Quote - How much does it cost?

Laurie

Ditto.

MD
* Personal = $199*
* Small Biz = $699*
*$199 licence -  NO Sales of models (you need the $699 Licence for that), animation plugin 99/199 (Included in the $699 Licence)

*Learning Blender / Wings / Hexagon, free. (and free to sell models), an option for those of us that can't afford to pay those prices. (things like food, rent, utility bills etc get in the way...)

You make a strong case for me to stick with my current workflow, Khai. $700! I can almost get modo for that (I know I'm being unreasonable, but for some reason I really want that programme!!)...

Well - 700 only if you want to sell what you create. If you just want to make clothes to use for yourself or give away for free, it's just 199 - or 299 with the animation plugin. There is no functional limit. 

For me, the personal license isn't really a limit, since I don't sell models, but if you plan to do, the price still isn't expensive. You can create clothes really quick with MD. I think it would cover it's costs in a pretty reasonable time. 

$199 is not expensive? good for you. for a lot of us, $199 is expensive right now in this depression.

Quote - $199 is not expensive? good for you. for a lot of us, $199 is expensive right now in this depression.

Amen...

For what it does I would not call it expensive. The clothing simulation in the background is awesome, I'm happy that they have something like the personal licence. 

I think that modo isn't expensice either, for what it does. But no, I don't have the money for modo yet,  but still the software is cheap compared to the other big packages.

But you may disagree to that, of course. 

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Just for comparison - the Dynamic Clothing Control for D|S is sold for 49$, and you still have to buy the clothes for it, since you cannot create you own. With MD, you can use dozens of premade clothing sets from the MD website without paying more. 

If you think that's expensive, what would you consider to be a fair price for MD?

I'd pay a hundred bucks for something I can't sell the content and can only use myself. Two hundred is pushing it..lol. It has a very limited function. For instance, I can make something in Silo and sell it and Silo is only 160 bucks. I can do it in Blender for free and sell it. In fact, I can make more than just clothes in those things. I can make anything. MD does just clothes. So, for the one thing that it does, it's too expensive, yeah...lol. But to each his own ;)

Laurie

Watch for sales...I think when I bought it it was 99, on sale.

Each month the Marvelous Team has the running Monthly Contest Award with prices ranging from 30% off to full commercial version free.
It is not too difficult to win a price, as a proof of that even the I got a price ;) If it happens one more time, I will give my rebate coupon to RobynsVeil, for her undying support of Dynamic Clothing and real art.

I'd have to look at the fime factor. If I could learn to make something using MD in 1/10th the time it would take using a free modeling program, that would count for a lot. Indeed, given that my patience & proficiency in modeling has naver exceeded making adult toys with the lathe tool, if I could make anything useful in MD after several hours, it would be damn near a miracle. It may belimited to clothing, but frankly, it's rare that I can't find just about any non-clothing item at Google 3D Warehouse or elsewhere. A dedicated clothing maker sounds pretty good. Of course, that doesn't alter the reality that if you don't have the dosh, you don't have it - I certainly don't at the moment. Hopefully the MD folks will make an industry shaking announcement :-)

Retired, fixed income, just bought PP2012 when it came out, maybe my budget for anything even $99 has been used.  I don't make clothing, I use it.

D.

Anyone who thinks $200 isn't expensive is more than welcome to buy me a copy. :) The price isn't unreasonable when compared to some other modeling software. And $200 for all the free clothes you can make sounds good. But for those of us who pinch pennies to feed our families it isn't doable.

Quote - Watch for sales...I think when I bought it it was 99, on sale.

Thanks. I'll keep my eyes open :)

Laurie

Anyone up for the MD challenge?  Someone post a pic of an outfit, and us MD users will attempt to put it together in MD and post how long it took us to get the result.

Sound like fun?  You other Marvs up for it?

Quote - I'd pay a hundred bucks for something I can't sell the content and can only use myself. Two hundred is pushing it..lol. It has a very limited function. For instance, I can make something in Silo and sell it and Silo is only 160 bucks. I can do it in Blender for free and sell it. In fact, I can make more than just clothes in those things. I can make anything. MD does just clothes. So, for the one thing that it does, it's too expensive, yeah...lol. But to each his own ;) Laurie

Those that use MD (generally speaking) and love it wouldn't see $200 as excessive. I like the idea of using a sewing clothing metaphor in software. And those I've talked to who have been able to create stuff in it wax eloquent in their praise.

Is that enough for me to invest? Not really. I am not fond of the Delaunay mesh. I've simmed a few items made in MD on my system, and besides being heaps slower to sim look really ... not what I want, shall I say (had a full day of offending my managers, so I might lay off you lot :lol: ) . Silo (and Fugazi's tutorials) let me make stuff that sims with an end-product (result) I like AND it's in my programme of choice: Poser. I'm not saying the cloth room is any end-all/be-all... yet, but hey, given the HUGE step up from previous versions of Poser for other things like SSS and WM, I'm on pins and needles to see what they've done to the cloth room this time.

Hey, call me a dreamer. I love Poser.

Quote - > Quote - Watch for sales...I think when I bought it it was 99, on sale.

Thanks. I'll keep my eyes open :)

Laurie

Yeah, I'd pay $100 bucks for it. Can ya gimme a heads up, Laurie, if it happens?

According to the producer, MD will be able to create quad meshes in one of the next updates. No idea if this will make it more usable in a whole, but if you plan to create conformers it may prevent the need for a retopo. Doing a retopo in Silo surely is possible in a reasonable time with the topo brush or the surface tool, but still it's a lot of work.

In my experience, triangled meshes behave better in the cloth room than quad meshes. The MD clothes aren't really slower to sim if the number of polys is comparable. But if you want to have good looking cloth, a high poly count is a must and that will cost a lot of time in the simulation. Your milage may vary, though.

"but still it's a lot of work.."

It is not a lot of work I can retop any MD cloth in 5-10 min any time. And not only I if you go to youtube and search for 'speed modeling" you will be surprised what people can do. Some only 12-13 years old. I don't know what's wrong with people nova days they want all things free. If you want a skill just learn it. A man can do whatever he wants to do.

Quote - In my experience, triangled meshes behave better in the cloth room than quad meshes.

Depends on your desired outcome. You want a crumpled, natural t-shirt look, delaunays is the way to go. Most of my materials... aren't.

I got horrible sheering, mesh shattering with delaunays in anything but non-default positions. That's just my experience and it may be because I don't know how to optimally get delaunays mesh to sim properly in Poser. be the first to admit it. That said, quad mesh behaviour is far more predictable for me.

I'm not rich. Blender is my first choice because I philosophically embrace the notion you don't have to always pay for stuff: you can get amazing quality for free. Which is also why I run Ubuntu.

Yeah, I'd pay $100 to tinker with MD. But not impressed enough - from what I've seen - to make it a must-have.

Blender 2.63: must have. B-Mesh. Must-have. And it's free. I can afford.... free.

"But not impressed enough -"

I love dynamic cloth too- but I'm not impressed either. Who will be the one to make real quality dynamic cloth? When I see a dynamic man's suit, complete with thickness and pockets, belt loops and modeled seams - then I will be impressed.

Quote - "but still it's a lot of work.."

It is not a lot of work I can retop any MD cloth in 5-10 min any time. And not only I if you go to youtube and search for 'speed modeling" you will be surprised what people can do. Some only 12-13 years old. I don't know what's wrong with people nova days they want all things free. If you want a skill just learn it. A man can do whatever he wants to do.

Cool. I'm not quite that fast. And with three children around and a full day job, the time I can spend for 3d work is pretty limited.  Yes, I'm learning, but when it comes to priorities, this is just a hobby.

Quote - I'm not rich. Blender is my first choice because I philosophically embrace the notion you don't have to always pay for stuff: you can get amazing quality for free. Which is also why I run Ubuntu.

I don't think I'm rich either, but I do have some money left after the bare nessesarities. I like open source as well, but I never got along with Blender. It's amazing how much people can do with it, though. It was a big win for the open source community that Blender wasn't a financial success.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Watch for sales...I think when I bought it it was 99, on sale.

Thanks. I'll keep my eyes open :)

Laurie

Yeah, I'd pay $100 bucks for it. Can ya gimme a heads up, Laurie, if it happens?

I will...lol. I just got Silo as well myself tho, so I might be busy modeling :P LOL

Laurie

Quote - "but still it's a lot of work.."

It is not a lot of work I can retop any MD cloth in 5-10 min any time. And not only I if you go to youtube and search for 'speed modeling" you will be surprised what people can do. Some only 12-13 years old. I don't know what's wrong with people nova days they want all things free. If you want a skill just learn it. A man can do whatever he wants to do.

Now dammit, I NEVER said I wanted everything free. I don't expect that. In fact, I expect ZERO from anyone. So I hope you don't think you were speaking for me. It's amazing how you always come off as rude and ignorant. I'm not sure if you're trying to be or if it's just a language barrier thing. But I for one never said I wanted anything free. I said for what it does I thought it was too expensive...for ME. That's all.

Laurie

I tried Marvelous Designer during the initial trial period and didn't buy it then because I didn't adapt to it well. I am still not very fast with it. It definitely doesn't suit everyone's way of working. Now that I have it, I find that it suits some garments much better than others. For tailored suits, jackets etc, I prefer traditional modelling. Otherwise I spend ages adjusting the fit. Maybe I am just perfectionistic. For draped gowns, cloaks, loose T-shirts and skirts, MD is really quick. I still think it is expensive and would not have bought it with my own money.

I'm just going out for a while and what is this?

There is a misunderstanding here. I was not referring to money but to effort.
MD is criticized because you can not play around with it and export a figure and use it right away. If you have read the interviews with our best selling vendors you know that they work up to a month on a item for marketplace, or even longer. MD will not change that. You fiddle around with it and come upon a design that looks stunning. Its all well and done, but to turn that into a "Marketplace quality item" you need to do a lot of work. And not even the upcoming feature of quads is not going to change that. What MD will do however is taking the art of 3D clothing another notch forward. It is called progress.

Quote - I'm just going out for a while and what is this? There is a misunderstanding here. I was not referring to money but to effort.
MD is criticized because you can not play around with it and export a figure and use it right away. ... It is called progress.

No, MD is "criticised" because it is limited in what it can produce for the price. Laurie made a good point. For the same price I can get a lot more from other programmes. I'm not spending $200 for something this limited (will only create Delaunay mesh) only to find out it doesn't suit my workflow. Which is why we ask questions of people who use it on fora, Vintorix. Might be the end-all/be-all for you, but will it work for me? From what I've read: no. And that has nothing to do with "progress" or anything else: it's simple economy. I'm not throwing money into something I'm not going to use, ever. Done that too much in the past, and have learned from my mistakes.

There is plenty of free-stuff available made by MD enthusiasts for me to be able to say I don't like how the mesh sims. I know what I like, and I don't like it.

Preference.

Nuance.

Fair enough robyn, I hear what you say. I think I will turn you over anyhow, with time. Contrary to what you may believe I am an ardent admirer. And, I think I may trace the faintest regrets that you didn't bought it when it was £99. You must admit that that the raw output from MS cannot match the items from marketplace, which are produced with such care is an unfair comparison. It will be interesting to see what you will think of my first content in Marketplace. Will you accept my first item as a gift?

We live in the most interesting of times.

Edit: "There is plenty of free-stuff available made by MD enthusiasts for me to be able to say I don't like how the mesh sims"

Why do you say that when I have said a million times that the MD mesh always must be retoped? Free stuff doesn't count it is only idle play.

Well, hey, we marv fans aren't going to convert everyone.

Is there an easy retopo solution out there these days?  Last time I looked into it, all retopo options in various software fell short, making spiral strips instead of rows/columns.

I know that Blender does it and so does Silo but I've honestly never done it in either program so I can't testify to the quality end result of either one ;).

Laurie

Quote - Is there an easy retopo solution out there these days?

I'd be curious as well. I've seen a few solutions and even invested in the Blender flavour, but either my technique is off or the tool is a bit dodgy.

I'll put up a video over the week-end.

Are you sure about that?

Quote - > Quote - Anyone up for the MD challenge?  Someone post a pic of an outfit, and us MD users will attempt to put it together in MD and post how long it took us to get the result.

 

Sound like fun?  You other Marvs up for it?

Are you sure about that?

Quote - Here's what I got with Poser's dynamic cloth. The under oufit is a Karate Outfit-that I used PoserPro2012 leather shader on. The props are from ShareCG. The character is a decrepit Sith Lord- with Sidious style facial disfigurement do to long use of the Dark Side. I could not figure out how to make the right sleeve drape properly. I'm using a modified version of BB' Elder Skin from RDNA- and my own decrepit teeth shaders for the Sith teeth. Close as I could get to the Emperor. :-)

  I have been looking for a fit for Sydney of Anakin Skywalker's pre-dark side/ Darth Vader costume for months. I wanted to make it myself, but I am not good enough to do that yet...

Quote - Free stuff doesn't count it is only idle play.

Now I know you're doing two things, talking without experience, and going out of your way to insult people.

As I've said before, your opinions are your own, and irrelevant.

D.

I rarely use it since, most times, when I do it ends up shredded on the floor or half intersecting something it shouldn't, etc. And that is after a few hours of poking, testing, rerendering etc. Sometimes I do use it and it produces decent results but, more often it doesn't. Plus it is hard to find decent outfits and find them for the figure I want them to be used on.

 I imagine it will just take time and practice.

I have been looking for a fit for Sydney of Anakin Skywalker's pre-dark side/ Darth Vader costume for months. I wanted to make it myself, but I am not good enough to do that yet...

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2285346

Well, I'm already more than half-way there with my chinese outfits:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2285346 

I would only have to do some detail work and texture changes.  One thing MD does so much better than Poser is with the layered cloth.

I need a clearer idea of what's going on with Anakin's outfit there.  I'm not clear on how many layers there are.

Attached Link: Star Wars costume research pages --Jedi outfits

There's a bunch of research already out there:

http://www.padawansguide.com/ 

Basic Jedi outfit patterns:

http://www.padawansguide.com/basic.shtml 

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There's a bunch of research already out there:

http://www.padawansguide.com/ 

 

Basic Jedi outfit patterns:

http://www.padawansguide.com/basic.shtml 

Very cool.... very cool indeed. I am going to have to bookmark these for later on...

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Dynamic.

nightgown by Carib98

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The most time was spent in tweaking each tunic layer to be slightly larger than the last, so they would overlap properly.

Construction should be done be tonight or tomorrow, then texturing. 

Wow, that's really good :)

Laurie

That is nice!

Cool!!

Quote - An hour and a half's work:  undergarb, two tunics, and beginning the belt/tabard layer.  All that's left after that, is the cloak and soft-soled boots.

The most time was spent in tweaking each tunic layer to be slightly larger than the last, so they would overlap properly.

 

Construction should be done be tonight or tomorrow, then texturing. 

Quote - I do the belt later..!

chuckle   And you are also doing your re-topo thing, I see.  Good on ya', mate!

Like William_the_Bloody said, it's getting so easy to make the clothing now, that we no longer think that such a project is too complex to handle.  Now we can make all those one-off things that only a limited number of people would ask for, and it becomes emminently doable!

(..be back to working on mine later tonight... beddie-bye time for this night shift worker! Gotta keep paying the real-world bills!)