John

Looks great

You did THAT !!! (and without the aid of a safety net) :lol:

WOW, nicely done.

cheers
dr geep
;=]

Quote - Looks great

Ta LM

Quote - You did THAT !!! (and without the aid of a safety net) :lol:

WOW, nicely done.

cheers
dr geep
;=]

Did someone say something?  My desktop sarcasm detector has just blown up ;p

John

 Looks good 
So how ?
What modeling tools did you use ?

looks great....very natural!

Quote -  Looks good 
So how ?
What modeling tools did you use ?

3D Coat and Carrara 7 Pro, the edges are seperate from teh main mesh and added to the Soft Decorated group.

John

Quote - looks great....very natural!

Ta :)

i like how they look so far, though i would like a closer look at them. love the modeling.  i've got to ask: why are the edges soft decorated?

They actually look great.  Much more natural appearance, different from what is out there now.

Quote - i like how they look so far, though i would like a closer look at them. love the modeling.  i've got to ask: why are the edges soft decorated?

Cos if they weren't then the shape would smooth out with the simulation.

John.

Could you animate them a little (100 - 200 fr?) and post the result ?

Quote - Could you animate them a little (100 - 200 fr?) and post the result ?

Unfortunately I'm hopeless at that kinda thing

 Will they be available for poser8 .

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Cos if they weren't then the shape would smooth out with the simulation.

John.

interesting.  so the edges don't have true thickness, then? i guess i can understand why you might do that.

Quote -  Will they be available for poser8 .

For sure, dynamic works in 5 and above.

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Cos if they weren't then the shape would smooth out with the simulation.

John.

interesting.  so the edges don't have true thickness, then? i guess i can understand why you might do that.

Kinda :) the edges are just seperated from the main bit, then I add thickness to them.  Using the Soft group then maintains their position, and more or less keeps the shape.  The hard decorated group wouldnt work I don't think.

John

Quote - They actually look great.  Much more natural appearance, different from what is out there now.

cheets hb, now the edges seem to work I think dynamic has almost no drawbacks :)

Sorry for the late reply, not sure why, but I didnt get a mail for your post.

John

no, i'd bet it wouldn't. that said, i've never had to use soft decorated groups for my hems to keep them from collapsing. but i'm not satisfied with how i make them (yet) either, so i'm probably missing something. 

 I LOVE the edges! they really look great!

Quote - no, i'd bet it wouldn't. that said, i've never had to use soft decorated groups for my hems to keep them from collapsing. but i'm not satisfied with how i make them (yet) either, so i'm probably missing something. 

Not sure how you are doing it KK, but I have always found that modelling the hems into the main cloth part either smoothes them out completely, or enough to makte them unsatisfying.

This method I think solves that issue, though it will raise one or two more I am sure :)

John

weird.  i don't have them smooth out at all.  my problem with my hems is purely me.  i haven't found a good way to make their basic shape. 

They look great!  One thing to add might be a seam down the front, if I were you I'd do that with a displacement or bump map.  About the hem edges, you don't have to do that as a soft decorated group, but you do seem to have it working well anyhow :)  What I do that also works is assign the hem vertices to a group with different fold resistance etc.  If you want to look at the settings I used you're welcome to them:
http://sites.google.com/site/fleshforge/Home/free-stuff-1/irina-sp3-dynamic-sheath-dress
http://sites.google.com/site/fleshforge/Home/free-stuff-1/gillian-dynamic-dress-v4

The settings and groups should be saved into the PP2 file and pop up when you set up a coth simulation for that prop.

Quote - They look great!  One thing to add might be a seam down the front, if I were you I'd do that with a displacement or bump map.  About the hem edges, you don't have to do that as a soft decorated group, but you do seem to have it working well anyhow :)  What I do that also works is assign the hem vertices to a group with different fold resistance etc.  If you want to look at the settings I used you're welcome to them:
http://sites.google.com/site/fleshforge/Home/free-stuff-1/irina-sp3-dynamic-sheath-dress
http://sites.google.com/site/fleshforge/Home/free-stuff-1/gillian-dynamic-dress-v4

The settings and groups should be saved into the PP2 file and pop up when you set up a coth simulation for that prop.

Lol once again I've over engieered the solution ;) thanks pzj, Ill look at the dynamic groups thing

John

Quote - weird.  i don't have them smooth out at all.  my problem with my hems is purely me.  i haven't found a good way to make their basic shape. 

Model them as just part of the flat mesh, select the ring ot polys around the edge, now depending on your modeller, extrude/bevel/fillet those polys, then softent the edges so they are not razor sharp.

Hope that makes sense.

John

Quote -  I LOVE the edges! they really look great!

Ta TG :) hows the PC going?

John

Eh if it works, that's fine :)  How long does the sim take to run per frame, on average?  If the time to calculate isn't excessive then it doesn't really matter, the results look great!

Quote - Eh if it works, that's fine :)  How long does the sim take to run per frame, on average?  If the time to calculate isn't excessive then it doesn't really matter, the results look great!

Not timed it exactly, but it's no slower than my usual simulations :)

John

looks great. great work on this! :)

Quote - Not timed it exactly, but it's no slower than my usual simulations :)John

Then I think your method is just fune ^^ Nice job.

Quote - looks great. great work on this! :)

Ta muchly :)

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Model them as just part of the flat mesh, select the ring ot polys around the edge, now depending on your modeller, extrude/bevel/fillet those polys, then softent the edges so they are not razor sharp.

Hope that makes sense.

John

oh it makes total sense.  and it's how i make them.  the issue is that first step: model them as just part of the flat mesh.  if i do that when i've made the clothing already, there's mostly no simple way to get something that's actually even.  if i do that before i've made the clothes and when i'm in my flat stage, it's easy to make even, but it becomes uneven in the process of making it.  i've tried it both ways, and neither has been very satisfying yet as a method.  yeah, i know, it works fine for literally everyone else.  i think this is one of those things that comes easy to everyone, but i just have to find a way that works with my little weird brain.

i'll figure something out eventually.  i might just need to get a little creative with my thinking and my process.

and your method seems to work really well.   i wasn't trying to say you should do anything different.  i just figured you were doing it for a reason, and i wanted to understand that reason better before running into problems.  for instance, i started off making hems soft decorated but didn't separate them like you did and ran into trouble.  i read the manual and it explained (as i think you mentioned recently) that soft and hard decorated groups shouldn't share polygons with the cloth mesh.  that was a few months ago.  if i had asked you about it then, i would have saved myself a lot of trouble.

 They look quite comfortable. I'd like to order an extra large. Will it be available by fall?

Splendid quality, my friend.
i am impressed.
cheerio
lululee

 that looks superb.  edges have been a problem in poser dynamic clothes, and even displacement mapping doesn't seem to looks as good as your edges.  it's looking really really good.
Keep up the good work.
Love esther

 with a decent texture map, tops and trousers made using your method would look equally good as the daz studio dynamic clothes, with the advantage that it is mac compatible and that users can make clothes too if they want.  I hope many more people adopt your method. I've noticed a few dynamic clothes appearing in the MP lately but seams and edges on the promos don't seem all that good.
Love esther

you know, i never had a problem using edges in dynamic clothes.  not my own, and not those of others.  Lady Littlefox's stuff is great dynamic, and one of my many unfinished works used a dynamic version of the Masquerade's Eve panties.  came out just fine, with no trouble.  i have trouble making nice edges in general, but once they're made, i've never had a problem running a sim nor keeping them.

 most people do have edge problems because dynamic clothes look paper thin on most clothes that I've seen, as if they've been made with material that has been cut with scissors and not hemmed.
Love esther

they have been made without hems.  that's kind of my point. dynamic clothes don't have edge problems.  that's like saying conforming clothes used to have a detail problem before people started making higher quality clothing.  the problem isn't the dynamics.  the problem is that most (but definitely not all) dynamic clothes are made in a very quick and easy manner.  some creators spend time making details, but most don't.  Fugazi1968 is an exception, pjz99 is an exception, svdl is an exception, and i for that matter am an exception.  but you can look at my Greeting the Dawn and how Lady Littlefox and Sarsa's V4 Fairy Gown performs and see that dynamic simulations have no problem with clothing details.  if i had actually made the shawl in my most recent post opaque rather than partially transparent. you'd be able to see the thickness on that.  the band around the figure's waist also has a thickness. 

i've had problems converting some clothes to dynamic.  but the problems have been fairly inexplicable and completely unassociated with how detailed meshes are handled.

Quote - oh it makes total sense.  and it's how i make them.  the issue is that first step: model them as just part of the flat mesh.  if i do that when i've made the clothing already, there's mostly no simple way to get something that's actually even.  if i do that before i've made the clothes and when i'm in my flat stage, it's easy to make even, but it becomes uneven in the process of making it. 

Here's a good way:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2793152

very cool!  i don't know if i can do that with Blender (my tool of choice and what presently fits my budget), but i'll definitely try to find a similar function to Extrude Inner.

I'm sure Blender can do this, although the terms are different.  This is an application of edge extrusion.  Blender is a very very powerful modeler, you don't need to look any further.  If I was starting from scratch I'd use it.

weirdly, looking it up, inset is actually one of the things people (specifically, box modeling people) would like it to do but it doesn't yet.  some people have written scripts that kind of do it (lots of limitations), and there's requests to add it to the modeling features.  some people are asking for it to be added to something called Bmesh.  i'm not familiar with it, but it seems to be part of one of those alternate distributions.  so i'm thinking it might be added in the near future, especially if people keep talking about it.

but it looks like there's no simple solution within Blender yet. people have mentioned Wings3d, which does.  i'm definitely not a Wings3D user (one of the many tools i tried and gave up), but i can probably figure out how to do edges there.  thanks!