I moved some files out of a Runtime into another yet Poser 8's library still shows the files in the original Runtime with 0 files in it. I've checked the Runtime and the files aren't there anymore and I even deleted the Runtime and re added it, but the files still show up. How do you get rid of them so they go away?

Quote - I moved some files out of a Runtime into another yet Poser 8's library still shows the files in the original Runtime with 0 files in it. I've checked the Runtime and the files aren't there anymore and I even deleted the Runtime and re added it, but the files still show up. How do you get rid of them so they go away?

I might be able to help, but I can't decode what you're saying here.

"library still shows files .. with 0 files in it"

That is an impossible sentence to parse. Do you mean library still shows folder(s) with 0 files in it? Or do you mean library still shows the original runtime root?

If you mean it still shows the original runtime root folder or other folders, within which the files used to be, but now it shows the files are gone, but the folders are still there, isn't that exactly what you did? Didn't you leave the folders with no files in them? Did you remove that empty runtime by using the "Remove Library" button? To do so  you must first ask the library to just show that one runtime and then the "Remove Library" button will appear.

If that's not the problem, please explain exactly the full paths of the files and folders you manipulated using File Explorer, and also the full paths that the library is showing you in the tree. You can find out the true full path the Poser library is showing you by several means. However, if you have disabled them, then you have to enable them to learn the full path.

One way to know the path is to have the library option enabled for "Show Paths" as hover tips, then hover the mouse over one of the folders in the tree, and it will show a tool tip with the full path.

Another way to know the path is to have the library option enabled to show the details panel at the bottom, and then select a folder or file in the tree or list. (If you have the list visible, which you may not.) Whatever is selected, the full path is shown in the details panel, along with when the item was created and when it was last modified.

Once you know the full path of what the library is showing, and you also know the full path of what you manipulated via file manager, then you should be able to tell us how reality differs from what you thought, if that's the case. Then we can sort it out.

Because UAC can make folders appear to be in places where they don't really exist, and because you didn't tell us how you installed your main runtimes, and you didn't tell us which (main or external) you're talking about here, there are too many unknowns to give a useful answer.

BB, while we're on this subject, is there any way of better integrating the library with Windows Explorer? I'm thinking a right-click 'reveal in explorer' command would be helluva useful.

I cut the pose files out of one Runtime and pasted them into another Runtime completely.

The library on that paticular Runtime I cut the files from in Poser 8 still shows the root file as being where I cut them all from, but neither the file or  content in it isn't even there anymore. That's why I called them ghosts. I can't delete or remove what isn't even there yet acording to Poser 8's library there is a file there, but there isn't.

Imagine seeing a file in a place, but you totally removed the files, but you're still seeing them for some reason. Like a ghost physycally not there anymore, but you're seeing it still.

dogor, you must have done that in explorer. The library won't automatically update any changes you make outside of Poser, it will continue to show what was there when it loaded. If you restart Poser it loads the library afresh and the relevant folders should be empty or not there. Or you can use the refresh button next to the top-level folder.

cspear,

I don't know how the library is remembering there was these folders, but I've restarted Poser 8 many times.

Yes, I can refresh the folder and I can change Runtimes as I have multiple Runtimes and even return back to this Runtime in question, but the files are still listed.

One of the files in question is DM Alina and one other by DM I recently purchased. They're both for V3, but I accidently put them in my Victoria 4 Runtime. No big deal I just cut and pasted them in a diffrent Runtime including all files asociated with the characters, but now the Victoria 4/Pose in the library has the ghost file DM Alina in it, but the root file along with all the others aren't in that Runtime at all I've checked and rechecked they're gone to the new directory I moved them.

They just show up as files with nothing in them and I can't find any temporary folder asociated with the Library to delete any pre-load information unless it's in the registry of windows 7 or something if that's what still makes them appear in my V4 Runtime.

Just thought I'd ask if anyone knew as I would think it's happened to somebody else by now.

The Poser 8 library isn't supposed to behave like that?

What OS and where is your Content Loaded?

The external Runtimes are in an efrontier folder with Poser 7 inside the Downloads folder which is where they resided before I upgraded to Poser 8 and I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

I know in the Applications folder there is a file called 8.0 that contains the data of all the Runtimes I've added, but it doesn't show any files listed inside of the Runtimes.

I just don't get why the Poser 8 library sees files that aren't in that paticular Runtime anymore, but something about it knows they used to be there and displays them inside of Poser 8, but I can't figure out what.

I repeat, with emphasis:

Quote - If that's not the problem, please explain exactly the full paths of the files and folders you manipulated using File Explorer, and also the full paths that the library is showing you in the tree. You can find out the true full path the Poser library is showing you by several means. However, if you have disabled them, then you have to enable them to learn the full path.

 

I know this is confusing, but let me break it down and I can even post a screen print.

When I have the Poser 8 library set on my "Victoria 4 Runtime" ( I name them so I know what they contain ) in Poser 8 it shows two files in Pose that aren't in that Runtime.

I've looked in the actual Runtime itself. Those files don't exist yet Poser 8 says they do.

The actual path is C:/Programs Files (x86)/efrontier/Poser 7/Downloads/Victoria 4/Runtime/Libraries/Pose and that's what Poser is directed to when I click the "Pose" button and Poser is set to only display the Victoria 4 Runtime and the content there in.

It displays two files I am POSITIVE that I removed from that Runtime. When I go to that file in windows 7 they aren't there. When I open the Victoria 4 Runtime in Poser 8,,,,they are. Which means the Poser 8 library is seeing a file it should not see.

I don't see them anywhere, yet Poser 8 does mysteriously.

That is the only Victoria 4 Runtime on my hardrive.

If I remove many more files, I'm going to have a clutter of empty non-existant ghosts I can't remove from the Poser 8 interface after a while.

That's why I'm concerned here.

OK now I see enough to repeat:

Quote - UAC can make folders appear to be in places where they don't really exist

Go look around in

C:UsersAppDataLocalVirtualStoreProgram Filese frontierPoser 7

or similar, where is your actual login name.

Daz installers look like viruses to your operating system. They appear to be attempting to jam stuff into your Poser program. Which they are. The User Access Control (UAC) feature of your operating system is trying to "help" you by confusing the hell out of you and your software.

Any attempt to manipulate these by programs or by you while not running as administrator will result in massive confusion because things from different places virtually combined.

See also:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3367433 [Folders stay in runtime after I delete them]

And

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2769168 [Collections - saving but not displaying]

I'd still like to see what Poser claims the ghost folder paths are. You didn't show me that. You simply assumed it's what you think it is.

But I'm betting you find them in the virtual storage location.

bagginsbill,

You found it!

C;UsersAppDataLocalVirtualStoreProgramsFiles (x86)efrontierPoser 7RuntimeLibrariesPose

Inside were two files. The two that Poser 8 continued to show. I deleted them and refreshed them in the Poser 8 library and they vanished.

Thank You!

The "Ghost Busters" tune plays in my head. :)

c:Documents and SettingsUsersAppDataLocalVirtual StorePrograms Files (x86)efrontierPoser 7RuntimeLibrariesPose

is where they were hiding.

For some reason I couldn't get slashes to stay in place posting the directory on this board when I tried to correct it.

In any case, It never showed up in any searches when I searched for those files.

I can see why that would confuse the Library in Poser 8 now.

bagginsbill,

"If that's not the problem, please explain exactly the full paths of the files and folders you manipulated using File Explorer, and also the full paths that the library is showing you in the tree."

I never did that because I really don't know what your talking about. I have found nothing in Poser 8 that shows me where the files are that it displays.

Maybe you could walk me through how to turn that feature on and off or is that something that only comes with the Pro version?

And UAW is Greek to me too, I'm not fluent in windows techno talk, but I thought my question was pretty straight forward and simple to understand. You must of known the answer all along I would think.

Later,