Ok, folks, this needs to stop.  

We're all grown ups.  But, whenever DAZ is brought up, this place turns into a bar on Football night with two big groups rooting for each team.  I get that there are long-term customers who are exclusive Poser users who are upset with the direction things seem to be moving.  You have every right to feel your feelings.  However, we here at Renderosity can't do anything about it.  Getting over upset about it won't do anything but make other people upset at you, and...well, then we're off topic and attacking someone.

And on the other side...we also get that there are people who see the directions DAZ is going in as necessary, growth creating, and the best way forward.  You have every right to have that opinion.  And we shouldn't be attempting to force people into changing that opinion simply because this is the Poser forum.

And the attacks in BOTH directions have GOT TO STOP.  They are no longer [ ] this close to being personal attacks.  THEY ARE PERSONAL ATTACKS.  And they need to stop.  NOW.  Because we WILL be handing out warnings from now on.  If a post makes you angry, get away from the computer, and walk away.  Get away from the thread.  Do not take it personal.  In short, don't be this guy:

Jeni

edited for clarity

And for your next trick, World Peace ?

I agree with you, Jeni. Arguing over this stuff is non-productive and a waste of energy. I'm as guilty - if not more than guilty - of this than anyone. I'm done, I promise. The subject comes up, I walk away.

Hugs,
Robyn

Aww, c'mon, how else can a guy talk about corporations sacrificing newborn infants on the great altar of Victoria Strabismus abs Templum ab Gladius? 

I even got the scene all staked out and half-written! I got Hollywood on the phone here!

(cue Cartman voice)

'yer breakin' my balls, Jen... breakin' my balls here.' :)

hey Tom.

how about dropping the smartass act and following the rules for once? you'd expect the same at the forums you help at, so why act up here? hmm?

not that I expect a straight answer from you, but how about for once just doing what your asked to?

It was a joke! 

Geez. Tough crowd. Thank Heaven for the two-drink minimum... waitress!

(edited to remove a piece, just to soften the tone a touch.)

Quote - Aww, c'mon, how else can a guy talk about corporations sacrificing newborn infants on the great altar of Victoria Strabismus abs Templum ab Gladius? 

I even got the scene all staked out and half-written! I got Hollywood on the phone here!

(cue Cartman voice)

'yer breakin' my balls, Jen... breakin' my balls here.' :)

We give everyone a blog.  I suggest you take it there.

no, jokes are Funny

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We give everyone a blog.  I suggest you take it there.

Umm, nah. Last time I did that, it took down one Poser-centric forum, launched a different one on daz3d.com (no, not in that order), and drove multiple merchants to tears and rage.

I'm a kinder, gentler a-hole now.  Heck, I'm even a nice one on occasion (just don't tell anybody). 

Now don't you worry - I'll behave, n' stuff. 

Oh, wait - you meant a blog here...

Let me think about that.

Here's a novel idea: why don't Poser users post in this forum, and D|S users post in that forum? I mean no one wants to hear about MAX in the Cinema forum. True, D|S and Poser are somewhat linked, but diverging more and more.

And if you see something you don't like? Want to do the worst thing possible to that post? Ignore it. Guaranteed way to not make yourself look silly, and discourages further incursions.

Of course, all of you know this already. Easier said than done sort of thing. If you must, type it out in notepad, then delete. Have a rant on FB. Tell your dog (or kitty) all about it. Better yet, dive into your platform of choice and create something.

For gosh sakes, this isn't important enough to get stressed out. No one is bleeding.

I betcha lots of folks who are Prime members here are also Platinum Club members there. Daz sells lots of good stuff for Poser. Rendo vendors are starting to sell products compatible with Genesis. A lot of us Poser users shop at both markets. It would be a poorer 3D world if either marketplace were to go away. I'm still mourning Aery Soul.

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And if you see something you don't like? Want to do the worst thing possible to that post? Ignore it. Guaranteed way to not make yourself look silly, and discourages further incursions.

Sound advice indeed. :)

Quote - Here's a novel idea: why don't Poser users post in this forum, and D|S users post in that forum?

What about people like myself who use DAZ Studio and Poser?

Coldrake

Ditto. I use both too. And Carrara. And Vue.

And what about the mass amount of Poser users who post on the Daz forums? Should they be locked out because they use different apps?

I have to say that I enjoyed the locked V5 thread. It was very interesting to read.

Especially Penguinisto's, Coldrake's and Wolf's posts. They were the sound of reason lol

Quote - Here's a novel idea: why don't Poser users post in this forum, and D|S users post in that forum? I mean no one wants to hear about MAX in the Cinema forum. True, D|S and Poser are somewhat linked, but diverging more and more.

And if you see something you don't like? Want to do the worst thing possible to that post? Ignore it. Guaranteed way to not make yourself look silly, and discourages further incursions.

Of course, all of you know this already. Easier said than done sort of thing. If you must, type it out in notepad, then delete. Have a rant on FB. Tell your dog (or kitty) all about it. Better yet, dive into your platform of choice and create something.

For gosh sakes, this isn't important enough to get stressed out. No one is bleeding.

While it would cut down on the fighting in this forum, the simple fact is, many users use both, and many future new users will use both.  If a new member posts a question on how to export V5 into Poser, will we run them out on the rails (face it, no one uses the search function, and YES, it IS useful, it's just not google)?  That's not what we're about AT ALL.  

I agree that it's less important to avoid arguments, and the best way is to ignore things that you might disagree with.  I've asked for that several times over, and it's come to the point where it's apparent people don't listen to requests so I have to kind of make demands and be the bad guy.  It's ok, I'm used to it.  Your alternate suggestions are also REALLY good.  It gets the stress out, and it doesn't break a fight out here.

Attached Link: Alfa Seed - Formery Aery Soul

Excellent point.  We have a lot more in common than we all think.

(Also, Aery Soul has changed their name to Alfa Seed, and mostly sell at RDNA now ;) )

Quote - Ditto. I use both too. And Carrara. And Vue.

And what about the mass amount of Poser users who post on the Daz forums? Should they be locked out because they use different apps?

I have to say that I enjoyed the locked V5 thread. It was very interesting to read.

Especially Penguinisto's, Coldrake's and Wolf's posts. They were the sound of reason lol

TBH, the main reason I locked it last night is because most of the inflammatory posts (from both sides of this argument!) happen while staff on this side of the world are asleep and the mod on the other side of the world is at work.  And, frankly, no staff member should have to watch a thread intently to make sure no one's lobbing attacks, especially in a forum of (mainly) adults.  

What have I said in the past?  Poser (and D|S) is a bit of software for making pictures.

What in the world is there to get worked up about?

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Thanks, I did see Alfa Seed at RDNA and it was obvious it was connected to the old Aery Soul (the style of products, use of Alice as the model). But it seems to be only new products. The old Aery Soul catalog (which included lots of cool free stuff) is gone. Maybe there is some legal reason they can't offer those any more, or perhaps they chose to start fresh and build a new catalog. I wonder if there will be any Alice updates at Alfa Seed.

I tried DS but just can't get used to the interface and stuff, despite it's free (or something) I'm still gonna stick to my Poser Pro.

I'm halting all of my future purchases at the moment as the news of Vicky 5 release is near.

I hope Vicky 5 works in Poser, however I have so much stuff for V4 and even for poor old V3, I could never buy another thing and I would be set for life.

P.S: don't interpret my silence as acceptation or caving in or agreement; it is simply utter disgust.

I see no reason for any bashing, people can vote with their purse for what they desire and they can be sure that the companies will listen.

That's the same way I feel. Thanks for making my point Sam. Makes no sense to fight about such a silly thing.The other endlessly repeating thread regards Vicky 1,2,3, 4 vs. OTHERS.We've seen these threads pop up endlessly. Just do a search

What have I said in the past?  Poser (and D|S) is a bit of software for making pictures.

What in the world is there to get worked up about?

Damn, I always miss the good stuff.

I use both Poser and Daz for many, many years. I'm just not as active as I once was and I certainly don't need anymore new Vicky's or Mike's lol.  Dont care how many new versions come out.

shrugs.

Quote - I tried DS but just can't get used to the interface and stuff, despite it's free (or something) I'm still gonna stick to my Poser Pro.

I'm halting all of my future purchases at the moment as the news of Vicky 5 release is near.

The new interface does have different options - a couple are pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUKSB0iL2k0

Kevin

Yup, what Sam said.

I've always wondered why people get so worked up about platforms and render engines. The only thing I can come up with is that they've sunk a chunk of money in one, and feel they have to defend their decision. When you think about it, isn't what comes out the other end of whatever you use more important?

Quote - ...I certainly don't need anymore new Vicky's or Mike's lol.

V5 is the definitely, absolutely, positively the last figure you'll ever need... till V6 arrives. :biggrin:

Actually can't talk about poser without DS anymore as we will be using DS to move the V5s etc into poser (yes I know some of you won't use V5 ever but I will)

Love esther

...and I am so sorry meanwhile that I did not make bookmarks to some threads when V3 and V4 came out because the tenor was always the same: She is butt-ugly, I will never-ever use her! And yes, that's what we see in the galleries

@SaintFox:

The more things change, the more they stay the same... ;)

(...and if you look at the V2-V3 threads way the hell back when... )

I know! :laugh: So you found them? Be sure to make bookmarks for linking to them as soon as the same things starts again.

 I always knew that televising the revolution was a bad idea. 

it isn't daz vs poser anymore, it is against opensource Blender.

No, seriously i think it will be DS vs poser because the V5 is being released soon ( i think within days). there will be some special sale bundle price and all the add-ons on special sale etc, and then the poser people will either spend money on something they can't use, or madly curse as they see beautiful DS renders of V5 and think they might buy her later if the exporter ever dose come.

I think the swearing and the tears and the "well it's all one company's fault" or "you should blame the other company" or "it will never work in poser. I told you so" etc, or "we can make a better model out of allyson with a great texture and a few morphs" (insert fairly uninspiring render here)

is going to happen again but even worse than ever.

Love esther

I sure hope they bring out that exporter soon but it doesn't look like they will.

Love esther

PS the only comforting thing is when I go to the DAZ forums commons half the renders of V5 they have posted just show up as a line of html text and I can't see the pic at all.

Quote - PS the only comforting thing is when I go to the DAZ forums commons half the renders of V5 they have posted just show up as a line of html text and I can't see the pic at all.

That happens if you are not logged in.

They changed it recently, because people who were not logged in were seeing nudity and griping about it.  So now, if you're not logged in, you don't see the images.

They changed it recently, because people who were not logged in were seeing nudity and griping about it.

Really? But those people are aware that these are 3d-models?! Seems they do never makeany kind of google-search and run into a nasty site by accident... Kind of naive IMHO :laugh:*

"No, seriously i think it will be DS vs poser because the V5 is being released soon ( i think within days). there will be some special sale bundle price and all the add-ons on special sale etc, and then the poser people will either spend money on something they can't use, or madly curse as they see beautiful DS renders of V5 and think they might buy her later if the exporter ever dose come.

I think the swearing and the tears and the "well it's all one company's fault" or "you should blame the other company" or "it will never work in poser. I told you so" etc, or "we can make a better model out of allyson with a great texture and a few morphs" (insert fairly uninspiring render here)

is going to happen again but even worse than ever.

Love esther"

V5 OFFICIALLY RELEASED TODAY FOR DAZ STUDIO

 edit For platnunim clubbers only right now!!

Enjoy!!!

Cheers

Can we please keep this to the original topic?  This is NOT about announcing figures.  This is NOT about arguing about programs.  This is basically me ASKING YOU GUYS TO ACT LIKE ADULTS IN THE FORUM.  If you can't do that, this is not the place for you.

Quote - They changed it recently, because people who were not logged in were seeing nudity and griping about it.

Really? But those people are aware that these are 3d-models?! Seems they do never makeany kind of google-search and run into a nasty site by accident... Kind of naive IMHO :laugh:*

Well, you do know that the last thing some folks want their kids to see is a bunch of naked Cartesian coordinates. That kind of thing can lead to perversions like String Theory, you know.

LOL So Barbie is meanwhile sold with a painted-on bikini?

I've been checking Daz website regarding V5 and been thinking, in order to own Victoria 5 and make it work in Poser Pro 2012, I have to purchase Platinum Club membership, V5 package and Daz Studio (whichever version) and other various background support softwares, even that V5 still won't work properly in Poser.  So what are the Daz developers up to?

I do not think that you need a Platinum Club membership. It's normal that the new figures are available a bit earlier (and with a discount) for Platinum Club Members. As far as I know the discount for PC-Members will last until October 31 - so there's a good chance that V5 is available to the public (and the full price) at November 1. That's just a guess but usually it has been that way with the difference that the basic figure (without morphs) was available for far less (wasn't V4 free for PC members?).

But if you just want V5 and nothing else there is no reason to get a PC membership (although new members get a 30$ voucher when they sign up bevor the PC anniversary is over).

I myself would really like to make use of the discount (I am a PC member) but on the other hand may end up with wasted money if V5 does not work fully in Poser (sooner or later). I bought DS3 Advanced and never really got it to work flawless although I picked up all the updates and tried each and everything recommended in forums. So it may be understandable that I really regret the money spent on it and on several add-ons. Yes, I know - the money back-guarantee...

But I so much hoped that the problems where ironed out sooner or later. Instead DS4 was created - that I skipped (beside the free version) as more as I can't afford to buy all the extras that will give me results I am used to from Poser.

I have Platinum Club membership as well, but so far I don't like what I see regarding Victoria 5 and all that troubles just to get it to work in Poser, IMO it's just too expensive unless they produce a Poser compatible version. I've tried the free version of Daz Studio before, never quite liked it.

There's one more thing, is V5 based on the Genesis figure? If so then V5 certainly will not work in Poser, since Genesis is a Daz Studio exclusive figure and so are its derived figures as well.

If Jen will allow me a clarification post: you do not need to buy DS4 - the free version* has the CR2 exporter that will output a weight-mapped Genesis figure for use in Poser (with limitations, and currently base figure and not clothing or other conformers). There's a long thread at DAZ on the CR2 exporter for additional details. currently free, not sure if the long-term free version that's meant to replace it will have the CR2 exporter

Absolutely, Richard!  Thank you for the clarification!  I'd rather clear truth from the horse's mouth (well, the cat's anyway :biggrin:) than speculation any day!  

I am following the mentioned thread and of course picked up the free DS4 version as soon as I got the notification. I even bought a set of morphs for Genesis because I hoped for a solution to use Genesis in Poser sooner or later.

But spending any more has to wait until V5 or any other variation of Genesis works flawless in Poser, with clothes. I can see the differences between the programs (Subdivision in this case) but my artistic and commercial works is highly bound to Poser materials and the classic dynamic clothes that can be created from any object with a suitable mesh that you have or create.