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Subject: V4-WM is Here!


Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:11 PM · edited Thu, 14 November 2024 at 9:51 AM

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Mike (Phantom3D) and Cage and their team have been working like crazy to finish a weight mapped version of V4.  I thought I'd share some test renders since it's out of Beta and almost ready for distribution.  I encourage other beta testers to share renders here as well.

First I want to show how the breast bones work. This render shows V4 with an NGM morph and her arms down.  Next I'll post a render with her arms up so you can see the movement by opening the images in different tabs.




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Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:14 PM

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Here's the arms up render.

Mike and Cage have really outdone themselves with this figure.  They've re-rigged her and given her extra bones for better bending. I'd say she bends almost as good as Antonia-WM which is really amazing when compared to how the basic V4 bends.




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LaurieA ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:19 PM · edited Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:20 PM

How hard is it to get the new rigging into V4? Sorta simple or lots of hoop jumping? LOL

Laurie



Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:23 PM · edited Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:30 PM

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Another render.  There are no correction morphs used. Just bending :)




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Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:26 PM

Quote - How hard is it to get the new rigging into V4? Sorta simple or lots of hoop jumping? LOL

Laurie

Through a script that's done by Cage.  Simply select your figure and the weight pose and helper bones that come with the pack.  The script does all the work and you're left with a fully weight mapped V4 in your scene :)  It's really simple and quick.




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RobynsVeil ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 4:28 PM

3 steps, Laurie.

Unzip file
Move runtime folder to where V4 files live
Run script

😄

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LaurieA ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 5:07 PM

Wow..that's cool   Just one more reason I can't wait until I get my very own copy of Poser Pro 2012...lol.

Laurie



lkendall ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 5:33 PM

Just to be clear, this conversion will work in Poser 9, and PoserPro 2012.

The task of staying within the limits set by DAZ3D, so as to protect their intellectual property, required a lot of creativity, and made this project particularly difficult. But it was felt that Poser users deserve figures that take advantage of the full feature set of P9/PP2012. Many Poser people have a large investment in V4, and V4~WM is another compelling reason to update to Poser 9 and PoserPro 2012.

A great deal of work has been put into making sure that things work as simply as possible. The V4~WM Crew at PoserPlace has put an heroic amount of effort into this project on behalf of the entire Poser Community, and they deserve a big round of applause!

lmk

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wimvdb ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 5:58 PM

One quick question - How easy is it to convert the existing clothing to the V4M version?


Glitterati3D ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:06 PM

Quote - One quick question - How easy is it to convert the existing clothing to the V4M version?

Exactly the same as converting clothing to the Antonia WM version.

About 5 steps.

If you need those instructions, let me know.


Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:08 PM

Quote - One quick question - How easy is it to convert the existing clothing to the V4M version?

You can use Cage's script on clothing but the results have been very varied.  The team is working on a script however to convert existing clothing for V4-WM.  I believe they did something similar with AntoniaWM.  The pack also comes with a clothing set so you can have her in some clothing from the get go :)




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RobynsVeil ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:13 PM

Quote - > Quote - One quick question - How easy is it to convert the existing clothing to the V4M version?

You can use Cage's script on clothing but the results have been very varied.  The team is working on a script however to convert existing clothing for V4-WM.  I believe they did something similar with AntoniaWM.  The pack also comes with a clothing set so you can have her in some clothing from the get go :)

Tiny correction: WM clothing is available, but as a separate download. Since most people already have tons for V4, Glitterati3D has provided this lovely outfit as a courtesy and option - but you aren't required to download it. She thoughtfully considered the plight of people on dial-up... there's still a lot out there!

Same for the skin shader and textures: none of this is required.

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alexcoppo ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:17 PM

The "old" V4 as good as a new figure plus all previous investments preserved. Wow. Just wow.

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Glitterati3D ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:21 PM · edited Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:21 PM

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> Quote - > Quote - > Quote - One quick question - How easy is it to convert the existing clothing to the V4M version? > > > > You can use Cage's script on clothing but the results have been very varied.  The team is working on a script however to convert existing clothing for V4-WM.  I believe they did something similar with AntoniaWM.  The pack also comes with a clothing set so you can have her in some clothing from the get go :) > > Tiny correction: WM clothing *is* available, but as a separate download. Since most people already *have* tons for V4, Glitterati3D has provided this lovely outfit as a courtesy and option - but you aren't required to download it. She thoughtfully considered the plight of people on dial-up... there's still a lot out there! > > Same for the skin shader and textures: none of this is required.

 

Thanks, Robyn.  For stating it so well.

Yeah, I spent some time on bandwith limited internet.  I just can't force someone to spend valuable bandwidth on something they may not want by packaging it with something they DO want.

So, it's there for everyone, but not forced on you because you want to use V4~WM.

Here's part of it:


Glitterati3D ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:24 PM

Quote - The "old" V4 as good as a new figure plus all previous investments preserved. Wow. Just wow.

Exactly.  And, easier and more fun to use. 

Someone said to me today......"and I didn't have to fix every joint with the morphing tool after I posed her!"


Rose2000 ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:31 PM

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Did anyone say how lovely she bends :)


hborre ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:32 PM
Online Now!

WOW!!!!  Looking forward to the release.  Thanks, guys.  This is a monumental moment in the history of Poser.


Rose2000 ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:33 PM · edited Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:40 PM

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And another one


Rose2000 ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:37 PM · edited Tue, 24 January 2012 at 6:39 PM

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Oh and we must see the butt ...


lkendall ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 7:20 PM

In order to provide the maximum possible compatibility with existing morphs, the vertex order of the V4 mesh could not be altered. But, this mesh was not designed for weight-mapping. To achieve extraodinary bending, the figure had to be re-rigged, and needed helper bones. The weight-maps are not a simple conversion, but are hand sculpted by Diogenes/Phantom3D. V4~WM is impressively reworked.

Cage has creatively provided a way to make the distribution of the rigging and weight-maps possible, and simple enough for the average user to do. The beta testers have put in a lot of time to facilitate this work. When people download V4~WM, the Crew's attention to every detail of packaging the files, and the instructions will be evident.

V4~WM is as P9/PP2012 compliant as possible, and her improved function has not been compromised by trying to make her compatible with other applications. She is a hint of what can finally be accomplished with figures that are actually designed (mesh, rig, weight/bulge-maps, morphs, shaders and content) to use the full set of features in Poser. V4~WM is amazing.

lmk

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JAFO ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 7:46 PM

i have been eagerly awating this one, thanks in advance to the developers who have put so much effort into this project, you guys are  awesome...

 

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Y'all have a great day.


masha ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 7:56 PM

I'll say they do!!  Phatom3d, Cage and Crew thank you so very much for this tremendeous effort!!  How fantastic!!



SamTherapy ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 7:57 PM

Wow!

Looks amazing.  Can't wait to get me hands on a new system, Pro 2012 and this.

Absolutely top work, people. 

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ashley9803 ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 8:09 PM

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V4-WM is Coming!??

Considering the WM is to cortort Vicky into extreme positions, I think V4-WM is Cumming would be a more suitable title.

No, I'm no prude, and appreciate the erotic side of Poser like many do. But let's face it guys.... (don't ban me Rendo, please LOL)


Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 8:20 PM

Quote - V4-WM is Coming!??

Considering the WM is to cortort Vicky into extreme positions, I think V4-WM is Cumming would be a more suitable title.

No, I'm no prude, and appreciate the erotic side of Poser like many do. But let's face it guys.... (don't ban me Rendo, please LOL)

A very simplistic view IMO.  Like kendall described so well above, V4WM is about making the most of what Poser 9/PPro2012 have to offer.  If you'd only use V4 to render pictures of women who raise their arms, you'd gain a lot by using V4WM.  You don't need to be a 'perv' about it, really.




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ashley9803 ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 8:32 PM

I agree Vestmann, it was just the meanderings of an idle brain that's been on holidays for the past 5 weeks. Back to work on Friday and I should return to normal. My apologies.


Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 8:34 PM

Quote - I agree Vestmann, it was just the meanderings of an idle brain that's been on holidays for the past 5 weeks. Back to work on Friday and I should return to normal. My apologies.

No worries.




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estherau ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 8:35 PM

this looks truly wonderful.  when is the release date?

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Eric Walters ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 9:01 PM

 None-as of this Morning-close though.

Quote - this looks truly wonderful.  when is the release date?

love esther



DarkEdge ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 10:01 PM

I think it's ironic to note that independant developers can solve an issue that a certain company(s) is not or willing to trying and solve.

I am not committing to saying this is towards one company nor is it meant towards more than one company, just a simple statement of fact that the private market is solving an issue that is wanted by demand.

hooray for quality developers and the tools within said programs that allow us to do this! 😄

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Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 10:15 PM

Quote - this looks truly wonderful.  when is the release date?

love esther

The team is working hard right now finishing packaging, documentation etc.  Mike is putting up a site to host the files and it is as good as ready.  We can't give exact date but it should be quite soon. Patience ;)




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Photopium ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 10:24 PM

Wow...stunning!  My Credit Card is standing by!

 


Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 10:32 PM

Quote - Wow...stunning!  My Credit Card is standing by!

 

You can pocket your credit card for now.  The team is giving this away.  It will be a free download like the basic Antonia WM.  There will also be nice set of freebies to go with it :)




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anupaum ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 10:48 PM

Bless you all!

Any plans to do this with M4 . . ?


shvrdavid ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 10:52 PM

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Anticipation......

They Are Coming!



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estherau ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 11:17 PM

I wish you were charging.  I think pay products get more support.

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!


Vestmann ( ) posted Tue, 24 January 2012 at 11:56 PM

Quote - I wish you were charging.  I think pay products get more support.

Love esther

But that's the best part!  There isn't that much support needed, at least not in terms of content.  You can use all your clothes, shaders, hair, morphs etc. as you would with your normal V4...




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estherau ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 12:11 AM

apart from some conversion I suppose.  It will be nice when we see native WMV4 clothes in the MP too.

Love esther

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estherau ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 12:11 AM

a lot of clothes have special morphs, adjustments, jacket opened and closed etc.  will they still be useable quite easily?

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Vestmann ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 12:17 AM

Quote - a lot of clothes have special morphs, adjustments, jacket opened and closed etc.  will they still be useable quite easily?

love esther

Yes and they'll have the extra helper bones as well.  So if you have her in a shirt and lift her arms, her breasts will move as well, automatically.  




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Fremmen ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 12:45 AM

This is great news, I appreciate all the effort made by all thoses involved. I have tried to follow some of the threads talking about the process, and i find it very confusing, and well beyond my skill level to understand. I am curious though, has there been any mention if M4 will be done at some point as well?


Cage ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 1:06 AM

Quote - I am curious though, has there been any mention if M4 will be done at some point as well?

I don't think there are any immediate plans at Poser Place to convert M4, although I do think it might make sense to do so.  I'll ask and see what may or may not be going on, with that.

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Fremmen ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 1:11 AM

Thanks for the reply Cage


Eric Walters ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 3:30 AM

 I'm glad it's nearly done-but sorry that the beta testing is ending! :-) Mike (Phantom3d) and Cage have done some really great work. It's been fun twisting V4 into pretzels-then changing her proportions with S4 petite, short, fat, muscular,-and doing it all over again.



lkiilerich ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 4:23 AM

Ohhhh WOW what an exiting news!!!! You guys just rocks :-)
Thanks a million!!!!!!!!


dlfurman ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:02 AM

How far do you fine folks want to test your skills?

V3~WM??? :D

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RobynsVeil ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:07 AM

It's not inconceivable - just remember that if you consider that there are actually far superior figures out there from a mesh standpoint... time to do a little lateral thinking, maybe.

It is time to move from the Millenium on to the Revelation! 😄

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dlfurman ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:35 AM

Quote - It's not inconceivable - just remember that if you consider that there are actually far superior figures out there from a mesh standpoint... time to do a little lateral thinking, maybe.

It is time to move from the Millenium on to the Revelation! 😄

 

I understood/stand what was/is going on....

A better mesh needed to truly take advantage of weightmapping features and benefits.

I'm just saying V3 could use some love too...

 

 

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tsquare ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:47 AM · edited Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:48 AM

Very cool  news......hoping the  same will be  done for the other gen 4s,, and maybe even 3s.

 

(fixed a spelling booboo)


RobynsVeil ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:52 AM · edited Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:53 AM

Quote - > Quote - It's not inconceivable - just remember that if you consider that there are actually far superior figures out there from a mesh standpoint... time to do a little lateral thinking, maybe.

It is time to move from the Millenium on to the Revelation! 😄

I understood/stand what was/is going on....

A better mesh needed to truly take advantage of weightmapping features and benefits.

I'm just saying V3 could use some love too...

I actually think that a weight-mapped version of V3 is being considered by one of the PoserPlace crew - I could swear I heard that being discussed... 😄 My understanding is that V3 is actually better mesh than V4... could be wrong, but that's what I understand.

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Glitterati3D ( ) posted Wed, 25 January 2012 at 7:57 AM

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - It's not inconceivable - just remember that if you consider that there are actually far superior figures out there from a mesh standpoint... time to do a little lateral thinking, maybe.

It is time to move from the Millenium on to the Revelation! 😄

I understood/stand what was/is going on....

A better mesh needed to truly take advantage of weightmapping features and benefits.

I'm just saying V3 could use some love too...

I actually think that a weight-mapped version of V3 is being considered by one of the PoserPlace crew - I could swear I heard that being discussed... 😄 My understanding is that V3 is actually better mesh than V4... could be wrong, but that's what I understand.

I know that Mike (phantom3D) is going to be offering tutorials on weight mapping to the folks over at Poser Place.

Join up, get involved, and learn how to weight map yourself!

http://poserplace.phantom3d.net/forums/index.php

We could use the testers, and the community could use the folks converting figures!


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