Quote - Again... I got my mac 3 weeks ago. I didnt have a choice! this machine will NOT run run Snow Leopard.

You are well and truly STUCK! This case is not your fault at all. You just need to be patient.

DAZ offers a upgrade from Bryce 7 to Carrara 8. How long is it before they give up on Bryce now?

Quote - DAZ offers a upgrade from Bryce 7 to Carrara 8. How long is it before they give up on Bryce now?

Where does it say that on the site???? I've got to see that.

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=170407&flatnum=1

 

there u go Thunderstone :-)

I must say I´m tempted

To those of you who are windows users if you didn't use a Mac you really can't point a finger at Apple for our wows. (This has nothing to do with any type of perceived war between to two operating systems. Frank I could give a care.)

The reason being is the Mac OS releases are not the same as they are on the pc side. Apple's OS updates are viewed in the Mac community as a good thing that will only make your computer work better. Apple doesn't have service pack updates. I have yet to update my Mac OS and have any serious problems with the OS. The same can be said for Lion. My computer is running better with the new OS and has new added features.

  As you have already stated the first release of your OS is always buggy and riddled with problems. Windows! Not Mac. I have been a PC user since the early 90's and felt the pain every time Microsoft did anything to their OS. This is why I use a Mac for my everyday life.

 This is not the first time that Apple has changed its architecture. It happened when Apple went from OS 9 to 10. At the time there was a transition period between Cheetah to Puma (10.0 to 10.1) before Apple stopped supporting the old software. The same thing is happing now as Apple transitions to their iOS platform.

As I have already pointed out the Mac OS has been a very stable platform. I don’t have or are having any problems with my OS. Lion has been great so far. In fact I’m really digging all the new features. There I said it twice.  The problem is and has always been with Bryce. I.e. DAZ.  There have been numerous upgrades to the Mac OS since DAZ has taken control of the Bryce program. And the software has remained buggy the whole time. DAZ even told me once that the problem would be fixed at the next OS release from Apple.

 Now that DAZ is offering Carrara 8 as an upgrade for both Bryce and Hexagon users tells me that DAZ isn’t going to be getting around to fixing the problem anytime soon. If at all for Mac users.

 So I guess we leave it there.

Time to find some new software to use.

Yes, it's the user's choice to make the leap. I don't need to worry about upgrading 100 computers, nor do most of the members of Renderosity, who are, for the most part, hobbyists. So that's pretty much a non-issue.

I too, chose to upgrade to Lion and I'm finding it to be a stable, elegant, state-of-the-art OS, that offers (if the user chooses to include the Apple trackpad) a very cool, touch-screen interface that recreates the iOS of the iPhone and iPad. Nice. Can I live without MS Word until the upgrade. Yup, I'm using Pages. Can I get along without Photoshop CS5? Don't have to. It works fine under Lion. Poser 9 for Lion, weeks away. Bryce? Don't get me started. And when the software companies begin their upgrade releases, Lion will be even better.

This discussion have nearly turned into a war over at the DAZ forum. Hope it´s not wrong of me to request that people keep it sivil.

I've been reading the heated talk over at the DAZ forum as well. 

I think you're within your rights to ask that of us. I hope so far it has been civil. It's good to hear differing points of view, even if you don't feel the same way.

I have a lot of respect for the people who attend this site.

Quote - I have a lot of respect for the people who attend this site.

As do I. Especially for Clay, whose patience has been remarkable.

Civility in all things.

Heheh I used to be moderator here, actually one of the first ones when the site was developed, so I've pretty much seen and heard it all. I myself have even ranted a few times so its no biggy, in this business its a waiting game usually.

Attached Link: Lion and Bryce

From this thread at the DAZ Bryce forum by DAZ_bfurner: My apologies for not posting in this thread earlier. We here at DAZ 3D have been very busy working on some big projects. One of which is the DAZ Studio 4 Advanced and Pro launch. It has taken all of our developers, even the team working on Bryce to wrap up the last details. No excuses are good enough however. 

I have been in discussion with our CTO, and he is committed to getting an upgrade for Bryce to run under the Lion operating system release. This should be good news for everyone. The only thing I don't know is how long it will take to update or develop. One of the developers said it should not be a huge effort, but until he dives into it it's not completely known. 

I hope this helps, and I'm very sorry for the delay in responding to each of you.

I just want to clarify, I dont take sides on PC Types or O/S Types or companys. 

Yes it is true that I currently use PC's, but before that I was big on the Commodore 64 and Amiga computers, which were unique systems.

I look at computers as tools and I just use the tool that works for me.  Nothing against Apple.

Tension will grow more now that Steve Jobs has resigned as CEO from Apple.

Im angry that Bryce dont run on my Commodore 64!:biggrin:

Try Bryce 3?

lol

You know you can still buy a new commodore 64 http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx And I still own a copy of B5. Hey I'm in business! Apple will rue the day!!!!!

I have an old one in a closet at my parents house. Casette drive and all. I don´t have any software for it tho. Maybe we should request a Bryce 7 version on casette for C64?

Ok. Who will be the one to contact DAZ about this?:scared: :lol:

I will.  But I don't think I'll be getting a quick response from them.

now now. no sarcasm :laugh:

I was laughing at this thread partly because in Susan Kitchens excellent book "Real World Bryce 4" she complains about bugs that have been in the software since version 2! I have news for her; they are still in there! Bryce is an experiment, always has been and always will be. The only thing to do is develop workarounds for the screwups and artify on.

Well. Susan, it seems is still in the Kitchen. Eh...

Microsoft is well known for breaking compatability with their own software, in Windows OS.

Attached Link: http://www.bambam131.com

Hey guys don't feel bad, I have been a devoted Bryce user for over13 years and they still very rarely will use anything that I create. I also love the fact that when you go to their so called Bryce gallery about 80% is poser based. I also asked them if you have a Bryce Gallery should it not be dedicated to the creation of Bryce work using, (dare I say) Bryce only items. There is quite a bit you can do using the Boolean objects that comes with Bryce. I do not like the fact that they show images that are primarily Poser images with just maybe a Bryce sky or terrain but everything else Poser based, this kind of takes the idea of a Bryce Gallery and throws it right out the window. I would love to see a pure Bryce Gallery but you will never find that here or at DAZ or anywhere for that matter. I don't mind you doing post work in Photoshop or using a program like Universe or Flaming Pear to create some of the background because Bryce star-fields just plan suck but at least 90% of the image has to be Bryce only and I have yet to find a real Bryce gallery. I know that their are artist here like myself that take a lot of pride in creating Bryce images using primarily just what Bryce has or what you can find that is design to be used with Bryce. This in my opinion shows ingenuity and also shows how powerful Bryce is by itself. I would love to see a Bryce gallery dedicated to say just Space Exploration, or one for just Landscapes, seascapes, or what ever but at least 90% percent of the image has to be created using only what comes with Bryce or what you can find in the free section for Bryce or Bryce add ons and especially using models created by yourself and not just something you bought from DAZ or from here. All the kudos someone gets for just placing a model that you did not create is kind of sad. The more original and creative one becomes especially creating an images using just what comes with Bryce and creating the model yourself I believe would be a lot more satisfying and would set you apart from just the average person that uses someone else's model and show a level of creativity that I think is much lacking in a lot of the pictures I see here at Renderosity. I know not everyone has the patients or creative spark but it would be nice to see images that usually get 40 to 50 comments or more to actually deserve the kudos. There are a lot of people that bust their butts to be creative and create and design everything from scratch and they get at most on a good day maybe 20 comments for work that may of taken 2 to 3 week to 2 to 3 months to create. The disparity in the amount of time and effort and creativity over some one using just stock items and then those people getting 50 or more comments is frankly disheartening because this website is turning into more of a fan site for certain bloated egos. This is sad but true and if you don't believe me take a look around and you will see what I am talking about. There are quite a view exceptional artist that hardly get any encouragement except from others of the same mind and frankly this is unfair. This is just an observation on my part but I believe that there are artist that post here that feel that same as I do. It is a shame that this site like so many others is becoming more based on popularity than the merit of their work. Oh, yes, I do understand the concept of the word (Subjective) but it does not take a genius to see the difference in creativeness and just putting together a view brightly colored objects and calling that art.

 

Regards,

David Robinson (AKA) Bambam131

Hi David,

 

I am a great admirer of you work. I understand and agree with what you've posted here for the most part. I am one who tries to create 100 present in Bryce. Bryce is not without its limitations. (Software bugs aside) I have the need to use a person or two to complete a scene. Also I would like to create what I will call vector models in Bryce. Back when DAZ was still asking for input as to what we the users would like to see in Bryce I advocated a model lab. Instead we got other (in my opinion) Useless labs.  DAZ however feels that this is what Carrara is for. (The better then Bryce app) I don’t like Carrara and find it a user UNFRIENDLY program.

 

So I have been looking (still looking) for modeling software so I can create my own models and then drop them back into Bryce to create and render the scene.

vnxnt9663  .. Have you tried Wings 3d??  It's free & easy to use.

Vue "Frontier" is on sale for $49 to members of Cornucopia3D. I thought that was a  pretty good deal since I have after more than a decade of using Bryce I have become tired of crashes, bug reports, useless mats, plants that have been in there since the dawn of time and the addition of IMHO basically silly things like the instancing lab. They obviously have no intention of simply fixing the fundamental problems and if Windows 7 would allow me to re-install Bryce 3 I would do so since I still have my original CD.

On to why I don't think Vue is such a good deal either. It is obvious that my 5 gig quad core is not adequate to the needs of the software, so to use the program to its potential  will require construction of a dedicated machine. More $$$. I didn't understand the concept of meshes that were "locked" to my license. Now I do. It means that unless you buy their "import" module for $129 you cannot use most freebies or any that are not vue format unless they were designed for vers 9. This is like buying a canvas and then finding that it will only accept dedicated oil paints conveniently available from the canvas maker for a price.

Possibly the final straw dropped this weekend when an animal model I bought on the Daz site never showed in my downloads which required a formal fix request to Daz. Surprisingly they answered on Saturday but the mesh was in mac format and I run pc. The gentleman at Daz informed me that as a courtesy he would change the download format so as to be usable but that he was not required to do so. Excuse me? You are going to provide me with what I paid for as "a courtesy"?

So is time for 'new' software? I dont think so. More likely it is time for 'no' software.

 

Mike

Isn't that funny, in all the years I used B4 I don't recall it ever crashing.

 I did try B5,5.5 and 6 though didn't see any usefull features (for me anyway) and they all ran much slower. I think I'm right in saying, the bryce code is the limiting factor in its development and I would think DAZ would prefer people to move to Carrara.

It is the boolean king, and bambam's fine work is testament to that, though it can be limiting at smaller scales

Things change, try a different software, a different medium - as long as you can express what you need to - the tools are of no consiquence.

 

Ravyns yes I have tried wings. Look at my gallery to see. It also has a lot of limitation. I need something more roboost that doesn't cost over a thousand dollars.

What are the limitations?

The interface. There isn't one. The program is work in progress. It's hard to navigate around and I'm not sure but I don't remember if there ara any tutorials. I guess I need to check it out again.

Quote - The interface. There isn't one. The program is work in progress. It's hard to navigate around and I'm not sure but I don't remember if there ara any tutorials. I guess I need to check it out again.

Whats your view on blender then?

I'm thinking of trying Google Sketchup, seems something even I could figure out.  I've tried wings but since I dont understand all the terminology its hard for me to use.

Quote - I'm thinking of trying Google Sketchup

well best of luck with that. From a modeling point of view there is very little difference between the apps, whether you spend money or not. The terminoligy may be different, but if you watch anyone who's any good at it you'll see they use very few tools - its not as daunting as you may think.

" its not as daunting as you may think"

Do they have a large print version for us old guys?

It's not so much the terms. I know that. With Wings it's the fact that there isn't a GUI interface. I'm never sure if what I'm doing is correct. Especially when the program is not doing what I want it to do. I haven't play with the google app yet. I've looked into Bender. I know it's open source. I found it a bit overwhelming. Mainly. I just need a good tut.

Vue 9 Pro Studio just went on sale in preparation for the Vue 10 roll out.

Quote - Ravyns yes I have tried wings. Look at my gallery to see. It also has a lot of limitation. I need something more roboost that doesn't cost over a thousand dollars.

With respect to modeling on the mac, I've tried Silo 3D, Wings 3D, Cheetah 3D, Google Sketchup, Modo, Hexagon and Blender.  My favorite of all these was Silo3D, and that's what I've been using.  It felt extremely intuitive and easy to use.  I prefer having keyboard shortcuts for almost everything since it really speeds up the creative process and Silo (along with several if not most of the others) allows me to configure my own preferred setup.  It occasionally has stability issues, but I'm pretty careful when it comes to making copies and backups so it hasn't been a problem.  Please be aware Silo has no internal renderer.

Vue and Bryce aren't modeling programs, so it's better to have the right tool, a modeling program, for the job.  It's cool that people are able to psuedo-model some amazingly creative stuff with terrains, but Vue and Bryce are landscape/environment generating programs by nature.

It's interesting to hear someone mention their kickass machine was unable to run Vue; I've had all sorts of speed and stability issues with Vue in the past and basically stopped at Vue 7 Infinite.  Sad, too, because its renders look incredibly good.

It sucks that Bryce 7 won't run on Lion but that is one of the drawbacks of moving to a new OS.  One of my favorite music plugins didn't make the jump from PPC to Intel and I was extremely disappointed.  I had to find a substitute for that plugin and once I did, my frustration and disappointment (slowly) faded away.  That's progress for you.

LH

lhumungus thanks for the comments you left in my gallery. I agree with your comment regarding the lighting in the one scene. If you read my posts lighting is one of those areas I'm constantly working on. As to your remarks about Bryce not being a true (my words not yours) modeling program. I agree. That was an is why I've been searching for a program that would complement Bryce. I refuse to abandon Bryce. I'm a little hopeful that DAZ is working on a fix for Lion. If what I read over at DAZ is true. That being said, even if I can't create true models with Bryce I can a least texture them, arrange the scene in a realistic environment with out having to worry about XY or Z coordinates well I struggle with lighting and atmosphere. Silo is some thing to check out next. The gods willing I'll still be Brycing.

I got Bryce because Wings doesn't render. Unfortunately, I've yet to get a decent scene for my gallery because Bryce keeps crashing.

And vncnt9663.. I really liked the Smuckers image. Had my favorite Cherry preserves in it.. 

Thanks. I modeled the jar with wings. There are some other items in the scene I did in wings as well. I get a little frustrated with wings at times. Mostly when it won't do what I want it do.