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Subject: Help With Lali's Bits


DireLilith ( ) posted Tue, 30 April 2013 at 11:49 PM · edited Sat, 02 November 2024 at 3:37 AM

hi there. i'm having trouble with Lali's Bits. could someone help me? i'd prefer the help to be private and real time. i'm willing to talk on yahoo or in a chat room. anyone maybe got time? it will take probably two conversations at the most. please send me rosity mail!


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 12:27 AM

Have you tried contacting Erogenesis directly (gives good support) or posting on the Renderotica forum?


wimvdb ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 6:01 AM

Google erogenesis and lali and you will find his blog page. He answers lots of questions there and you can contact him directly

 


DireLilith ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 9:05 AM

yeah i was hoping to avoid that. i had some challenges with the manual and didn't want to discuss that with the product creator. i was hoping for some private and personal help. thanks.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 10:15 AM

If you're having problems understanding the manual, perhaps others are as well. Hopefully most vendors don't have a probl;em with constructive suggestions on how to improve the product or documentation. It could be a language issue if the person isn't a native English speaker, who knows. Discussing  it in the forum over there or with the vendor directly could help everyone.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


DireLilith ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 10:20 AM

yep it could! but i'm so frustrated that i don't think i'd be able to provide help and suggestions. that's what i'm looking for, myself. so i'm not in a place to provide positive and constructive feedback at this time.


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 10:40 AM

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...I was going to try to help OP with the problem as I have Lali's bits but I haven't used Lali in a "penetration capacity" so I couldn't really comment on that functionality. I imagine the OP's line of questioning would revolve around some problem with a foreign object lodged in Lali's bits and corresponding morphs not behaving as expected and those or the prop needing adjustment.

Anyway, Erogenesis has stated many times that he will provide a high level of personalised support for Lali, it's one of the selling bullets for Lali in fact...


shante ( ) posted Wed, 01 May 2013 at 12:56 PM

I had the same problems reading and following the instructions simultaneously for the product. My last attempt literally blew up and I sent images of the destroyed mesh to the artist who has been real good for supporting his product...just last night and got a response this morning.

Seems strange you wouldn't want to discuss the problem with him though.


Magic_Man ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 6:42 AM

About the product, does it create a duplicate of the character, e.g. V4 with the 'bits' added or do you add them to V4 each time you want to use them...?


shante ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 7:12 AM

There is a scripted injection file and once you inject the morphs for the bits and add the gen prop you save it to library for reuse. I did the same thing last night for Xamevas Perfect series. I inject everything and save the figure in the library so i will always have a full injected figure with the bits and adjust moprhs. It is a pain but the fixes it offers are good. I also relly recommend the much simpler to use Karina Vag set in conjunction with Rafeltas Genital morphs...both free. Maybe not as complete as Lali's or as realistic looking from all view points but very nice and easy to use for dead heads like me.  ;)

 

All injections are a pain to use all the time though otherwise. Did the same thing with the V4 moprhs and ++Morphs. I hate having to inject them every time.


Magic_Man ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 1:14 PM

Thanks for that... odd subject to be discussing I suppose, let alone why we would want/need such 'bits'... ;)


dexterward ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 1:50 PM

DireLillith,

 

Send me a private message here and I can help you. I helped Erogenesis develop the scripts for Lali bits and will be willing to help you out.

 

dexterward


colorcurvature ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 3:32 PM

Might I ask, what is this product on a technical level?

I see so much postings of "fix morph makers" that tell how difficult is to make "installers" for their products or ERC and such.

That made me wonder: Is this really a "problem" for you? In case you target the poser, there are better ways to install morphs to a figure and better ways to create the ERC than simple valueOpAddDelta.

Why dont you make a python script to install your morphs. You should see my posts about n-dimensional JCMs. Its all scriptable. Don't let injection and .cr2 limits slow you down.  I'd be willing to assist on a python level. Morphs and ERC is my thing.


wimvdb ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 3:37 PM

Quote - Might I ask, what is this product on a technical level?

I see so much postings of "fix morph makers" that tell how difficult is to make "installers" for their products or ERC and such.

That made me wonder: Is this really a "problem" for you? In case you target the poser, there are better ways to install morphs to a figure and better ways to create the ERC than simple valueOpAddDelta.

Why dont you make a python script to install your morphs. You should see my posts about n-dimensional JCMs. Its all scriptable. Don't let injection and .cr2 limits slow you down.  I'd be willing to assist on a python level. Morphs and ERC is my thing.

Lalibits uses a python script to install the morps (create channels, load the morphs and load a prop). It is working fine for most people.

He actually has 2 versions: One for P9 and one for earlier versions. The P9 version works directly on a figure, the other one creates a new figure with new channels. As far as I can see it is quite good.

There is a problem however with crosstalking with other figures due to the naming of the figure morphs in the pose file.

 


moogal ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 7:28 PM

Quote - There is a problem however with crosstalking with other figures due to the naming of the figure morphs in the pose file.

 

All other figures?  Or just those based on Victoria?


wimvdb ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 7:36 PM

Quote - > Quote - There is a problem however with crosstalking with other figures due to the naming of the figure morphs in the pose file.

 

All other figures?  Or just those based on Victoria?

It is the order in which you load figures. Load V4 with lalibits first, no problem. Load M4, then V4, you will have crosstalk: Bending the leg of M4 will active the lalibits morph which is a slave of the V4 bend leg - result is V4, not bending her leg, but "correcting" it as if it were bend (a lalibits morph is dependent on V4's thigh bend/sideways).

Not sure if it is tied to gen4 figures, I think it depends on the actors internal names.

 


moogal ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 8:44 PM

I got V4 with Carrara I believe...  Anyway I ended up finally getting it and decided last Summer to finally buy some clothing, fixes and misc. and finally see why V4 was so popular. I've tried to make a few characters with P4 male, Posette, Jessi, and lately Anastasia, Tyler and Miki.  There's something about V4 that I find daunting.  So many injections and fixes and stuff I've never really messed with much.  I guess I've always been afraid V4 figures will hit my system resources in ways I am totally unaccustomed to, though it's not likely that I'll be using more than one gen4 figure in a scene any time soon.

 


shante ( ) posted Fri, 03 May 2013 at 9:22 PM

Quote - Thanks for that... odd subject to be discussing I suppose, let alone why we would want/need such 'bits'... ;)

 

for those of us who create erotica these bits come in handy. now if only i can get them to work. da bits blew up on me...if only i could post the visual her...:(

sent tjhe images to da master and still waiting response.


Magic_Man ( ) posted Sat, 04 May 2013 at 3:35 AM

Quote - for those of us who create erotica these bits come in handy

Oh, absolutely.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Sat, 04 May 2013 at 5:22 PM

Let me get this straight. Mike moves his leg and Vickie's bits respond? Talk about ERC, the implications are mind boggling :-)

"Rafeltas Genital morphs" - link anyone?  

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wimvdb ( ) posted Sat, 04 May 2013 at 5:30 PM

Quote - Let me get this straight. Mike moves his leg and Vickie's bits respond? Talk about ERC, the implications are mind boggling :-)

"Rafeltas Genital morphs" - link anyone?  

 

Not quite. Mike moves his lef and vicky deforms the legs and hip as if her own legs are bent (which they are not). End results is a massive O-legged figure. This only happens if you load another gen4 figure first. Under normal circumstances you would not even see it - how often does Mike a split? - that is where it becomes very obvious.

lalibits is at 'rotica. karina is at sharecg

 

 


lmckenzie ( ) posted Sat, 04 May 2013 at 10:08 PM

Ah, that makes more sense - though not as interesting. I have Karina's item & know Lali is at 'rotica. Shante referred to some other free morphs. I'll check and see if they're at either of those locations I suppose. Thanks.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


shante ( ) posted Tue, 07 May 2013 at 3:47 PM

Quote - > Quote - Let me get this straight. Mike moves his leg and Vickie's bits respond? Talk about ERC, the implications are mind boggling :-)

"Rafeltas Genital morphs" - link anyone?  

 

Not quite. Mike moves his lef and vicky deforms the legs and hip as if her own legs are bent (which they are not). End results is a massive O-legged figure. This only happens if you load another gen4 figure first. Under normal circumstances you would not even see it - how often does Mike a split? - that is where it becomes very obvious.

lalibits is at 'rotica. karina is at sharecg

 

 

 

I believe I got Rafeltas genital morphs for V4 at ShareCG. Try doing a search there.

I am pretty sure he is also a vendor here as well.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Tue, 07 May 2013 at 11:20 PM

Hmmm, no rafelta, rafeltas, rafaela, rafella etc, at ShareCG that I can find or here as rafelta(s). No big deal - I haven't actually used such in years - just packrat instinct kicking in :-) Did find some cool tentacles at ShareCG while looking though so all is good. Thanks.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


shante ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:10 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:47 PM

sorry  misspoke.

Rafelta offered this morph set at Renderotica free stuff.

I just read the readme file that came with the pack.

This is the official address:

 

on which you will find the official promo images and a hot link for the download.

I use it in combination with Karinas pack wich even alone is a wonderful product for what it does and as far as I am concerned the easiest to work with.

Maybe when I learn to work with lali's Bits i can say otherwise. I never had to work so hard for a bit of.................sorry. Time for bed.


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:16 AM

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You like tentacles, lmckenzie? I'm a great admirer of tentacles! Proud to say that I have probably accumulated the most vast array of poser tentacles as such to boggle the mind.

Anyway, here's a toss off tentacle I made to test PhilC's All Tied Up scripts functionality with adding EP dials to existing figures. The mesh, rigging and UV's done by myself. sorry no textures but the UV's are seamless. You'll have to seperate the maps in UVMapper as they are overlapping and make sure you save the shaft map out as a template with a say 200w x 1000h aspect ratio. as you can see it doesn't have that many bones so the bending is a little jointed, It's EasyPosed! Won't you give it a home?


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:17 AM

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Here's the Geometries folder. drop text. unzip


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:19 AM

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Here's the .cr2, drop text. unzip.


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:21 AM

...Anyone is welcome to do whatever with the little fellow.


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:25 AM

Thanks for that morph link, shante... although I've found that v4's lack of polys down there make morphs alone a little "rudimentary" will check it out, I have the Karina vag, BTW.


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 12:41 AM

All links dead for that Rafelta morph:(... Don't know why he didn't just put it up on freestuff somewhere, all those Rapid-such and such's are GFXer havens.


shante ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 2:34 AM

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I don't do extreme CU images so it doesn't matter much as long as it doesn't look like an old world pubic hair airbrused out pubis. Just did a 3000 x 3000 at 300 dpi full figure render I obviously can't show here for its full frontal nudirty of V4 with both morphs pack in place while trying out a new to me asian body face morph pack and it was really nice despite V4's low poly mesh down there.

Lali's is even nicer if you can get it to work. Still haven't heard from Erogenesis master.


shante ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 2:35 AM

Quote - All links dead for that Rafelta morph:(... Don't know why he didn't just put it up on freestuff somewhere, all those Rapid-such and such's are GFXer havens.

 

It was available for quite a long time at Renderotica free stuff via RapidShare. I guess it died. Write him there and ask to have it posted at ShareCG.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 2:14 PM

Thanks for the squirmy rooter primorge. Indeed, one cannot have too many tentacles, they're like duct tape.

Thanks for the effort shante. I'm surprised that I still had a working account at 'Rotica - hadn't been there since 2010 apparently - must be Low T. Their freestuff seemed to have ground to a halt, so maybe there's something new there since then.

OT: WTF my spelling seems to have gone to hell in the last few months and I seem to be noticing more typos in other people's posts as well. I don't suppose I can blame it on the editor. Maybe some strange new terrorist scheme, paraquat sprayed weed from the 70s kicking in, or just my imagination.  

 

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


shante ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 3:18 PM

I haven't learned 3D on the content creator side enough to make contributions to the community at that end...so whatver contribution I can make I try to make if it will help someone. Sorry though tie links were dead. Seems endemic in the community that is why I go there trawling for new posts daily, when the links are still fresh and the items ripe for the downloading because they quickly dry up if you wait and they are lost forever.

I have had problems even there. I download something and file it away and find it much later to use but sometimes I find it is corrupt or no longer supported.

In this scene you're SOL when you wait too long to use something. Even with commercial sites when vendors leave depending on their agreements support for store items dwindles and you get what you got good or bad.

Nothing new of much interest anywhere that  I can find especially at RENDEROTICA. Anything worthy seems to be for money and I can't blame the content creators for that at all. Like the Free Content, the Free Galleries at Renderotica are getting stale and boring. Seems once they learn to create decent images with Poser they go for the money making venues or showcase them at sites that might offer a bit of cash for their efforts. Would love to be able to do the same thing but the work I do is difficult to showcase even on commercial erotica and erotic fantasy gallery sites. I did get an image published in a book two winters ago: The Future of Erotic Fantasy Art which was printed and distributed internationally but it was bragging rights only and no money in it. Didn't even get a call from the showcase.  :(

I go to DeviantArt for most of my image fix and HentaiFoundry for my weekly erotica fix. Granted they only just opened the doors to Poser users and most of the Poser stuff there is looking like it is at Renderotica for the most part, but it is still interesting enough to be included and viewed until everyone at 'Rotica finds out about it. The best erotica there is painted and that is inspiring enough for my work. Since I have pretty much dedicated myself to that form of imagery as well as erotic fantasy art I can no longer post here so my gallery here is also OLD.

 

Low T!?  LOL

No, boredom! Same ol, same ol has a tendancy of doing that to us all. I am even getting bored creating my own schstek. Being limited on what I can wrap my useless brain matter around the learning curve of, I am also stuck with Same Ol, Same Ol!


lmckenzie ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 6:16 PM

I the place was more active years ago, maybe not. Maybe the stigma (hard to understand in this day & age, or not actually) keeps it more stunted. Certainly seeing it referred to here in ominous tones as 'the other place' etc. might put off some people. Maybe a site that was erotic but not pornogrphic might appeal to a bigger audience but that's a hard line to draw - somewhere between here and Thralldom :-) I think 3DCC/Anumotions kind of petered out as well. It may be that there's just not enough fans for a genre specific site to thrive or that 'Rosity and RDNA have sucked up all the available oxygen. The Poserverse isn't as big as some may imagine.  With the new Poser 10 jiggle machine, they need to become the HQ of soft body goodness.

"I download something and file it away and find it much later to use but sometimes I find it is corrupt or no longer supported."

Been there, done that. I use WinRar which has a convenient Test function. I try to remember to test or at least open anything right away. anything I especially value, I convert the .zip to .rar and include a recovery record which may help against disk rot.

 

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 08 May 2013 at 8:57 PM

It seems that the Poserverse is indeed a small pool. Just seeing the same names at the various sites is an indication. Was poking around over at Animotions and Renderotica and it felt pretty vacant (especially Animotions, the forum was kinda depressing). As far as communication goes I only really engage in interactions here at Renderosity, for whatever that's worth... at the other sites I go by a different user name in any case.

Along this line of thought I'm always intrigued when people publicly quit posting on a forum for various reasons, by this I mean those that announce that they will no longer be attending the festivities for various reasons. Kind of like a strange suicide note, don'tcha think? Also, there seems to be less power user commentary here than there used to be... or maybe this is my imagination?

As far as erotic art goes, I've pretty much drifted away from interest in that but when I was younger used to draw erotic/pornographic comixs so maybe that subject matter interest has just run its course. Ironic that now that I'm playing around with Poser, a software that lends itself so well to such subject matter, I no longer have the compulsion to create such imagery. I think too that the digital information age and the ready availability of this subject matter in it's myriad forms has normalized it to the extent that it no longer has the potency or mystique that it once did, there's no longer the need to create these fantasies as something just as good or better can be found in the realm of the "real" (or a closer to it layer of simulation)...

or maybe I'm just becoming a boring old dude now.


shante ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 12:26 AM

Quote - It seems that the Poserverse is indeed a small pool. Just seeing the same names at the various sites is an indication. Was poking around over at Animotions and Renderotica and it felt pretty vacant (especially Animotions, the forum was kinda depressing). As far as communication goes I only really engage in interactions here at Renderosity, for whatever that's worth... at the other sites I go by a different user name in any case.

Along this line of thought I'm always intrigued when people publicly quit posting on a forum for various reasons, by this I mean those that announce that they will no longer be attending the festivities for various reasons. Kind of like a strange suicide note, don'tcha think? Also, there seems to be less power user commentary here than there used to be... or maybe this is my imagination?

As far as erotic art goes, I've pretty much drifted away from interest in that but when I was younger used to draw erotic/pornographic comixs so maybe that subject matter interest has just run its course. Ironic that now that I'm playing around with Poser, a software that lends itself so well to such subject matter, I no longer have the compulsion to create such imagery. I think too that the digital information age and the ready availability of this subject matter in it's myriad forms has normalized it to the extent that it no longer has the potency or mystique that it once did, there's no longer the need to create these fantasies as something just as good or better can be found in the realm of the "real" (or a closer to it layer of simulation)...

or maybe I'm just becoming a boring old dude now.

 

Apologizing to DireLilith for grinching her thread but the problem is I think boredom. If you aren't growing as a visual communicator (intentionally called instead of ARTIST) you and your work (or is it your work AND YOU!?) get stale and once the thrill is gone there seems no reason to continuecreating it. Once the challenge is gone so is the fun. Also, were you doing the erotic art comics for a living?

if you weren't, the incentive that a huge fan base or  distribution network legitimizing your comic creation efforts, has a tendency of feeding the creative frenzy. There are many artist that have been creating that art form longer than me and are still quite loved, viewd and collected by their constituents and adoring fan base. I have a huge collection of published works by Manara, Crepax, Corben, Serpieri and many others (some of which, older, only recently passed away) who are still quit active in the genre.

The internet being the greatest repository of pictures the world has ever experienced has pretty much killed my feeding frenzy for buying/collecting fanzines, printed comics or books. Always hungry for inspiration just to keep my juices from drying up and making me feel creatively baron, I use it instead which is far less costly and space saving. The collection has no value of course, but then neither will my huge printed library have any value once I am dead especially if whoever inherits it has neither any desire in the content or interest in pricing it all out for its' intrinsic collectable value. There are some really valuable pieces there but when we're dead that value is moot.

I try t avoid getting inspiration from the Poser sites in general mainly because the work there seems inbred and stale...like noone creating it has grown.....or sacarine. Got tired of elves and faeries long ago and it seems with all Poser merchants have to offer you see nothing but CU portraits of the figures.  The images are glitzier and the figures richer but you expect to see that as the models get more realistic and the lighting of the applications better. But lets face it Poser is really not used alone by many real 3D artists. The figures, makeup, hair, props, poses and even the lighting are all plug-and-render for the most part. Seems noone uses the character morph dials much judging from the sameness of the figures rendered. Man I spend hours spinning those damn dials to create new figures and rarely even come up with a final finished render. Just to mnd numbing and time sucking fun!

I have always tried creating my stuff as I used to do as a professional photographer, by being a purist whenever possible. I tried using all the principle elements in the Poser stage whenever possible and working the elements and posing and crappy lighting to the best of my admittedly limited skills set allowed and sometimes, even after all these years since P4 dropped into my life, I still surprise myself when I come out with something different.

There is a fine line between porno and erotica. I don't do porno. It's boring as were the old porno images and films of yesteryear with the stupid forced humor, crappy actors, chincy sets and spit-shallow story lines. But you get the films from say the New York Erotic Film Festival or any of the many other high brow erotica purveyors and showcases and you can see the difference quickly. Erotica I am glad to see, like photography did, is finally coming of its own and getting more and more accepted.

Renderotica, aside from the majority on the free gallery section is comprised of Poser beginners and/or erotic art newbies learning the trade so to speak. My work I think (and I have been told via PM by some of the MODS and other creators and viewers there), stands out a bit, it's different and even classier. I think the reason for that is I find the erotic moment not the "plundering, dirty and wet act" (as it has been described to me by many who hate erotica in general) itself but the moments immediately before or after that very personal view.Leaving a bit open for interpretation or wonder always, in my opinion, makes an image more intriguing and therefore erotic when you leave out a bit and not include it all. Of course some of members there hate my stuff for the same reason but that's cool I am glad they cn't use for their quick fix!  LOL

The good artists who have been at Renderotica for a long time are displaying the really good stuff in the paid gallery which seems like a different world, both quality and content wise. Debra and friend sold the site to someone else and I believe still owns and runs Animotions (which at its onset had some good stuff for the Superhero comic art fans in Poser. It's lost a lot of juice as everyone has moved on and P4 figures were no longer supported correctly in the new versions of the application.

I have been into reading, writing, viewing, collecting and creating Erotica and Erotic Art since I was in third grade and having just turned 60 I can say without embarrassment I still enjoy much of it. There is a lot of poop being created and posted but once in a while you do find some brilliant stuff just not as much as you would like to see in the Poser community. I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :(


primorge ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 2:38 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:53 PM

oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here... 

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 8:34 AM

“As far as communication goes I only really engage in interactions here at Renderosity, for whatever that's worth... at the other sites I go by a different user name in any case.”

Ditto, though I was fairly active in the ‘Rotca forums for a few months at the height.*

‘Suicide notes’ is an interesting take, probably accurate in some regards. People want a last chance to air whatever grievances they felt haven’t been heard. They also likely get more love on departure than during their tenure. Some are happy to see the ‘weak’ culled, but I’m glad admin has started to cut back on some of the evolutionary pressure that may cause people to leave. It’s not the ice age anymore.

“Also, there seems to be less power user commentary here than there used to be... or maybe this is my* imagination?”

Hmm, I misread that as less power users. Depends on what you mean by power user commentary – tech talk, art talk …

“I think too that the digital information age and the ready availability of this subject matter in it's myriad forms has normalized it to the extent that it no longer has the potency or mystique that it once did* …”

Indeed. I feel sorry for today’s adolescents who will never know the illicit thrill of a stolen glance at a copy of Playboy yielded, or the giddy appeal of Amazonian tribeswomen in National Geographic; heck even the legendary Sears catalog was fun. I have to think that the easy exposure to explicit, and in particular, increasingly misogynistic material is not the best thing for the adolescent brain. Actually, I think I’d rather have them playing with Lali and her bits than going online.*

“Apologizing to DireLilith for grinching her thread* …”

Seems to have been abandoned – squatter’s rights ÷)

On the lack of character variation, if a feature’s not used, people may see no need for it or they may be intimidated either by the interface or the function or disappointed with the results. Maybe they are so into the bodies and the clothes that the faces are an afterthought or they’re happy with the various character packs. Could be not feeling competent to create anything good (e.g. I don’t know anything about anatomy, where would I begin changing things and I’d probably create something weird looking, leave it to the professionals.). A better faceroom with support for the DAZ figures might change things, or something like the police identi-kit for creating faces – spinning dials isn’t going to hack it for everyone. Maybe also the perspective thing. I see people always complaining about various defects in the figures that I can’t see. Ditto the ‘I can always tell Vickie from the way her septum is .010 degrees off center.’ Part of it my be lacking a trained eye, not looking at that many gallery images, or different visual priorities. If I see an image, my 1st reaction probably isn’t going to be ‘OMG, WTF, the shadows are wrong, call a cop!’ So maybe the annoying sameness isn’t seen or at least not being perceived in the same way by some. I agree, it’s something you’d think people would take more into account but it is what it is for why ever it is.*

*Going admittedly on very vague memories of what little Crepax, Druuna etc. I saw years ago, I think you might have trouble convincing many (at least among  Americans) that it is art and not pornography, though the distinction is perhaps too subjective to be of any legitimate usefulness other than to prosecutors. I think a lot of people are going to go more on the degree of explicitness and the type of themes being portrayed than on execution or esthetics. The medium may play some role, i.e. a comic may get more slack than a film but OTOH, ‘comics’ evoke children in the minds of many and may be doubly damned. 

It may be heretical but I think attempts at classifying art as good/bad erotic/pornographic, art/not art etc. are ultimately unhelpful. We are always going to make those personal judgments but to the extent that they get promoted, it may only serve to reinforce the notion that some art is illegitimate or should even be suppressed – not the intent, but perhaps the effect. Maybe that strikes at a pillar of criticism, but I’ve always been skeptical of critics judging what I can judge for myself, other than using a like minded person as a recommender.

primorge, your imagination is breathtaking to say the least. Didn't see all of the images but love the colors on some like Eve. The biologicals are a bit too much for me but you could have made a killing on album covers back in the 60s-70s I'd think.  

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DarkElegance ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 8:56 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:54 PM

Quote - sorry  misspoke.

Rafelta offered this morph set at Renderotica free stuff.

I just read the readme file that came with the pack.

This is the official address:

 

on which you will find the official promo images and a hot link for the download.

I use it in combination with Karinas pack wich even alone is a wonderful product for what it does and as far as I am concerned the easiest to work with.

Maybe when I learn to work with lali's Bits i can say otherwise. I never had to work so hard for a bit of.................sorry. Time for bed.

the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/



Commission Closed till 2025



DarkElegance ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 8:59 AM

Quote - You like tentacles, lmckenzie? I'm a great admirer of tentacles! Proud to say that I have probably accumulated the most vast array of poser tentacles as such to boggle the mind.

Anyway, here's a toss off tentacle I made to test PhilC's All Tied Up scripts functionality with adding EP dials to existing figures. The mesh, rigging and UV's done by myself. sorry no textures but the UV's are seamless. You'll have to seperate the maps in UVMapper as they are overlapping and make sure you save the shaft map out as a template with a say 200w x 1000h aspect ratio. as you can see it doesn't have that many bones so the bending is a little jointed, It's EasyPosed! Won't you give it a home?

OHHHHH a tentacle! THANK YOU!

 

 

useful lil buggers they are...there seems to be a rather large market for that stuff....

 

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/



Commission Closed till 2025



shante ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 9:28 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:55 PM

Quote - oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here... 

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

 

Some nice works. I can see the time reference of the works. In fact the excerpt from FILTH Magazine looks quite familiar and I can't help feeling I either still have the magazine or the piece gutted from it. Due to Purple Haze and Afgani Black and SinSema and Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly and the likes, Salubrious washed down with dark beer and Jack along with the lousy taste of morning after tobacco mouth, I have no freaking memory cells for important stuff like my name and the names of others, money, sequences, numbers and anything and everything TECH. Sucks. Feel what its like to be in a COMA. But pictures, the food of life for my entire life, I rarely forget.

 

I relate to your problem with organizing and posting older works or even newer works. I bought a good scanner and was going to scan, scan, scan all my old photogrphy and drawings to a web site but for some reason after the fisrt few 20 or so old photos, never got it done. Too tedious and if it is tedious and no fun it don't get done. My mind (lessness) wanders and I am onto something else even as meaningless as spinning more Poser morph dials!  LOL

 

I did love your porcelain Cerial bowl too. Great. If the new stuff or most of the old stuff is like that I can't wait to see it. Reminds me of some of my old stuff and one of my Poser pueces did a few years ago done for the Signature Erotic Art Competition and currently up on their site: 

 

One of the many and growing internet, brick-and-mortar and printed page venues trying to legitimize erotica as a viable art form.

 

where do you post your Poser images?


shante ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 9:36 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:57 PM

Quote - > Quote - sorry  misspoke.

Rafelta offered this morph set at Renderotica free stuff.

I just read the readme file that came with the pack.

This is the official address:

 

on which you will find the official promo images and a hot link for the download.

I use it in combination with Karinas pack wich even alone is a wonderful product for what it does and as far as I am concerned the easiest to work with.

Maybe when I learn to work with lali's Bits i can say otherwise. I never had to work so hard for a bit of.................sorry. Time for bed.

the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina

 

When I told a good commercial South American artist, Roberto Melo,  who offred a Poser V4 version of Druuna contest sponsored by:

http://myuksoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=699

Last year? As a gift he sent me a vaginal pack for V4. I tried to install it and work it but it was way to difficult and complex for my tastes so I wrote back thanking him profusely for the gift but I said I had never had to work so hard for some.......derogatory for female organ used in place of kitty.......in all my life. He laughed his butt off in reply.

I loved easy girsl in my day and I guess I still like easy props to make v4 my private easy harem squirrel.   LOL


DarkElegance ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 9:44 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:58 PM

Quote - > Quote - oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here...

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

 

Some nice works. I can see the time reference of the works. In fact the excerpt from FILTH Magazine looks quite familiar and I can't help feeling I either still have the magazine or the piece gutted from it. Due to Purple Haze and Afgani Black and SinSema and Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly and the likes, Salubrious washed down with dark beer and Jack along with the lousy taste of morning after tobacco mouth, I have no freaking memory cells for important stuff like my name and the names of others, money, sequences, numbers and anything and everything TECH. Sucks. Feel what its like to be in a COMA. But pictures, the food of life for my entire life, I rarely forget.

 

I relate to your problem with organizing and posting older works or even newer works. I bought a good scanner and was going to scan, scan, scan all my old photogrphy and drawings to a web site but for some reason after the fisrt few 20 or so old photos, never got it done. Too tedious and if it is tedious and no fun it don't get done. My mind (lessness) wanders and I am onto something else even as meaningless as spinning more Poser morph dials!  LOL

 

I did love your porcelain Cerial bowl too. Great. If the new stuff or most of the old stuff is like that I can't wait to see it. Reminds me of some of my old stuff and one of my Poser pueces did a few years ago done for the Signature Erotic Art Competition and currently up on their site: 

 

One of the many and growing internet, brick-and-mortar and printed page venues trying to legitimize erotica as a viable art form.

 

where do you post your Poser images?

o.0  ? what type of site is it? Is it a gallery site or a social site?

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/



Commission Closed till 2025



shante ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 10:12 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:59 PM

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here... 

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

 

Some nice works. I can see the time reference of the works. In fact the excerpt from FILTH Magazine looks quite familiar and I can't help feeling I either still have the magazine or the piece gutted from it. Due to Purple Haze and Afgani Black and SinSema and Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly and the likes, Salubrious washed down with dark beer and Jack along with the lousy taste of morning after tobacco mouth, I have no freaking memory cells for important stuff like my name and the names of others, money, sequences, numbers and anything and everything TECH. Sucks. Feel what its like to be in a COMA. But pictures, the food of life for my entire life, I rarely forget.

 

I relate to your problem with organizing and posting older works or even newer works. I bought a good scanner and was going to scan, scan, scan all my old photogrphy and drawings to a web site but for some reason after the fisrt few 20 or so old photos, never got it done. Too tedious and if it is tedious and no fun it don't get done. My mind (lessness) wanders and I am onto something else even as meaningless as spinning more Poser morph dials!  LOL

 

I did love your porcelain Cerial bowl too. Great. If the new stuff or most of the old stuff is like that I can't wait to see it. Reminds me of some of my old stuff and one of my Poser pueces did a few years ago done for the Signature Erotic Art Competition and currently up on their site: 

 

One of the many and growing internet, brick-and-mortar and printed page venues trying to legitimize erotica as a viable art form.

 

where do you post your Poser images?

o.0  ? what type of site is it? Is it a gallery site or a social site?

 

Its a legitimate international erotic art site who have sponsored countless erotic art contests, international exhibitions and printed many erotic art books. Pretty Chi Chi from what I have read. Unfortunately none of my offerings were ever printed or included in the international traveling show.


primorge ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 10:28 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 6:02 PM

"where do you post your Poser imagery"

I don't, for various reasons. Don't care for DeviantArt's TOS, don't like the scale and content limitations at other sites. Don't like crowds, don't like thoughtless pats on the back. Also just the whole shoe-horning default aesthetic brought about by the very act of using Poser to attempt making art is something I'm trying to come to terms with. All reasons why I've started building .. well that and to show snooty tech-heads that I really don't need the make-art button. I just despise guru's obviously and obliviously looking down their noses at my fledgling efforts and questions when honestly many couldn't draw a decent stick figure. Just my own ego and socially maladaptive neurosis I guess.

Going to sign up to eroticsignature to see what's going on, I think that other than DLSite, Renderotica, and DrunkDuck I'm not really a member of many sites of that kind.  looks interesting, too.


shante ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 10:52 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 6:03 PM

Quote - "where do you post your Poser imagery"

I don't, for various reasons. Don't care for DeviantArt's TOS, don't like the scale and content limitations at other sites. Don't like crowds, don't like thoughtless pats on the back. Also just the whole shoe-horning default aesthetic brought about by the very act of using Poser to attempt making art is something I'm trying to come to terms with. All reasons why I've started building .. well that and to show snooty tech-heads that I really don't need the make-art button. I just despise guru's obviously and obliviously looking down their noses at my fledgling efforts and questions when honestly many couldn't draw a decent stick figure. Just my own ego and socially maladaptive neurosis I guess.

Going to sign up to eroticsignature to see what's going on, I think that other than DLSite, Renderotica, and DrunkDuck I'm not really a member of many sites of that kind.  looks interesting, too.

 

 

Don't bother the page is unavailable. If you got it at Erotic Signature it is probably old now and no longer valid. Sucks when web site managers dn't keep up with hot links, offerings and other items posted on their sites and it sucks when people leave and don't clean up their e-detritis before they drift away into the ether but that is the net, hooked forever and with empty pockets to boot!  :(

 

Dude you seem worse than me with regards to Poser F-art! It may not be art by our definitions and compared to where we've been with art but it atill gets me to create something. I'd be curious what you got to spank me for looking at my Poser F-art on the various sites posted. Care to give me a critique?  Oh God I think I am asking for trouble here!!!!   LOLOL


primorge ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 11:06 AM

Sure, running late for work. But I'll give you my input and perhaps post some of my meager Poser imagery(perhaps) when I get home tonight. :) talk to you in the wee hours.


DarkElegance ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 12:51 PM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 6:03 PM

Quote - "where do you post your Poser imagery"

I don't, for various reasons. Don't care for DeviantArt's TOS, don't like the scale and content limitations at other sites. Don't like crowds, don't like thoughtless pats on the back. Also just the whole shoe-horning default aesthetic brought about by the very act of using Poser to attempt making art is something I'm trying to come to terms with. All reasons why I've started building.. well that and to show snooty tech-heads that I really don't need the make-art button. I just despise guru's obviously and obliviously looking down their noses at my fledgling efforts and questions when honestly many couldn't draw a decent stick figure. Just my own ego and socially maladaptive neurosis I guess.

Going to sign up to eroticsignature to see what's going on, I think that other than DLSite, Renderotica, and DrunkDuck I'm not really a member of many sites of that kind.  looks interesting, too.

Oh I am now registered with eroticsignature and registering with artofdarkness.

YAY a playground to be freeee innnnnnnn!!skips off happily

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/



Commission Closed till 2025



WandW ( ) posted Thu, 09 May 2013 at 2:26 PM · edited Thu, 09 May 2013 at 2:27 PM

It's unfortunate the way Lali's Bits was marketed; it's not simply a gentital figure, but is actually an excellent system for correcting many of the bending issues of V4's hip, arms and legs.  It would have been far better, rather than having it ghettoized (in some folks minds) at R'otica, to instead sell "The Lali System" of the the correction morphs here, and have the "Bits" as a $7.50 add on at the other place.

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