If Dawn comes with the same MorphForm morphs as V4 (where you can scale the hands, feet, legs, head, and chest), you could just as easily size the hands and feet up a bit.  I actually do that a lot with my characters as I like to add a bit of "I'm not quite human, you know" look to them.

Quote - LOL! That's alright then. It looks as though Dawn has been created with "Renderosity-user" hand proportions :)

Too small for me to like them though. On hands and feet she's definitely not good enough out-of-the box for me. But hey, maybe Blackhearted will come along and save her? ;)

I've tried using Hexagon... but it crashes too much. Think about trying zbrush but that seems like going from riding a bicycle (Hexagon) to piloting a jetplane... Is Silo good? I see I can get it for 60 which is way more affordable for me than Zbrush which would take a few months to get.

Silo is a good starter, it has all you need to start and is not overburdend with menus and do dahs on the screen.

I use it all the time, never looked back.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Zbrush is an amzing thing, but the learning curve can take longer to do.

Start with something like Silo (others will recommend various free ones, test them out, nothing to loose) and do little things to start with. Simple tops, dresses, skirts etc.

Gain confidence in what you are doing and you will want to do more.

The amount of people I have seen that on their first go, they want to model a full hypersuit with helmet, boots etc. What normally happnes is, it doesn't go as well as they thought and then they give up.

Small steps, lead to bigger things.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

I modified one of my bases, did a bit of cutting in Silo and had this ready for a cloth sim in about 5 - 10 minutes. It would have been quicker, but I added in various material zones.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Theoretically, we're not supposed post about commercial products even in the Market Showcase unless they're meant for the Rosity store...right? 

Not sure there's any place where possibly commercial WIPs fit in, since many will presumably be sold elsewhere, like at Hivewire.

But posting them here in Freestuff doesn't seem right, either. 

Absolutely I'm sure you will be able to change the shape and size of the hands and fingers, either initially or with other morphs.

My comment was that the hands looked strange on all the renders I've seen. After talking about it that seems to be the result of small hands/stubby fingers and thick wrists. I'm sure that's fine for lots of people. For me hands/wrists and feet/ankles are very important and can make or break a figure.

I can't see myself using this figure, just like I don't use Antonia or Michelle. They're just not what I want. Now that's not a complaint. I'm not expecting anyone to make changes to a figure because I don't like it. I just don't buy figures or content for figures that I'm not going to use. And this one is not my type.

But anyhoo - my comment about her hands looking strange in the renders I've seen so far stands. They look strange. Maybe I just don't know or see many people with stubby hands and thick wrists? :)

We asked yesterday about a WIP thread in various sections, just waiting to hear about it.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Seems though not sure that Silo is no longer being developed for.

Same could really be said about Hexagon. Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Yeah a lot of the 3D modeller software is going by the wayside..  Have to see what blender can do. As ZBrush, Rhino3D and so on are too expensive.

I've seen some amazing things made in Blender, but it's horse for courses.

Silo just clicked with me.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Tried using Evilinnocence's Universal Clothing on Dawn, but it couldn't find her as a figure.

Wasn't really expecting it to, just need to wait for the Dawn XD to appear, then any of the Universal Clothes will work with her.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - Tried using Evilinnocence's Universal Clothing on Dawn, but it couldn't find her as a figure.

Wasn't really expecting it to, just need to wait for the Dawn XD to appear, then any of the Universal Clothes will work with her.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

I couldn't get it to work with V4 or Krystal in DS4.6. Kept saying you must select a figure, even though one was selected.

But have you updated your main XD program.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - > Quote - and since we're on the subject of all things goth how about some really cool outfits and jewelry for Dawn like this?

I completely agree, I want something

like that as well

In addittion to that

how about some Doc Marten type shoes for Dawn?

How about bright pink ones with a frilly sock top??

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - Seems though not sure that Silo is no longer being developed for.

While true.. it is a great program as a pure modeller.  For me, very intuitive.  I'm very interested to see what Modo has to offer but the price tag is a bit steep for me!

I call it Waiting for Ray!!

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - and since we're on the subject of all things goth how about some really cool outfits and jewelry for Dawn like this?

I completely agree, I want something

like that as well

In addittion to that

how about some Doc Marten type shoes for Dawn?

 

Bossy Boots by Headcase, V4 versions should convert nicely. And they are free.

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how about some Doc Marten type shoes for Dawn?

 

 

 

These.. make these!! Or I could almost be persuaded to try these.. I wonder if the buckles and straps would be problematic when the shoe needs to bend?

Could do the boots as props, that way the hard edges should be okay!!!

See Ray!!! I was awake during the webinar!!!! LOL.

All the best.

Great Uncle lROG

I can't really see the Dawn XD appearing before the 9th as that wouldn't make sense.

But....

I'm first in the line!!!! Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LORG

Quote - Theoretically, we're not supposed post about commercial products even in the Market Showcase unless they're meant for the Rosity store...right? 

Not sure there's any place where possibly commercial WIPs fit in, since many will presumably be sold elsewhere, like at Hivewire.

But posting them here in Freestuff doesn't seem right, either. 

 

That Is a pretty fair rule.. but .. I guess we'll see what they allow.  I mean Dawn herself is only free for a limited time, so its a pretty commercial venture we are posting about here too

Quote - But have you updated your main XD program.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Yep, the universal server is running. Get an error in CR2 in the DAZ logfile, maybe something to do with where it tries to save the CR2 in the 64bit version. I'll start a thread on RDNA as that seems to be the only place where you can contact the makers.

Quote - Could do the boots as props, that way the hard edges should be okay!!!

See Ray!!! I was awake during the webinar!!!! LOL.

All the best.

Great Uncle lROG

I could try that... my experience with weightmap figures and prop shoes(or any props that 'inherit bends' ) has been polygon explosions..

I'm sure Stacy will let us know if we are getting a bit naughty!! Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Wondering if Steve will be appearing with some nice news???

Will they let him out of the dungeon??? Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - Could do the boots as props, that way the hard edges should be okay!!!

See Ray!!! I was awake during the webinar!!!! LOL.

All the best.

Great Uncle lROG

Looking at the buckles, they are mostly down the sides.. moving that one at the bottom a little further onto the side of the boot would take it right out of the crunch zone

The fun thing is I'm seeing people ask for certain things and people finding solutions to that item.

This is the way to think about things, how do I do it? If I can't do it who can?

But....

I still want to learn how to do it myself!!!!

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

I love the mesh, the joints and the modelling but why has she got red legs when the rest of her is not so red. I have looked at many a leg in my time and I have never seen a person's legs so red compared with the rest of the body. This is pet peeve of mine and I would prefer to have a more realistic skin from the get go.

Otherwise she is bang on. Good job.

Speaking of Modellers, has anyone tried Nvil/Voidworld?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_e_C26NYkY&feature=youtu.be

Quote - I love the mesh, the joints and the modelling but why has she got red legs when the rest of her is not so red. I have looked at many a leg in my time and I have never seen a person's legs so red compared with the rest of the body. This is pet peeve of mine and I would prefer to have a more realistic skin from the get go.

Otherwise she is bang on. Good job.

The red legs come from the model reference not properly prepared for the photoshoot. If you walk around all day the blood is going to circulate down in your legs. So the red is actually realistic if she was walking around prior to the shoot. If the model does not do a lot of movement before the shoot, then you will not see this and will get references without the blood flow. However since most reference models come from 3d.sk and the way they get their models... well we won't get into that... but this is in a lot of their references, so if you don't want the red, you'lll have to do texture surgery or replace it with a different reference.

Quote - > Quote - I love the mesh, the joints and the modelling but why has she got red legs when the rest of her is not so red. I have looked at many a leg in my time and I have never seen a person's legs so red compared with the rest of the body. This is pet peeve of mine and I would prefer to have a more realistic skin from the get go.

Otherwise she is bang on. Good job.

The red legs come from the model reference not properly prepared for the photoshoot. If you walk around all day the blood is going to circulate down in your legs. So the red is actually realistic if she was walking around prior to the shoot. If the model does not do a lot of movement before the shoot, then you will not see this and will get references without the blood flow. However since most reference models come from 3d.sk and the way they get their models... well we won't get into that... but this is in a lot of their references, so if you don't want the red, you'lll have to do texture surgery or replace it with a different reference.

Or do some colour correction in photoshop...we do have that technology ;)  LOL

Quote - Speaking of Modellers, has anyone tried Nvil/Voidworld?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_e_C26NYkY&feature=youtu.be

I have...it think it's pretty great ;).

Laurie

One I did.

Also wondering if it's the lights people are using as well.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Yeah I would have to think that maybe most of it is to do with the light setup people are using and shadow can play a role in how the skin looks.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Yes, we won't be releasing XD support for Dawn until she is released to the public, so Universal Clothing won't work for her until then.

You do need to make sure that XD is updated to the very latest version in order for Universal Clothing to work.  There are updates needed for every figure to make them recognizable by the plugin, so when you run the XD Updater, make sure you also update all figures you have installed as well as the program.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I love the mesh, the joints and the modelling but why has she got red legs when the rest of her is not so red. I have looked at many a leg in my time and I have never seen a person's legs so red compared with the rest of the body. This is pet peeve of mine and I would prefer to have a more realistic skin from the get go.

Otherwise she is bang on. Good job.

The red legs come from the model reference not properly prepared for the photoshoot. If you walk around all day the blood is going to circulate down in your legs. So the red is actually realistic if she was walking around prior to the shoot. If the model does not do a lot of movement before the shoot, then you will not see this and will get references without the blood flow. However since most reference models come from 3d.sk and the way they get their models... well we won't get into that... but this is in a lot of their references, so if you don't want the red, you'lll have to do texture surgery or replace it with a different reference.

 

Or do some colour correction in photoshop...we do have that technology ;)  LOL

That's what I call texture surgery ;)

Oh yeah the hair on the left is the Jo Hanna hair for V4..

Quote - > Quote - Speaking of Modellers, has anyone tried Nvil/Voidworld?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_e_C26NYkY&feature=youtu.be

I have...it think it's pretty great ;).

Laurie

The video linked was punishing on the attention span... but it does look like an interesting program.  Just not sure it is much different/better than silo.  Hard to say with the decided lack of info/promos available on the website.

It IS very Silo-like :)

Laurie

The DAZ render has just basic lights and I did not properly adjust the cloth materials.

Ciao

TD

Quote - > Quote - Seems though not sure that Silo is no longer being developed for.

 

While true.. it is a great program as a pure modeller.  For me, very intuitive.  I'm very interested to see what Modo has to offer but the price tag is a bit steep for me!

It is a fantastic little modeler.  :-)  Very "clean" and straightforward.  Combine that with one or two of Fugazi's tuts, and you're on your way.

I went from Lightwave to Silo, and was totally happy until...like we all do...I started wanting something with more power under the hood.  I've been using Modo 701 under a trial 30 day license, and it is flat out amazing.  I had a little trouble with the "snap" option, because Modo has so many options, but I got it finally. 

I heard, too, that Silo isn't being developed further, but a license is "cheap."  3D modeler cheap, that is.  But if you want to go for the gusto, Modo is a fine choice.

I wouldn't get Zbrush to model Poser clothes.  Not unless you want to do a lot of remeshing.   It's fabulous for morphs and displacement maps -- unbeatable.  And the painting tools are eye-poppers, too.  But I don't "start" models with it.

So many decisions...and don't all wish we had more money!!!  ;-)  'Cause we gotta save some back for Dawn.  She's gonna need a character and some hair, anyhow, when she slides into my runtime.  And poses...she'll need poses.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Speaking of Modellers, has anyone tried Nvil/Voidworld?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_e_C26NYkY&feature=youtu.be

I have...it think it's pretty great ;).

Laurie

 

The video linked was punishing on the attention span... but it does look like an interesting program.  Just not sure it is much different/better than silo.  Hard to say with the decided lack of info/promos available on the website.

That looks interesting.  :-)  I've never heard of that one. 

Edit:  Just read a quickie review, and it's said to be a free combination of "all" the popular modeling programs.  Couldn't hurt to give it a try.  My heart is set on Modo, if I've got breath and britches when the sale rolls around, but if I were trying programs, i wouldn't skip that one.

*OOps, wanted to see what'd happen if I tried a grin smilie.  Nothing.

And back OT -- Dawn has the prettiest face I've ever seen, on an out of the box model.  Her legs are gorgeous, too!  She looks like she'll be a definite keeper.

Quote - Same could really be said about Hexagon. Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Maybe give dax's CARRARA a try it has

Modelling / Animation/Plant _Tree generator/terraine/ physics/terrific shader creation/ Fog_Fire_Realsky/ Hair and more plus handles many files including all poser. Demo and cheap versions but latest 8.1 Pro usually on special.

Quote - > Quote - How to find out about the proportions of her hand. Could somebody who has her pose her so that the heel of her hand is at her chin, fingers pointing upward. They should just touch the hairline, or a little bit lower on her forehead.

 

LOL seriously? I don't think that's for everyone, after all some people have short fingers and some people have long fingers. My fingers reach my eyebrows.  Small hands. My music teacher told me to never try to play piano. HEH.

Even my hands dont go that far, and proportionally i have small face and big hands.