Quote - > Quote - You can only do this in DS4.5. (the cloth fitting part)

You forgot to tell that .

 

And until Poser gets it's tools together to work with it, then yes. But we're talking about how genesis looks and buying more stuff. So your comment is irrelevant.

You were quoting someone who is talking about DSON problems and telling that he is using PP2012. So if anyones comment is unvalid, it was yours.

You gave the impression that you could do that in Poser - which is wrong

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - You can only do this in DS4.5. (the cloth fitting part)

You forgot to tell that .

 

And until Poser gets it's tools together to work with it, then yes. But we're talking about how genesis looks and buying more stuff. So your comment is irrelevant.

You were quoting someone who is talking about DSON problems and telling that he is using PP2012. So if anyones comment is unvalid, it was yours.

You gave the impression that you could do that in Poser - which is wrong

 

Nope the person said nothing about DSON... read it again.. it was a canned comment about v4/m4 looks better than genesis and I'll have to buy all my clothes over again, which i showed you won't have to buy anything, though you'll have to invest some time to convert it. That's why I said it's a shift in how to do things.

If you're going to pick a fight, i really need you to pay attention. ;)

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - You can only do this in DS4.5. (the cloth fitting part)

You forgot to tell that .

 

And until Poser gets it's tools together to work with it, then yes. But we're talking about how genesis looks and buying more stuff. So your comment is irrelevant.

You were quoting someone who is talking about DSON problems and telling that he is using PP2012. So if anyones comment is unvalid, it was yours.

You gave the impression that you could do that in Poser - which is wrong

 

Nope the person said nothing about DSON... read it again.. it was a canned comment about m4 looks better than genesis and I'll have to buy all my clothes over again, which i showed you won't have to buy anything, though you'll have to invest some time to convert it. That's why I said it's a shift in how to do things.

If you're going to pick a fight, i really need you to pay attention. ;)

He spelled it as DS-on

You have to use DS4.5 to convert the clothing. This is the Poser Forum - get it?

Yoe really have to learn to read

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - You can only do this in DS4.5. (the cloth fitting part)

You forgot to tell that .

 

And until Poser gets it's tools together to work with it, then yes. But we're talking about how genesis looks and buying more stuff. So your comment is irrelevant.

You were quoting someone who is talking about DSON problems and telling that he is using PP2012. So if anyones comment is unvalid, it was yours.

You gave the impression that you could do that in Poser - which is wrong

 

Nope the person said nothing about DSON... read it again.. it was a canned comment about m4 looks better than genesis and I'll have to buy all my clothes over again, which i showed you won't have to buy anything, though you'll have to invest some time to convert it. That's why I said it's a shift in how to do things.

If you're going to pick a fight, i really need you to pay attention. ;)

He spelled it as DS-on

You have to use DS4.5 to convert the clothing. This is the Poser Forum - get it?

Yoe really have to learn to read

 

*You

My comment still stands, no matter how you want to dice it.

Well it took a while but here we go again - same old face/s with the same argument just said in a slightly different way.

Opting out from here - was good while it lasted.

Quote - Let me show you something. Because everytime I see canned posts like this I cringe, because then I know you really haven't worked with it, you're just repeating stuff somebody said. Just like you tinker in photoshop, I tinker in zbrush. Just like you, if I don't like something, I have no problem fixing it.

Now I bought SAV's Alpha male M5 and there's a few things I wanted to change bodywise on it, so I did. So I sculpted a different body on him. Hips, chest, abs, glutes, feet, thighs... just like Blackhearted did with the Girl Next Door for V4. Then I softed up the shape so it doesn't have any hard cuts in it. Instantly, this body shape blows away anything you could do with M4 or Gen3. (And I haven't shown you his back ;) ). The same thing could be done with a female model if you or someone else wanted. This is a shift on how you do things, and sure M5 has less polys to work with... but it doesn't look like it's really made a difference when you figure out how to work the mesh.

Now, I wanted to put him in something sexy... guess what? No one really made sexy underwear for M4... but they sure did for David 3... and I have lots of gen3 stuff sitting in my runtime.... so bam... he's wearing David 3's underwear. Did I buy more stuff? Nope, and let me tell you... this looked a disaster on M4 because when i converted it, it put a nasty split right up the crotch. And also: I didn't have to do much fussing with clothing, because now this custom body shape is going to fit work with all my clothing. And now, i get to pull my gen3 clothing that I could never use with Gen4 and play with that as well.

tbh, i don't see a vast improvement on him compared to M4/V4 figures you see in the gallery, especially those with ezskin2 or high quality textures, or with V4 WM. It's all dependent on the artist. Theres hundreds of examples but here's one using V4.2.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2396815&top_rated&&page=2&np

She looks nice, smooth, and sure she has a few minor creases, but other than that the quality is very similar to what you posted. Art wise the V4.2 image looks better imo. The average user won't even notice the diffence.

But that was my point. You said you sculpted his body and softened it. The average user won't know how to do that, and probably doesn't even know what a mesh is, or even care. Most of my M4 clothes looks good on M4. M4 and V4 look really good. I don't use M3. For me, and the average user, there's no point in fitting something to Genesis, when i can just fit it on M4! That's why we stick with what works for us and what we prefer using. I have no plans on updating to Genesis in the near future.

"Nope the person said nothing about DSON"

I did mention DSON in my post =)

I wanted to comment, but it is useless.... Male3D's just in the wrong forum.

WE - DO - NOT - WANT - DS - NOR - DSON. Need a hammer to knock it in ???

DSON is a try and run, try and miss, with HUGE and heavy polluted files sizes that bring nothing spectacular.

Poser has to get its tools together????? What a joke.

It is like asking Mercedes to run a Volkswagen engine in their car.
What a joke...
But?
Thanks for the smile.

My modified VW Golf rapes a mercedes on the track. Be careful what you compare. And it still costs less. Thats a joke:) And Vilters, what is this we stuff like you speak for all Poser users? You don't even use v4. You keep playing with those low poly Lego figures:) Mel is right in a lot of ways, BUT unfortunately he is preaching to the wrong crowd.

Male_M3dia :
Ya worked hard on ya warrior ,you accomplished your goal ,congrats.
Ya See how when I was responding to whbos
I put at least that's how it works in Studio.
If you would be so kind as to to say stuff
like at least that's how it works in Studio
it would help us avoid a lot of flames.
Thanks

wimvdb :
I like ya Replacement batteries ,very funny.
Male_M3dia forgot to say that's how it works in Studio.
We appreciate ya education us that it's not how it works in are Poser.
Thanks
But it's ok if ya only informed us once.

Even thou some are Hobbyist ,some are Pro's

We can all be professional on the forums.

Thanks

Quote - Male_M3dia :
Ya worked hard on ya warrior ,you accomplished your goal ,congrats.
Ya See how when I was responding to whbos
I put at least that's how it works in Studio.
If you would be so kind as to to say stuff
like at least that's how it works in Studio
it would help us avoid a lot of flames.
Thanks

wimvdb :
I like ya Replacement batteries ,very funny.
Male_M3dia forgot to say that's how it works in Studio.
We appreciate ya education us that it's not how it works in are Poser.
Thanks
But it's ok if ya only informed us once.

---

Even thou some are Hobbyist ,some are Pro's

We can all be professional on the forums.

Thanks

Yes back on topic. Bottom line V4 content developement will live for as long as there are users with Poser versions prior to Poser9, where V4 is queen:)

Quote - Male_M3dia :
Ya worked hard on ya warrior ,you accomplished your goal ,congrats.
Ya See how when I was responding to whbos
I put at least that's how it works in Studio.
If you would be so kind as to to say stuff
like at least that's how it works in Studio
it would help us avoid a lot of flames.
Thanks

wimvdb :
I like ya Replacement batteries ,very funny.
Male_M3dia forgot to say that's how it works in Studio.
We appreciate ya education us that it's not how it works in are Poser.
Thanks
But it's ok if ya only informed us once.

---

Even thou some are Hobbyist ,some are Pro's

We can all be professional on the forums.

Thanks

But you know, i think all of you forgot I addressed the differences between M4/V4 and the fact that you don't have to invest in new stuff. None of you can dispute that, no matter where I did it.

It goes without saying until Poser natively supports DSON, it's ALL done in DS then ported to Poser... so there's no need to point out anything.

However here's the thing I want to impress upon those that keep saying "but this is Poser"... if DSON doesn't continue development and we've seen all then new poser figures/mods do their crash and burn over the last year... what's your options moving forward? You've already seen DAZ move forward, and meanwhile threads like this keep popping up in the Poser forums. Gen4 is DAZ's product as well, not Smith Micro's... and not much new Gen4 stuff is popping up in DAZ's store... So I can see Gen4 going into the vault within the next one to two years, and I know it's not going to be a rush to DS.... without new users to buy into the gen4 stuff... vendors are most likely going to stop making stuff rather in Poser than switch to DS. And if they don't it's going to rough as there will be a fight over which figure to support, and that struggle is probably going to shake more vendors out... and that's not going to be pretty to see.

Some of you may not think it's that important, but I think it's important that SM and DAZ work out the issues, and get DSON working well in Poser. Both companies do different things well; DAZ does content, and I'm sure after about 2 years, they've shifted their business plan to minimize things if DSON doesn't make it's way into Poser, however, there's not much happening in Poser to get more people excited and onto their new features for figures in Poser 9/2012. WMV4? Nope, that's good for people that have V4 already and that's still DAZ; she gets vaulted and it's instantly dead in water cause new people can't get it. And we've seen the lack of content for others because they don't offer as much flexibility as V4. And good luck getting male/child support, we all know who did them, even if it was at a loss.

And it's fine that you throw eggs at Genesis. However, I think if the DSON experiment fails, you'd better start looking at either learning how to make your own content moving forward or start supporting other non-DAZ figures now so when Gen4 hits the vault you're not left high and dry... since there won't be any Poser-specific figures coming from DAZ... not when Genesis is driving their sales.

I think the "DAZ Vault" was quietly declared a failed strategy, as I saw many of the formerly vaulted items when I was perusing the "Get" category when filling up my BOGO cart...

This is how I see it.

V4 - will be vaulted in 2-3 years

After being vaulted - content support will continue long after due to its huge market base. There is still lots of money to be made with existing users

Genesis & DSON will not be stopped - It will become the new figure standard in Poser and Daz. Usage will improve.

All SM or other figures will always remain as niche figures on a small scale - not because they are bad, but because there are no structures to maintain them marketing wise and get vendors onboard. These are strictly for Humanoid figures.

Niche stand alone toons and creatures might still do well, but stand a longer lifespan as morphs for Genesis, meaning they have immediate content support for all other Genesis shapes such as Gen3,4 & 5.

So to sum up, regardless what figure is used now, V4 content will always be around, because it is still the most used figure. But in time that will change.

There's only one thing I'm sure of: people are lousy at making predictions.  Whatever you think the future will be like is probably wrong.  And experts are likely to be wronger than most. 

Maybe DSON will actually become decent, and Poser users will flood into Genesis en masse.  Maybe DAZ will change their minds and make Victoria 6 or 7 a figure that works natively in Poser.  Stranger things have happened.  Maybe the DS and Poser markets will part ways, and DS users will no longer bother to come here to the Poser forum and Poser users will no longer visit DAZ.  If that happens, who will be the new queen?  V4 may reign longer than many think.  As long as there's money to be made, DAZ will keep her available.  Or maybe they'd even sell the gen 4 figures to SM or a third party.  Poser users might get behind an entirely new figure, once Vicky is not sucking all the oxygen out of the room.  Or Poser might become a more fragmented market, with many different figures (I could see utilities like WW and the magic of shaders making that far easier than it used to be). 

I'm not going to make purchases based on what I hope will happen in the future.   For all I know, DSON will end up like Bryce and Hexagon - DAZ's redheaded stepchildren.  IME, if you wait for DAZ to fix something, quite often the only thing you get is older.

m3dia, you've been blowing about v4 being vaulted since ds4 and dson came out, but

We know how much of a commercial success ds4 and endless updates has been, simply by looking at the price. 

Some are having good luck with dson, some are having nothing but problems. 

You constantly berate every figure made by anyone but daz, but there are some of us that use these figures and are quite satisfied with what we get from them.  Your comments in that regard are as irrelevant as they come.  From what I've seen from you, you only  use m5 now, such is your thing, and also irrelevant to anything I or anyone else does. 

Although I have everything from P5 through PP2012, there are still a lot that are using older versions of Poser, for which the gen thing and dson are 100% useless.  They're not buying genesis thngs.

And probably genesis is driving daz sales, to rdna, cp, rendo, Poserworld, and a hundred other vendors.  I'm contemplating one $28 purchase from daz, which will probably be the extent of my purchases from daz for 2013 and maybe beyond. 

Explain to me again why I should spend hours trying to get the gene thing to look like Antonia WM when I can get Antonia WM with two clicks of the mouse.  I think I might have missed that the last time around.

OR, give it up.  If you're happy with the gen thing and having to use both Poser and ds to get things to work, have at it.  Just don't expect the rest of us to jump on what may in the end turn out to be a sinking ship, ds may be the flagship of daz, but it's one very leaky ship.

Doric.

I Don't know what the future holds ? Just know what I want to see in the future.
Tomorrow would do.

I want a mesh that
will morph in to any character that I can think of in a matter of seconds very easily.

I want a mesh that will auto UVMap it's self in 0.5 seconds
So I Don't half to worry about UVMaps.

I want to texure the mesh just the way I want it in a matter of seconds very easily.

I want to be able to make any cloths ,armor etc etc not matter how complicated
in a matter of seconds very easily.

I want it to auto rig perfectly so every thing is perfect
in a matter of seconds very easily.

Think that would be a good start.

So where does this thread go now lol? I'm pretty sure we covered why content for V4 still exists:)

Don't hear a lot about
Stock Poser characters ,All the stand alone characters ,My Michelle etc etc.

Why ?

We fight over V4 vs V5
It's more or less the same mesh in C4D,zBrush.

Why ?

Who rules CGI ?
Who's the best CGI Artist ?

The answer to the last two is Pixar:)

:lol:

No cat photos please..........................why is it always cats....cant it be hamsters?

All the best.

LROG

AHHHH thats so cute. I love them. I have 2 dwarf hamsters that keep me company when I work.

Quote - I think the "DAZ Vault" was quietly declared a failed strategy, as I saw many of the formerly vaulted items when I was perusing the "Get" category when filling up my BOGO cart...

Exactly!

I seriously thought of buying some M2 and V2 stuff that I'd never picked up, like the PC club fantasy suits.

Many of Daz's vendors sell gen 4 stuff on other sites. Wouldn't Daz suffer a bit of a PR crisis among their own vendors (not to mention a whole lot of customers) if they vaulted the gen 4 base figures before their addons stopped selling?

LOL Daz is always in a PR Crisis. It won't really affect content sales. As long as the content is available somewhere life will go on. New V4 content is already extinct at Daz's site, but people moved on knowing it is available elsewhere. Big deal if V4 gets shelved, we all have her anyways. New users are most likely to jump on the Genesis bandwagon and get her Legacy shape, not a stand alone figure over 6 years old. But Daz wont scrap her, they just turned her from a free figure into a selling one, and if people still want her its more money for them:)

DAZ knows there's 500,000 High end CGI App users like C4D ,Max etc etc.
Genesis was made for High End App's.

Quote - DAZ knows there's 500,000 High end CGI App users like C4D ,Max etc etc.
Genesis was made for High End App's.

Genesis was made for Daz Studio. It won't work in high end apps as far as I know.

A quick check of the first page of PoserWorld clothing listing, 18 items for non daz figures, including Anastasia, Antonia, Tyler, Miki4, Kez, and fewer than ten for the daz figures, zero for genesis.   Dynamic for some, that Poser can use. That's only one page, go further and you'll find far more v4-m4, even v3-m3. 

Some for K4, the PT's, some for V4, M4, exactly zero for genesis, and no listing for genesis in the catalog.  Support for the gen 4 and earlier isn't going away.

Skankwear, go to daz.  Something real people would wear and not have to worry about being arrested, don't look at daz, there isn't much. Daz turned their collective backs on a lot of us, now we turn our backs to daz.  I will probably make two more purchases this afternoon, then I will have everything in the daz store that I would want from them.  Landscapes, not clothing.

Doric.

Quote - > Quote - DAZ knows there's 500,000 High end CGI App users like C4D ,Max etc etc.

Genesis was made for High End App's.

Genesis was made for Daz Studio. It won't work in high end apps as far as I know.

Any of Poser or Studios meshes can be used in Highend App's.
All the meshes where made in some Main App that does Modeling ,Mapping etc etc App.
A lot of them where made in Highend App's.
So of course you can use them in Highend App's.

Genesis is the first mesh from Poser ,Studio that's made for Highend App's thou.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - DAZ knows there's 500,000 High end CGI App users like C4D ,Max etc etc.

Genesis was made for High End App's.

Genesis was made for Daz Studio. It won't work in high end apps as far as I know.

 

Any of Poser or Studios meshes can be used in Highend App's.
All the meshes where made in some Main App that does Modeling ,Mapping etc etc App.
A lot of them where made in Highend App's.
So of course you can use them in Highend App's.

Genesis is the first mesh from Poser ,Studio that's made for Highend App's thou.

You can export the mesh and some of its rigging to other apps. Like you can with other rigged meshes. But we have been always told that genesis is more than just a mesh and a simple weithmap rig. Explain why this is more suited and why those pros would fall for it? SubD can't be the only thing....

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - DAZ knows there's 500,000 High end CGI App users like C4D ,Max etc etc.

Genesis was made for High End App's.

Genesis was made for Daz Studio. It won't work in high end apps as far as I know.

 

Any of Poser or Studios meshes can be used in Highend App's.
All the meshes where made in some Main App that does Modeling ,Mapping etc etc App.
A lot of them where made in Highend App's.
So of course you can use them in Highend App's.

Genesis is the first mesh from Poser ,Studio that's made for Highend App's thou.

You can export the mesh and some of its rigging to other apps. Like you can with other rigged meshes. But we have been always told that genesis is more than just a mesh and a simple weithmap rig. Explain why this is more suited and why those pros would fall for it? SubD can't be the only thing....

 

The rules for modeling in Highend App's are.

1:Polygone Tri's are triangles ,There considered an abomination.
2:Polygone Quad's are square in ya mesh.ya mesh should be 100% Quads.
3:If ya see a vertices " dot ,point " that has more the 5 lines attached to it .It's bad modeling.

4:If your modeling a character to be rigged.
You need a descent Polycount around 20 ,000 ,
So you can make a descent Rigg that bends properly.

Break any of these rules and your not considered good enough.
You will not be accepted in to the club.

V3 broke all the rules ,not acceptable
V4 only broke rule 4 ,not acceptable
V5 is acceptable

... Rant ...

Quote - Some of you may not think it's that important, but I think it's important that SM and DAZ work out the issues, and get DSON working well in Poser.

Why should Smith Micro make DSON work in Poser when tons of stuff from Poser still doesn't work in DStudio?

Just because DAZ decieded to get into the program businees does not mean that another company should make that work in theirs.

It's comical to think that people want all of Daz's stuff to work in Poser.

News Flash.... Genesis doesn't work in anything else either folks......

When will DStudio fully support Poser? My guess is never, and we all know why if you stop and think about it....

If you are all bent on using Genesis, you obviously already have the program to use it in anyway.

So use it, and stop expecting another company to adopt something that no other company wants either.

... End Rant....

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - DAZ knows there's 500,000 High end CGI App users like C4D ,Max etc etc.

Genesis was made for High End App's.

Genesis was made for Daz Studio. It won't work in high end apps as far as I know.

 

Any of Poser or Studios meshes can be used in Highend App's.
All the meshes where made in some Main App that does Modeling ,Mapping etc etc App.
A lot of them where made in Highend App's.
So of course you can use them in Highend App's.

Genesis is the first mesh from Poser ,Studio that's made for Highend App's thou.

You can export the mesh and some of its rigging to other apps. Like you can with other rigged meshes. But we have been always told that genesis is more than just a mesh and a simple weithmap rig. Explain why this is more suited and why those pros would fall for it? SubD can't be the only thing....

 

The rules for modeling in Highend App's are.

1:Polygone Tri's are triangles ,There considered an abomination.
2:Polygone Quad's are square in ya mesh.ya mesh should be 100% Quads.
3:If ya see a vertices " dot ,point " that has more the 5 lines attached to it .It's bad modeling.

4:If your modeling a character to be rigged.
You need a descent Polycount around 20 ,000 ,
So you can make a descent Rigg that bends properly.

Break any of these rules and your not considered good enough.
You will not be accepted in to the club.

V3 broke all the rules ,not acceptable
V4 only broke rule 4 ,not acceptable
V5 is acceptable

So that is only the mesh and how it is build. I am sure they can build similar quality meshes themselves. In your definition the lowres V4 would have done just as well?
I still have it around - in several levels of subdivision

"Why should Smith Micro make DSON work in Poser when tons of stuff from Poser still doesn't work in DStudio?"

Because noone in the future will want to pay $500 for a program that can only use crappy old figures.  ;-)

20,000 polys? I think that may be a mistake.

All the best.

LROG

Quote - So that is only the mesh and how it is build. I am sure they can build similar quality meshes themselves. In your definition the lowres V4 would have done just as well?
I still have it around - in several levels of subdivision

That's the kicker.
They rag us for using Poser ,Studio.
But when they need a character where do they go ? Poser ,Studio.
Maybe a handful 5 to 25 the could make Vicky ,Micheal.
The other 499,975 can make some killer cars.
The handful 5 to 25 could spend weeks making one mesh like Vicky ,
but then they would half to spend a few more weeks making Micheal.
Then weeks making close etc etc.

not about to go low rez vs genesis
every one is free to use what every they want :)

As opposed to a paying nothing for a worse figure! Lol.

All the best.

LROG

Time for more cat pictures! I find having more polys makes it easier for me to make morphs. But then I am a rank amatuer in that area.It took me many hours to push and pull polygons to make V4 look like Meg Fox and I wanted MORE polys in the tip of her nose-to add the slight vertical crease that the real Meg has-so I missed on that account. I think I could have subdivided the mesh- made the crease-then exported it as a displacement map-but thave not done so.

My final conclusions are that- Gene works in Poser-sorta-but WAY too slow for me to bother much. I rarely use male characters (answering M3D) so V4-WM is fine for me. In essence-I have ZERO Nekkid (or nearly Nekkid) M4 in a Temple with Sword renders. I am about to make a fully armored Eric Northman M4 render-with an Impractically armored V4 Elf render. V4 Elves naturally wear skimpy exotic armor btw. :-)

Most importantly-whatever works for anyone is fine by me! M3M makes a point of only rendering M figures- OK! He has stated that many times-so I THINK I get it. If I had any interest in Nearly Nekkid M4 in a Temple-I would think M3 was right. And he IS for his uses! Not mine-but that is OK.

Vitters likes his low poly figures? Great! DPHoadley only likes Posette? Great!

Will Zygote stop making new clothes for Posette? They did-long ago. But DPH still uses her. Hmnnnn.....

Even if Daz stopped making V4 stuff- would it matter? There are many other sources that still make V4 stuff.

Please post more cute animal pics!

Quote - > Quote - So that is only the mesh and how it is build. I am sure they can build similar quality meshes themselves. In your definition the lowres V4 would have done just as well?

I still have it around - in several levels of subdivision

That's the kicker.
They rag us for using Poser ,Studio.
But when they need a character where do they go ? Poser ,Studio.
Maybe a handful 5 to 25 the could make Vicky ,Micheal.
The other 499,975 can make some killer cars.
The handful 5 to 25 could spend weeks making one mesh like Vicky ,
but then they would half to spend a few more weeks making Micheal.
Then weeks making close etc etc.

not about to go low rez vs genesis
every one is free to use what every they want :)

 

Ok, so it is all about the mesh and the clothing. But the whole cloth fitting thing, the morphing transfers, the triax weightmapping system are all tied to DS.
So to be able to use the clothing and morph sets and rigging, they need to implement something similar to the DSON importer (at least someone has to do it).

Or are they only interested in the unmorphed figure and clothing meshes? If that is the case, they could have gone for the lowres V4 and M4 - With genesis they get a neutered mesh as default.

All the best.

LROG

Quote -  

A quick check of the first page of PoserWorld clothing listing, 18 items for non daz figures, including Anastasia, Antonia, Tyler, Miki4, Kez, and fewer than ten for the daz figures, zero for genesis.   Dynamic for some, that Poser can use. That's only one page, go further and you'll find far more v4-m4, even v3-m3. 

Some for K4, the PT's, some for V4, M4, exactly zero for genesis, and no listing for genesis in the catalog.  Support for the gen 4 and earlier isn't going away.

Skankwear, go to daz.  Something real people would wear and not have to worry about being arrested, don't look at daz, there isn't much. Daz turned their collective backs on a lot of us, now we turn our backs to daz.  I will probably make two more purchases this afternoon, then I will have everything in the daz store that I would want from them.  Landscapes, not clothing.

Doric.

How did Daz turn their backs on Poser users? By Getting off their asses trying to develop some new tech while SM wasnt interested and was quite happy with minor updates to their app each year relying on V4/M4? V4 is over 6 years old for crying out loud. Time for a change. Genesis is a marvel. We all want better tech and improvements but as soon as it threatens your comfort zone its a big issue because your app of choice doesn't support it properly? What has SM done to improve figures? Release WM capabilities so they can recycle their old figures? At least Daz is attempting to get Genesis to work in Poser something they don't have to do. And if Daz was soo worried about loosing the Poser customer base, they would still push V4 content. I use Both Apps, Poser for some, and Daz for Genesis. Stop with this app loyalty shit. It's downright stupid.

Quote - Because noone in the future will want to pay $500 for a program that can only use crappy old figures.

Then use the free program that people don't seem to want to use it in now anyway.

They want it to work in the $500 dollar one already.

And since they want it to work in it, they already own it.

Better yet why don't people want to use it in the program it was designed to work in, in the first place? They are complaining that something doesn't work in another program, and they have the program that it works in already, for free to boot!!!!

Oh, wait... nevermind..... I know that answer....

If Smith Micro adopts Genesis into Poser, it will boost DAZ's sales enormously, and SM will have to pay DAZ to put it into Poser at the same time. Thats a loose loose situtation. If all the Poser stuff worked in DS, it would boost SM sales as well, and in case you have not noticed there is lots of stuff in Poser that doesn't work in DS.

What if DAZ changes the EULA on Genesis so only they can sell products for it? None of it is open source, so they can do that. Where would that leave Smith Micro, Renderosity, RuntimeDNA, etc????

Why should SM pay to make their own program obsolete?

If it did the same thing as DStudio, what would you need Poser for in the first place?

Your line of thinking would bankrupt more than a few people....

I don't see Autodesk, Side Effects, Maxon, E-on, etc, etc, etc, lining up and adopting Genesis.....

Daz played the cards perfectly to get Genesis into Poser, they started it in the forums saying that Poser does not support it yet. Assuning that it should, and convincing many people that it would. Now they have tons of people complaining that it doesn't work in Poser, and that it should. Yada. Yada....

That was marketing at its best.

What they didn't plan on was SM saying no..... opps.... now what.....

Daz has most of their eggs in the graphics basket, SM does not....

Quote - Time for a snack break!

All the best.

LROG

LOL where are you getting those pics?

All the best.

LROG

I wondered where that teddy bear went too... That little rat.....

Quote - > Quote - Because noone in the future will want to pay $500 for a program that can only use crappy old figures.

Then use the free program that people don't seem to want to use it in now anyway.

They want it to work in the $500 dollar one already.

And since they want it to work in it, they already own it.

Better yet why don't people want to use it in the program it was designed to work in, in the first place? They are complaining that something doesn't work in another program, and they have the program that it works in already, for free to boot!!!!

Oh, wait... nevermind..... I know that answer....

If Smith Micro adopts Genesis into Poser, it will boost DAZ's sales enormously, and SM will have to pay DAZ to put it into Poser at the same time. Thats a loose loose situtation. If all the Poser stuff worked in DS, it would boost SM sales as well, and in case you have not noticed there is lots of stuff in Poser that doesn't work in DS.

What if DAZ changes the EULA on Genesis so only they can sell products for it? None of it is open source, so they can do that. Where would that leave Smith Micro, Renderosity, RuntimeDNA, etc????

Why should SM pay to make their own program obsolete?

If it did the same thing as DStudio, what would you need Poser for in the first place?

Your line of thinking would bankrupt more than a few people....

I don't see Autodesk, Side Effects, Maxon, E-on, etc, etc, etc, lining up and adopting Genesis.....

Daz played the cards perfectly to get Genesis into Poser, they started it in the forums saying that Poser does not support it yet. Assuning that it should, and convincing many people that it would. Now they have tons of people complaining that it doesn't work in Poser, and that it should. Yada. Yada....

That was marketing at its best.

What they didn't plan on was SM saying no..... opps.... now what.....

Daz has most of their eggs in the graphics basket, SM does not....

Most don't use Daz cause they are too lazy to learn the interface. I did and I find it better than Posers. Even if an app is free, if the interface is intimidating, most will give it a pass. Most of these users are hobbiest, it took them long enough to learn Poser, and don't feel like learning another app, so they want it where they are comfortable in.

All the best.

LROG

SM has been caught sleeping at the wheel, and now they pay the price for it.

Poser used to be the standard because you needed Poser to rig.

Now Studio has better rigging tools than Poser.

I don't see Poser being able to survive on the upgrades of old users. They need new users.

But for those new users one look at the default Poser meshes will be enough to recoil in horror and download Studio instead.

Yes, Poser still has a slight edge in the render engine, but without an attractive set of figures, a set that is in each and any regard better than Genesis, this means absolutely nothing.

Not for new users who's judgement isn't clouded by years of V4 cloth hoarding or years of familiarisation with the Poser UI.

If I were a new user just dabbling into 3D, I wouldn't even think for a second about shelling out $500 for Poser.

Yes, SM is between a rock and a hard place.

But that's their own fault for believing  the third crappy make-over of MIKI or a hasty weightmap of their horrible default meshes would be enough to compete with DAZ.

I'm a Poser user and I will be so in the foreseeable future.

But I feel less hurt by DAZ for "abandoning" me than I am by SM for thinking their "content" would be good enough for my art.

Quote - SM has been caught sleeping at the wheel, and now they pay the price for it.

Poser used to be the standard because you needed Poser to rig.

Now Studio has better rigging tools than Poser.

I don't see Poser being able to survive on the upgrades of old users. They need new users.

But for those new users one look at the default Poser meshes will be enough to recoil in horror and download Studio instead.

Yes, Poser still has a slight edge in the render engine, but without an attractive set of figures, a set that is in each and any regard better than Genesis, this means absolutely nothing.

Not for new users who's judgement isn't clouded by years of V4 cloth hoarding or years of familiarisation with the Poser UI.

If I were a new user just dabbling into 3D, I wouldn't even think for a second about shelling out $500 for Poser.

 

 

Why not? You have Miki4 and Tyler:) Best supported figures ever:) Sad isn't it? Poser seems so bland without Daz Figures....So stop the hating and be grateful:) We all give Daz a hard time but they have provided us with figures used by most. Just because their latest and greatest isn't perfect in Poser, is no reason to get angry, it will improve....

Quote - Most don't use Daz cause they are too lazy to learn the interface. I did and I find it better than Posers. Even if an app is free, if the interface is intimidating, most will give it a pass. Most of these users are hobbiest, it took them long  enough to learn Poser, and don't feel like learning another app.

While that might be true, its totally beside the point. There are other affordable apps out there that people use for hobby, and you don't see those users in the Genesis debate do you?

If you passed up on Daz because of the interface that's your own issue, and your own loss if you must have Genesis. The interface is not that hard to learn.

If full Genesis support was added to Poser, they would have to relearn Poser as well. That would also force all users of Poser to relearn things. If you are an advanced Poser user, you have to learn an entirely new system as well.

Not to mention that they will have to entirely rewrite Poser to support it as well.

Ironically, Daz owns a very similar interface to Poser, and chooses not to use it in Studio..... I guess that people must think thats SMs fault too.....