Very cool stuff!

lmk

Glad it brings a little fun :). Hope I can put it back hereon rendo soon. With a refit bodysuit for cross figure fitting, there seems to be copyright issues if one is using certain modeller operations, unfortuantely. i have opened a thread on daz and emailed their staff for clarification. I had thought of adding such a bodysuit to the final version but it currently looks this is not allowed. But I will hopefully be allowed to add a tutorial how to make such a thing for personal use.

We will need custom morphs for V4 most probably. Afrodite-Ohki's version should be fine, DAZ will never agree to a shrink-wrapped conversion mesh. You would have to hard-code that into PML, but why bother? An Antonia-Morph for V4 will fix the thing as well, DAZ shoud not have problems with that. 

Well, after playing a bit, I just have to ask now if a feature implemenation is possible in the refitter.  Is it possible to exclude bodyparts to be refitted on the target figure?  Example, extra movement bones, etc.  I'm kind of doubting it's possible, but thought it wouldn't hurt to ask.

:D

Do you mean exclude them during comparison of cloth and figure or during morph creation?

e.g. To exclude feet to avoid having the toe shape disturb the result? There is a button where you can select actors to ignore.

if its for the morph itself then no, but you can delte the morph on the actors where you do not want it with the poser ui?

Quote - DAZ will never agree to a shrink-wrapped conversion mesh. You would have to hard-code that into PML, but why bother?

What if such a mesh were encrypted and only the script or program could decrypt it? 

lmk

humm, I'm thinking that if a set of "bodysuits" were created to be tight fitting but NOT COPIES of the various figure shapes converstions might be possible. Heck the way the auto-fit works you would have to do this so that the "bodysuits" were created from matching meshes, I think. And since they were all original creations just in the general shape of the figures I can;t see that this would violate any copyrights, heck if it did then people would be raising heck everytime merchants come out with similair looking clothing.

Of course I'm no lawyer so this is just a personal opinion

I think we are doomed onthis. Whats left is to be able to create these suits in a generic way that doesnt depend on the explicit figure. But i have given up for the moment, i will put what i can into rc2 and hope to distribute that on sunday. I will add a script to dump morphs as .injection pose and to import them back. For cross fitting, a tutorial will be added, but i do not need a war with those companies insisting on their stupid copyright practices. On one handi understand their concerns. They try to battle thieves whichexploit the rules to create a somewhat copy of whatever. On theother hand, they also blockthose who want to see their economy systemflourish

At any rate the body suit idea can always be sold/given as freebies seperately. It should work with the current program since we are just looking at basically what the auto-fit does now, convert identical mesh to differing shapes. The worst part may be that the clothing item needs to be scaled up slightly to fit over and minor differences in the shape of the bodysuit from the actual figure. Leaving off the head. hands and feet (or making the feet with no distict toes) would proably work best.

At any ratre, I agree with CC this is probably a subject best followed up after the intial release. That way more time can be made to contat the various figure owners and get tehir opinions, without holding up the launch of a great product.

"if its for the morph itself then no, but you can delte the morph on the actors where you do not want it with the poser ui?"

Duh  That's to simple to do, didn't even occur to me to think of it. LOL

Quote - I think we are doomed onthis. Whats left is to be able to create these suits in a generic way that doesnt depend on the explicit figure. But i have given up for the moment, i will put what i can into rc2 and hope to distribute that on sunday. I will add a script to dump morphs as .injection pose and to import them back. For cross fitting, a tutorial will be added, but i do not need a war with those companies insisting on their stupid copyright practices. On one handi understand their concerns. They try to battle thieves whichexploit the rules to create a somewhat copy of whatever. On theother hand, they also blockthose who want to see their economy systemflourish

I can't see how the initial idea of making a morph INJ for V4 to have Antonia's shape could be against anything. We have always been allowed to distribute custom full body morphs for V4 as long as they're not in .obj or .cr2 format - and Antonia's license is quite free and wouldn't have anything against that.

I wonder if you could use signed distance fields and voxels to derive the shape of the mesh without running into difficulties with Daz.  :unsure:  Not quite the same as a shrink wrap deformer, but it would still be an automated process. 

Based on the discussion in the weight map pose thread, IIRC the Daz policy is that the use of the basic V4 shape would be permissable if a user had developed a mesh with that same basic shape manually.  If you build the mesh "by hand", it's okay.  If any automated process is used, not okay.  Or such is the understanding I came away with.  :unsure:  Seems like a somewhat weird distinction, to me.  :lol:

Quote - I can't see how the initial idea of making a morph INJ for V4 to have Antonia's shape could be against anything. We have always been allowed to distribute custom full body morphs for V4 as long as they're not in .obj or .cr2 format - and Antonia's license is quite free and wouldn't have anything against that.

Ooh.  Building on that idea, what if the "body suit" mesh had the default Antonia shape, and the V4 shape for the mesh was distributed as a morph?

lmk

I'm willing to bet that would be less exact and "pretty" than the manual morph I'm working on (and paused until we solve those possible legal issues).

I didn't mean to muddy the water, just thinking around the edges of the box.

I am not sure if I have followed the twists and turns exactly right. If an Antonia morph of V4 is needed, then Grotto's Insectoid, is a full-body morph for M4 sold here at Renderosity. The distribution of this product is legal. How could an Antonia morph for V4 be any different?

If a V4 morph for Antonia is needed, a faily exact shape of V4 is programmed into CrossDresser and Wardrobe Wizard, but not the actual golygons. If the shape (form) of V4 is needed to esentially do the same thing with PML, what is the difference?

I hope we don't need to hire a lawyer to figure this out.

lmk

That was exactly my point. ;)

I agree with Afrodite-Ohki that a good hand-shaped morph would most probably give a better quality. Also, there is still no copyright problem in doing an Antonia morph for V4, since Antonia uses an open licence. What is the problem here? If you don't want to use V4, you can easily transform Antonia to V4 with the Refitter as well, and start converting clothes without a V4 in the scene.

Seriously, are there any drawbacks in using the mesh which most clothes were made for?

Release Candidate #2 on sunday. I added an injection pose writer, which can also write superconforming code. Then one can easily create an superconforming morph from the result of the refitter. Also, the injection pose can be used to save the morph on disc, as pml suggests its better to copy a morph into a productive figure rather than working with the figure that was used to make the morph, there is now an easy way to do so. E.g. for the less supported elite morphs, I made a superconforming fix morph in  very short time

The manual draft is here:

here

I eagerly await the release of morphloader for Poser Pro 2012 64 so I can create JCMs in Zbrush 4.R2.

Zbrush 4.R2 removes extra vertices before it loads objects. Will this create problems?

Paloth, I think there is no problem in zbrush 4 rc2.

Joe, cool :D

I have the RC2 done (or hope I am done)! That will hopefully be the final thing.

Who could me really help now is

• someone who is somewhat used to injection poses (e.g. made custom morphs for V4 or such which were distributed as injection poses)

• and someone who made cloth items with an older version of pml. I would love to know if the injection pose approach can be a good thing for the workflow.

• and one more who is using or has a copy of Poser 9.

If you approve, the thing is finished ;)

The RC2 has an injection pose write/reader contained which the RC1 did not have, also there is a small bug fix for the refitter with regard to 2-point-polygons (do not ask me where those came from). The injection pose maker can for example create a superconformer for a morph the refit tool made.

mail at colorcurvature.com

"* and someone who made cloth items with an older version of pml. I would love to know if the injection pose approach can be a good thing for the workflow."

Could well be. Specially for a character who, like Aery Soul's Alice, has its own JCMs. Besides, one could make a Full Body Morph (even at zero pose) and use PML for the injections just for the sake of simplicity.

Hm. I justed all the DAZ gen4 morphs seem to exist in genesis when it is exported from DAZ. but they are hidden. i will try to unlock :D

I dialed genesis to M4, and positioned it directly onto an original M4. So I use genesis as a cloth of M4.

Then dialed a M4 morph, and transferred that into the genesis:

Haha, its all in there.  And I guess this doesnt even violate any TOS. At least I hope, lol.

Who would have thought of autofitting joint centers?

Will this work on the Mac version of PP2012? In 64-bit mode? I haven't been following this religiously so I'm not sure if this is tKinter or wx python. The former doesn't work in Mac 64, as SM has informed us in a line buried in the PP2012 readme.. Netherworks has recompiled his commercial products with wx python to avoid the whole tKinter mess.

Quote - Hm. I justed all the DAZ gen4 morphs seem to exist in genesis when it is exported from DAZ. but they are hidden. i will try to unlock :D

I had noticed the dials on my exported figure, but they didn't seem to do anything...

revelutionary work as always!!!!!

Bravo!!!!!!

i cant wait for the new version!!!!

thank you:)

Any idea when this might be ready?

heres what i did, i have refit clothing and hair made for V4 to my M4 Nevil!!!!

As you can see the morphs still working,and the refit is great!!!

i cant stop playing:)))

thank you for adding the refit tool as well, and the motph part working perfect too:)

Love it:)

Hey Jo, he looks so cute in that blouse!

snigger

Can the morphs be saved?

While we wait, here is a freebie to PML I will put on my homepage at the weekend: The refit of joint centers. It can re-align the joint centers to a morph. This figure here will not bend, as my M4 is not converted to weightmaps yet. But if it would be, then it should be somewhat bendable.

Edit: This is M4 morphed to K4. Sort of a "poor genesis" for generation 4, which has more polygons, so maybe there might be a usecase for this. The script can be executed during "teach" mode of the morph, thus slaving the joints to the FBM along with the morph itself. That means, the morph can be dialed like wanted and the joint centers will follow.

Quote - * and one more who is using or has a copy of Poser 9.

 

I have P9 :)  This is all a little stretch for me, but if you tell me what you need, I will give it a go!

Here is joint-refitter in action on a weight-mapped M4. Weight map allows bending.

The JCMs of course only work on best on the original figure. But still its ok, on the first impression?

So I am wondering: If a figure is really weight-mapped well, without needing too many JCM's... then you can easiliy just genesis-ify it...?

Looking good!

Will the joint-refitter work on non-weight-mapped figures?

Probably not, but with the announced SP1 there will be an easy way to change a figure to weight maps with a Python script, as PhilC wrote. Please note that this is a simple conversion based on the previous rig, this won't result in better bending. But it will work with the joint-refitter.

Thing is, I don't use Poser tools to render things for me, I use Poser tools to make content to sell. ;) Not everyone bought P9/PP2012.