It is a shame that this forum is so cliquish, And only certain people tend to get any responses to their messages, Most of them have forums of their own or they have tons of store items.... Not only mine but Iv seen many other messages go ignored without any curtesy to comment on what the person is talking about. This forum used to be better when people seemed to be interested in what others were posting about. It's a shame this forum is now based on greed and what you can sell in the store, I don't think the store is a bad thing I think people losing site of what the forum here is for is. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

and your suggestion is to answer every question when most of the time we don't have an answer ?

man this guy has a real brain, let give him a hand, clap clap clap clap!

I can't help it if your too lazy to too type.

Well, what did you expect, so many people had to close their sites, because they'd trouble in handling all the traffic. It is definately not easy nowadays to give something away for free without paying anything :o( And regarding the answering to "unknown" people - hmm, it is like this that more and more people are getting involved into Poser ... It is nearly impossible to read all threats here - so it is "easier" to keep in touch with the "main-players". You see a lot of "" because I don't want to get flamed by someone for using words that are not meant like this (english isn't my motherlanguage). And I have posted soooo many threats about pro and contra of the store - I'm tired of doing this anymore - perhaps you've only have the chance to growl with the wolves or left alone hungry :o( And regarding the forums - more and more are popping up ... that's awful for me - 'cause I've to crosspost in a lot of forums - but it's not the worst thing - so we have more people to speak with (as I don't have to answere enough mails - lol) These are just a few thoughts and I have to stop now ... or this will end up in another endless letter ... and btw: this is a complaint and debate - topic ;o) Schlabber

Ok....... i took the lazy typing part... but remember.... not everything in life matched your expectation.... Unless.. you prepared to be dissapointed. =)

YOu can sloganise this all you want, your approach was antisympathetic and lame.

Im not talking about giving free items away, Im talking about people having the curtisy to answer other peoples messages, Seems only the people who have items in the store get reponces these days, I thought I made that clear.

OOps..... and I can guess...this one is coming from an anti-friendly, not going to listen, the hell about it, kinda person ? See,.... Your comments is all about saying stupid things about other ppl..... (Clapping my hands)

Don't blame the forum for the actions of those who chose to use it or not in a manner not to your liking. It would be more useful to spell out what specific behavior needs improvement. Most important, rememember to light a candle and make the world a brighter place. And smokier.

Schlabber, I think you missed my point, This is not a pro and conn argument about the store even though I did mention it. Its about people having the curtisy to answer messages made by others. I think it's insulting to post a message that goes unanswered or gets less then the attention the topic deserves. I also think there are people here who think thier shit don't stink and that they are too high and mighty to answer anyone elses posts. I also think there are people here that are onmly concerned with the store and what they can get out of it. go for it. My opinion is a person feels unwelcomed or insulted when they are ignored, So yes I think it is common curtisy to give the person some feed back even if you are too lazy to type.

hmmm - I have nothing (yet) in the store - and I can't say people are not answering my posts ... I think I've made this clear now :o) I think we don't have an unfriendly forum. Normally you get an answere to your questions ...

I agree with schlabber..... Courtesy is important but not the most important.. Goodwill and your contribution is what needed for this forum.........

Huolong, Im not blameing everyone, I do however belive a forum is made up of it's members. And this forum used to be very interactive, Since the store opened it has become a gost town unless you happen to be selling something.

schlabber I SEE HOW MUCH YOU CARE ABOUT THIS TOPIC WHY DID EVEN BOTHER TO RESPOND......

WE HAVE A CHATROOM FOR THAT ONE>>>>> MESH-MAGICK And this one is my last respond .... so don't worry... =) next time we meet.... we'll talk sumethin else as buddies

May I also say upspoken people seem to get plenty of sarcastic responces from people who could care less about the topic because all the want to do is slam that person.

OK - I'll tell you something about my day ... Normally I get up at 8 AM - drive to work (about one hour - 'cause it is not so close to where I'm living) So I started work at 9 AM - there I have to handle with very much problems regarding browsers, html, javascript, etc ... (I don't wine that's my job and mostly I like it ...) normally I work (if nothing special happens) untill 7 PM (sometimes less but mostly more) - I drive home - eat something and then we have about 9 PM - Then I normally make this and that pose and we have 11 PM - then it's time to care about the house - some invoices to pay ... etc - then we have about 1 AM and I mostly went then to bed ... So you see, there is not so much time left to be an active Forum-member and at the moment I'm more than glad to answere this and that post and mail DURING my work. Did I mention I play in a tennis-team and they haven't seen me now for some weeks ... did I mention my friends are calling me again and again asking if I could join a party or go out with them ... That is my answere about being too lazy to type :o|

point 1 people who care about money onmly care about thier own products when it comes to gettiong attention to them. Point 2 this forum since the store got started has become less interactive and more compeditive. Point 3 compedition breeds fewer comments made to others who want or could use some feedback. Point 4 there are some lazy people who don't like typing, At least they have an excuse. Point 5 the high and mighty rarely post responces, I can make one exception to this, Jeff H, But I think he only answers my poosts if he thinks Im up to something.

What do I want? I want to feel like a welcomed member here, Not an outcast who rarely gets his messages answered.

And Im not the only one here who feels this way.

Schlabber go play tennis with VICKY , SHE'S WAITING .

Response to Point 1: you have no real proof of your assertion, people seem to help those who are asking questions, and based upon sour grapes comments people may not respond to others at all...I do not sell anything at the store and I get responses to my questions. I also learn quite a bit through the posts on this forum. Response to Point 2: this forum (Poser) might become more interactive, it is hard to say. Do you specifically have any helpful or positive suggestions, or do you only want to vent? Maybe you could post a monthly challange for poser use? The monkey is on your back, if you feel that there is something you might want to suggest to the forum readers that is poser related, a request for something specific, poses, hair, post work etc. I have not seen it yet... Point 3: There is no proof of number 1 so this point appears fatally flawed. Competition might be good, you want to sponser a prize for this forum to see if you can prove your point, sponsor a contest by putting up the prize...some of us are challanged when it comes to making models, morphs and props...rather than giving something away for free maybe you could offer a cool item as a prize..that would engender competition and maybe spice things up. Response to Point 4: This comment may be true, the ability to type as fast as one can think is an advantage. Do you have some way of knowing if a person did not like to type they would not still hunt and peck out their question? Response to Point 5: Could someone get you to smile if they tickled you under your virtual chin? Are you having a bad day? Who, pray tell, do you lump in with the "high and mighty"?....I thought you were one of those people....now my world is crashing around my head.....waah...

This One requires me to respond again.......LOL You want to be a welcomed member.... Go to the chat room and express yourself there.... You'll know how friendly ppl in there.... Have you any friend outside the computer and internet ? Check out the world !!!!

I answer posts that I have something to say about, regardless of what clique the poster belongs to.

Hi All, And especially Mesh Magi, I try to read all the posts everyday, but I do have a job, a long commute to work, and sometimes it is not possible. If, I feel I have a good and helpful reply (or,if I think I know the answer) to someones post, I do try to respond.....but, If I feel I don't know or I think that all you guys out there Know so much more than me, I don't reply, not out of in-consideration, but out of the fact that I truly don't know the answer. My questions that have been posted here, have all been answered, and all of you have truly helped me in one way or another. I try to read all the posts when I can, because in them, I find answers to questions that I also have from time to time. Please don't think that we are all selfish bastards who want something for nothing.......some are like me, who don't have the time, some are limited to the time they can spend on a computer on-line, some are Just too shy.......to post. Give us another chance......OK? genny PS. I don't have anything for sale in the store either, and won't have any for sale, because simply put, I don't have time or the interest to do this right now. (:

I haven't noticed any cliques here, what I have seen is many people supporting others! There are very few threads that go without a reply and sometimes it doesn't require any comments or an answer. It's also possible that the person who has the answer hasn't come along to provide it and if given time maybe someone will. If it were me and no one answered, I'd rephrase the question and ask again. If you don't like the forum then find another, simple solution without appearing paranoid. There may be cliques in some circles but that's just the way some people are. I avoid cliques because you can't control anybody except yourself. Live and let live!

Hi, my posts are always answered by at least one person...and that is okay, if I can't help someone, I don't answer, try not to waste time for them and space for the forum. As for sales, we just support each other, that is a response in itself. Sorry, I haven't supported all, guess my life just gets consumed, not all, but some, some days I am lazy, that is my choice. But for the most part I think all here have added their presence nicely.

No cliques here in Renderosity? rolls on the floor laughing

rendorosity has always been clicky mesh magic as schlabber said if youre not a main player dont expect to much response from the names however i thought you were one of the names also. as a rule i as a nobody find that the response to post,s very good personally as a rule if i dont know the answer i keep my mouth shut however if i can help i will i agree with a lot of the points you made but you time is a killer. not flaming anyone here by the way. stu-art

I've honestly never had a question go unanswered... every problem I've ever dropped here has been addressed quickly and most of the time professionally. some times I'm just as guilty as everybody else with projects... I forget to do things, or I have to respond quickly to a question which may seem impolite, but honestly... I'm busy as heck anymore. This has been a great community for me to hang out, learn, and evolve. Mesh Magic... were you also keoto? I think I've left some projects unfinished with you as well? If not, sorry for the confusion. Doug Sturk

My 2 cents :) I am a newbie to this site, been here a month or so, And I can not recall 1 time when someone didn't answer me, if not directly in the forums, then through IM.I don't think there are any cliques in here, I think everyone is treated pretty fair, and it is quite impossible to answer every question. I for one, read all the questions, but don't answer any that ask how to make something conform, create an object,etc, as I know nothing about these things, and there are certainly enough pros on here to answer correctly. If someone didn't answer you, maybe you asked something no one knew the answer to, or they were busy at the moment, and will get back to you! Look how many people have responded to this :)

I totally disagree with the basic premise of this thread. But, I will make some comments: I think most of us are going to answer the same questions a few times and then leave it to others to carry those particular torches. Someone new should take the trouble to search the archives to see if the answer is easily found there. Plowing the same furrow repeatedly gets boring. If an answer is provided and the thread stops there, the person being helped provides no feedback about the usefulness of the information, no expression of gratitude at all, well, I for one, am just that much less likely to help the next person. As far as I know, unlike Walmart, there is no official greeter at the door. If a thread is posted with the primary purpose of seeking some sort of personal affirmation, this is often obvious and the thread is often ignored. Substantive questions with a clear subject line are usually answered.

Well, I answer threads that have relevance to me. The others, I don't. I don't have a Renderosity store, although, I do sell privately. I get responses to all my posts. I am a relative newbie here, too...only since about late february, and took off for a month in april for the keyes. Here's what I think....People answer your thread if it is INTERESTING. In some respects, this place isn't that much different from the real world. Folks like RadArt are funny....the R'osity class clowns. Others may be very dramatic...makes for interesting reading and provokes thought. Some folks have things that we may want...Or, maybe they are describing something we can get. Okay...back to counting clowns. I got them ALL back this weekend, and now, isn't that special? Pop...pop...pop!!! Oh, yeah...me, I got the pop!

Why does this remind me of the gallery and folks saying they don't get comments for the same reasons? Naaw, just my imagination, never happens....

Oh, Eowyn...I am working on a graphic with Marielle, especially for you. I even brought my "King of Egypt" character out of retirement for it. I just haven't had time to make the room that I want to put them in, in Bryce. The clown roundup took up most of my weekend....giggle.

You got your clowns back Poppi, yeeeehaawww!! Well bugger my piglets, I'm so darn crazy for ya!!! Good for you!!! Rad...rad...rad...

Yup....got 'em all back ;) LOL..I've still got "it". (Started having a mid life crisis, when I thought I lost not ONE...but TWO clowns....Doh, stupid me.) They both returned to the clown posse and are putting in hard "favor" time to make up for their lapses.

I respond if I have an answer, but I ignore those who are rude and opinionated with those who disagree with them. The number 2 post was a legit question and you answered with an insult. I hardly think that will get you any sympathy. I have nothing in the store either, yet my questions are usually answered, so I have no complaints atleast. Greywolf

Hey! I'm not a "main player", I sell nothing, and I haven't offered any free stuff in ages. I disappear for months at a time. People still answer my posts.

I normally don't like to respond to controversial posts reguarding this site, but in your case Mesh_Magick I'll make an exception!... I don't have time to read every post, and I seldom if ever bother to start a thread, every once in a while to let people know about a freebie, and one terrible experience to advertise...so if I don't answer your posts or any one elses its not because I don't know them or don't care, its because the subject didnt get my attention while I was skimming through what posts I could... I try to help when I can if its some one needing help, if you have a question and know its one I can answer, then ask me personally, im or email and I'll help all I can, but don't expect me or any one else to find every single solitary post out there and answer it, there just isnt enough time in the day unfortunatelly! As for this stupid clique thing (grrrr...mutter...mumble...*&!%$) I'm sick of hearing about it!...people become freinds and instantlly they are considered a clique, but not in a good way, its always in a bad way...WTF??? you can't have friends in this world without people assuming you're in a clique?...give it a rest...if you want friends, go make some friends for crying out loud!...maybe the reason you're so worried about these non existant cliques is because you've got such a bad attitude people don't want to be friends with you! Last but not least, be happy! you got plenty of responses, so I guess you can now give it a rest and know that people do take the time to respond to people! Oh and btw, sometimes, just because you don't see a response to some one else in the forumn, it doesnt mean that no one responded, some people (myself included) see some one asking for help and im them or email them to help out, so don't make assumptions about these things! er one last note - its attitudes like yours, added to the growing expense of offering freebies that make them become less availble...everytime I see a post like this accusing people of being greedy I come very close to yanking all my freebies, because obviouslly its more fun to gripe than it is to appreciate whats out there for you...so please don't ruin it for the quiet folks who actually appreciate all the wonderful freebies still availble, maybe you should consider posting something about the good things in this forumn rather than almost always griping, who knows maybe you'll make some friends!

There actually are a lot more friendly folks in this forum called Renderosity than unfriendly ones; it's just that sometimes the unfriendly ones tend to leave us with more "memorable" moments merely by being so "unfriendly"; and isn't that the way life is in general, we always tend to pass off a hundred nice things per day for that one prickly moment we may have....Dmentia has a good point...several.... ....now remember, you already got 42 replies to this thread so maybe the problem is solved...?

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I'm not going to say anything.

I think this forum is 100% pure entertainment!

Hey, if I know the answer, I'll try to help, no problem. That is how we all started, right? By asking.

I'm still not going to say anything.

Good.....

mesh-magick, are you answering all questions? or even some?

Where are these cliques? And how can be a part of one? I've always wanted to be in a clique, but I was never cool enough, now's my chance! But seriously, I don't understand the need for any of this, my questions get answered(ALWAYS). And by the same token if I have an answer to someone elses question, I do my best to help them, or comment on what they are doing. Renderosity is great! I just don't see the reason for any grumbling, It's an online virtual community, not a real neighborhood. People are still people even on the web. I don't see the greed, sure people are trying to sell stuff, what's wrong with that? I don't understand why this thread has gotten attention at all. Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?