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Subject: Bend Morphs for Genesis (coming soon)


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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:53 AM · edited Fri, 08 November 2024 at 10:53 AM

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As great as Genesis is, it still comes with its own little issues. First thing I noticed when using Genesis, is that the hip and glute still bend un-naturally, similar to V4 and the Genital area is hidden deep between the cheeks. So I decided to change that. I took my time with this one and have been developing it under the radar for quite some time. Originally it was something like 20 morphs, but I refined them into 6 workable morphs that gives the exact same results. Basically it fixes those un-natural bending results at the hip and on the rear. This product will be available at my Renderosity store soon. It's sole purpose is to rectify the hip/pelvis bending issues and make them more natural, not to shape the glute or any other body part. Here are some shots. Enjoy:)

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:53 AM

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:55 AM · edited Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:56 AM

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:56 AM · edited Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:58 AM

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list of morphs

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 4:15 AM

Oh this will work in Both Daz 4.5 and Poser9/pro2012

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 4:52 AM

Forgot to include another morph. It is called Pubic area Gape. This widens the area between the cheeks.

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marcusfinnigon ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 5:24 AM

Well done man! 

May I ask, Is this specifically designed for one particular shape (Character)? Eg. Victoria 5, Genesis Female or Stephanie 4 etc. By the looks of things I'm assuming that's V5 Base shape in your previews.

The genesis fixes I've came across are usually specifically made for one character. So I'm curious as to how it works with the other shapes if it is a 'one-shape specific'.


Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 5:43 AM · edited Thu, 13 December 2012 at 5:55 AM

Mainly V5. It works on other shapes as well. Certain morphs are not required on other shapes but some are. Either way it still improves the other shapes bending appearance in some degree. Eg some shapes do not require the bendfix cause the genital area is flush and not sitting deep, but they will need some cheek adjustment.

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marcusfinnigon ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 5:46 AM

I see what you mean :) That's really good, I vary my characters formulars so much and the control of each individual fix will be very useful to me.

 Once again man, great job! :) 


Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 5:54 AM
cedarwolf ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 12:42 PM

Interesting!


RAMWorks ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 12:43 PM

Are you going to continue to include other bending areas like shoulders hint hint to round out this fabulous set or just the hip and genital areas?

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SickleYield ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 12:50 PM

Waves arm You should.  I will buy all of them.  I'm sure I'm not the only one. ;)


Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:01 PM · edited Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:05 PM

Well to be honest I just planned on this area because I was approached a while back from some guys who did "naughty renders" and they asked for a solution to have the genital area more exposed on Genesis and the rear to bend more realistic without that valley in between the cheeks. They kept complaining that you can't see anything and that it looks un-natural on the default shapes. That deal fell through so I was sitting with a few unfinished  bending morphs that I just kept for personal use. What got me started on this again is that a thread regarding the same topic came up so I just decided to finish it and release it. I have no intention at this stage to create any more bending morphs for other body parts. This was a once off thing. But you never know. There are a few areas on Genesis that I am still unhappy with so I might tackle them at some stage. My plate is full at the moment but lets see what the future holds:)

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SickleYield ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:04 PM

Yes, please do at least keep it in mind. Doing ballet poses for a recent product I was struck by how weird the thigh/knee jointure can be on morphs with longer legs.


RAMWorks ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:05 PM

Thanks Z!  Appreciate your fast reply! 

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:09 PM

There is actually a product by CJ studio that fixes that on Genesis. http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/ideal-beauty-legs-for-genesis/94487

Just make sure you set the strength to 0.088 when using it on V5. It really is a fantastic product and I have no intention of making something similar. It does the job:) Don't know about how it works on longer legs. I will have to test it out.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:10 PM

Quote - Thanks Z!  Appreciate your fast reply! 

LOL I'm more on here than what I am at Daz..Plus all my notifications from this site work:)

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SickleYield ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:14 PM

I have that, actually.  It looks just a little odd on V5Supermodel with the leg to one side and bent (for e.g., in ballet poses) and it can't handle Stephanie 5 + Model Body at all.  I think it pretty much works on plain V5 or others that minimally change the thigh/knee proportions.

Perhaps it's just a limitation of the medium, or I need to do my own long legs bend fixer and release it as a freebie.


Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:17 PM · edited Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:17 PM

By long legs, what values are we talking?

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SickleYield ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:23 PM

V5 1.0 +V5 Supermodel 1.0 or Stephanie 5 1.0 + Stephanie 5 Model Body 1.0.


Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:40 PM

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Another complaint was that when you use 3rd party Genital props you can hardly see them between the cheeks. With these morphs you can create all the space you need. I did not load any in these renders, but you can already see the usefulness of these morphs.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:48 PM

Quote - V5 1.0 +V5 Supermodel 1.0 or Stephanie 5 1.0 + Stephanie 5 Model Body 1.0.

Will do some testing when I get back from the long weekend. Have to drive soon. I'll try and reply via phone but I don't know if there will be signal.

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SickleYield ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 1:51 PM

No problem, I didn't mean to derail your thread!  The pics show you're doing good work with this.


Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 2:10 PM

LOL Derail all you like. It's what makes my threads fun lol. Wolfie and Spyro know all about it:)

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RAMWorks ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:18 PM

fans self  ME, derail a thread?  No, not me..

So did you hear the one about the hot mama and the fur ball in the hay stack.... ? :lol:

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 3:33 PM

Lol no.. are you going to tell us?

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RAMWorks ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 4:08 PM

It has to do with not finding the "Needle in the haystack" and "Hairballs" :lol:

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durf ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 4:11 PM

please build a complete FIX set of Genesis Bending.  And Make Genesis bending right what DAZ can not model because of Childish and stupped TOS.

think the daz team still live in the year 1895.

and daz develop + forum team need to watch more 3d porn.


RAMWorks ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 4:19 PM

From my understanding about the TOS is that the credit card companies and even PayPal have DAZ over a barrel about nudity of any kind.  I'm sure they have their own conservative views too considering they live and operate in Mormon country. 

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 4:23 PM

A complete fix set? Shoo.. That will take a while. The only problem is that the fix might work on one shape and not on another. To create fixes to cater for all shapes is going to be a near impossible task. Not to forget that some people mix and match shapes. To test your fix on every possible variation is not really possible, and I guarentee that there will be a combination where the fix simply will not work. So the only solution is to make a fix set for V5, and a seperate set for M5 etc. It's a lot of work. What bending issues are you not happy with?

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RAMWorks ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 6:14 PM

For me shoulders have been the bane of my existance.  Why DAZ, at this point in the game, can't get their heads out of their asses about hero stances, diving, flying and all that involve the arms fully UP (where the thumbs touch each other sorta closeness).  The shoulders look horrid as do the lats.  I've attempted to make fix morphs but still havn't tried slaving the morphs to the Bruno morphs I made in order to keep things looking good when the arms are raised up.  Arms up needs the limits turned off anyways since they are locked at a position that doesnt' allow for the pose I described above.  Why, I have no idea.  For me a set of upper body morphs and ones that are already set up and slaved to the DAZ supplied Arms Up & Arms Down slider would be awesome.  Looked around for the examples but I must have trashed them on one of my cleanup days a while back. 

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Zanzo ( ) posted Thu, 13 December 2012 at 9:16 PM

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Very nice Zev good work!

DAZ needs to get that stick out of their ass and fix stuff like this. Hopefully by the time Victoria 15 comes out she'll bend right.


durf ( ) posted Fri, 14 December 2012 at 5:36 AM

Quote - A complete fix set? Shoo.. That will take a while. The only problem is that the fix might work on one shape and not on another. To create fixes to cater for all shapes is going to be a near impossible task. Not to forget that some people mix and match shapes. To test your fix on every possible variation is not really possible, and I guarentee that there will be a combination where the fix simply will not work. So the only solution is to make a fix set for V5, and a seperate set for M5 etc. It's a lot of work. What bending issues are you not happy with?

 

Fixes for V5 & M5 are enough.

and G5 if launched.

create a V5 as real as possible.

 

what if daz go for better weightmapping or real muscle solution in studio?

will solve all our problems.


RHaseltine ( ) posted Fri, 14 December 2012 at 9:58 AM

No it won't. Nothing will work perfectly in all situations, probably nothing can work really well in all situations. 3D is, for a long time to come, going to remain the land of compromise - especially with content that is intended to be usable for a wide range of purposes.


hibingo ( ) posted Sun, 16 December 2012 at 9:26 AM

The second this is available I'm buying it.


padinha ( ) posted Sun, 16 December 2012 at 6:36 PM

Very nice, Zev0!

I saw your banner at the daz forum and i came here to see. ^^!

"... other bending areas like shoulders hint hint to round.."

And i thought that was just me who thought that. lol


Zev0 ( ) posted Mon, 17 December 2012 at 3:26 AM

I will look into shoulders in the week. But I will try and make time to see what solution can be made. Just extremely busy at the moment.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Mon, 17 December 2012 at 8:06 AM · edited Mon, 17 December 2012 at 8:07 AM

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Included one last  morph called Genital length. This increases the length of the Genital area. When the character is viewed from a bent over position it is barely visible. Whats cool is that it does this to any Genesis designed Genitalia applied to the figure such as V5SheGen (my favourite) and V5 genitalia that is designed to follow the body. If no Genital set is applied, it still brings the texture up making it appear longer. See example above.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Mon, 17 December 2012 at 12:24 PM

Thats it. 8 morphs in total. Combine them any way you want. If I think of any more morphs I will release them as freebies, but this set will be required. It is up for review as we speak.:)

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Carri58 ( ) posted Mon, 17 December 2012 at 4:29 PM

I have to say that I admire your talent,and these bends look good,I probably will not get these since I don't do nudes .......but I do need to point out something  .......your morph is makeing the genitalia look better BUTT it is also makeing it more obvious that she is missing another part ......ain't no spicturn ,which wasn't as obvious  without your morph .........and to me it looks odd missing that little blind eye .... sorry.


Zev0 ( ) posted Tue, 18 December 2012 at 1:08 AM

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These morphs are not just for nudes. They make a difference even when the character  has clothing on. Also that missing part is not up to me.. There are 3rd party props that you can buy to fill that gap. Also most texture sets don't have that part textured. That unfortunately is out of my hands. My aim was just to fix the bending appearance, not to develop Butt-holes etc. Stuff like that is up to the user. I am just showing what my product does. I could have done a render with one on, but that would be false advertising. I prefer to show people exactly what they get. Even if I created a Butt-hole morph, it would be extremely low poly and would not look right without it being textured since most textures/ if not all do not include that part. They just darken the crap out of that section because before my morphs, that section was always hidden between the cheeks. Look at attachment. No B-hole is textured which is the case on most texture sets.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Tue, 18 December 2012 at 1:12 AM

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Here is another example of what most vendors do to textures in that section. They just burn/darken the living daylights out of it.

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FSMCDesigns ( ) posted Tue, 18 December 2012 at 1:20 AM

Quote - Here is another example of what most vendors do to textures in that section. They just burn/darken the living daylights out of it.

 

Man I hate that also. looks even worse when using an unbiased renderer like Lux.

Your fixes look great, looking forward to trying them out.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Tue, 18 December 2012 at 1:42 AM

Thanks dude. Yep, whenever I see that on a texture set it goes straight into photoshop:)

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Zev0 ( ) posted Tue, 18 December 2012 at 1:59 PM

I made a little video showing it in action for anybody who is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xf2seX9vI0

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Carri58 ( ) posted Tue, 18 December 2012 at 7:41 PM

Okay that makes sense to me  ......and I have to admit I had to go check both Gen4 figures and Gen5, made'em bend over and touch their toes ...... and then had a giggle fest,thinking about explaining this to somebody who doesn't deal with DAZ or Poser .....had another out right laugh attack .

Your morphs do look great though Zev0.


Zev0 ( ) posted Wed, 19 December 2012 at 1:19 AM

Thank you. Funny enough I had a couple of real people do the same as reference when I started this project. Made them touch their toes lol.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Thu, 20 December 2012 at 3:04 AM

For those interested this will be at renderotica as well. Just became a vendor there:) There are some products I wish to sell in future that are not suitable for this store or Daz. Will let you know when this is available. Some of the promo pics had to be changed again in order for it to be released here. Nothing offensive, just some of them broke some rules, like a frontal shot of the genital area, even if clothed, which is not allowed:( At least I know extensively the do's and don't of Promo pics now lol.

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Zev0 ( ) posted Fri, 21 December 2012 at 7:28 PM

Ok it is live at Renderotica for those who can't wait for the release here. Won't be long, it is busy pending...

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