Quote - This sounds similar to the free version of Daz Studio but if Poser Debut can't compete on that same level as the free version of Daz Studio then I'm not sure anyone is going to be interested in buying something that does less than the free version of Daz Studio.

Just based on the Poser workshops that I teach, it seems as if Poser Debut has been reduced to the bare minimums that's actually required to render decent art.  Poser itself is powerful enough to create good renders (in my opinion) with using the basics. The majority of the art in my gallery rarely goes beyond the basics (meaning no material changes or advanced lighting). Many beginners and intermediates are confused by the intermediate and advance features of Poser so maybe Smith Micro is working on a Beginner's Version of Poser?

Either way, if it falls behind the free version of Daz Studio then I don't think it will do to well. Not unless it has some really good beginner automated features. 

The first point is that being a physical edition with a price tag means that Poser Debut can reach parts that free DAZ Studio cannot - the shops! Be they high street, or Amazon. That alone takes the software to a costomer base that might otherwise never see or hear of either Poser or Studio.

You are right that they have stripped it to the basics, less a couple of basic features like displacement. But it is enough for people to get results from. The idea of course, is to provide an upgrade path to Poser 8 for those who want to take it more seriously.

So, in short, this just isn't intended to be a competitor to DAZ Studio, it is intended to introduce new customers to the software that DAZ isn't reaching. Also, if they get themselves started with Poser's interface, there's a chance they'll want to stick with it even after discovering Studio. A lot of us, though not all, who started with one interface find the other less intuitive.

I hope it works out for them and being able to upgrade for a lower price is definitely a plus so I hope they are really letting people know about that benefit as well. I currently purchase lower versions of adobe products with the goal of being able to upgrade to the product that I really want without having to hand over $600 just to get it.  So I can see where that would be of a big benefit for anyone that wants Poser but can't afford the full price of it.

Hopefully they have some artists creating sample artwork using the content that comes with Poser Debut.  There's nothing quite as disappointing as seeing V4 rendered with Poser and then expecting that the Poser content will be like that only to find out that Simon couldn't change pants. LOL. 

But whatever their marketing plan is I hope it works. I've always been a fan of Poser.

Right, Philebus. Exactly!

I think this is a good move by SM. Kids may download free software, but if they're given a packaged software for a birthday, they'll probably spend a lot more time with it. DS does fill a certain niche, but not the brick & mortar one. Also, schools may be more inclined to purchase this for Art classes, given the large amount of content provided.

I've used Poser for over 12 years, and moved over to DS for most things a long time ago. But I strongly support both DAZ and SM, and any moves they make to increase the market are welcome. I don't see this as a 'either DS or Poser' game. You can happily use both, and many people do.

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I agree with Philebus also.  If Poser Debut were provided as a framework and the missing features could be purchased as "plugins" then it would be a DAZ Studio approach.  I think it could be a great introductory tool and certainly targeted to those very unfamiliar with what all of us do on a daily basis.

I'd love to see a modular approach though and it's certainly possible with python (and to a greater extent wxpython for integration) only because these entry users are going to miss out on a lot of toys that are available from developers all around the Poserverse.  I think a lot of people would, in fact, warm up to a design that you only buy what you feel that you need, such as the hierarchy editor, animation capability, talk designer, dynamic cloth and so on.  I would also keep the application "lightweight" to some degree.  I think that you're just hearing some dissapointment because this hasn't been a road traveled yet.

Thanks for sharing more information on Debut though, it should be a good learning tool. :)

I swear, some people would bitch if they were hung with new rope. 

Do I need it?  No, I have 2010.  But now I have something to throw on my Windows box.

Obviously, this product wasn't designed for us, it appears to be designed for folks that are looking at 3d, but put off by the price tag for most of the tools.

"Try it, the first hit is only 29.99."  Quite frankly, outside of some of the cheapskates around here, this becomes an impulse purchase.  And we all know how impulse purchases work in the Poserverse.

From what I can tell, this is what I was looking for in Dec '05.   I would have probably been less frustrated with this than I was w/Poser 5.
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Well fellow creators, I purchased Poser Debut today, installed it and all the content, when I started the program my library won't show up. All I get is a white blank area where my content should be. I tried reinstalling it and no luck. I've been using Poser 5 so I thought this would be a good purchase for me also because of the movie making portion of the program, but if I can't access this library I'll be asking for my money back. Anyone have any ideas how I can get the library on screen. Thank you :)

I've purchased today.

And after payment was made with PayPal ($29.99 plus shipping cost), SM sent me a mail.

"Out of Stock" 

I can't understand why they sell with no stock without notice.

hmmm.. this sounds like a Peter Griffen moment (Family Guy) now what phrase would fit the non-working library and the out of stock purchase.

Starlitemoon, could have upgraded from Poser 5 to a higher version of Poser like 7 or 8?

ytetsu.. normally the way that online shops work is that it won't let the transaction go through if it's out of stock.  Hopefully the message of being out of Stock is wrong and that they actually have some in stock.

Quote - Well fellow creators, I purchased Poser Debut today, installed it and all the content, when I started the program my library won't show up. All I get is a white blank area where my content should be. I tried reinstalling it and no luck. I've been using Poser 5 so I thought this would be a good purchase for me also because of the movie making portion of the program, but if I can't access this library I'll be asking for my money back. Anyone have any ideas how I can get the library on screen. Thank you :)

This normally is a permission issue or Security Setting. There is a KB Article at Support.SmithMicro.com (search for Blank Library) that has several tests...

If you still have an issue, contact Support. Put Attn: John in the Subject so it comes to me.

 

Quote - I've purchased today.

And after payment was made with PayPal ($29.99 plus shipping cost), SM sent me a mail.

"Out of Stock" 

I can't understand why they sell with no stock without notice.

It says on the product page that the physical packages won't be shipping until 24 February...

Good day fellow creators. Well I managed to get Poser Debut installed and running on another computer. I still need to get it running on the computer that I do most of my work on, but one step at a time. At least we know it's not the software that is at fault.

Personally, I don't know much about the other Poser versions, but comparing to Poser 5 to Debut, if you already have Poser 8, I wouldn't even bother with Debut. Debut seems to be more for the beginner. It seems to me Debut is more like bare bones Poser meets MovieStorm, which is fine with me because I basically wanted it for movies anyway.

I think people who already own Poser 8 may be very disappointed with Debut. Sorry this is just one person's opinion and I'm not that experienced with Poser to begin with. I guess it depends on one's own choice. Sorry I can't be more help :)

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> Quote - Good day fellow creators. Well I managed to get Poser Debut installed and running on another computer. I still need to get it running on the computer that I do most of my work on, but one step at a time. At least we know it's not the software that is at fault. > > Personally, I don't know much about the other Poser versions, but comparing to Poser 5 to Debut, if you already have Poser 8, I wouldn't even bother with Debut. Debut seems to be more for the beginner. It seems to me Debut is more like bare bones Poser meets MovieStorm, which is fine with me because I basically wanted it for movies anyway. > > I think people who already own Poser 8 may be very disappointed with Debut. Sorry this is just one person's opinion and I'm not that experienced with Poser to begin with. I guess it depends on one's own choice. Sorry I can't be more help :)

Hi there - Poser Debut is not intended for customers who already own Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010.  (In fact, if you own any version of Poser, we recommend you upgrade to those versions.)  This version is intended for those brand new to the concept of creating in 3d.  This was addressed by Steve Cooper in the Poser blog here: http://blog.smithmicro.com/2011/02/10/poser-3d/the-primer-on-poser-debut/.

Well folks after a painstaking day of trying to get Debut to work on my system. I finally got together all my info and once again wrote to the support department. I must say I'm very happy with the friendly and helpful way they handled my problem. They were very patient and pleasant to talk to.

Ok, they told me that Poser Debut although compatible with XP is not compatible with Server 2002 which is the version I am running. I can't afford to buy a new computer or Windows at the moment so I will hang on to Debut till I am able to afford one or the other. They offered me a refund but I said no.

And it is not a total loss, like I said I was able to get it to work on another computer in the house so I was able to look at it and from what I've seen I'm happy with the purchase. Due to health conditions I am only able to use that computer a few minutes at a time, and a couple of minutes here and there isn't worth it to me

Ok, my opinion. It is a good program for someone who can't afford to upgrade from 5 or buy Poser 8 and who is a beginner and want to dabble in poser. If you already own Poser 8 or Pro then don't waste your money. Poser 8 I'm sure does a lot more than Debut does. So there you go folks

Hi,

 

I am very new to 3D and posers and I am thrilled to find an affordable product that will get me past the fear of trying to learn through forums. Please don't ge me wrong forums are great! I am here LOL so it has to good.

 

I downloaded Poser Debut a couple days ago. I just uploaded it and haven't even looked at it yet. I wanted to see what you all had to say first. I believe this will a wonderful learning journey and it costs less than even going to Paid Tutorial Sites where you have to classes and purchase the whole class. they can start at $49.

I am also new to Adobe Photoshop and I got the CS5 Extended and it has 3D features in there but I have no clue how to use it.

 

Without even looking I can expect to learn more than what I know now and knowledge is priceless.

 

I hope to be active here.

 

Hugs,

Ruby Rose

Welcome Ruby.  Have fun and learn. Don't be afraid to ask any question you might have.

cheers,
dr geep
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What are Debut's save/export capabilities?  Can it save to pz3?  And/or obj, 3ds, etc.?

Thanks in advance for any replies!