Attached Link: Poser Debut - Coming February 14

WE'RE SPREADING THE 3D LOVE! ♥
On February 14 Poser Debut will be available for everyone to use. To celebrate this long-awaited launch, we're going to offer it for a limited-time introductory price of $29.99 for 3 DAYS ONLY! 

Bring Your Dreams and Fantasies to Life in 3D
Dreaming about making 3D art and animation? Learn 3D the easy way with Poser Debut. Create scenes and add, pose and animate 3D characters. Master 3D art and animation with our easy to follow, step-by-step Project Guide. Poser Debut has everything you need to get started quickly, including dozens of ready to pose characters—from cute cartoons and animals to robots and photo-realistic humans. Within minutes you can start rendering 3D scenes into gorgeous art and cool animations that will impress your family, friends, teachers and coworkers. It's easy, it's fun, it's Poser Debut.

Learn More Here:  http://poser.smithmicro.com/poser-debut/

well without more details eg it being added to the Poser Version comparison chart, why should I get it?

how does it compare to Poser 8 or Pro or even Poser 7 / PoserPro? (other than cost)

sell me here someone....

I just asked the web team - they were going to have it up for launch but they will add it to that page now - I'll let you know when it's up!

And how does this differ from, let's say, Poser 8 vanilla? I'd hate to think I paid a lot more for the same program ;o).

Laurie

Laurie - From what I recall, the difference is fairly significant - you've got a lot of awesome powerful features this doesn't.  We'll get that chart up for you quickly.

Hmm, all the reviews on that page seem to be Poser 8 . I will watch this with interest because I might just update at that intro price.

Since this is a brand new entry level product that won't launch until next week, there are no reviews for it yet.  The reviews are for the Poser brand, and we hope that this version continues to carry those same high reviews.

What version of Poser are you running markschum?  I was talking to the product manager last week about how many Poser 4-7 customers may be really excited about this product - it's a nice way to test out the newer feel and library for Poser, without the investment of Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010...while there continues to be an upgrade path from Debut to those higher versions in case you get hooked and need more power. 

Attached Link: Comparison Chart for Poser Debut

http://poser.smithmicro.com/poser-debut/#Compare

thank you. comparing it to the poser 7 & Poserpro I already have... no sale for me. no hair, matroom, rigging, displacment maps, ... I need those.

I'll skip straight to poser 8 / 2010 when I have the money.

thanks for the help!

Have I fallen into a parallel universe or something?

Another commercial post in the Poser forum.

Christ on a fucking bike.    :mad:

I'm sorry.  I thought someone might say something.  :(

Rendo will likely be posting a banner at the top of this forum as part of their affiliate program selling Poser Debut starting on Monday - I thought this was news people wanted to know about the software.  I try and only post here when there are things I think the community at large is interested in.

Things like new versions are tricky for me -

**Can I get a Moderator opinion on this? ** Should I remove my post?  Should I not post these things?

This is the Poser forum.  Smith Micro is, and always has been, welcome to post features of upcoming programs.  If you have any complaints or questions, the complaint bin starts where you click "Email" in my sigline.

Thanks Jen - I try and not be salesy.  I know the rules, so I try and walk the line.  I really don't want to upset things. 

After 10 years working with this software, I'm really damn proud we can finally put out an affordable version for people to learn on.  I think this is really going to grow this community with some new, fun faces!  I'm excited!

I hope so! 

Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all?  Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version?  

I figured with a name like debut , this would be an entry level product. I have Poser 7 so it seems like Poser 8 is my upgrade path and that not going to happen because of cost. As a hobbiest I dont see any benefit especially with the computer I am running.

It would be nice if these announcements were more clearly Smith Micro rather than figure out its not just some user spamming the forum.

It looks impressive.

Attached Link: Poser Debut compared to other versions of Poser

There are only the most basic levels of material editing in Debut as were found in Poser 4.

The intent of Debut is bring new users into the world of Poser, get them comfortable with the tools, and play, rather than have them dive in to heavy editing. Debut will handle advanced content, and render it, but editability is limited. Those that want more control will be encouraged to move into more powerful versions of Poser.

Debut is a very, very simplified version or Poser - akin to Poser 4 levels with the new UI system. Poser Debut does not include dynamic cloth or hair, the face room, talk designer, only simple controls for rendering and material editing, no rigging tools or figure set-up capability. We spent a lot of time trying to pick features that would convey the basic experience of Poser, without eroding the vlaue of Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010.

The full feature matrix linked above does a decent job of showing the differences between versions.

Debut will likely be on the shelves at Best Buy, and other traditional retailers with an agressive price designed to entice new users that have never tried or perhaps even heard of Poser. My hope is that if we find success here, we can bring in new customers for the content market that haven't already invested in Poser content - helping the aftermarket content ecosystem grow.

Cooper

Quote - I hope so! 

 

Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all?  Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version?  

maybe the mass market will buy something easier than poser9, which (extrapolating from poser8/pp2010) will be opaque to 3d neos IMVHO. as we've seen in gallery and forum posts, they're unable/unwilling to use the features that would produce professional-looking renders.  as we've seen from forensic animations/illos/ads in mass media, they're still using poser4-style renders for those.  low price tag may appeal to cash-poor/tech-savvy market.

That's actually a really awesome prospect :)  I will admit a geeky sense of glee when I walk into Microcenter and see Poser on the shelf.  :biggrin:

Sounds good to me :)

Why is SM allowed to directly commercially advertise on this forum with obvious support from the mods, while others are not allowed to do so?

Probably because it is a forum specifically dealing with the Poser application and since they created it and own it, it would appear to be highly relevant.

Now if SM were to be posting adverts every five minutes I would agree that it is not appropriate however I found this thread very informative and was glad that I read it.

Alternatively I'll be happy to start a new thread entitled, "Does any one know anything about a new entry level edition of Poser?" and efstarlet could copy/paste their messages below that?

I'm not sure.... just went through the version-table.

Of course, SM tries to push new people to Poser (which I find a good idea). I understand, that the possibilities for the Intro-"Drug" have to be limited.

The question is - will the 3D newbies they are targeting, ever understand what's really possible? I mean - if they are new to 3D - and the first thing to experience for them is limits... (It actually makes a difference whether you are rendering in 2 threads or in 12...)

Anyway - hope the thing becomes a success. Could help the whole market.

Phil, where is that thread?

Want to put copy/paste my post over there!

People complain when there is no news, like me. But I sure won't complain when there is news. I can't think of a better place to post this news than in the POSER forum. Hope they continue to do so.

Looks like they are trying to compete with DS and thier new maketing stratagy. Next will be an online version to match DAZ. LOL.

Quote - Why is SM allowed to directly commercially advertise on this forum with obvious support from the mods, while others are not allowed to do so?

Um, that might be because it's the POSER forum??

Laurie

For some reason I was under the impression that the ´owner´ cannot start a commercial thread, but someone else could, withing in limits. Must be wrong about that. I know for sure I cannot advertise any of my commercial poser stuff in this forum, even though it is the poser forum.

aeilkema -  Laurie said, this is the Poser forum. Updates and new products made by the company that makes the topic of the forum are fine. This is the best place to find out new things for Poser here in the forum.

Quote -  

• helping the aftermarket content ecosystem grow.

Cooper

Makes the content market sound like something you'd find in that bowl shoved to the back of the fridge and forgotten for months.

You know, the one that gets the "You open it. No, you open it." routine when it is found.:lol:

Poser Debut does seem like a good product to bring in new users though since the plan is to sell at the box stores also.

You know, the one that gets the "You open it. No, you open it." routine when it is found.

;-}}

Hi while i am perfectly willing to disregard the "commercial posts in the forum" aspect of this announcement,

I am very unimpressed with this "New product's"
Price ...Frankly this should be FREE!!!.
it is useless to anyone already running poser 6  or higher, but thats fine as it is for the "new" poser user
OK I know you dont make your marketing
decisions based on what "they" are doing
(D*Z) but really now ...
you have dug Poser4 out of the dumpster and re-heated in the Microwave(no pun intended) Slapped a new label on it
and are trying to serve it to unsuspecting newbies  who might be better served  if they took their  $30/$50 and Bought a few plugins for their FREE Copy of DAZ Studio 3

Not impressed  not at all.

Cheers

Been at this about 6 or so years.

Thinking back...it was about 6 months before I ventured into cloth sims. 9 months to a year before I stepped into the material room and or started editing cr2's and pp2's and pz2's etc.. Maybe two years before I got into importing and exporting objects as props, or morphs and tried rigging. Never tried the face room. Tried the hair room a couple of times and gave up. Previoysly dabbed around in Python until I recently decided to dive in head first and write a set of scripts for personal use. Still polishing those off.

This product makes sense for a complete newbie. Get them comfortable and hooked and then provide and expansion path, when they are ready for it.

Guys?  Let's move back into reality for a smidge.

Smith Micro is the company that currently owns Poser, the program that this specific forum is dedicated to.  So, allowing them to, every other year or so, make ONE thread about the product that most of the users of this forum use on a regular basis isn't just a kindly deed that us evil staff members foist upon our unsuspecting membership.  It's something that happens on every message board and forum dedicated to a software platform that the software creators/owners are aware of ACROSS THE INTERNET.  This is not a new thing.  It is a very, very old thing.

We allowed the same courtesy to E-Frontier (oddly enough, what the "ef" in "efstarlet" stands for), to Curious Labs, and, I wasn't here back then, but I'm sure that MetaCreations and Fractal Designs got some facetime on the forums.  

If you're going to get complainey that SM gets to advertise Poser in the Poser forum, and it's not fair that every merchant on the planet that makes products for Poser doesn't get to, let's do some math.  There is ONE Smith Micro company.  There are THOUSANDS of merchants.  There are legitimate avenues that one can take to advertise their products, both hosted here and not, on Renderosity that are allowed.  If you'd like more help on that, please contact a staff member.  But, seriously, complaining that the company that creates the software that this forum is dedicated to is...just silly.  Let's not get pedantic, and let's embrace the fact that there will be new software for people who may not WANT or NEED all the bells and whistles.  I will assume (please, someone at SM correct me if I'm wrong) that there will be an upgrade path to P8 or PP2010, should the user need it.

In this economy, it makes sense to create a base version with a lower price.  It does what is intended, for a small price.  This is a hobby market, yes?  $50 is a pretty decent hobby market price.  No, it's not free like DAZ Studio.  But, it's not DAZ Studio.  They are two different programs.  From two different companies.  

Now, none of this is going to make everyone happy.  But, then again, there isn't anything that can please everyone.  We all just have to hope that some people like it.

wolf, how they gonna keep poser9 price down if they can't sell this new item at low price?  previous version of this item was PFA.  this is first logical place for trial balloon IMVHO.  they'll run it up flagpole and see if response as predicted (yes).

Poser Debut looks interesting. I have used poser for years.

I for one am glad to hear SM is taking Poser back into the physical store market. Will it have the Content Tab that takes people to CP or one that brings people to Renderosity? Now THAT would be a nice boost to the content market!

Awesome question, Stevejax.

A sensible commercial and educational decision from SM. Giving lower income users a break.

Helping cut out pirating is a a positive force and will strengthen the base for a great product.

Lets have some freebee promotions to.

Well put, saibabameuk.

Quote from JenX: "Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all?  Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version?  "

There actually already  is. Igot it from rdna and it by semidieu.  I think it's called poser material manager.  It can search by name too so I can pick all the materials with skin in their name and eg change the ambient to something else, or change one of the image maps etc.  this script has saved me hours and hours of work.

Love esther

Quote - > Quote - from JenX: Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all?  Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version?  "

There actually already  is. I got it from rdna and it by semidieu.  I think it's called poser material manager.  It can search by name too so I can pick all the materials with skin in their name and eg change the ambient to something else, or change one of the image maps etc.  this script has saved me hours and hours of work.

Love esther

Poser Debute doesn't use Python Scripting though.

well we all own poser already. this new version of poser is more for our friends or maybe some DS users who want to try something new.

Love esther

Quote - wolf, how they gonna keep poser9 price down if they can't sell this new item at low price?  previous version of this item was PFA.  this is first logical place for trial balloon IMVHO.  they'll run it up flagpole and see if response as predicted (yes).

I always forget about Poser Figure Artist.  PFA was an odd departure from Poser when we were at e frontier... not the traditional Poser UI, a little different market - It was geared towards traditional artists looking for artists reference.  It was a totally new and different Poser application.  Poser Artist was the actual Poser 4 build repackaged into a new box, (this is probably what you are thinking of) and was hoping to do what Poser Debut is really actually BUILT to do...make learning 3D fun, on the newest Poser code available.

And @Jen - Yup, Poser Debut users will have an upgrade path to both Poser 8 (now the intermediate version) and Poser Pro 2010 (the advanced version) - about $35 off the regular price to offset their investment.  (Don't quote me on prices, I haven't seen the final list.)

Quote - well we all own poser already. this new version of poser is more for our friends or maybe some DS users who want to try something new.

Love esther

I think this place has a home for older Poser users.  I think there are some holdouts making excellent results on old versions of Poser (like Poser 4 and 5) that haven't needed all the fancy features they keep packing in, but who may still want the benefits of stuff like the new library and the updated code.  I do agree that this is the way to pull your friends into the addiction. ;-)  

Quote - Well we all own poser already. this new version of poser is more for our friends or maybe some DS users who want to try something new. Love esther

Yes but I was merely pointing out that the answer you gave to JenX regarding the ability to edit materials wasn't a solution to Poser Debut users. (I will be looking at it for my regular Poser use however. I didn't know it existed.)

WOW, SM is using Addy's render of my apteromata to advertise themselves.
kitty faints

I should know that Poser 8 was 'obsolete' when I actually got (someone else's) money together to get it...;)

I think it's a good idea ... but if they are feeling a bit of heat from DS, then it should be free. You can get free limited versions of Vue and other apps. IMO, that's the best way to lure new users. At any rate, it's nice to see some recognition of the fact that everyone may not need or want the more advanced features. As long as there's a generous upgrade path, they're free to move up later if they want.

I think it's a good move that's for sure, not all of us need everything Poser offers, especially not when you're starting out. This would actually be perfect for me, I only render occasionally these days, very basic stuff, don't need all the extra bells and whistles anymore. I can see how this can draw in new people trying out 3D and hobbyists with little demands.

On the other hand I agree with Wolf359..... knowing how the competition draws in new customers, by giving away their base application for free, SM should perhaps not have price taged this at all.

There's also a worrying aspect to this move, it sounds like the current customer base is not enough validate poser anymore and expansion needs to be made to ensure future development.

As for the commercial posts, while I understand the reasoning for allowing this, it still doesn't change the whole 'commercial posts not allowed' issue. We all know the cases where mods (viciously) jumped in a thread closing it because of the commercial nature. This is very typical for Rendo, some get a way with stuff, while others don't. We all get treated equally, with the exception of a number of people. Nothing new. I'll leave it at this, you either make clear rules for everyone to abide by, without exceptions, or let things be free. Not like it is now, some people seem to be above the rules and that's not good imo.

quote:- whole 'commercial posts not allowed' issue

Hi,

this has been discussed in the past.  While I was really disappointed that we can't say "hey, daz has got this or that on sale" anymore, they did clarify some time ago when this came up about what was tolerated and what wasn't.  Rendero admin stated very clearly in a previous thread that if someone had news about something that was new and highly significant to poser, even if it was a commercial product, then that would be allowed, and I think they even gave the example of a new version. They said a new V4 morph didn't count as significant.

But for just ordinary content, they reckon there is plenty and we don't need to post about it.  They will allow us to post about sales and things if somene asks about a particular product.

ie poser itself and SM are exempt.  Because it is a poser forum.  Without poser where would we be?

And they have previously clarified these points.  I wasn't happy about not being able to post about content as content is what we use all the time to make our pics, but they did explain their rules. it's their forum and their rules.

I must say, like to hear SM news.

Love esther

This looks like a great way to expand the Poser user base. It needs to be advertised to all over the Facebook universe.

:b_grin: