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Subject: Carrara 8.5 Released
Aparently most people that are requesting refunds; full or for pricing difference issues, is requesting cash, not DAZ vouchers. That speaks volumes. 
And of coarse DAZ is saying be patient, thye are processing tickets as fast as they can. Bets on how many people don't get a refund because DAZ didn't get to their ticket in 30 days? Ya, that one is a stratch, I'll admit it. But then I find it hard to believe DAZ has made enough sales of C8.5 to have to spend hours day after day to get all the refunds procesed. Unless everyone that bought it wants a refund. Even then I still don't see it taking more then a couple of days. But then I don't know, might take 3-4 hours to process each one. {which is actually kind of sad in it own right}.
But that is one of those things that just mystifies me. Why would any one pay for something when they can plainly see the price is wrong 
I just don't get it.
"The current upgrade path to Carrara 8.5 is from any version of Carrara. That does not mean that will be the only price structure, though I wouldn’t expect it to get cheaper than it currently is." DAZ_Spooky
Read as don't be in a big hurry to grab this "bargain" as it wont be the only time to get C8.5 at $85.50.
But hey, lets look on the bright side, I'm sure this will be the best in carrara sales since DAZ bought it. And why not? Any one that has any version of carrara can get the big discount whether they bought it or got it free in a magazine. So even though I got C5 at full price; no dicounts, and have been buying upgrades from DAZ since, some one that got C6 free in a magazine can get it for the same discounts I can.
That just sounds wrong to me, but hey, this is the new DAZ. Being a customer for 7-8 years means nothing. The only customer that counts is the one buying something today.
Quote - What difference does it make if there are two SKUs - one for the full version and one for the upgrade available only to previous owners - or a single SKU - with one price for new buyers and a different, discounted price for owners of the previous version?
I makes the previous owners, especially C8.1 owners feel far less appreciated.
So even though I bought C5 at full price and have been paying for the upgrades right along, I am some how no more valued as a customer then some one that got C6 free in a magazine. Makes me feel quite belittled as a DAZ customer.
Oh you mean the end of the upgrade path. I just think the situation bites. Seriously. DAZ has been promising us Carraraest a .5 update for a nominal fee for 2 year, this just throws those promises out the window. So why should I believe anything DAZ tells me now? I'm not there and apparently no one else will try to get DAZ to honor their word.
There is no update, or even an upgrade, it's me having to rebuy carrara. The % off is just DAZ smoke and mirrors.
Hey Richard, I miss you and those regular emails about pulled posts lol
Quote - LOL He's just being contrary. He can't prove it wasn't said any better then I can prove it was. But as I have shown, whether it was said or not, the present facts speak for themselves. C8.5 is a complete departure from the upgrade path. I don't need any more proof then that. The burden of proof to the contrary is now on him.
All it would take is a DAZ_ to come on here and say there will be a full upgrade path from C8 to C9. But we already know DAZ has dropped the upgrade paths in carrara. So how can I be wrong? As I said, there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9 because there is no upgrade path from C8 to C8.5. More over there wont be an upgrade path from C8.5 to C9 ether.
Like the old joke "denial isn't just a river in egypt".
As I have said and keep reminding people, my assumptions of what DAZ is going to do has been right 16 out of 19 times, I'd bet on those sort of odds any time. Who wouldn't?
And I wont even argue I am not a reactionary. I feel it, I let it go, me bottling it up is a bad thing. Yes I have embaresed myself on more then one ocasion, I often misunderstand. But I'd rather let it go, rant and be embaresingly wrong, then bottle it up and end up with bleeding ulcers again.
"We" you and the Mouse in your pocket? I said it never happened, because I know I never made any such post. I am the alleged source of your "leak." The only reason I posted in this thread at all is because you are claiming I said something I never did.
And as far as departure from upgrade paths, I will remind you of the Bryce 6 release. It also departed from the standard upgrade paths at launch, there was no upgrade price at all, that did not mean anything for the future.
Further the upgrade path for Carrara has never been set in stone. For a while you could only upgrade from one version back, regardless of where you acquired it, to include from a cover disk, at other times it was any other version, and yet other times it was other versions with a graduated rate.
Trying to draw conclusions of what DAZ3D might do in terms of pricing in the future based on one example, as everyone here knows, is not only a waste of time, but will almost never give you the correct answer.
Oh, and getting a free cover disk, does not qualify you for the current upgrade to 8.5, go back and read the qualifications, you had to purchase a copy of Carrara from DAZ3D.
Sorry to disrupt your rant with the truth, but you said if someone with a DAZ_ in front of their name corrected you, you would accept it. I may not have that on this forum, this is Renderosity after all, but it is rather easy to verify that I do have one. Look at your DAZ Studio or Carrara 8.5 about screens.
Nice to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak, but you could have said all this earlier instead of just calling Stan a liar.
Now, back to 8.5.
It does seem to be a less than stellar introduction. I read problems with content management, the mipmapping problem, the serial number problem and the pricing problem to name a few. I also read where loading more than one Genesis figure in a scene really slows things to a crawl. Even if the price was right, that's enough to make me pause.
Didn't this software have a 2 year beta test period?
Quote - Nice to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak, but you could have said all this earlier instead of just calling Stan a liar.
I chose to believe he was ticked and mistaken and I had no intention of pushing until he doubled down on it. And it doesn't change the fact that he did make it up.
Ok, I'll have to conceed I miss read it read it. Just being magnamus, because I can't possably prove other wise now can I? {tit for tat}
I will point yet again to the promised .5 update at a nominal fee. $285 is an olympian leep above nominal. So DAZ lied to us; us being pretty much every carrara owner, for 2 years. And we aren't suposed to be upset by that?
So DAZ's words are empty, meaningless, and carry no weight. But that is not news to anyone that has been with DAZ for a while. People wonder why no one from DAZ says much, the answer is easy, it's hard to talk when you can't keep your feet out of your mouth.
Considering I based my assumtions of the pricing of the C8.5 on past DAZ price points, I will have to agree. I way, way, way undersetimated it in even my worst most pesemistic esimations. So I may be wrong on my estimations for C9. But not in a good way.
What "we"?
And don't even start with me on truth. DAZ doesn't even know the meaning of the word. More over truth and fact are quite often 2 vastly different things.
And I will maintane the % off are just DAZ smoke and mirror to convince people that $285 is a good price for a .5 update. I have complete comfidence we wont see C9 for any less then $800; and I don't mean $799.95, or after several ?% discounts. Please, by all means prove me wrong.
In fact this carrara pricing thing is a text book example of smoke and mirrors.
Thing is with all my rants, and wild assumptions I'm really hoping DAZ will prove me wrong, but far too often DAZ proves me right.
Did I not say the reason DAZ was holding off giving out the price of the .5 update was because the price was outragious, was I wrong?
If you want to bring other apps in to it, why not. Why isn't carrara free like studio? Why are we paying $285 for something that amounts to little more then Genesis and DUF/DSON compatability, when it is free in studio.
If carrara development is just that much more costly then studios where is the proof of this? When was the last time DAZ; not the previous devs, not some shoe horned in feature by another company, but DAZ put a major feature in carrara?
And don't say DSON/DUF or genesis. Tweaks and light icons are hardly worth $285.
You know what is real funny. You say you didn't write it, but I don't see you denying it as a fact. And I am well aware nothing DAZ says is carved in stone. The price of the .5 update proves that.
The fact is there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9. There also wont be an upgrade path from C8.5 to C9. What there will be is a discount for previuos purchesers on rebuying carrara. Much like the example that has just been set. The real question is how little of a % discount will C8 owners get as compared to C8.5 owners.
You know what that means right? Whether you said it or not is irrelevent, I am still right.
Go ahead, please, prove me wrong. Really, I want DAZ to prove me wrong. So far DAZ has done little more then reinforce my pesimisiam.
Quote - Oh, so Stan misread it? Okay.
Well, considering I do that from time to time too, guess that means Stan isn't some kind of terminator robot sent to kill us all.
That still doesn't negate the fact that $85 is NOT negligible.
2 weeks is NOT a lot of time to come up with the NOT negligible $85.
Especially, if I understand it right, you have to pay 25 to get that 85 (if you're not already in the PC). If I'd known before hand it wouldn't be such a sore spot. I was expecting maybe 50 bucks. 85 plus 25 was and still is a bit of a shock. Definitely not 'nominal'.
Right, if you aren't in the Pclub it makes that price $109.
And interesting that some one was on fast when I miss quoted spooky, but hasn't tryed to argue about the facts I presented or assumtions I made based on them; maybe I should say truths rather then facts.
Look at it this way DAZ has succeeded in adding a bunch of new people to the Pclub that will of coarse buy content because of the discount {momoney}. They have succeeded in convincing people the a .5 update is worth $285 by throwing up some smoke and mirrors discounts to obscure this fact {momoney} And moved a bunch of people up from older version of carrara to the new version with Genesi {momoney}. DAZ wins out all the way around, off the back of us carrarest.
Hey DAZ why not try to charge Studio users for Studio again, didn't work last time, but I'm sure you can make it work this time. Easy enough just put a 399.95 price tag on it, offer 2 or 3 ?% discounts on it and I'm sure people will jump up to pay for that free app this time. {momoney} Maybe if you included some two year old content for an out dated figure they'd just jump on it.
Or better yet, pull a Studio and after charging people for C8.5 change your mind and make it free. It's not like you wont make it up this winter when you charge everyone $800 for C9, oh wait, that will just be C8.1 owners, C8.5 owners will get 50% off, maybe.
3 easy ways to kill an app. Don't fix bugs, don't add modern features, over charge you customers. Dead app, now go write it off on your taxes.
DAZ has probably made all the sales off it it's going to. Propably did before last week was out.
But I don't think that is right. I beleve for C8.1 owners it would still be $285. So once the intro sales are over I think; at least I hope, the price would be $199.50 if you're in the Pclub. Which was the upgrade cost for C7-C8.
Remeber right now there is a bonus 10% or 40% discount for C8.5 if you are in the Pclub.
That is what makes this a "gun to your head" sale. Buy it now while the sale is on because once it is off the best you can hope for is $200... for a .5 update.
If I'm wrong please explain how that doesn't make a bad situation even worse. Tell me how that wont completely kill carrara sales once the super special limted time sale is over.
But this being DAZ it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it goes up to full price for everyone; even C8.1 owners, once the sale is over.
SALE EXTENDED!
According to the thread over at Daz, the sale is supposedly extended. Typical for DAz, the date isn't clearly marked anywhere (not that I could find).
I'm glad the sale is extended. I don't agree the price should be so high for this "upgrade" but since I do this professionally, at some point I'm going to need to move to more technologically advanced models.
I don't want to miss out on a lower cost upgrade path.
Quote - SALE EXTENDED!
According to the thread over at Daz, the sale is supposedly extended. Typical for DAz, the date isn't clearly marked anywhere (not that I could find).
I'm glad the sale is extended. I don't agree the price should be so high for this "upgrade" but since I do this professionally, at some point I'm going to need to move to more technologically advanced models.
I don't want to miss out on a lower cost upgrade path.
I have it installed but I am too scared to use it till the blood letting ends :)
best to start a new project with it than work on an old one
? cheers! :)
Quote - > Quote - SALE EXTENDED!
According to the thread over at Daz, the sale is supposedly extended. Typical for DAz, the date isn't clearly marked anywhere (not that I could find).
I'm glad the sale is extended. I don't agree the price should be so high for this "upgrade" but since I do this professionally, at some point I'm going to need to move to more technologically advanced models.
I don't want to miss out on a lower cost upgrade path.
I have it installed but I am too scared to use it till the blood letting ends :)
best to start a new project with it than work on an old one
? cheers! :)
Blood letting. Heh, heh. I like that. :)
hehe :)
ahh I installed the first beta when it came out and it immediatley screwed my runtime bigtime
that wasn't the main problem I guess
the main problem was that EVEN WHEN THEY KNEW
DAZ didn't tell anyone that it would screw their runtime, didn't give out a big warning sign which you would expect that they would do in a moral sense. They were happy to let users muddle their runtime and have them go through the process of fixing it up.
I hate having my time wasted. Obviously DAZ thinks their time is more valuable than mine and the other Carrara users. Geeze.....
So after that I don't trust DAZ. I would rather trust DAZ as I trust other companies that I spend money with. But unfortunately the expression once bitten twice shy applies aptly in this case.
So the bloodletting unfortunately is the users' blood.....
Wow, 8.5 is out! I almost thought Carrara had been neglected completely by DAZ a year ago. Carrara was much better than Poser or comparable programs when Carrara 7.0 or 8.0 came out. With Poser 9 / 2012, Poser took over, and nowadays, blender offers GPU based rendering of strand hair, and better SSS, for free.
So the upgrade price is irrelevant for me anyway (and yes, I also remember promises about a nominal upgrade free suggesting something in the range of 20..40$, when development of 8.5 was started).
I agree with posts above, that DAZ was a different company 3 years ago.
Best regards,
Michael
I'm a bit of a neanderthal. Loud and in your face puts me in to that fight or flight mode. So I hate the none stop in your face sales at DAZ at a visceral level. They make me ether want to run, or want to beat the L out of someone. They certainly don't make me want to buy.
Now if you notice I have said nothing bad about carrara. The tweaks and updates are nice.
I love the new light icons, takes the guess work out what lights are where in a scene. Too bad some light quality tweaks didn't come with them. But the one thing wrong with them; the icons, is the tube light diameter doesn't change. So I end up with over head lights that look like oil drums hanging there.
The tweaks to the bullet physics had me going for days. I couldn't begin to guess how many hours I spent playing with soft cloth. Some thing that would be very useful is a drape freeze, so the draping could be calculated by the piece not the entire scene. Something that helps is to drape each piece seperately the export the drape piece as a .obj then reimport and align.
Note: did they fix the "pressure" in the soft body settings? To test this use 2 converted to vertex primative spheres, one with low pressuer one with high, the high one should bounce like a beach ball; with the expected squash deforming before bounce back. Other wise they will hit the floor like empty grape skins.
But most all the testing I did was with genesis. I'll give Genesis a C in carrara; A- in Studio. And Autofit a D. I've read a workaround for poke through in the DAZ carrara forum. But if modeling in the assembly room worked right that would make it much easier. I think the biggest issue with autofit in Carrara is the built in mil4 settings. Mil3 clothes usually convert fine; but tend to pose poorly.
You know the frugel me loves the concept of autofit, just look at all the $ I spent on Xdresser. But it fails too often to be depended on.
Thing is DAZ is losing money on me all the way around. I was ready to buy the mil4 morphs for genesi to see if that would make autofit work better. But that, out now as well as the sales of poses, skins, and creature morphs. I like working with genesis when the clothes fit. But I have already spent money on genesis and not seeing DAZ doing anything with it for 2 years makes me wonder why. Just another reason that genesis compatability doesn't add value to the .5 update for me.
Right now I can't seem to find the known issues list but if I recall correctly; and if I don't I'm sure some one will correct me, but I thought it said it wasn't compatable with G2F. You know the one all the new stuff is for, the latest and not yet out dated figure. Explains why there is no G2F items with the update.
On a sour note, what if one of the "new features" in C9 is G2F/M compatability?
Oh well, us carraraests just love leftovers and handmedowns, we can do so much with it.
I have to wonder just what did DAZ fix in the C8.5 beta? I mean so far I have read a gripe from some one on about every issue I had with the .5 beta the first month it was out. Seems anything that was fixed over the coarse of the beta was Geneis related.
But hey, the person that worked with C8.5 for two years isn't at all needed on the DAZ forum. I see posts all the time from people wondering about this, having isues with that, and starting at 0 doing things I worked with extensivly in the beta.
I think that DAZ should invite me back to the forum, give me a copy of C8.5 for the unwarented baning, give me the forum title of "doom sayer" and leave me and my posts alone.
And C9 will have full Terragen quality, atmospherics, high quality dynaimics; including soft body figures, and real time playback of aniamtions in the assembly room. Add to that finally learning what a looped animation is.
Well if you're going to dream, dream big 
DAZ should know by now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnxLinrHzKk "cause you that I can"
I got wrapped up; mildly obcesed, with this scene. Started as a 50's style horror, but has turned to to seeing how many mil 4 figures and how many surface replicators I can have in a scene before carrara chokes on it. So far as long as I don't have all the replicator or all the people visable at the same time it's still easy to work.
9 surface replicators. 5 with Lisa's plants, 2 with carrara trees, one with ken's birds and one with dragonflys; althought the dragonflys don't really show.
There's also 9 mil4 figures, 4 V4 and 5 M4, may add 2 more.
Now just what does that have to do with C8.5? The above is usually how I work on a scene. I'll get a bit obcessed with it till it gets boring; about built and going to hidef renders. But with C8.5 I never did that, it choked on this, errored out on that, this didn't work any more, that didn't work right, so in no short order I was too frustrated to work on a scene.
Going back to C8.1 was a breath of fresh air after working with C8.5 for 2 years. The biggest issue with C8.5 was genesis and autofit. You know, the big thing in C8.5 which is somehow suposed to make it worth $285.
If genesis and autofit was a plugin for C8.5 I wouldn't waste the money on it. It doesn't work well enough to gain any real advantage using it. Yes I miss how well G1 looked posed; if it didn't get wierd in the posing, everytime I pose a mil4 figure and get colapsed elbows; bent straw effect. Now genesis may bit a bit of an issue, but the big issue is auto"don't"fit.
We all know dresses are fairly well usless in autofit. Minishirts are fin but once a dress hits the knees autofit just screws it up. And I have a nice wardrobe of perido clothes for V4 that autofit mangels.
Shoes? G1 might as well run around barefoot; and just because I am all the time, doesn't mean I want my characters to be. Autofit just screws up shoes making them worse then useless in a scene. Yes you can fix them, but it take some time and effort.
But my top issue is with autofit's poke through. Backs out in the T pose and butts/hips out in most poses. And what is real funny is I have far more issues with mil4 clothes; what autofit is set by default to work with, then mil3 clothes; I bought the iconic shapes for G1 so I could use mil3 clothes. I have been tempted to buy the mil4 morphs for geneis to see if it fixes the issue. I fully beleive it would.
It seems part of the new DAZ marketing plan is to sell workarounds rather then fix issues. So I have no doubt buying the mil4 morphs for G1 will fix the issue with autofit. As in why buy the mil4 morphs for G1 when I don't need them to use autofit. Because you need them for autofit to work right with mil4 clothes. There is no profit in fixing autofit, the profit is in selling you the mil4 morphs for G1 to get sutofit to work right with mil4 clothes.
Lets look at some facts. It's well established G1 is out of production; and I'll keep saying that till it's verified or I'm proven wrong. So lets look at autofit. Out side of some bug fixs I may not be aware of, autofit hasn't changed since release 2 years ago. We; or at least I, have been waiting for the finished product. The one with the full selection when setting up. The one with the loose blouse setting, or extra baggy pants, the long dress, the common shoe, and so on.
Just because I am sure there are people that don't see the fun I have. see top; it's big. Oops, that hill side is suposed to have carrara trees 
Workarounds are products. DAZ is all about products/content. Why waste money fixing known issues, when someone will come up with a product that fixes it for them. TADA! More product for DAZ to sell to the unsuspecting hobbiest.
The more I read about 8.5 issues over at the DAZ forums, the more I'm glad I didn't take the plunge.
Most of the "issues" I have read on the DAZ forum have been about DIM/CMS and issues intalling content.
But I'm not seeing to many questions about getting started in carrara. Makes me wonder considering all the "suposed" new people getting it. I mean I'm not seeing any of the sort of posts I woud expect from people new to carrara. And I saw a lot of new names in the stickied carrara release announcements.
So just what are all those people new to carrara doing with it?
Come to think of it, you're right. I haven't seen very much in the way of "How do I do this?" sort of posts. I do see many new names, but not very many newbie questions.
Even if they were all users of other software before, you'd think they'd still be asking questions. I mean, the manual isn't THAT good.
I've also noticed that the stickied announcement of a new version has slowed to a crawl with only a post or two in the last several days. Either DAZ is deleting tons of posts or interest has waned. I really expected more action even now, but the buzz has apparently stopped.
Stopped? More like stomped.
You know anything about 3 card monte? There is usually an acomplice{shill} in the crowd that will bet and win just to ge the crowd stirred up. This has been carried in to marketing. Look at all those "demos" at the mall. If some one steps up, just loves the item, and seems to ask just the right questions, then buys the product, they were a plant.
Would I put it above DAZ to do something similar? Hell, I don't put anything past DAZ any more.
None the less, even if people had C6, 7, or 8, they would still have questions about the new "features" in C8.5. I don't see many quetions about those ether. Well one or two, and I could have helped; Having put C8.5 through my work flow for two years. And you have seen the few gripes I had about it.
I think the issues are many surounding it. Starting with the overly long beta, and running right through to the way over priced final release.
Along the way we got some nice tweaks, a few very useful changes, but have have lost some of the ease of functionality.
I would have liked to retain the choice of morphs by catigory or search. I hate search, you know I can't spell worth a flip, and half the time I don't know the name of the morph I am looking for.
Hate that they moved the 0 pose 0 morph buttons. I know they needed to be change for the new options, but they could just as easily been dropdowns in the general tab as to actually move them to a different place and catigory.
When I got Dawn I learned quick that the autofit needs an off button.
I want DS tools and the ability to save out as a DUF from carrara. I don't need the DUF out, but the tools would be most welcome. Seriously if you are going to charge me for the ability to use content at least give me the ability to work on it.
I know it sounds bad, but at the top of my list for C9 is FRONT SCALE. This has been a bain of carrara's for me for quite some time. I get a crick in my neck from sloutching in to read the type. I have it set to the largest easy to read common font, it helps, but.....
My second one still has nothing to do with new features. I want to see some spit and polish, make things work smoothly, fix a lot of odds and ends little annoying bugs. And more feature tweaks/improvements. Ya, so you can do a tripple back flip, in the right shoes, wareing the right clothes, when you feel good, and there wind is blowing northeast with an updraft.
And I'm not worried about new features, my list hasen't changed for 3 builds now
Never liked the way 8.5 listed morphs either. I know it seems like such a little thing, but it turned me right off.
And about content. I've seen a few folks complaining that they can't modify clothing in the model room for Genesis. That sucks.
And I agree about the font scale. I have bifocals. If I sit at my computer long enough my neck starts to talk back.
And the biggest thing(s) for me would be some dynamic hair and SSS improvements. I'd really like for dynamic hair to show up in the separate render passes. I'm always having to erase bits of my AO passes because the hair doesn't show up.
The morphs list and inability to model clothes that have gone through autofit in the assembly room, were complained about early on.
DAZ's responce to our grips about the morphs list and moving the figure 0ing were DAZ's typical responce 
Yes, we have wanted SSS mapping for a while, still waiting. And hair worked best when it was first released.
Quote - The morphs list and inability to model clothes that have gone through autofit in the assembly room, were complained about early on.
DAZ's responce to our grips about the morphs list and moving the figure 0ing were DAZ's typical responce
Yes, we have wanted SSS mapping for a while, still waiting. And hair worked best when it was first released.
Yeah, I think I remember the DAZ response: "We know what's best" and "You'll love it."
And at the risk of repeating myself, I'd really love better SSS in Carrara.
Wouldn't it be nice if DAZ would at least try to give us what we want in carrara. And do it with out braking several other features.
So far DAZ has done a better job of braking preexisting features then introducing new ones. That is why I think C9 should be about fixing existing features and updating outdated features. Maybe if DAZ released a version of carrara with out new features, we could get a new version where they haven't borked old features.
Some one should tell Dell to read the forum before getting C8.5. He is on a mac and how well C8.5 works on a mac is dependent on which build you are running.
Could some one tell Dartanbeck there wont be a follow up C8.5 with any fixes. DAZ does not work that way now. If it is broke, it will be broke till C9, if it is fixed then.
But don't worry, I'm sure DAZ will be quite happy to sell you workarounds for the issues. That just seems to be the way DAZ does things now, release it broke, sell you a work around later.
It looks like Dell has already bit the bullet and bought 8.5.
It also looks like Dart was about to blow a gasket about autofit not working. It also looks like he may have found a selection of hoops to jump through that might work for some, but apparently not all folks experiencing the autofit blues.
Dart's fix seems to show that you still need Studio for things to work properly in Carrara. I thought DAZ said you wouldn't need Studio for Genesis, et al. to work in Carrara...of did I just dream that?
No I deleted it after an hour of working on it. I get sort of dispondent at times. Some times it seems such a waste trying to get DAZ to improve, fix things, and not be so incompatent.
My father was a marine corp drill instructor, I wasn't rased so much as drilled. What I learned was the only way to fix a problem is to stay at it till it's fixed. Dropping a bug report then going on your merry way does not solve issues. Especially when dealing with DAZ. You have to be up in DAZ's face constently not only to get them to fix something, but to even to get them to aknowledge there is an issue.
As in DAZ wont acknowledge the probablity that G1 is out of production. I think we have enough lacking in evedince of it being worked on to prove this. But at DAZ mods will pull a post rather then argue that it is, or verify it isn't. Proof DAZ depends on keeping customers ignorent.
A couple of things DAZ hasn't realized yet is, most people that are in to genesis and Studio have already bought most of the G1 content and have moved on to G2F; and impatiently waiting for G2M. And the over pricing of C8.5 cost them secondary sales of G1 content to carraraests just getting in to genesis.
DAZ is so busy counting the bit of money they made off the over pricing of C8.5, they missing out on a lot of sales to carraraests outfitting a new figure. I spent $70 on morphs to use on G1 just for the C8.5 beta. I still wanted the mil4 shapes and creature creator morphs. No use to me now. I wanted to get the similar morphs for G2F, ain't happening now. So for me DAZ over priced them selves right out of a better profit. DAZ would have made more off me outfiting G1 and G2F, then the profit they would have made off me buying the over priced C8.5.
I'm really worried about Andy, I sincerly hope nothing tragic has happened.
Quote - I'm really worried about Andy, I sincerly hope nothing tragic has happened.
I'm kind of hoping that real life has reared its ugly head. I think that a bout of RL is what caused him to go missing for a while about a year ago or so (if I remember right).
That or maybe he's just enjoying time a way from JM.
There was someone on the DAZ forum who managed to get in touch with him last time (I think), but I can't remember who it was.
I'm with you though in hoping he's all right.
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LOL He's just being contrary. He can't prove it wasn't said any better then I can prove it was. But as I have shown, whether it was said or not, the present facts speak for themselves. C8.5 is a complete departure from the upgrade path. I don't need any more proof then that. The burden of proof to the contrary is now on him.
All it would take is a DAZ_ to come on here and say there will be a full upgrade path from C8 to C9. But we already know DAZ has dropped the upgrade paths in carrara. So how can I be wrong? As I said, there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9 because there is no upgrade path from C8 to C8.5. More over there wont be an upgrade path from C8.5 to C9 ether.
Like the old joke "denial isn't just a river in egypt".
As I have said and keep reminding people, my assumptions of what DAZ is going to do has been right 16 out of 19 times, I'd bet on those sort of odds any time. Who wouldn't?
And I wont even argue I am not a reactionary. I feel it, I let it go, me bottling it up is a bad thing. Yes I have embaresed myself on more then one ocasion, I often misunderstand. But I'd rather let it go, rant and be embaresingly wrong, then bottle it up and end up with bleeding ulcers again.