I'm thinking of getting a new PC and thought to do a Poser upgrade at the same time. Any idea when there might be a new release? Is it months away or weeks?

Thanks

Yes. Hahahahahahaa

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You evil man...lol.

it could be any week now, but they also hafta deal with apple giving them new tasks in re: the lion developer releases.  the other side is less active: e.g. ballmer (the guy who looks like peter boyle in "young frankenstein") may soon be eased out, due to various signs of stagnation, including "charlie brown management".  I daresay SM has no similar problems - their managers are on the ball, as always.  they may allow various hints as the day nears, within the limits of the NDA.

I predict it will be released sometime after I post this. I'm positive about it!

Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG!

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If he worked for DAZ, he'd be saying "Soon..."

Any SRs in the future?

I don't think officially SM has said anything at all about a newer version or new sr releases either.

Typically when they are quiet they are working hard though, a good sign, IMHO

When there is nothing going on, I say "There is nothing going on."

Otherwise I say "I cannot say".

See?

I see what you did there....

Quote - When there is nothing going on, I say "There is nothing going on."

Otherwise I say "I cannot say".

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Yes, that is you in your guise of Cryptic Man. You really need an avatar for that one. But I understand, you're in a tight position on this. As for me, I am saving my pennies for Poser 9, rather than getting Poser Pro 2010. :)

Quote - Yes, that is you in your guise of Cryptic Man. You really need an avatar for that one. But I understand, you're in a tight position on this. As for me, I am saving my pennies for Poser 9, rather than getting Poser Pro 2010. :)

Saving my pennies for PP201x... I so love this version, I can't even imagine what the next one will be like!

Oh, my.  I barely got PP2010 ... surely they aren't releasing 1 version every year ... are they? ??? I hope I have to wait a bit longer ... although the whole genesis thing intrigues me.  Hmmmmm.

The last thing I remember BB saying about anything Poser related is that he can't stand PP2010 anymore.  He only uses it for compatibility testing now.

You sure about that? I mean ... he's been doing some great node work and the community has been have a blast with floors and lights and textures ... he's totally involved.  If he doesn't like PP2010, it sure isn't showing.

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Yup.  He said it in response to a post from someone inquiring about V5 on this thread.

And I quote (I've highlighted the part I remember most in bold):

Quote - I and a few dozen other lucky souls have just started playing with the next iteration of Poser and I'm absolutely not allowed to say anything about it because of NDA and they are really serious about this. So all I can tell you is this:SM guys are very smart and I am impressed, not disappointed.
Talking about if/why Poser users should/would upgrade on the basis or assumption that only one new feature is offered is patently ridiculous.

I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.
Relax.

Based on that, I don't think we have anything to worry about with the next version of Poser, and will be mightily impressed with what's in store for us.

Hmmm... tried clicking on the link I referenced for the text, "this thread" and got a Forbidden error.  Here's the non-clicky version of the url:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2826341&page=1

After reading the thread further, I certainly understand BB's stand on PP2010 in comparison to the work he's doing for the next version.  That makes sence.  Just reading this as a "passing" comment was a little out of character.  No debate from me.  I'm cool with it.  So much can be misunderstood out of context.  It's all good. 

Boni

I better start saving up my old dollar bills and brass coins if there's a release in the future. Of course I'll wait til they have release an SR pack for the newest version. Then I'll get it...

mmmmwwwwaaahhhhaaahhhaaahhhaaa :lol:

Quote - After reading the thread further, I certainly understand BB's stand on PP2010 in comparison to the work he's doing for the next version.  That makes sence.  Just reading this as a "passing" comment was a little out of character.  No debate from me.  I'm cool with it.  So much can be misunderstood out of context.  It's all good. 

Boni

That's why I quoted his entire response from the other thread, to add context to his comment.

Sorry for the confusion.

Is there a date for a poser 8 SR 3.X to improve IDL with transparency before a poser 9 with a lot of bugs ?

Apparently I was not clear about how asking these questions is pointless.

Asking if there is a Poser 8 SR 3.X will get no response. This is not answerable, either. SM has been BURNED by the FURY of the Rendo forum members about lack of integrity, and they will not get in that f'ed up situation again. 

Certainly many people on this forum are civil. But enough people scream bloody murder if SM says "we plan to release X on date Y" and then the date passes and X is delayed or they find out that doing X in next release makes more sense. The community as a whole does not beat the f*** out of such people, and so since they violate no TOS, they are allowed to respond in nasty ways. They stir up a lot of resentment for the company, its managers, and the product, and it simply is not worth it. Better to say nothing at all, and leave people questioning the sense of the decision not to speak.

Yes, it leaves all the well-meaning users in the dark. SM would like to communicate with you, but it only takes a few bad apples to spoil that, and that spoilage has already happened.

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I appreciate the stance they've taken.  As a PC gamer, I'm quite used to developers replying, "It'll be done when it's done," when asked about release dates.  I think it's much better - and safer, PR-wise especially - to say nothing than to promise something and not deliver.

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Actually, I was curious about a PP 2010 SR 2.0, since it is apparently so flawed you will no longer use it, and it would be nice to see that corrected.  I had surmised by this point that P8 was about as good as it was going to be...

Apparently I will remain curious

Quote - When there is nothing going on, I say "There is nothing going on."

Otherwise I say "I cannot say".

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I would assume there's always something going on otherwise they're just sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

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Otherwise I say "I cannot say".

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I would assume there's always something going on otherwise they're just sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

Totally incorrect. The Poser product development team supports other programs besides Poser, such as Manga Studio. Developers spent time on Poser Debut, and while still Poser, this had nothing to do with making new features that I am interested in. Had you asked me about activity then, I would have said nothing is going on. And as part of SM they have even been involved in stuff that has nothing to do with 3D graphics for months at a time.

You guys are so willing to make assumptions, such that everything is so "obvious" it drives me crazy. 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - When there is nothing going on, I say "There is nothing going on."

Otherwise I say "I cannot say".

See?

 

I would assume there's always something going on otherwise they're just sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

Totally incorrect. The Poser product development team supports other programs besides Poser, such as Manga Studio. Developers spent time on Poser Debut, and while still Poser, this had nothing to do with making new features that I am interested in. Had you asked me about activity then, I would have said nothing is going on. And as part of SM they have even been involved in stuff that has nothing to do with 3D graphics for months at a time.

You guys are so willing to make assumptions, such that everything is so "obvious" it drives me crazy. 

You mean like how you assumed I was talking about them working only on Poser? You're right. I did assume that they were  working for a company that didn't require that they spend all their time working on just one program. Silly me.

Quote - I appreciate the stance they've taken.  As a PC gamer, I'm quite used to developers replying, "It'll be done when it's done," when asked about release dates.  I think it's much better - and safer, PR-wise especially - to say nothing than to promise something and not deliver.

Yeah, because a few people got a little upity that duke nukem forever took 15 years to finish, as well as other dates that are promised (usually by a guy in marketing who knows nothing about how the development is going) and slip, not releasing dates has become the norm.

Oh yeah, I just love it when they blame the customers! NOT! I have no problems with them not saying. They shouldn't say things and then back out of them. It's a poor business practice.

Well, by not saying anything, they've nothing to back out from. That's fair enough by me. So far, their development of Poser and handling of it has kept me happy - and I was interested to see the release of a Debut version (which I think is a smart marketing move).

To be honest, I'm really just fine with things as they are. What matters to me is the end result - if I'm happy with that, I'm happy. Poser 9 will be released when its ready and I'm reasonably confident that a good job will have been done - until then, I'm enjoying what I've got.

I'm just happy to know that there IS a new version coming and that developement is happening, since Poser has been through so many owners over the years. I appreciate everything that SM has done to support Poser. 

Boni

lets hope they will fix a lot of things.

-faster raytracing in general.

-better blury reflections.

-options to hide material groups for rendering(hide render,hide shadow,hide IDL). something that every render should have. Firefly doesnt have it. since material groups are based ond vertex this shouldnt be a problem. it would make dynamic clothing faster and transpmaped hair.

-beter morph brush. good for making realistic skin collision when posing. add also realism to bending of muscles.

-more soft skin(SSS)  (which we will get in poser 9 in some form).

I keep waiting for them to ask me what I want in the new version of Poser Pro.  A SmithMicro rep exchanged several e-mails with me before PPro 2010 came out, and I felt pretty impressed that someone took the time to do that.

I trust that BB is right.  The folk at SmithMicro would like to create a software product that its customers love to use.  P8 was a big improvement over P7, just as P6 was far better than P5.  I'd rather they take their time and offer me something that is substantively improved over PPro 2010 than to release an updated version that doesn't significantly outperform its predecessor.

Now, whether or not I'll have the skill to USE the program to its potential is another matter, entirely . . .

;)

I don't care how long it takes, as long as it has SSS and true fresnel I'm all good. :D

I wonder if it'll work with V5 and have tools for easy mapping of her "rigging" system... hmm.

yes a fresnel node would be great. its really crazy how many nodes you need to get good reflection.

I think there is a fresnel node, but it's unable to do what I miss in Poser...

I want that beautiful light cast on a table from a glass, or the light patterns a pool casts on walls near it...

But still, SSS is in the top of my list. I think that the lack of it is one of the things that makes a person see a Poser render and say "that's obviously Poser", no matter how realistic you manage to get it.

All I hope is that there's not a long gap between Poser 9 and the next Pro version. All I want is the Pro version.

An update to Poser 8 would be nice. It's been quite a while since the last one and there are still some bugs in there. I wish they would fix the problem with the hierarchy editor that likes to leave me in an endless loop where I can't close the damn program especially if I click on something by accident.

bill has already demonstrated how to do blurry reflections - see his floor thread.  we can't confirm that poser 8 will have any further work, even if somebody has said otherwise.   pattern so far indicates poser pro 2012.  they may begin beta testing in sept., barring unforeseen circumstances, e.g. more problems in re: cisco and cloud-computing-related setbacks.  indirect specular would do what aphro wants, but it's a non-starter - few would understand it or use it.  it's like throwing good money after bad - mr. you-know-who could add it, but the cost-benefit ratio precludes it IMVHO and it's very slow, which is why nobody would use it.

Quote - An update to Poser 8 would be nice. It's been quite a while since the last one and there are still some bugs in there. I wish they would fix the problem with the hierarchy editor that likes to leave me in an endless loop where I can't close the damn program especially if I click on something by accident.

Representatives of SM have repeatedly said that another Poser 8 SR can be expected, although it's been some time since that was last stated.  And it has been a danged long time now, since SR3.  I hope we get it.  There are numerous outstanding bugs.

IDL rendering qaulity must be improoved ,no disco ball spots ,im willing to waite how ever long it takes to make the disco ball go bye bye.

Having worked technical support for the telecoms industry for around 15 years I came to know the the process of software development quite well and the 'gating' process often used.  I also came to accept that the released dates always slip and that many of the features disappear and some 'undocumented features' pop up after release.  The number of undocumented features varied but there were generally more were seen where the product was released early thus allowing the paying customer to provide a large chunk of the field testing.  Of course some companies do this but allow the early adopters to buy a beta version at a much reduced price and a promise free or reduced upgrade to the full market product.

So what has this all to do with Poser, well I for one am happy to wait until SM are good a ready to release the next update.  Poser is one of the few peices of software that I upgrade everytime whereas some I will skip one or two updates as I do not see the extra features as being worth further expense.  I use Poser Pro 2010 due it's 64bit support and thanks to this support also built a new machine with more RAM and Windows 7 to make full use of the new update.  I wonder just what I would have to have spent ten years ago produce the renders I do today, assuming it could be purchased at any cost.  

Years ago I used to  miss what I have today while I spent so much time looking at what I might have tomorrow.   I guessed I have aged as I am now amazed at the capability and fucntionality Poser provides today for a relatively small cost and the money I spent on PP 2010 has kept me happy for the last year or more and, as I doubt I use it more than 10% of it capabilty, it will keep me occupied until the next update....whenever that might turn to be.

we're not able to say how effectively they dealt with the disco ball issue.  however, they've been aware of it for some time now. 

disco ball issue?

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Yes, a leftover from the 80's dance craze... :b_funny: