@momodot: there are conformers that have body handles. I have a few. And while they're more versatile than "plain conformers" that only have the regular body parts, they're also very difficult to pose well. Believe me, I tried. When doing animations, conforming skirts only work well if they're very short. Anything longer than mid-thigh must be adjusted at about every frame, using magnets, morphs, bodyhandles, whatever. Some skirts have elaborate EMC parameters that help (I'm thinking of the Nimue dress by nerd3D), but still, for a natural looking flow of the cloth you'd have to do an incredible amount of keyframing. And this is exactly where dynamic cloth shines. You can concentrate on natural looking moves for the character and you don't have to worry about posing the flow of the skirt/dress/wide sleeve/whatever loose clothing part. I'd love to see layered transmapped hair based on dynamic cloth. That would be REALLY cool! As for tight clothing, second skins work perfectly. Never a pokethru problem, extremely fast, and when combined with P5 displacement mapping it also gets "thickness." The spandex morphs for V3/M3 can come in extremely handy.

I prefer conforming but I think it is because I don't understand how the dynamic things work. I have a feeling it is the case for many Poser users. ;o) France

Conforming!

Conforming is more convenient, but for skirts and other things which have to drape and flow, dynamic is much more realistic. So my answer is: both. :) Or, if you count second skins, all three. :D I'm with svdl on this. Whatever gets the job done...

Yeah, definately dynamic for animation seem the thing though I hate having to even touch animation to use Ckloth Room... it just hurts my head. And definatly an occasional clothroom skirt is cool. But, svdl, this may be a dumb question: what is a conformer? or a conformer with body handles... I saw some sort of conformer system or dynamic conformer or something but the promo didn't give me any idea of what it was. I figured they were parented magnet sets.

@momodot: A conformer, that's shorthand for a conforming clothing item. Body handles are extra body parts that do not render - they're often displayed as cones or cubes in the pose window - they're invented (by Anton, I believe) to help in posing conforming clothes. Body handles are not magnets, they're bones. There are also clothes that have extra body parts that do render; an example is As Shanim's V3 hipcloth. It's got the usual hip, abdomen and thigh body parts, but also a series of body parts for the front and back flaps. One of the best conforming clothes I've ever seen, those flaps really pose well, and very intuitive. Still, I'd never use it for an animation: I'd have to pose the flaps every other three frames or so and that is way too much trouble. The solution was pretty easy. I converted the front and back flaps to dynamic cloth props and parented them to the hipcloth. Now I have a conforming clothing item with dynamic parts. Works perfectly. Hope this helps, Steven. Hope this explains a bit.

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Conforming.

Conforming, easy and quick and that's what Poser is all about for me.

It's a pre-Easter miracle! I was surprised by the overwhelming preference for conforming, which I share … then I was pleased to see Sophia Deer back - she hasn't been here in years … but when I saw dear Francemi, who I know passed away some months ago - uh I finally looked at the dates. Lo, and the Church said Amen. I'm off to look for camel tracks and give Geni all my money.

You're right, I didn't notice the dates at all, someone resurrected a very old thread indeed.

Yes, it is a good poll,  as a cloth creator I am very interested in it

I prefer clothes that can be used both ways, ie are rigged for conforming and do have all the dynnamics definitions loaded as well (and behave correctly in the sims).

Quote - I prefer clothes that can be used both ways, ie are rigged for conforming and do have all the dynnamics definitions loaded as well (and behave correctly in the sims).

+1

dynamic down the line.........unless it's armour lol

It depends. I use both.

I only buy conforming clothing though as I make my own dynamic clthing in MD.

(Although if Rosemaryr ever starts selling her MD creations I'll be buying!)

Agree with all the "both" comments. Nothing like having a figure pointing an arm towards the camera and the sleeve looking like a tube floating above the wrist or even if you can adjust down with a dial, being too round and not sagging. The time it takes me to mess around with magents on the sleeve it's easier to just run a dynamic sim which always looks better anyway.

Plus sometimes instead of messing around with rigid decorated items, I have some buttons and decorative pins I have grouped and saved off as props from various clothes items and just add them as props and parent and postion to the cloth to add detials that some dynamic items lack after the sim has run. The Mil Horse in a gallop pose flattened and scaled away down and with a gold shader makes an ideal horse pin as an example when I couldn't find anything and didn't want to take the time to try to model a small horse pin.

I know this is off topic but I wish somebody would make a dynamic tie for M4 with and without a tie clasp or pin. The suits in the store with ties look silly if M4 bends foward even a little bit.

I'm really not talented with conforming clothes at all. I always wind up with poke through somewhere to hide so I'd vote for dynamic - especially if some nice detail can be added. Alternatively, if conforming clothing could be made with more body morphs (closer to whats available for the actual model that'd be helpful.)

Since I'm still learning, I have a ways to go before i can do a real good conforming skirt. That's why if you'll notice, most of my freebies have been or included a conforming and dynamic item. Like this schoolgirl outfit for Miki4. The shirt, socks and shoes are conforming but the skirt is dynamic.

For quick simple images conforming is good, but nothing beast dynamic when it comes to more extream poses. Wish more creators would do more welding of parts when making conforming clothes so it can be converted more easily. You just can't make all the movement morphs we could possibly need.

And now, for something completely different:  Neither.

I do not use clothing at all; I body paint all of my toons.  That is the only way I know I can adjust the bodies however I want and still get the "clothing" to fit.  The cheat of just making the outerwear look good without adjusting the figure underneath works okay for what it is, but I never like how thick any clothing looks regardless of how I scale the depth since it always seems to either flatten the whole thing or creates too much poke through.

I started out in Poser (I started out in Poser 9) favouring dynamic...

...however I've since been converted to conforming ;)

I guess both, or one or t'other dependent on exact requirements...

However, kind of related to the last post by Gremalkyn...

I've just finished modelling and rigging a conforming item for the toon figure Pippin.

Pippin's included shirt is a body morph. I loved the simplicity in that approach, relative to a close fitting garment.

I figured out, when I made a mat for the shirt, that I could add a snippet of morph pose file code at the top of my mc6 file to turn on the shirt morph.

I'm now intrigued by what other possibilities there are for creating (certain types of) clothing as a morph of a base figure... and injecting that as part of the mat file.

I didn't like conforming clothing back in the Poser 4 RayDream 3 days.  Clothes were more like bendable props.  So when Poser 5 dynamic cloth came out, I thought that was the future.  But now, after learning enough about making my own conforming clothing (from reading the Practical Poser 6 book), I adore conforming clothing.

I use both, and I use them for animations.  When it comes to animating, a conforming dress will not do! Pants.. Absolutely.  I use dynamic for skirts, loose tops, capes, dresses and so on.  I'll use conforming for tight tops, pants, shorts, and gear.

I cheered out loud when I discovered that Poser introduced dynamic clothing.  There is a learning curve to using it with disired results, but for animations.. Nothing beats dynamic.  I found that the best way to sink your teeth into dynamic labing is to start with the HiRes Tablecloth.  Its easier to track and learn about the diversity of the dynamic cloth lab and all its settings. 

A neat trick to try is slightly increase the bulk/weight of your model and run the process of the dynamic animation. Then after the calculations are finished resizie your model back to its (reduced) size.  The dynamic cloth retains its dynamics and you won't have to deal with the poke throughs.

This sequence could never be done with conforming clothing.  And I need scenes like this for the graphic novel.  I will create a tut on this particular sequence and provide it here at Renderosity.

"Pippin's included shirt is a body morph."

Yep, that's the way Posette's grandmother's clothes were. It does have its uses.

phive05, that looks like a fine animation.

Quote - Here is a perfect example of why dynamic clothing is so important.  This image shows in sequence(taken from the animation) one female removing the dress of the other female.  

Yeah, I get that happening a lot, the poser figures like dynamic clothing so much they'll actually steal each other's dresses in mid scene. Sometimes, if it's really bad, I have to  dress everyone in the same outfit just so I can finish the render.

hybrid!

there was a thread way back about the MFD and making the skirt part dynamic. was kewl stuff.