(Munches waffle with apricot jam, waiting for model helicopter to charge, then going to play with cats again.  Cursing cheap emachines keyboard)

Glitterati, I lost nearly half of my left eye a few years ago, kmow what you're feeling.  Right there with you.

Doric.

Take care!!

Thank you, Eric.

Some computer programs and web pages hurt my eyes like someone is shining a flashlight directly into them.  I've managed to find some web page solutions, but some programs simply aren't useable for me anymore.  After a few minutes, the pain is excruiating.

Sorry- I was a little too harsh.Moriador tweaked my funny bone with the Blue Skivvies comment and I could not resist. I already stated that Genesis/Daz folk-are spot on-for their purposes. So I don't claim one is BETTER than the OTHER- I can truly see why M3D prefers Genesis.

No one can argue what is best for ME- and I won't argue what is best for THEM.

But those are the main reasons I don't use Daz. If they could match the render quality I would play more. I realize MY reasons don't matter to many-but then again-I already said that whatever works best for a person-is right for them.Genesis in Daz IS pretty cool. But it's not currently what I find best.

If Lux was fast-I might play more as well. I also use VUE- and Poser scenes open right up-even animations. On the other hand- VUE does not have the quality of SSS for skin that I want either. I have Lightwave 11- and that DOES have the SSS skin quality I prefer. It also can open Poser Scenes with ease.

Bring on the Kitties!

Quote - (Munches waffle with apricot jam, waiting for model helicopter to charge, then going to play with cats again.  Cursing cheap emachines keyboard)

Glitterati, I lost nearly half of my left eye a few years ago, kmow what you're feeling.  Right there with you.

Doric.

Quote - (Munches waffle with apricot jam, waiting for model helicopter to charge, then going to play with cats again.  Cursing cheap emachines keyboard)

Glitterati, I lost nearly half of my left eye a few years ago, kmow what you're feeling.  Right there with you.

Doric.

Thanks, Doric! 

Example of non-blinding DAZ Studio interface and how to change it:

http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/art/Customizing-DAZ-Studio-Interface-Tutorial-1-309379885

Tutorials and enough of a manual for DAZ Studio for me to learn it:

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/start

http://www.daz3d.com/help/help-daz-3d-video-tutorials

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/start

It's about a gawd awful GUI.  With NO documentation.<<

Use Poser if you prefer it but enough with the lies.

Quote - Bring on the Kitties!

Quote - (Munches waffle with apricot jam, waiting for model helicopter to charge, then going to play with cats again.  Cursing cheap emachines keyboard)

Glitterati, I lost nearly half of my left eye a few years ago, kmow what you're feeling.  Right there with you.

Doric.

Angel ignores it, Friskie hides, Mischu thinks it's a big dragonfly.  Sometimes he gets it.  Then it's flopping on the floor until the overload circutry cuts it, next comes getting to it before he does.

Doric.

Quote - >>It's about a gawd awful GUI.  With NO documentation.<<

Use Poser if you prefer it but enough with the lies.

I'm sorry but it is aggression like this that also turns me off DS and what gets the threads closed here at Rendeorsity.

I've no idea who mentioned documentation and I can't be bothered to look back to find out but as far as I know there has never been complete documentation for DS produced by the owners of it and it is something that has turned me away from it too. I have only managed to learn as much as I have about it with some very patient friends.

Janl. put a complaint in to the Mods and Admin. maybe if we complain enough, the trolls (on BOTH SIDES) will finally get the boot.

I'm sorry but it is aggression like this that also turns me off DS and what gets the threads closed here at Rendeorsity.<<

Glitterati says "It's about a gawd awful GUI.  With NO documentation", I provide links to documentation and how to fix the UI and I'M the one who's being aggressive and turning you off DS?

Quote - Moriador! That was my reason exactly! :-) I played with it for awhile. It kept crashing. Finally a more stable version 4 came out. I played. I corresponded with the Daz "pros" who claimed that Daz could match PoserPro2012 with SSS. Never saw it. In the real world-if you back light ears-they show red "glow". Poser can do that- Daz can't. Ultimately-it was render quality.

The lighting philosophy (Hollywood Blvd Street Light Thingie) is also quite counter intuitive for those who have been users of other programs (Lightwave, Carrara, Poser, etc).

But mainly it was the Blue Underwear issue that I could not work around

I am SOOO glad I'm not the only one. In my house, we do all the laundry together, but sometimes that means that the hubby picks up my clothes by accident. To resolve this, he wears blue and I wear pink, and he know not to touch the pink, and I know not to touch the blue. To be forced to change that for a CGI app... It might have meant the end of our marriage. ;)

In some houses, it's a red-blue political divide, of course. And in others, it may have something to do with worship of sea gods. But really, in the end, I'd expect software creators to be more sensitive, ya know.

Quote - >>I'm sorry but it is aggression like this that also turns me off DS and what gets the threads closed here at Rendeorsity.<<

 

Glitterati says "It's about a gawd awful GUI.  With NO documentation", I provide links to documentation and how to fix the UI and I'M the one who's being aggressive and turning you off DS?

That is not COMPLETE documentation. It is a WIP.

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/finding_loading_and_organizing_content/start

Quote - This page is a WIP. There are likely to be incomplete and or missing steps while the page is being built.

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/finding_loading_and_organizing_content/tutorials/content_directory_manager/start

I have tried following this sort of documentation and it doesn't work so yes, you were being unreasonable and aggressive. And yes, it does turn me off DS.

I didn't say it was perfect and I agree that Studio needs full documentation, but I learned Studio from it and so have a lot of other people. It is more than Glitterati said was available (none). The video tutorials explain a lot of the missing parts too.

Saying that there is no documentation at all and that the interface is blinding and gawd-awful when it can be fixed is a LIE, and attempting to prove that it isn't so is not being unreasonable and aggressive.

Of course, if were criticizing a DAZ product instead of defending one, my comment would have been considered just fine...

Why still Gen 4? 

Because I can take any piece of Gen4 clothing content into either Wardrobe Wizard and/or Xdresser and it is now available for all of the niche characters that I own, DAZ and non-DAZ alike.  Missing clothing morphs?  No problem - pull it into Morphing Clothes, and I can load all morphs into the clothing - and it doesn't slow my system (Xeon workstation) down to a crawl.  With genesis, I am limited to what is available for genesis.

I don't need another niche character (I got lots and lots and lots of them).  Especially one that requires exponentially more work to integrate it into my workflow.  (I do more than NGIATWAS renders - I storyboard scenes with multiple characters.)

"New" doesn't necessarily mean better - genesis has already sprouted a cottage industry of 3rd party product fixes for the flaws in the genesis mesh - ironically, most of the fixes address flaws in genesis' bending ability (a "feature" over Gen4).

"Reliable" is more important to me than "new, undocumented, unreliable, and uproven".

Reliable is why things like Object-Oriented COBOL exist.  It isn't sexy, it isn't exciting - it just works - each time - every time.

"Award Winning" isn't very important either - I have a couple of shelves of "Award Winning" software that failed in the marketplace.

I am hesitant to add the genesis or DS to my workflow precisely because I am/was a long term DAZ customer - with a long-term memory of past DAZ software failures over the past 8 years. 

Then there is DAZ itself.  They are a textbook example of a company whose reach has exceeded it's employee's capabilities.  Managing a hobby shop doesn't give you the skill-sets to manage software projects.

None of their software has current documentation and DAZ historically hasn't supported the OSX platform very well - 4.5 was the first version that didn't crash within 30 seconds of load-up on my computer, and I had to PM DAZ's CTO to get that issue addressed (Oops, it never occurred to us to update our API libraries).  Then there are the misadventures (and lack of documentation) with Bryce, Cararra, and Hexagon.

Then there is the whole lack of "fit and finish" to their software, which is a testament to the programmers' skill sets (or lack there-of).

Then there is the sheer lack of content for genesis once you move out of fantasy or cheesecake renders - The vendors outside of DAZ have by and large rejected genesis - I was around for the Gen3/Gen4 change-over.  There was literally no new content for V3 at any storefront after 90 days of V4's release.  A similar changeover from Gen4/Gen5 hasn't taken place.  And I don't expect it to happen in the future - the learning curve is steep - it is steeper when the content creator doesn't have any documentation to reference. YouTube videos simply don't cut it.

Not to mention the fact that a large portion of available genesis content is simply reworked Gen4 content that I already own.  As I pointed out to another genesis vendor, his genesis version of a product wasn't THAT much better than his Gen4 version, which I already owned - the head and textures were a little better, but not $20 better, especially for a product that I may or may not use very often.

I really think that the genesis vendors in this thread should spend more time harassing DAZ to get their software act together, rather than berating potential customers for not using software that we have downloaded, judged, and found inadequate for our use.

Everyone needs to tone this back a bit.

I thought this thread was trolling when it started, but it has taken 10 pages for it to finally arrive where Genesis vs whatever threads always arrive.

Give it a rest with the finger-pointing and attacks in all directions.

(I'm not even the major moderator for Poser anymore, and I'm STILL getting complaints in my mailbox and breaking up this same fight! Go figger!)

rather than berating potential customers for not using software that we have downloaded, judged, and found inadequate for our use.<<

No one is saying you need to switch to another program, that is yet another lie about Studio supporters and their posts that won't die around here. You make a lot of good points for why you personally should stick to Gen 4 figures and Poser. All I want to do is clear up misinformation (that Studio has no manual and the interface is always terrible in this case). I used Poser for years and have no problem with the software.

(sorry basicwiz, cross-posted. didn't intend to go on after you said not to)

Seriously, thanks for the tut. I currently haven't installed Studio but I sure will again in the future.  :-)

Snow, if by now you haven't figured out that you're not going to convince someone that has run into problems with ds, to try, try, try, ad nauseum.  I don't care how much you give for what passes for documentation and tuts, I'm one that has been completely turned against ds and won't try again, period.  I'm not alone either. In my machines, ds starts to load, then crashes to desktop.  I'm not interested enough to try to get it to run when "add/remove" is so easy to use.  Any pushing to try something usually has the opposite effect.  More resistance, and more disbelief of those doing the pushing.  In effect, you're trying to tell me I "need" the gene thing, I'm saying I don't need it that bad.  You have no chance of me being the one that's wrong.

Doric.

LOL, thanks Joe, I'll be happy if it can help!

Doric, did you even read what I wrote above?

"No one is saying you need to switch to another program, that is yet another lie about Studio supporters and their posts that won't die around here."  and "All I want to do is clear up misinformation"

I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO USE ANYTHING. PERIOD.

Please take all further responses to Snowsultan on this matter to sitemail. There has been enough of it in this thread.

Warning #2.

Why V4 products?

My take is this. If I were using Poser 7 or let's say Poser 5 (because some artists have stated they are still using P5), Genesis would not be available to me at all. I am however using Poser Pro 2012, and it still isn't really available to me because of the hurdles one must jump to get a version of Genesis into Poser. If DAZ would release a set of Gen5 figures that would easily work with older versions of Poser, then I would be interested. (Yeah, I have the weight mapped version of V4 and I don't use her because I'm not going to convert each and every piece of clothing I've accumulated over the years.)

You should adopt the new wizbang technologies, it's the wave of the future!

New is not always better. I have a first gen PS3 game machine. It IS backward compatible and allows me to play PS2 games on it. I was playing Champions of Norath last week with a friend. Newer PS3 machines are no longer backward compatible. I could see that coming, I just didn't think it would happen until PS4. And speaking of PS4, it is likely to use a system that will make it impossible to play used games at all on it. New technologies will imprint an ID of the game you bought onto the machine and so it can not be played on any other machine (oh, your machine breaks dow? Hmmm, we'll make you jump some more hurdles to get your new machine working with your games again, provided you have internet access.) So, no, I am probably not going to get a PS4 machine. As much as I dislike an XBox, that machine at least is not going to go with such tactics.

The above is just an example. I would have been thrilled to use DAZ's Gen5 figures as I have used every other generation of them since Vicky 1. But they went a different direction and did not release a figure that could be used by a wider audience of users. So, I'm sticking with V4 and I'm still making textures for her.

Thanks, but there's no need to continue an argument through sitemail (I have no idea what the point of that is anyway). I posted links to hopefully help anyone who might find them useful, and tried to make it clear that I'm only trying to clear up misinformation.

Quote - Why V4 products?

My take is this. If I were using Poser 7 or let's say Poser 5 (because some artists have stated they are still using P5), Genesis would not be available to me at all. I am however using Poser Pro 2012, and it still isn't really available to me because of the hurdles one must jump to get a version of Genesis into Poser. If DAZ would release a set of Gen5 figures that would easily work with older versions of Poser, then I would be interested. (Yeah, I have the weight mapped version of V4 and I don't use her because I'm not going to convert each and every piece of clothing I've accumulated over the years.)

You should adopt the new wizbang technologies, it's the wave of the future!

I think Miki 4 and Tyler are in the same boat. You really can't use them unless you upgrade to the latest version, and they were offered free to customers as incentive. The big issue is that anyone making content for them is working with an even smaller pool of customers than Genesis. But the goal for anyone is to provide enough content that people want to allow them to move into the latest version of the software.

Companies are in business to sell you the latest software and innovations, not let you hold on to the software you've used for years. SM and DAZ are working together, partly because SM wants more people to use their latest software and get on board with their new technology so that they can do more with their software. They can't offer new features if people are happy with old versions of their software. Sales fund their future research budget. If you want IDL or SSS you gotta upgrade, SM isn't going to patch Poser 7 for you; they get their money through upgrades and new sales.

What do you know that others don't seem to know about the 2 companies working together???

Are these facts or guesses? Just curious.

Quote - What do you know that others don't seem to know about the 2 companies working together???

Are these facts or guesses? Just curious.

(sigh) They've been working for a while, though not as fast as people would like. They've even said this.

(sigh) They've been working for a while, though not as fast as people would like. They've even said this.

Links?

Can we get back to the OP's subject and let the Daz vs Poser rhetoric lie? It is non-productive.

The thing is that with the Poser Material Room and Wardrobe Wizard (or CrossDresser which is my weapon of choice) stuff for V4 isn't obsolete. I very rarely use clothing on the character it was intended for anyway, I'm an obsessive converter and I like to completely redecorate all clothing items with new materials, swap bits of each outfit around and stick them on different figures. I find V4 clothing tends to convert well and there's such a good range of stuff it'll work well on lots of different figures.

As for V4 herself... she'll let herself be twisted into interesting dance poses far better than any other figures I've used and although I really like using Anastasia she's not as versatile in that direction as V4 - she doesn't have a dancer's body even though she has very much better feet! I'm still trying to find the perfect niche in my renders for Ana.

My last on this, as long as V4, Anastasia and Toni continue to serve my needs, which they do very well, thank you very much, I'll continue using them.  As long as new content comes out that interests me for the figures I use, I'll keep buying it.  If enough people keep buying it, vendors will keep making it.  Tyler is starting to look more interesting for certain male characters to me, might replace M4 eventually for most of my uses.  But that doesn't mean I'm going to delete Don, Judy and James, found places they work even better for me than V4, M4 in any of their iterations.

So why do they continue to make content for V4?  Because if it's what I want, I'll keep buying it.

Doric.

:-)

I am SOOO glad I'm not the only one. In my house, we do all the laundry together, but sometimes that means that the hubby picks up my clothes by accident. To resolve this, he wears blue and I wear pink, and he know not to touch the pink, and I know not to touch the blue. To be forced to change that for a CGI app... It might have meant the end of our marriage. ;)

In some houses, it's a red-blue political divide, of course. And in others, it may have something to do with worship of sea gods. But really, in the end, I'd expect software creators to be more sensitive, ya know.

Quote - Can we get back to the OP's subject and let the Daz vs Poser rhetoric lie? It is non-productive.

I'm going to crack open a cold Narragansett Lager; I'd pour you one too, Doug, if I could figure out how to get it to you over the 'net.  You have the patience of Job...

Quote -
I think Miki 4 and Tyler are in the same boat. You really can't use them unless you upgrade to the latest version, and they were offered free to customers as incentive. The big issue is that anyone making content for them is working with an even smaller pool of customers than Genesis. But the goal for anyone is to provide enough content that people want to allow them to move into the latest version of the software.

Companies are in business to sell you the latest software and innovations, not let you hold on to the software you've used for years. SM and DAZ are working together, partly because SM wants more people to use their latest software and get on board with their new technology so that they can do more with their software. They can't offer new features if people are happy with old versions of their software. Sales fund their future research budget. If you want IDL or SSS you gotta upgrade, SM isn't going to patch Poser 7 for you; they get their money through upgrades and new sales.

I agree!

Content makers for any version of Vicky knows multiple App's.
Poser ,Studio are considered Plugs for Highend app's.
Some plugs are 10 times bigger then Poser ,Studio.

I won't comment on why a vender only makes content for only one version of Vicky.
All I know is
Once ya make ya mesh, It's not much effort to make it work for another Vicky's version.

Quote - Content makers for any version of Vicky knows multiple App's.
Poser ,Studio are considered Plugs for Highend app's.
Some plugs are 10 times bigger then Poser ,Studio.

I won't comment on why a vender only makes content for only one version of Vicky.
All I know is
Once ya make ya mesh, It's not much effort to make it work for another Vicky's version.

Could be all those fits you have to do for each body shape morph. A good chunk of the time is spent on doing fits for any outfit.

Quote - > Quote - Content makers for any version of Vicky knows multiple App's.

Poser ,Studio are considered Plugs for Highend app's.
Some plugs are 10 times bigger then Poser ,Studio.

I won't comment on why a vender only makes content for only one version of Vicky.
All I know is
Once ya make ya mesh, It's not much effort to make it work for another Vicky's version.

Could be all those fits you have to do for each body shape morph. A good chunk of the time is spent on doing fits for any outfit.

Spent $$$ on all those App's.
Ya spent time learning all those app's ,
Spent time making the mesh.

Can't say for any one else
but for me ,spending a few extra hours fitting a few more morphs for twice the sells.
Not a Problem.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Content makers for any version of Vicky knows multiple App's.

Poser ,Studio are considered Plugs for Highend app's.
Some plugs are 10 times bigger then Poser ,Studio.

I won't comment on why a vender only makes content for only one version of Vicky.
All I know is
Once ya make ya mesh, It's not much effort to make it work for another Vicky's version.

Could be all those fits you have to do for each body shape morph. A good chunk of the time is spent on doing fits for any outfit.

Spent $$$ on all those App's.
Ya spent time learning all those app's ,
Spent time making the mesh.

Can't say for any one else
but for me ,spending a few extra hours fitting a few more morphs for twice the sells.
Not a Problem.

Generally, you're not getting a return on your investment if you end up spending more time on fitting an outfit than the money you get from that effort. And no, you never get twice for more fits... you can ask any vendor that makes clothing that. The less fits they have to make, the better.... which is why you generally see a vendor working on one version of vickie.

Personally, I tried Genesis in DS4, and found that I did not like the program and Genesis when rendered is hardly distinguishable from Gen4 when doing an average female character. I turned around and purchased PP12 as an upgrade from Poser 7. I have tried the DSON system and found it clunky and slow. V4/M4 and other Gen 4 characters work faster and are  more intutive in Poser.

If I am the paying customer,the vendor needs to provide something I want; otherwise I will take my money elsewhere and apply it to what works best, and for me that is V4/M4 as well as some other third party figures, and Poser ready props and I am very happy that  there are vendors who are still doing that. For other people who enjoy using Genesis then that is their choice.

I seem to remember hearing somewhere that Anton Kissel made Apollo Maximus in Wings.  

But, Dude, I'd guess for 95% of us here, Poser is the target app, not some intermediate to some ungodly expensive, complex and difficult piece of software.  I'll go further, not very many here own any high end apps.  When it comes to producing content, there are probably many more consumers than producers here. 

And a lot of PoserWorld clothing is available for multiple figures anyhow, it's not a new or original idea.  Their clothing may not be your cup of tea, but there are reasons those of us that use PoserWorld keep going back.

Doric.

Quote - I seem to remember hearing somewhere that Anton Kissel made Apollo Maximus in Wings.  

But, Dude, I'd guess for 95% of us here, Poser is the target app, not some intermediate to some ungodly expensive, complex and difficult piece of software.  I'll go further, not very many here own any high end apps.  When it comes to producing content, there are probably many more consumers than producers here. 

And a lot of PoserWorld clothing is available for multiple figures anyhow, it's not a new or original idea.  Their clothing may not be your cup of tea, but there are reasons those of us that use PoserWorld keep going back.

Doric.

ODF's Antonia was made in wings ,took him around 4 years.
Think Antonia is open sorse .

V3 Lightwave
V4,V5 Modo

I herd but don't know for sure that Anton Kissel left working for DAZ.
Then made Apollo Maximus.
So I would guess Anton Kissel uses LW ,Modo
Don't know but I would bet you $100.00 to $1.00
that Apollo Maximus morphs was made in zBrush,Mudd

You know, to be totally honest, it was quite sometime before I stopped using Posette and started using V1. I had loads of clothes for Posette and none for V1. In fact, the only reason I bought V1 was to have an upgrade path for V2 when she finally came out.

And yes, I have more V4 clothes than for any other figure in my library, but I haven't bought any more for her in quite some time as well.  Most of my new downloads have actually been stuff for Anastasia, Miki 4 and Tyler, as well as most of my content creations.

Genesis is a nice system I guess, but not right for me. !

Quote - After reading the whole thread there is one argument about V4, that hasn't been mentioned, and that is the economic aspect. What happened to V4 is a rather new economic feature called "lock-in".

To explain what "lock-in" means I rather give an example: Many years ago when the first VCR-systems came on the market there were several formats: VHF, BETAMAX and the lesser known VIDEO2000 (an european system) These formats were competing on the market but in the end VHF became the standard and BETAMAX and video2000 disappeared. Not because VHF was the better of the three, but because there were more movies for VHF on the market. In fact VHF was the most crappy system.

 A similar example is the QWERTY-keyboard, what is in fact the worst solution for a keyboard layout.

I don't want to say that V4 is the worst model (I won't get into that discussion :)  ) but if you compair V4 with VHF and the content made for V4 with the amount of VHF-movies you will see what I mean.

What we see now is that there is a need for a new "standard" , like dvd has replaced VHF because of the new technologies available. Unless SM and DAZ won't try to cooperate in making a new standard for the poser(!)market and insist on making their own, people will stay with the old standard and will there still be demand for V4-content.

For those are more interested in "lock-in" or think I'm talking crap:

http://www.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/paths.html

best regards,

Bopper.

 

Well, the only VHF I am familiar with was an old analog channel frequency band from the early days of television - VHF meaning Very High Frequency, channels 2 - 13.  This was not to be confused with UHF, or Ultra High Frequency channels 14 and above, which required a bent coat hanger attached to two screw terminals on the back of the set.

Can  you elaborate on this VHF tape standard?  I am quite familiar with betamax, having owned two generations of this system, and also VHS, which won the short lived victory (I still have tapes of both sorts, but would have to search for a VCR of either stripe if I actually wanted to view one ... which I don't - since anything less that HD is now painful).  VHS was an acronym for Video Home System.  What did VHF stand for?

BTW, I find it difficult to imagine that of the billions of possibilities (limiting to four or less horizontal rows of keys), QWERTY is the "worst solution for a keyboard layout".  Placing the least used keys at the extremities where they are struck with weaker and less dextrous fingers seems logical to me.  Spend a while with DVORAK and report back.  Does moving a couple of vowels to the home row really change the world?

Klebnor

Poser ,Studio is built on content from other CGI App's

Well Vicky's the Queen cause she's never had any real competition has she ?

If some one said Ravenn make a unimesh, that morphs in to multiple characters.
with a killer rig on a 60,000 polycount mesh.

My response would be ,Your insane ,Hell no.

To make unimesh or genesis is a monumental undertaking.

DAZ has been the only ones crazy enough to do it.

Quote - Poser ,Studio is built on content from other CGI App's

Now that's giving both of them way too little credit.

Quote - Poser ,Studio is built on content from other CGI App's

Which would say that all the high end apps are just support for Poser or Studio.  I'll buy that. Doric

Quote - BTW, I find it difficult to imagine that of the billions of possibilities (limiting to four or less horizontal rows of keys), QWERTY is the "worst solution for a keyboard layout".  Placing the least used keys at the extremities where they are struck with weaker and less dextrous fingers seems logical to me.  Spend a while with DVORAK and report back.  Does moving a couple of vowels to the home row really change the world?

Klebnor

The QWERTY keyboard was designed to deliberately slow down a typist.  Early manual typewriters would get their keys jammed because the typist could type faster than the typebars could move.  That problem wasn't solved until IBM gave us the Selectric typewriter.

What did VHF stand for?

Sorry, I meant VHS, my fault. It was late when I wrote that post.

The QWERTY-keyboard was developed in the early days of the typewriter to slow down the typist, because with the first typewriter the hammers got jammed when you typed to fast on them. When the typewriters got better, people, like dvorak tried to make better and easier layouts, but everyone was using QWERTY, so it didn't had much of a change.

I always thought the CGI Artist that made unimesh n genesis got way to little credit.
We've had a bloody civil war over V4 vs V5 ,it's practically the same mesh made buy the same CGI Artist.

All the content creators.
Deserve more credit then they get.

Take all the content creators a way.
With a empty run time.
What would Poser ,D/S do then ?
What would the damn civil war be over then ,mine blinks better then yours ?

Quote - You know, to be totally honest, it was quite sometime before I stopped using Posette and started using V1. I had loads of clothes for Posette and none for V1. In fact, the only reason I bought V1 was to have an upgrade path for V2 when she finally came out.

And yes, I have more V4 clothes than for any other figure in my library, but I haven't bought any more for her in quite some time as well.  Most of my new downloads have actually been stuff for Anastasia, Miki 4 and Tyler, as well as most of my content creations.

Genesis is a nice system I guess, but not right for me. !

Yes let's give special kudos to Anastasia and Tyler, two of the  best figures to hit Poser in a long time.

Quote - BTW, I find it difficult to imagine that of the billions of possibilities (limiting to four or less horizontal rows of keys), QWERTY is the "worst solution for a keyboard layout".  Placing the least used keys at the extremities where they are struck with weaker and less dextrous fingers seems logical to me.  Spend a while with DVORAK and report back.  Does moving a couple of vowels to the home row really change the world?

Klebnor

Dvorak is miles faster. Just is. You can almost double your typing speed by learning it. I know a couple of legal secretaries who type upwards of 120 wpm with Dvorak. But it takes a bit of effort to learn after years of typing QWERTY.

QWERTY was developed because typists on manual typewriters using the much more rational original layout were typing so fast that the keys were jamming. So QWERTY was a way to slow down their speed (put the most commonly used letters in the left hand, for instance). So it's not the worst. It's just not designed for modern keyboards.

Quote - You know, to be totally honest, it was quite sometime before I stopped using Posette and started using V1. I had loads of clothes for Posette and none for V1. In fact, the only reason I bought V1 was to have an upgrade path for V2 when she finally came out.

And yes, I have more V4 clothes than for any other figure in my library, but I haven't bought any more for her in quite some time as well.  Most of my new downloads have actually been stuff for Anastasia, Miki 4 and Tyler, as well as most of my content creations.

Genesis is a nice system I guess, but not right for me. !

Yes let's give special kudos to Anastasia and Tyler, two of the  best figures to hit Poser in a long time.

I like them, but they are too distinct. Not much flexability, specially Tyler and his face. It's hard to get rid of that look.