way off topic and I'm not sure what the TOS states about these kind of topics. I know that if you do this at DAZ, you'll get banned. I recall a bunch of us getting banned at DAZ for discussing something that had religious links. Was the only time ever I was banned from a forum.

Quote - All life on earth is controlled by a border collie / labrador mix...

Any other questions?

What is the dog's name, how can we best pay homage to her, and is it safe to pat her?

Quote - What is the dog's name, how can we best pay homage to her, and is it safe to pat her?

Ralphie, his name is Ralphie.  You would think people would remember something as important as a deity's name.  Sheesh.

As far as paying homage, Snausages seem to be his preferred form of gratitude.

You can pet him, but I would back off quickly if he shows his canines.

I'm just sayin' ...

Silence, humans, in the presence of your master !

So you've got  good basic mythos for a sci-fi series, start writing now, make some money have some fun, maybe make some Sumerian Tech clothes for Poser, before "they" come back!

Gosh, I really love this place, so informative.
We learn something new everday, don't we. :lol:
(YAY, I got in afore it got locked.)

Ralphie don' t care much about the bible, he doesn't read very often.

Lacking opposable thumbs, he finds turning pages too dreary for words.

And for those wiseguys about to mention dewclaws, Ralphie says dewclaws ain't no thumbs - just try to flip a coin with one!

Uh oh, there goes Ralphie.  I'm afraid the travails of humanity are all too easily forgotten when a squirrel runs past.

Great thread discussion until someone decides they need to derail it with goofball nonsense.

Dr. Geep, Ralphie is considering a change in venue - Cleveland is a bit boring since LeBron left.

He is considering Feenix, but he worries that the hot sand would scorch his paws.

Are dogs comfortable in your neck of the woods?

Quote - Great thread discussion until someone decides they need to derail it with goofball nonsense.

Yes, it was all factual up until then.

Hot?, Nah ...S'ok, we gots refrigeration ... some call it air conditioning, ha ha.

William...

The goofball nonsense began with post #1. ROFL

It never fails to suprise me that the lenghts people will go to prove that a faith based religeon has factual evidence to back it up.

and here I thought this community was mature enough to discuss something relating to a newly found Dwarf Planet and its potential implications to life as we know it, I see I was wrong.
There are plenty of people who believe in the Annuunaki today, and according to history millions of people who did before us too. (sarcasm) but of course the WHOLE thing is goofball nonsense.... (/sarcasm)

Quote - and here I thought this community was mature enough to discuss something relating to a newly found Dwarf Planet and its potential implications to life as we know it, I see I was wrong.
There are plenty of people who believe in the Annuunaki today, and according to history millions of people who did before us too. (sarcasm) but of course the WHOLE thing is goofball nonsense.... (/sarcasm)

The unfortunate thing about the world we live in today is that the majority is indoctrinated to such an extent that anything outside their sphere of indoctrination is generally mocked and discarded.  This is how the major religeons have grown and taken such a foothold in society over the years.

It's all about tribalism mate, we all like to belong to something, and it is amazing the lengths people will go to to defend their tribe.  Whether that be your Country, Family, Religeon, Football Team, it's all part of the same behavioural patterns.  You can even see it between Rendo and DAZ, Poser or Daz Studios, the clearly biased arguments for and against.

Nowt wrong with it, it's just how we are as a species.  I personally think that your theory is no more or less credible than that of any major religeon.  The fact that many people believe it now, and have in the past doesn't make it true, but then it doesn't make it false either.  It was an interesting read, though I think I may have lost my way 3/4 of the way in.

But then I am a more or less godless heathen :) and certainly a heretic according to just about everyone ;) so don't take my word for it.

John

There are plenty of Christians and plenty of Moslems, too, but I doubt you'll get either group to agree that the other is right. A fairly large number of people also believed that the earth was flat and was created the "night preceding 23 October 4004 BC" (Bishop Usher) prior to 1492. The number of people who believe in an idea has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's true.

I would be happy to discuss the minor planets with you, but I'll pass on all the religious sub-text which I do consider to be nonsense. However, you seem disinterested in discussing it without those unsupportable ideas, so looks like this is a dead end.

No sarcasm anywhere in the above. 

Fugazzi: Ain't workin' without a net fun? :)

Quote - Scientists put the creation of earth at about 20 - 40 million years ago.

Try 4 billion. Yes, with a "B". I don't know where you heard 20-40 million, but I have corns older than that... And in those 4 billion years (with a "B"), scientists are discovering that life has existed for as much at 3.4 billion of those 4 billion years.

Quote - "the theory that we evolved from a single homo-erectus species says that we went from Homo Erectus to highly varied Homo-Sapien in under 2 million years. The Diversity of the Canine species took 10 million years to get to today from thier single ancenstor.  How did we evolve so monumentally fast?

Erm, mutations can and do happen with amazing speed at times. For instance, for a major human mutation (such as skin turning from black to white) can take as little as 20,000 years or less - a mere second in geological terms. Some germs and microbes can manage a major mutation in mere weeks.

The simple fact is that human beings have very vivid imaginations and we, being a very inquisitive animal, feel an overwhelming urge to explain everything around us, even if that means making something up to tell around the campfire. Just because something was written on an ancient clay tablet, while interesting, does not make it true. I can go outside right now and chisel "The sky is red" on a piece of stone and 5,000 years from now - if someone can interpret it - do you think they'll really be asking "I wonder why the sky was red?" More than likely, they'll be thinking I was drinking or smoking something interesting or telling a good story. And when PhilC said "it's on the internet, therefore it must be true" is no less ridiculous then "it's on an 8,000 year old clay tablet, therefore it must be true".

I will concede that life came from somewhere else in so far as perhaps the building blocks of life - the amino acids and enzymes, water, etc. - were more than likely carried here on another rock that hit the planet way back when. Perhaps even on a chunk of another planet blasted away by a comet or asteroid where microbial life had just begun forming. Other than that tho...

Laurie

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Did you know there are accounts from the black Plague where witnesses saw bright lights, orbs, and tall, dark figures with Rods going over crops and spraying them with something just before the plague broke out in that area?

Ever heard of ergot poisoning?

Laurie:

Ralphie says you're spot on, it's actually 4.003 billion years.

He also thinks you're cute, but then he's a sucker for a girl on a beach.

To revise my previous post, just had a look at some Sumerian art, that stuffs been done to death, guess I won't be changing my name to Roddenberry then :)

Quote - and here I thought this community was mature enough to discuss something relating to a newly found Dwarf Planet and its potential implications to life as we know it, I see I was wrong.
There are plenty of people who believe in the Annuunaki today, and according to history millions of people who did before us too. (sarcasm) but of course the WHOLE thing is goofball nonsense.... (/sarcasm)

I believe I am mature enough.  As far as I know, I'm responding to your posts in a rational, non sarcastic manner.  Just because I don't believe in the particular interpretation you have been reading doesn't mean I'm incapable of rational and reasonable debate.

 To the best of my knowledge, Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on making up crazy stories.  It's a tradition that came along as soon as we could communicate beyond "eat, shit, sleep, fuck, fight, die", and which survives to this day.  In fact, there are several studies and some very interesting (and entertaining) research into animal communication which suggests they may have a much more sophisticated language set than we believed.  It seems even birds have a sense of humour.  

Humour appears to be linked to several higher cognitive functions and closely linkedis to the ability to lie, or at least stretch the truth creatively.  IMO, the same applies to most fiction, even if it ain't funny.

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Did you know there are accounts from the black Plague where witnesses saw bright lights, orbs, and tall, dark figures with Rods going over crops and spraying them with something just before the plague broke out in that area?

Ever heard of ergot poisoning?

You know, I was thinking of exactly the same thing? LMAO

They be trippin' ;o)

Laurie

Sam, it was not to you I was talking to at all there, or LaurieA.

What are your personal opinions on Eris?

Quote - What are your personal opinions on Eris?

It's a very large Kuiper Belt object, like Pluto ;o). Also was the name of a Greek goddess - another fascinating story - but we won't go there...lol.

Laurie

Quote - It never fails to suprise me that the lenghts people will go to prove that a faith based religeon has factual evidence to back it up.

Ah dat religion stuff agin ... ha ha

Didja no wher da werd re-lig-ion com frum ...
Here it are fer yer edificashun, ha ha

"re" - the prefix means to REturn or go back, e.g., return, refund, remake, recreation, etc.

"lig" - the root (latiin) means to tie or bind, e.g., ligature, ligaments, etc.

"ion" - the suffix is used to change a noun to a verb and vice-versa, e.g., act - action, etc.

Ah jus thinked ya mite lik ta no dat so here it are fer yuze so put a biggie smil here

... so da werd religion mean da act of returning to da bondage.
um, witch wun is yuze bound to, huh, huh, huh, ha ha?

an Ah are stil in luv wif dat Lauriegurl, YEAH

Note to those concerned by the possibility of a close approach by Eris:

From Wikipedia:

Eris has an orbital period of 557 years, and as of 2009 lies at 96.7 astronomical units from the Sun,[11] almost its maximum possible distance. (Its aphelion is 97.5 AU.) Eris came to perihelion between 1698[5] and 1699,[34] to aphelion around 1977,[34] and will return to perihelion around 2256[34] to 2258.[35] Eris and its moon are currently the most distant known objects in the Solar System apart from long-period comets and space probes.[36] 

Quote :...What brought this thread up is of course the discovery of Planet X (originally called the 10th planet, until NASA reclassified pluto as a dwarf planet, reclassifying Planet X along with it).  Planet X is a term coined up by astrologists to explain certain anomolies in the structure of our solar system.  If you arent aware of this, Nasa discovered a new planet outside our solar system coming this way, its size is about that of pluto, but could be larger. Until it gets closer they wont know for sure. You can now see this planet here in Australia at sunrise just before the sun comes up, both Planet X, and its orbiting moon can be seen as bright "star" in the morning light, before the sun breaches the horizon and blinds you.
The strangest thing about Planet X, is its orbit, unlike all the other planets (and dwarf planet) their orbits are pretty much round, Planet X orbits like a comet, it comes in really close to the sun before shooting back out to the very far reaches of our solar disc (and beyond), before swinging back towards the sun again.  This takes Planet X approximately 3600 years (NASA stated)...  Quote end.                                                                                                                                           It is said Nasa stated .Let's look what Nasa sais here :  http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=2759

temp - fair enough, mate.

I don't believe it's a rogue planet which will wipe us out.  OTOH, there is a current theory which suggests the proto-Earth was slammed into by another celestial object, the two of which formed the current Earth, a good chunk of the moon and quite possibly the asteroids.

I have a feeling Eris will stay more or less put for the time being - entropy always wins - but will most likely have some serious discussions with Jupiter when it decides to move a bit closer.  

IMO, it's just another BDO in a universe full of them.

... and here : http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/29jul_planetx/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnpXcLGUTww&feature=related

This is what I can see in the morning now here in Australia.  Its funny, reading NASA astranomers talking about the possibility of Niburu (or any new planet) being visible from earth like this was laughed at a few years ago.

Just to doubly make sure everyone understands that I am in no way talking about the "Niburu Doomsday Prophecy"

Jupiter lost a stripe last week too btw
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18889-jupiter-loses-a-stripe.html

alot of wierd things are starting to happen!

It's STILL laughed at, at least in the astronomical circles I run in. I don't know what you're looking at, but it's not Eris (unless you've got a private telescope that puts Palomar to shame.) I've got a buddy with a $50,000+ 22 incl reflector with computer controlled tracking and aiming and he can't see any of these objects, including Pluto. Plus, due to the distances involved, there would be no angular momentum that you could discern without photographic comparison.

What makes you think what you're seeing is Eris?

Quote - It's STILL laughed at, at least in the astronomical circles I run in. I don't know what you're looking at, but it's not Eris (unless you've got a private telescope that puts Palomar to shame.) I've got a buddy with a $50,000+ 22 incl reflector with computer controlled tracking and aiming and he can't see any of these objects, including Pluto. Plus, due to the distances involved, there would be no angular momentum that you could discern without photographic comparison.

What makes you think what you're seeing is Eris?

I think what's being seen could more likely be the planet Mercury, but what do I know ;o). Mercury is also known as "The Morning Star".

Laurie

I don't know what the southern sky looks like.. well go to www.stellarium.org ,download stellarium.exe (it's free ,no registration ) and have a look what your australian sky should look like. after launch set your coordinates and here you go. Find out yourself. Is this Venus or something else ?

What strikes me: an unknown object at the sky as big as bright as the morning star (I think it's venus not mercury ;) ) and it is still quite on science blogs ? No top news in the medias ? Are they all asleep?