Quote - > Quote - The hand does look very short in that position. And the wrist is odd.

 

That's about the length of my hand when I have the heel of it at my chin.  I just checked.  

Same here.

I think her hands are fine.  I have relatively big hands for my size, and my fingers go to just over the eyebrows.  Maybe my head is too big. 

The wrist does look odd, though.  Very thick compared to the hands, and the bend looks weird.

Quote - I have to ask a question. Not being an expert in Poser rendering can someone tell me what is it that Latexluv has done that no one of the others have done?

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It looks to me that she has her own face morph and texture. I could be wrong, though - they're similar.

About the red legs: it might not even be the same resource. Light-skinned people get that reddish leg for about a day or two after they wax theirs legs. I imagine most women who agree to pose naked for ridiculously high-resolution photos of their everywhere places in their bodies would want to be recently waxed, as even shaving would show that body hair in such hi res photos.

Also, her hands are about the same size as mine too.

LOL! That's alright then. It looks as though Dawn has been created with "Renderosity-user" hand proportions :)

Too small for me to like them though. On hands and feet she's definitely not good enough out-of-the box for me. But hey, maybe Blackhearted will come along and save her? ;)

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I sometimes wonder what it would be like if humans had that pattern. Imagine a world where Kate Upton can't get anyone to look at her, while males of all ages flock around Hillary Clinton.

 

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

 

Oh? Didn't you say that women shouldn't obsess so much with looks? Why do they do that?

You are showing us why.

Yeah, but that wasn't a comment on women, that was a comment on my opinion of Hillary Clinton. Now if you want to just take that one specific comment on Hillary and make it a comment about all women, well, I rest my case.

Afrodite-Ohki,

Interesting analysis about red-leg, but

..the rest of the render is so superior that it could have been done on Mars. I have sent Latexluv a mail. Let's see if she answer.

Straightened a couple of fingers for maximum extent.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

My fingers only reach past my brows and no where near my hairline...........unfortunatly my hairline is no where near where it should be anymore either :P

Rawn

Same here!!! I used to use Wash and Go, now I just use Wash as it's Gone!!!! LOL.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - About the red legs: it might not even be the same resource. Light-skinned people get that reddish leg for about a day or two after they wax theirs legs. I imagine most women who agree to pose naked for ridiculously high-resolution photos of their everywhere places in their bodies would want to be recently waxed, as even shaving would show that body hair in such hi res photos.

Thank you for the explanation! I was always wondering about those red legs. Must be iffy to wear a dress on those days ...

The size of her hand is fine.  It's the wrist that's weird.

Her shoulder and elbow look beautiful.  The wrist looks like a drinking straw. 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I sometimes wonder what it would be like if humans had that pattern. Imagine a world where Kate Upton can't get anyone to look at her, while males of all ages flock around Hillary Clinton.

 

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

 

Oh? Didn't you say that women shouldn't obsess so much with looks? Why do they do that?

You are showing us why.

Yeah, but that wasn't a comment on women, that was a comment on my opinion of Hillary Clinton. Now if you want to just take that one specific comment on Hillary and make it a comment about all women, well, I rest my case.

Sorry - but the opening was a general "what it would be like if humans had that pattern" and the names just thrown in there for a pretty girl and a influental / wealthy older woman. So I took your answer to be general too.

Quote - My fingers only reach past my brows and no where near my hairline...........unfortunatly my hairline is no where near where it should be anymore either :P

 

Rawn

Grin

We are talking about females ... LOL

Receding hairlines are more a male pattern, women get spotty hair (less dense hair).

Quote - The size of her hand is fine.  It's the wrist that's weird.

Her shoulder and elbow look beautiful.  The wrist looks like a drinking straw. 

The wrist is definitely not right in several ways.

And I stand by my opinion of her hands ;)

The lenght of the hand+fingers is OK.

While the hand + fingers lenght is OK, I think the fingers are too short.

The hand should be smaller, and the fingers should be longer.

Total lenght of hand+fingers is OK.

The wrist looks odd to me too.

I think the proportions of hand and fingers are fine.  The palm is about as long as the fingers, which is average.

The female ideal is to have longer fingers, of course, so her hand may look stubby for a glamor girl.  I think it's fine for an ordinary woman.

Would like to see a few more renders of her hand and wrist.  Maybe one of the hand upright and straight, sorta like a Vulcan salute?

Might help to SubD Dawn.

There's no way all of us will love every one of Dawns polygons.
I'm sure there will be morphs for hands feet face etc etc

Quote - > Quote - The hand does look very short in that position. And the wrist is odd.

 

That's about the length of my hand when I have the heel of it at my chin.  I just checked.  

My hand too. LOL Mine goes to about my hairline...almost ;). Well, just above my eyebrows really....

Laurie

If you SubD, the fingers will become too thin compared to the hand.
(a common factor when SubD)

the wrist render ,subd would help the wrist

Wow it went quiet!!! Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Anyone seen idler168 post here? If shoes is what I want then he/she is at the top of my list of vendors to check on.

Quote - > Quote - The hand does look very short in that position. And the wrist is odd.

 

That's about the length of my hand when I have the heel of it at my chin.  I just checked.  

Mine to :)

I'm starting to think use of Poser/Daz (or maybe typing on forums?) wears people's fingers down or something! :biggrin:

Those that are content creators would be hard at work I would think creating content for her.  :)

I'm just waiting to get my hands on the model... just wait... a month away? :twitch: I can wait... My friend has been showing me some nice renders she had done already with Dawn

Quote - I'm just waiting to get my hands on the model... just wait... a month away? :twitch: I can wait... My friend has been showing me some nice renders she had done already with Dawn

All I can say is that Dawn is awesome. ;)

Quote - > Quote - I'm just waiting to get my hands on the model... just wait... a month away? :twitch: I can wait... My friend has been showing me some nice renders she had done already with Dawn

All I can say is that Dawn is awesome. ;)

I bet... I am envious of my friend. But she has been doing this a lot longer than I have.

Quote - I bet... I am envious of my friend. But she has been doing this a lot longer than I have.

And those of us who are waiting, can think of Aug 9th as Christmas in the summer!  :-)

I always do enjoy the days before a holiday -- the anticipation.

And we'll get Dawn polished to perfection.

Jan19's gonna be ready to make some historic gowns for her, too!  Already researching styles.  It'll be lovely to model for a base figure, the way I used to model for V4, again.

Edit:  a note to hair creators...I hope y'all will put Dawn fits on your new hair models!

As I wrap up my 26th pose for Dawn and counting, I notice a few things specific to her shape and bending, especially compared to v4.

Dawn's wrist could benefit from more definition and bend improvement, but only at certain angles, and mostly, it seems, where the wrist meets the back of the hand. The fingers and toes are less model-proportioned.

Her legs are shorter and her arms are thicker, which effects the points at which arm and leg intersect. For example, this changes the position of elbows on knees.

Her torso dimension, top to bottom, feels better balanced and better proportioned.

All in all, though, the apparent imperfections in my opinion aren't bad. They are simply not matching the ideals some adhere to or hope for. I think that makes her a better facsimile of a person, and helps her to feel more unique and special.

I would hope people are making observations and not complaints. Observations will inspire content creators well enough, while preventing the lack of support that complaints can cause.

I'm thoroughly enjoying Dawn's uniqueness and look forward to her bright future.

On a semi-related note. Can anyone tell me why the ground plane guideline doesn't show up in the front camera in PoserPro2014 except when viewed in outline and wireframe display modes? I really need to see it in lit wireframe mode.

Quote - > Quote - I bet... I am envious of my friend. But she has been doing this a lot longer than I have.

 

And those of us who are waiting, can think of Aug 9th as Christmas in the summer!  :-)

I always do enjoy the days before a holiday -- the anticipation.

And we'll get Dawn polished to perfection.

Jan19's gonna be ready to make some historic gowns for her, too!  Already researching styles.  It'll be lovely to model for a base figure, the way I used to model for V4, again.

Edit:  a note to hair creators...I hope y'all will put Dawn fits on your new hair models!

My plan for when Dawn comes out is to convince myself that I can make clothes for her, and then fail completely at it.

Quote - I think the proportions of hand and fingers are fine.  The palm is about as long as the fingers, which is average.

The female ideal is to have longer fingers, of course, so her hand may look stubby for a glamor girl.  I think it's fine for an ordinary woman.

Would like to see a few more renders of her hand and wrist.  Maybe one of the hand upright and straight, sorta like a Vulcan salute?

I agree.  Such to-do about the length of a hand! Not everyone is the same size/shape.  My longest (middle) finger comes to the top of my eyebrow when I pose like that.  And can people please try to remember that this is OUT OF THE BOX.  There are no morph packs yet, which will, I'm sure, allow lots of changes.

Personally, I'm enjoying ALL the renders.  Thanks to each and every person who has spent their time and effort to create them.

Not a great render, but Live long and prosper, Dawn!

Ciao

TD

Better to plan to make clothes for her and do it.

Really it's not as hard as you think.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - Live long and prosper, Dawn!

Agreed!

And thanks for the render.  Her hand proportions look fine to me.  More ordinary human than pinup girl, which is fine by me. 

The wrist does look a little thick, which may be why people think her hands look small. 

I'm sure there will be plenty of morphs made so we can all turn her into the girl of our dreams.

Love seeing Studio renders, need more Studio renders!!!

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

I just can't get a handle on making clothes... I can model a table like nobodies business... but when I try to make clothes it's "OMG why is there a edge there!":blink:

**I'm sure there will be plenty of morphs made so we can all turn her into the girl of our dreams.**Or nightmares!!!!! Bawwwwwaaa!!! Halloween is coming!!! Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Have a look at my little tutorials:-

http://www.sharecg.com/pf/full_uploads.php?pf_user_name=paganeagle2001&division_id=3

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - > Quote - Live long and prosper, Dawn!

Agreed!

And thanks for the render.  Her hand proportions look fine to me.  More ordinary human than pinup girl, which is fine by me. 

The wrist does look a little thick, which may be why people think her hands look small. 

I'm sure there will be plenty of morphs made so we can all turn her into the girl of our dreams.

You're welcome.  I just adjusted her fingers a minute ago :)

If Dawn's wrists are thick, then mine are....

...yeah, too thick. LOL (mine...don't think Dawn's are really.). I'm actually quite pleased with her proportions, whether they meet the definition of "realistic" or not.

On a side note, V4's wrists don't look all that awesome when bent back at a 70 degree or more angle either ;). I'm sure if they think it's a problem, Hivewire will get to fixing it.

Laurie

"I simply made a quick and dirty morph that has roughly the shape and basic pose of V4 for Dawn"

One could of course take the time to make a perfect V4 morph for Dawn but why bother? I am 100% sure that on the release day the V4 clone will be there. When V4 came out over the night everyone stopped making cloth for V3. I am sure that the same will happen with Dawn. Except that all the old V4 cloth will work with Dawn out of the box. Daz made their genesis ecosystem so clever that a new figure fit in with no trouble at all.  It is called progress.

;)

Here's a challenge for the morphers, see if you can do Devine!!!

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Bending the wrist back that far on a human causes the skin to bunch and wrinkle.  A mesh won't do that without a morph specifically designed for that type of extreme bend, because the mesh is a hollow shell, not layers of flesh and bone.  If anything is wrong with Dawn's wrists, it can be adjusted simply with weight mapping, so that it bulges slightly instead of indents.  It's a rigging issue, not a modeling issue, and it's certainly not the first rigging issue we've experienced in Poser/DS.  Over all, I applaud Dawn's rigging.  It's better than any I've seen thus far.

And for users, use a magnet if you're to make those sort of extreme bends.

Quote - I just can't get a handle on making clothes... I can model a table like nobodies business... but when I try to make clothes it's "OMG why is there a edge there!":blink:

You can do it.  :-)  I don't know which program you use, but Fugazi1968 has GREAT tutorials for Silo (a stripped down version of Modo, IMHO) -- and two for Hex, that I know about.  All are excellent, and there are some that are geared to content creators.  :-)

If you have problems rigging -- or just plain don't like to do it -- go for dynamic clothing or if PhilC will be so kind as to make an Obj2Cr2 template for Dawn (I'm hoping!), get Obj2Cr2, and it will do most of the rigging work for you.  :-)  You may have to adjust a jp or two, but his Obj2Cr2 even makes skirt handles.  Long live Fugazi and PhilC.  ;-)

Or here, there's QuickConform, that Xurge uses in his tuts...the resources are endless. 

You CAN do it!  And it's a lot of fun, too.

Quote - I'm a little late to the party, was under the weather yesterday. Don't know if anyone has posted a Luxus/Lux render of Dawn yet, But since I did one, I thought I'd share this one. Everything is from the base set. No morphs on Dawn, the pose is included.

I modified the specular on the bikini top and bottom, but everything else is straight from DS (I'm not a big Luxus user, so I'm a bit meterials challenged). Thought the Luxus users following the thread might like to know how well she works. Oh, I used 4 mesh lights - a basic 3 light set up with an extra that I forgot to delete - but used it as a low intensity fill light.

This one is a gem!!!  I wondered what Dawn looked like, rendered with Reality.  :-)

Setting up clothin for dawn has been the easiest experience so far.  

I cant say 100% how much of that is from dawn and how much from improvements between poser 2012 and 2014.  

Dawn has extra body parts that actually make weightmapping the clothing easier, as the bends in each body part are more subtle.  In fact just using 'copy joint zones from' to project the weightmaps onto your clothing piece gives a very good starting point.  Most bends just required smoothing of the weights.  A few of the small groups in the torso required adding an extra 'affected by' actor to propperly smooth the map into the next body part.  Way way way less frustrating than any project i've worked on to date!

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I bet... I am envious of my friend. But she has been doing this a lot longer than I have.

 

And those of us who are waiting, can think of Aug 9th as Christmas in the summer!  :-)

I always do enjoy the days before a holiday -- the anticipation.

And we'll get Dawn polished to perfection.

Jan19's gonna be ready to make some historic gowns for her, too!  Already researching styles.  It'll be lovely to model for a base figure, the way I used to model for V4, again.

Edit:  a note to hair creators...I hope y'all will put Dawn fits on your new hair models!

My plan for when Dawn comes out is to convince myself that I can make clothes for her, and then fail completely at it.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2869845

I started a thread in the poser section.. though on second thought maybe thats not the best spot.. is there a poser & DS section?  or are we now irrevocably divided?

It didn't seem appropriate to start it in the free stuff forum as many folks will be offering their efforts for sale.  If anyone has a better suggestion I'm happy to hear it!

If you want to show off something you are working on for her, go nuts!!

Edit to add:  Also started a thread in the Daz Studio forum for WIP show and tells!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2869846

I've tried a few hairs on Dawn, most of the time all I had to do was change the Ztran position a little bit, then parent it to her head. Doddle!! Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG