Ok this is no work of art but an attempt to show the potential of Dina. From the left: Dina "outta da box", middle: Victoria 2 with Daz supermodel mat pose and some of Jim Burton's SMV morphs, right: Dina with scaling applied and using two of the supplied morphs, "breasts smaller" .8000 and "gravity Right" and "Left" set at -.2500. No textures, default poser lights, materials set to Vicky default for all 3, camera 100mm. It took less than 40 minutes to scale Dina to roughly SMV/Vicky 2 proportions. Yes, there is still a lot to be done but the potential of this model is amazing. Remember Vicky 1 and the "Ugly" posts. How long it took to get her looking good. Dina is just a week old but I would put good money down that she will metamorphose into the best female model yet if the morphmasters and texture makers give her some attention. Sure there are some areas I would really like to see improvements on like the whole shoulder-collar-neck area that makes her look like a wrestler. Also the joints and blend zones at the thigh/buttock interface could use some tweaking and her head needs to be prettier, for me anyway. But to be able to get close to SMV proportions with just a bit of rapid and not very good or thorough scaling adjustment shows the sheer possibilities of this model. All those polygons are a morpher's dream come true. And if anyone asks I have no connection with DSI, paid my $30 like everyone else. 1 satisfied customer STORM

Rear View.

i don't know, i'm still not sattisfied with what i see. i bought also natalia/natrixa and was dissapointed for the lack of detail. and now, it looks the same with dina, she's not even good looking in small renderings like nat/nat did. for that number of polys she has definitively too little details on her body. i don't mean the possibilities, they may be vast indeed, but i still haven't seen them. as you say, there's that shoulder-neck area, that need some reworking, it's anatomically incorrect, as well as belly-ribs area. the legs looks much like rotated splines, and so on... maybe face someone likes her face, but for me, she's ugly as... and meaning not ugly as a human, just as some thrid grade drunken doc gave her worst plastic of his life.

Aleks It is just a question of morphs, just like Vicky 1 to Jim Burton's SMV and Vicky 2. it takes a little while for people to create them but they will come in freestuff and as commercial products (I am sure). It took a very long time to get Vicky 1 to even passing standards but I suspect Dina will be there much quicker. regards STORM

BTW forgot to add, the above images are not rendered or anti-aliased, they are straight from the Poser working screen.

aleks, I'm just curious, what specifically didn't you like about Natalia? She has just as much if not more detail than most other Poser figures. I've never had that complaint before. What body part(s) are you referring to? As far as Dina's anatomy goes, well, believe it or not that's what the real woman looks like. Her proportions are straight from the scan. I can assure you I am well past the third grade, and very seldom drunk, especially not when modeling. Thanks Storm, and others, who have recognized the potential in Dina. With all those polygons, I think character creators will be able to make her look like whatever they want. I can't wait.

Hm getting a bit tempted s .. even though I promised myself I would NOT buy and more "stuff" ;-) .. can you tell me about any face dials? I am no magnet wizard.. I can just about morph my way out of a paper bag on a good day.. so what can I do about her face? can I change the nose ? change the mouth ? cheeks? .. if not is there going to be added dials later? Will they cost me again or will it be an upgrade? Is there going to be a shoulder fix? Will that cost me more? All in all the joint fixes look worth the cost alone .. but I have to agree she is not the most beautiful creature out there s .. how ever given a few face dials I can certainly see the potential ..

My take on it is this, if I were going to buy Dina I would get her for the same reason I got Natalia, because she is not Vickie. But I think I will be waiting for a bit before I jump to grab this one. To be honest I saw the pics of the model she was taken from and I don't really like the shape of the real woman. You do great work dcort, but I think a lot of people were just not ready for Dina. I will probably eventually get her just because she is so unique. I don't want to morph her into another Vickie, that would defeat the purpose of getting a different model wouldn't it? 8^) Keep up the good work dcort. And Jim, as much as I love SMV's body shape I'm not really attracted to her face, but I still got her because she is so unique. Marque

im still not pleased with her shoulders, neck and abdomen, and the overall lack of detail. but im impressed with what you managed to do with the default dina. congrats. now lets see some morphs for that hideous pug face of hers :)

marque - if you own vicky2 you can download the default vicky face morph from Jim Burton's site, then simply copy over the vicky2 morphs and youll have a figure with vicky2's head and all her morphs, and SMV's wicked body. after that the morph possibilities are endless, and you can even apply vicky2 character face poses like Syyd's Destiny. if you have trouble just IM me and ill help ya out.

Hey thanks! I will do that as I do own Vickie 2.0 Marque

damn that was fast :)

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Please do not make a 2nd Vicky to her ;) Mazak

hehe - she looks a little ...doughy for lack of another word. i must admit though, i like the creases along the side of her abdomen when you bend her torso - you sure that isnt postwork? nice image mazak, so far youve come closest in succeeding to make her look somewhat desirable :) if someone comes out with a really nice face morph for her i might actually buy her.

dcort, don't get me wrong, i didn't meant to insult anyone. concerning nat/nat: i wrote you already once, i think it was through yahoo's poser groups, and told you about her knees (as far as i remember) and a bit of missing details there and on other places. you told me it was because of the performance, you wanted best look with good performance. that's ok, i just didn't saw the close-ups. as marque said, she is unique, so i didn't complained, i use her just for some figures, that don't come too close. concerning dina: the first i saw her was on 'rotica (couldn't reach your site, kept getting "not available" messages) and i was almost frightened, because the first thing i saw were her genitals jumping to strike me. after that, one get an (maybe incorrect) impression, that she was build just for that purposes, namely as an exhibit for the gynecologist students. her face one can like or dislike (i still think of it as ugly - in the default morph - as well as i think that vicky2 also has that distinctive unnatural look) but it's very strong face that's hard to morph away. same problem is with p4man, it's just very hard to make him look like someone else - you always see the ol' dork. i know how normal women look like, thanks, though i never met one that look like her. i know, though, how they look after the plastic surgery, and she reminden me right away on them. maybe it's the way how that artist set her for the "shooting" at 'rotica, but i thoroghly disliked her. but as i said, it's only my opinion, and if i saw more, especially different faces, or a wireframe shot, or the list with morphs, or more pictures like above from blackharted, i'd have another opinion... so, i apologise if i offended you, it was most definitively not my purpose :-)

now, mazak, that really looks good! my opinion about her has improved for some 50% :o) (still missing details: feet, ribs, abdomen, hands...)

Blackhearted If you would know, how much fun it's make with Dina to work. Mazak

dcort, after some extensive looking on dina on other pictures, i just can't believe that her shoulders are from scan. they are just not functioning like this. to round, the upper curve goes just to far out. that maybe the case for some pro swimmers, but not for an everyday-women that dina is supposed to be. and in that case she would have larger deltoids and more definition around her back and neck.

aleks Dina has longnail morphs ;) hehe... Mazak

oh, and another one: how is she cut? like vicky or p4? what clothes can she wear? p4, vicky, nat or only her own?

Oh Oh.. we had already a very long disscusion... Yes the devault pose is very bad... I think Dinas shoulders must 10 Degrees turn down for a better look. Dina has her own clothes (no P4,Vicky) Mazak

She (Dina) looks pretty good in the top pic! As I said before, she is a great value for the money, too - but the whole problem once you get into a figure made my scaling and morphs is - will the clothing still fit? Blackhearted - Oh my, you do nice renders of SMV!

It took very long time, to DAZ its V2 morphing clothes came out. Mazak

mazak , you did a good job on the image.first image of her as a good looking woman. one question: how big is the download?

thgeisel (ich denke du bist deutscher, richtig?) Dina basic exe file has 10.5 mb The texture i use by DTHUREGRIF has 22 mb exe (tif format no jpg) Clothes Pack has 9.5 mb Mazak

oops, sorry to post questiones that has been answered i the other thread, i entirely missed it... i'm still puzzled, though... why use pro model, face like two months after a box fight with hollyfield, with silicon implants, body of football player and then sell it as a "average woman". that'll be hell of a work to make this face looking remotely different than this... and it's still the "money thing". she may cost "only" 30$, but we must add to this clothing, morphs, poses and textures (i know there's on with it)... guess i'll wait and see how she develops...

oha und das mit nem 56k-modem!Ist in dem basic file eine textur drin?

thgeisel Ja habe leider auch nur ISDN, dauert auch noch bei mir ein Jahr mit TDSL :( Mazak

Oh, Ja Dina hat eine textur dabei. Bei ihren Kleidern sind auch welche dabei. Mazak

thgeisel, Wir knen Ihnen Ihr Produkt auf einem CD immer schicken, wenn das f Sie einfacher sein wde. Jack

aleks, I think I remember your question now. Fair enough. I like Natalia's knees myself but I don't expect everyone to agree. And yes, at the time I made her I was concerned about polygon count. If I was doing Natalia over again today, I would make a higher-density mesh. As of this moment, Dina can wear only her own clothes. All of the clothing that I currently offer for Natalia is also offered in a Dina version, with the exception of my cloaks, which I hope to remedy soon. Some other people have also started to make clothing and accessories for her. I also have a corset/dress pack which will be released for Dina any day now and which will be available only for her and Natalia (Natalia version will be released sometime in the future). As for her shoulders, I don't want to keep arguing the point. She is what she is. I don't think I nor anyone at DSI has ever said Dina was supposed to be average (but then neither are most Poser women). Diane Griffith has posted a new free Dina .cr2 on Renderotica and GRC with some additional morphs to round her out and make her a little more proportional. I'm sorry if my website has been flaky. My web host has been having some trouble with viruses so sometimes dacort.com goes offline for brief periods.

Sehr elegant Jack. Du kanst auch Deutsch sprechen, oder? ;0) STORM

Marque is right. The real person this was based on definately has a strange shape. I didn't think the shoulders were right either until I looked at the models web site. That lady has some big shoulders. Strange choice to base a figure on. But contrary to what Others say....I like her face. She's much less plastic looking than any DAZ figure I've seen so far. I like it because it's different. Why do I get the feeling we are going to see a Dina head on a P4 body in the near future? ;-) ScottA

Storm, Es ist viel rostig, aber wenig :o) Wish I had listened to my Grandmother when she tried to teach me :o) Jack

::chuckles:: You just might Scott :o)

And proly will. I LIKE posette's body. ;] Just got a copy of Dina. I'm going to play with her for a few weeks and maybe do some comparisons to eve and Vicki. Then I'll come back to this debate actually knowing a little about what I'm talking about.

So far I'm not a huge Dina fan; she's got that linebacker's upper body and, as so many have said, not the pixie-ish face a lot of us seem drawn to in a model. And I'm not sure what we're trying to demonstrate by morphing her into Vicky2 (but with a giant schnozz)--I already own V2 and like her very much, but the fact that Dina can be morphed into something that resembles her seems a weak selling point at best. But, I have to say this in support of Dina--she's got a pretty nice ass.

I am not selling her Mosca, I am just one very happy customer. ;0) Vicky 2 and Vicky 2 SMV are my favourite models at the moment. They pose beautifully, have lots of morphs and I love their shape. I have only one gripe with them, not enough polys to create some of the morphs I want like realistic skin creases and puppy fat rolls not to mention more highly defined musculature. So today was the first opportunity that I had time to play with Dina and I decided to test her in a very simple re-scaling experiment with Vicky 2 SMV as the goal. Having read the criticisms I decided to post my results because I really believe this model, with its huge poly count, can be anything you want, from aliens to fantasy to female types of all sorts. She could even be morphed into an ultra-realistic male figure. Now there is a thought! I have not gone near her face yet (slight dread - ;o)- ) but again the potential is there. And yea she has a superb ass! Regards STORM

I made these head morphs for Dina. I think they look nice (I don't care for the default Dina face either). Diane Griffith's free morphs were instrumental in making these BTW. They are in the free stuff. Laurie

Hi All! I saw this thread earlier, and was thinking about it while running errands just now. I happened to drive past a College campus, a group of a couple dozen female students who were jogging in the nearby hills. Out of the group, there were perhaps 2 who had any resemblance to SMV or even Vicky in bodytype, but I'd consider nearly all of them to be attractive in their own way. In the same way, I think Dina is a definite keeper. I see dozens of Fem Creations here & on other sites that are based on someone's fantasy Ideal. They all start to look alike pretty fast. I like some genuine variation. Lends an illusion of reality to a scene. I looked into buying Dina the other night at Rendererotica, actually had her & several accy products in my shopping cart, but had to jump to another site before I checked out to chk something I got in an EMail; when I came back, I found my cart was empty. (Guess I'm spoiled by the way Renderosity's cart retains products as long as you want) I'm still planning on buying Dina, but probably not until this weekend, when I have time to re-build the selection of items I want. Question; Can anyone tell me how does Dina stack up as regards to expressions? I'm hoping that with a higher poly count, she can manage more than Victoria 2. Try as I might , there are some emotions Vic just can't display. For the price, Dina has definite potential.

leather-guy, Sorry about the shopping cart feature. That's something we'll have to look into. Meanwhile, here's the set of face poses I made for Dina. These are all made from her standard expression morphs. No added morphs were used. Diane

PS - Any expressions you would like to see that you don't see here or can't do with Vicki? I'd be willing to try them out on dina for you. Diane

So has Natalia just been left at the last off ramp now that Dina is here or will people still be doing morphs and such for her? Marque

Marque, Natalia is alive and well, and I am still working on making more stuff for her, as well as for Dina. There are several characters available for her from other vendors, too, as well as some nice free ones. I hope other people will continue to develop things for her, but I definitely will.

Thanks J.D.Kammerer, but if i decide to buy Ill take the download time ( about one hour for 10 mb) And perhaps i buy her , because of this dicussion and i want to see what can be done with her. Hope she will not disappoint me :-))

Well I have the Blossum stuff for her, didn't realize there was more. I will have to do a search. Thanks, Marque

Marque, I have two character/textures available for Natalia in thegrc.com store. I also did two sets of styles/textures for her clothing pack, which give you a bunch of different looks. The textures will work on any of the basic clothing packs, Vicki's, Natalia's, Posette's, Dina's, but the cr2's to set the styles will only work on Natalia's. Diane

Marque, Diane's characters and textures for Natalia are excellent. DMentia's Blossom is also excellent. Tammy's Megan character for Natalia is awesome, and in addtion to the character/texture comes with some great light sets for Poser. Ingrid of Handspan Studios offers Lorelei for Natalia, which includes textures not only for Natalia but for the Crimson mermaid tail as well. Lorelei is the most radically altered Natalia I have seen yet, very cute and completely unlike the stock Natalia. There may be another one or two that is escaping me a the moment, but all the above are absolutely top-notch.