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Subject: Miki 4 Needs Renders As Well


bagginsbill ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 12:01 PM

Weight mapping - Miki 4 uses P9/PP2012 weight mapping.

This is why it won't work in anything but P9/PP2012. Not P8, not DS.


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basicwiz ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 12:05 PM

Palmslap to face. Of course!


dlfurman ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 12:29 PM · edited Thu, 27 September 2012 at 12:30 PM

Quote - > Quote - I like her very much, but her feet are pretty clunky, particulary the ankle and toe bends...

So this inspired me to learn the morph brush. I only did one foot and I'd start over again just because I learned so much.

Left is before, right is after.

I also found that bending and scaling each toe into a more realistic position was very helpful.

 

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toulouse2k ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 12:57 PM

@ JV Renderer....just an amazing job. 


LaurieA ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 1:05 PM · edited Thu, 27 September 2012 at 1:06 PM

Content Advisory! This message contains nudity

Quote - Good job, Teyon!

Hey Miki, you're so fine

Excellent! :)

Laurie



vilters ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 2:02 PM

Giggle, giggle

I see the spine morph in use :-))

Nice

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DCArt ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 5:39 PM

Quote - Giggle, giggle

I see the spine morph in use :-))

Nice

 

LOL this reaction made me think of Quagmire ...  "Giggity giggity ... gig-a-dee"



paganeagle2001 ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 6:36 PM

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Mina by LadyRaine for Miki4 over at RDNA.

All the best.

LROG

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Eric Walters ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 7:35 PM

Great job Teyon- and a fine pose and render!

Quote - Good job, Teyon!

Hey Miki, you're so fine



LaurieA ( ) posted Thu, 27 September 2012 at 7:42 PM · edited Thu, 27 September 2012 at 7:43 PM

Psssssttt...if you're gonna repeat the pic you need to check the nudity checkbox ;) Besides, that's JVRenderer's image, not Teyon's LOL.

Laurie



mylemonblue ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 2:14 AM · edited Fri, 28 September 2012 at 2:18 AM

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Quote - Good job, Teyon!

Hey Miki, you're so fine

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Hey Mickey....  ♫

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estherau ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 7:14 AM

I think the spine morph was a brilliant idea!   

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monkeycloud ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 10:55 AM

Quote - Psssssttt...if you're gonna repeat the pic you need to check the nudity checkbox ;) Besides, that's JVRenderer's image, not Teyon's LOL.

Laurie

Is it nude? She's wearing shoes...

:sneaky:


Teyon ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:06 PM · edited Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:08 PM

Quote - Great renders here. Weight mapping is so much better but it is not the holy gral. It still needs a lot of JCMs and postwork. I agree with RGUS, hands are to big. Lets see if Miki 4 has propagating scale options.

 

I don't know about that. I have managed to rig a toon figure with out a single JCM thus far and he bends marveslously. I think JCM's are needed when the mesh fights against what the rig wants to do. I'd be interested to see a "realistic" Poser human modeled for articulation as opposed to being modeled with every muscle cut out and learn how well it bends without JCM's. I think it'd be doable but would it be welcome by the community? Probably not. So it's a compromise and that compromise forces JCM's on us (in my opinion). 

 

It would also help things along if we lock the rotation limits so that the figure always bends realistically, providing a pose or something to unlock the figure's limits for those who may need to push a pose beyond realism. With a locked figure, you're less likely to run into situations where the bending doesn't look so great.


LaurieA ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:06 PM · edited Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:08 PM

Quote - > Quote - Psssssttt...if you're gonna repeat the pic you need to check the nudity checkbox ;) Besides, that's JVRenderer's image, not Teyon's LOL.

Laurie

Is it nude? She's wearing shoes...

:sneaky:

I don't think shoes count if that's the only clothing ;)



Teyon ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:10 PM

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Psssssttt...if you're gonna repeat the pic you need to check the nudity checkbox ;) Besides, that's JVRenderer's image, not Teyon's LOL.

Laurie

Is it nude? She's wearing shoes...

:sneaky:

I don't think shoes count if that's the only clothing ;)

 

She also has a bracelet on. :)


LaurieA ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:18 PM

Quote - I don't think shoes count if that's the only clothing ;)

Quote - She also has a bracelet on. :)



bandou ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:41 PM

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Just test render with custum morph.


basicwiz ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:43 PM

She makes quite an impression!


DCArt ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 12:45 PM

Quote - Just test render with custum morph.

 

OMG how cute!



meatSim ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 1:06 PM

I agree on that one!

Often time I have been tempted to complain about a bend not looking 'right' only to try it myself in the mirror to see how it should look and find out that the pose itself is beyond what the normal human body can attain.  Also sometimes the bend we think we are trying to do with one joint should really be accomplished with 2 or three joints to look natural. (for instance looking way up is going to invovle the neck head and chest bends and maybe even the abdomen to a small degree)

Quote -  

It would also help things along if we lock the rotation limits so that the figure always bends realistically, providing a pose or something to unlock the figure's limits for those who may need to push a pose beyond realism. With a locked figure, you're less likely to run into situations where the bending doesn't look so great.


meatSim ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 1:10 PM

Antonia WM bends very well and has no few if any JCMs, but she also does not have a mesh that heavily follows muscle shapes and contours.  To support your point, that is one of the main digs about her - lack of suitability for sculpting.  She'll never look like anastasia, but she takes alyson 2 to the cleaners in a pose-off!

 

Quote -  

I don't know about that. I have managed to rig a toon figure with out a single JCM thus far and he bends marveslously. I think JCM's are needed when the mesh fights against what the rig wants to do. I'd be interested to see a "realistic" Poser human modeled for articulation as opposed to being modeled with every muscle cut out and learn how well it bends without JCM's. I think it'd be doable but would it be welcome by the community? Probably not. So it's a compromise and that compromise forces JCM's on us (in my opinion). 

 

 


toulouse2k ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 2:50 PM

@JVRenderer What light set up did you use to get such an extraordinary render? Did you do your own setup? If so, please give a scrap to your admirers.


toulouse2k ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 5:21 PM

file_487024.jpg

Another Miki 4 render:


vilters ( ) posted Fri, 28 September 2012 at 5:58 PM

Teyon,
You are right.

With a WM, you do not "NEED" JCM's.

Before WM, I made tons of morphs to get bends and movements right.

Now with WM, I deleted most of those, and I have not created a single one since I got PP2012.

In retrospect?
It would have been a lot smarter to just deleted ALL JCM's, before going to WM.

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Teyon ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 8:48 AM

Yeah well, we didn't have time for that (or so we thought).   


JVRenderer ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 11:47 AM

@ Teyon and Lau

There are earrings, and the anklet (if you can spot it)

@ Toulouse.  I'd love to share, but I didn't keep a journal. I am not really into the technical aspects of the programs I use. I am more a T&E guy. All I can tell you is I had some help.

I used 1 infinite light @ 65% strength and raytrace shadows on. I also used BB's envsphere and enivoback drop (I tweaked the colors of the materials to achieve the background color).

The render setting " cast shadow on, SS on, raytrace bounces at 4, irradiance caching at 50, indirect light quality at 10, pixel samples at 4, min shading rate at .21, max bucket size at 32, min disp bounds at 0, gamma cor at 2.00

The rest is photoshop magic.

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LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 11:58 AM

And a little bit of JV magic. LOL

Laurie



toulouse2k ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 12:39 PM

@JVRenderer thanks for the information. I agree that post work is important, also. 


Teyon ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 3:53 PM

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Take her into ZBrush and you can turn her into just about anything....


LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 5:22 PM

Actually, the morph brush ain't too shabby ;).

Laurie



paganeagle2001 ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 5:58 PM

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Did you know you could do this to Miki4?

Change her spine morph to 8.

All the best.

LROG

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Teyon ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 6:00 PM

She's an alien! That explains so much.


rokket ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 6:35 PM

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A skirt I am working on for her. First cloth sim test and render. Long way until it's a usable product. Anyone want it? I'll put it in the freebies section when I finish it. There will be a top that goes with it too.

I can make it "sensual" too, if desired...

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JVRenderer ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 7:56 PM

@paganeagle2001 - That's Mikizilla





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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 9:03 PM

Quote - @paganeagle2001 - That's Mikizilla

I was thinking 'Species'...

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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 9:22 PM

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I need to get that shirt/top done. I like this skirt, but maybe it's a bit long?

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


Teyon ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 9:27 PM

Without shoes, it's a little long. With shoes...I think it could be ok but I'm no lady, so take my opinion with a side of salt.


rokket ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 9:50 PM

Quote - Without shoes, it's a little long. With shoes...I think it could be ok but I'm no lady, so take my opinion with a side of salt.

Yeah, I think you are right. My wife wears skirts like this, but also wears 4 inch platform heels when she does!

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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 29 September 2012 at 10:43 PM

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Better, and now I have a top made. Still working on these. I am not good with sleeves yet, but we will see.

 

I still need to know: does anybody want these dynamic props? They are pretty simplistic, but I think they work.

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rokket ( ) posted Sun, 30 September 2012 at 7:53 AM

I'm a thread killer.... :sad:

 

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RorrKonn ( ) posted Sun, 30 September 2012 at 7:56 AM

some wire mesh .jpgs and a poly count of Miki 4 would be helpful.

 

Thanks

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fivecat ( ) posted Sun, 30 September 2012 at 5:22 PM

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I finally got her installed today. I think she's cute and a welcome addition to the poser family. She does have man-hands though, which I think is why Teyon's male sculpt looks so good, :D.


toulouse2k ( ) posted Sun, 30 September 2012 at 6:19 PM

@fivecat. Great shot. Would you be kind enough to give your light/render setup? I can get good results in D/S, C4D, and Maxwell. But I've never had much luck with Poser except for Sydd Raven setups. 


fivecat ( ) posted Sun, 30 September 2012 at 6:53 PM

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> Quote - @fivecat. Great shot. Would you be kind enough to give your light/render setup? I can get good results in D/S, C4D, and Maxwell. But I've never had much luck with Poser except for Sydd Raven setups. 

Thanks. I started with Pure Render Vol2 by Yanelis at RDNA and made some adjustments. An IBL and two infinites. Attached is a screen-capture of my render settings -- Since I wanted a quick, small render I didn't max out the settings.


toulouse2k ( ) posted Sun, 30 September 2012 at 7:34 PM

Thank you, fivecat. 


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