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Subject: How to, redvipers clothes?
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Clothing should always be made on the base figure. It is not DAZ 3D's responsibility to ensure the quality of clothing anywhere but as sold at DAZ 3D, or to make clothing built wrong magically work in a way not intended.
Note even in the case where it isn't done correctly, you can still convert it.
I have not yet transferred the morphs from the original clothing to the new clothing or done any clean up, but this is Redviper's Sleeveless Tennis set on V5.
And you haven't sent that to Hex to fix that blouse?
No, good content is good for the figure it was made for. It not being made your way doesn't make it bad.
And no, Autofit not having an actual Aiko4 morph isn't DAZ's fault. Not like DAZ developed it or something.
No, wait.....
And how can I "still convert it"? I mean it's not like I actually asked how in the first post.
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Quote - I have most if not all of redvipers clothes for A4. I've tried repeatedly but they just wont fit genesis. I've tried to autofit to A4 and V4 but the waist is always tucked in to the body, is there a way to fix this?
Quote - Ok, I'm sorry, I just can't let this go. It's not DAZ's fault; or responcability to fix, that the Aiko4 selection in Autofit isn't the mil4 Aiko4 body shape?
Really?
Since clothing is supposed to be modeled on the base figure's shape, which is Victoria 4, yes, that is both bad content and not DAZ 3D's responsibility. The clone shape is correct based on the standard for making clothing.
Quote - And you haven't sent that to Hex to fix that blouse?
No, good content is good for the figure it was made for. It not being made your way doesn't make it bad.
And no, Autofit not having an actual Aiko4 morph isn't DAZ's fault. Not like DAZ developed it or something.
No, wait.....
And how can I "still convert it"? I mean it's not like I actually asked how in the first post.
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Quote - I have most if not all of redvipers clothes for A4. I've tried repeatedly but they just wont fit genesis. I've tried to autofit to A4 and V4 but the waist is always tucked in to the body, is there a way to fix this?
DAZ Studio only. No Hex, no smooth and collision, no push modifiers.
You asked if there was a way to fix it, not how to fix it. There is a way to fix it.
Transfer utility using the Aiko 4 and Hiro 4 shapes for Genesis on Genesis and it works. You could probably use Slosh's Generation 4 shapes for Genesis 2 Female, but I didn't try that combination.
Note there are plenty of Tris in the wrong places on that outfit, which means that adding Sub-d or collision and smoothing causes the mesh come apart. Like I said, bad content is bad.
Right, not made by DAZ? Must be trash, got it.
"Transfer utility using the Aiko 4 and Hiro 4 shapes for Genesis on Genesis and it works".
I actually tried that, thought it was crazy, but hey my crazy ideas work quite often. This one just locked up Studio for half an hour, then I killed it.
"You asked if there was a way to fix it, not how to fix it".
Hey, don't be pissing in my back yard, I'm the snide one here. :P
And remind me to never ask you for a tutorial.
No bad content is completely unusable, and often left up in the store for months. Oh wait, that wasn't content, it was an app for mac, my bad.
Those clothes work great for the figure they were designed for, me trying to use them on something else is the issue. Don't even try to blame the PA.
More over if you aren't using Hex to fix Autofit issues, you are missing the easiest most effective way to fix said issues.
And don't even get me started on poorly made clothes. I'm fixing some; or trying to, from DAZ now. But you wont here me gripe about that stuff, fixing content is why I learned to use the tools in studio to begin with. And why I need to lean the new ones.
Quote - Right, not made by DAZ? Must be trash, got it.
I never said that, or even implied that. I said exactly what made the content bad.
Quote - "You asked if there was a way to fix it, not how to fix it". Hey, don't be pissing in my back yard, I'm the snide one here. :P
And remind me to never ask you for a tutorial.
With your attitude, why would you expect anyone to go through the trouble for you.
Quote - Those clothes work great for the figure they were designed for, me trying to use them on something else is the issue. Don't even try to blame the PA.
And which figure is that? Because that clothing does not work on Victoria 4, it only works on a Morph of Victoria 4. There is only one Published Artist that has made clothing for a figure, for sale in any major store, that is not built for the base figure. If that isn't the standard, then why is that so? > Quote - More over if you aren't using Hex to fix Autofit issues, you are missing the easiest most effective way to fix said issues.
I never said I don't or wouldn't, though I prefer a different set of tools, I said I had not used anything but DAZ Studio in this case. If I were going to fix this clothing I would probably start with Modo or 3D-Coat and re-topo it as the mesh is not up to current standards.
"With your attitude, why would you expect anyone to go through the trouble for you".
Funny, 3DAGE gets no attitude from me, wonder why that is?
"If that isn't the standard, then why is that so"?
That is the DAZ standard, hate to let you down so hard, but DAZ does not rule the world. The clothes are made as well as, and fit the figure they were built for as well as any clothes I have bought at DAZ; and better then some. As far as I'm concerned that is a lot of work and quality that went in to a series of free clothes.
Typical DAZ attitude, "we aren't doing it wrong everyone else is".
"Oh it's not our responcabilty to fix it, it's some one elses, then we can sell the work around we host for the person that actually put the effort in to fixing it". cha-ching.
I spent an hour last night trying to fix an artical of clothing I bought from DAZ. There is no easy fix, it will have to be rerigged and reweightmapped to be usable. So don't get me started on badly made content.
And I don't blaim the PA, QA is DAZ's responcability.
Why are you missing that I am pushing Hex2 because it works so well with Studio, and is actually on sale now? Of coarse I've always wondered why DAZ people don't push DAZ apps other then Studio.
Lol, Manley are you picking fights again. Cmon it cant all be daz's fault, surely? Your gonna give yourself a stroke one of these days. :p
Or worse still maybe we will find you living in a cardboard box in old clothes muttering a jumble of expletives mixed with "... And Daz wont fix it..." "... They know, they KNOW, but nooooo there not gonna fix it..." Try to picture shaking fists and wild eyes, you know the type ;)
Sometimes you just need to close your eyes and breath, let the calmness encompass you, embrace you, caress you. Remember how vast and infinite the universe truly is and remember mate, the universe will love you if you let it ;)
I have to agree with manley on this one. DAZ didn't start pushing the Unimesh/Unifit concept until faily late in V4's life cycle. I am sure there where and may still be clothing for A4 sold at DAZ that was built around the A4 shape. Why even bother including a separate A4 Auto-Fit option if everything Gen 4 was meant to use V4?
Quote - I have to agree with manley on this one. DAZ didn't start pushing the Unimesh/Unifit concept until faily late in V4's life cycle. I am sure there where and may still be clothing for A4 sold at DAZ that was built around the A4 shape. Why even bother including a separate A4 Auto-Fit option if everything Gen 4 was meant to use V4?
Generally Gen 4 clothing was built against the base figure and fits for other characters were added in. The unimesh fits simply added the other morph shapes in, but it was still against the base shape.
I think it's been established that not every bit of clothing was made to be converted into genesis. It's simply unrealistic to think that all clothing and shoes can be converted. Some clothing items have triangles and aren't welded so they tend to explode. But it goes back to how the clothing was made; sometimes you will need to pop clothing into a modeller first to get them in a form to be converted. It absolutely doesn't mean DAZ's tools need to be fixed as a good deal of clothing can be converted over. Some clothing were made in poser, where certain things are more forgiving than in DS; I have a few items for M4 that works in Poser and not DS but after messing with them in a modeller, I got them to work with genesis.
So if clothing is not set up to be converted, either you have to do the work to get it to that spot or try something else.
That doesn't change the fact that autofit has the option to select the A4 body shape, then doen't use the A4 body shape. If it is going to use the V4 body shape anyway why have an A4 option at all?
No I don't expect it to convert all clothes, but if I have the option of A4 it should convert clothes made for Aiko 4. Simple as that. Other wise having the A4 option is misleading at best. How is that any different then offering me the Sp3 option then not be able to convert Sp3 clothes becuase it is useing the V3 body.
And I think some one is full of it. I've tried that genesis A4 body shape morph thing and it crashes studio each and every time.
Now back to trying to google up a written tutorial on how to rerig and weight map DAZ content. I just love buying items I have to fix to use.
Why do I not shop at DAZ much? Because of the 6 items I bought in the last few weeks, one I had to give up on the files of; none of the files would load, and just used the textures, one I had to get a refund on, and one I am trying to fix now. So half the time when I buy something from DAZ it doesn't work right out of the box.{and what sort of argument is that?}
Why? because quality control got tossed under the bus for profits sake. IMHO
Yes I was agrivated when I started this thread. It made no logical sence to me what so ever that autofit had an A4 option but couldn't convert A4 clothes. Did I get help? Did I get an explanation of how to do it? No, I got handed excuses as to why it isn't DAZ's fault the A4 option in Autofit wont convert A4 clothes.
That is all I get from DAZ, do I get updates? Very very rarly and only for Studio.
Do I get fixes for known show stopper bugs?
Fixes for bad apps and content?
No, all I get is excuse after excuse.
You know what the real problem is right? I hold DAZ to a much higher standard then most. Not my fault you have lower expectations of DAZ. And you know what you get when you lower your expectations right?
I think the solution would be to stop using autofit and buy clothes actually for the figure. Or just stop using genesis if you're not willing to actually invest in it. Would save you some grief. I don't think anyone is having the degree of problems you have, especially when you rather complain than look at solutions when trying to convert nonstandard clothing.
If there's Gen4 clothing you want to use, just use it on Gen4.
I think there comes a point when you should just cut your losses and run. I think you're past it.
But you seemed to miss where I pointed out I have bought new clothes for genesis from DAZ And I still need to fix them to use them. So buying new clothes for genesis doesn't mean I still wont have clothing issues. Seriously, I'm going to have to learn to rerig and reweightmap clothes I have bought from DAZ, in order to use them.
And I have invested in Genesis, I had to to use autofit. I bought the male/female head and body morphs bundle, I bought the Mil 3 iconic shapes, I bought the creature creator morphs, I'm gald I didn't buy the genetalia for gnesis. I've bought clothes for genesis, guess what? Mil4 clothes were made better.
I just don't for the life of me understand why people are so forgiving of the inept work DAZ does.
Autofit wont convert A4 clothes properly because it does not use the A4 body shape when selected. Not my fault, not the fault of the PA that made the clothes, that rests squarly on DAZ's shoulders.
Now I could set here and expound on what all DAZ has done right, what works great, what I am over joyed with; no it wouldn't take long, but there is far too much of that already. If there weren't, DAZ wouldn't be doing such an inept job of things.
As in, see the picture above, I love being able to set that up in Studio and have it work in carrara, makes posing a figure so much easier. Especially when it only takes about 6 steps and works dependably; now if I could just figure out how to get it to work with shin.
Quote - I think the solution would be to stop using autofit and buy clothes actually for the figure. Or just stop using genesis if you're not willing to actually invest in it. Would save you some grief.
Oh it's a bit of an aggrivation, doesn't cause me any greif.
Quote - I don't think anyone is having the degree of problems you have,
That is because very few people put these apps through there paces. I've been an alpha/beta tester for 14 years, I try stuff with these apps most people wouldn't think of; and it works most of the time surprisingly enough. It's when things don't work as they should, or as well as they should, I get annoyed.
You would also have a hard time finding anyone the uses carrara, studio, and hex2, together exclusivly, like I do. How is that not suporting DAZ?
Quote - especially when you rather complain than look at solutions when trying to convert nonstandard clothing.
Ya that's all my bad there. I'm not dumb, I'm thick. I can usually figure out how to do things with out help. When I can't it frustrates me and I feel dumb having to ask for help.
Quote - If there's Gen4 clothing you want to use, just use it on Gen4.
But didn't DAZ make autofit so I could move mil4/mil3 clothes to genesis? Didn't I buy those morphs so I could use autofit to move those clothes up? Seriously, was that not the sales pitch for autofit in Studio 4 when it was released?
Quote - I think there comes a point when you should just cut your losses and run. I think you're past it.
My middle name might as well be tenacious. I'm sure both spooky and Richard can attest to my flat out pigheadedness. I'm a pitbull on a soup bone 
Quote - That doesn't change the fact that autofit has the option to select the A4 body shape, then doen't use the A4 body shape. If it is going to use the V4 body shape anyway why have an A4 option at all?
You buy a properly constructed clothing item, advertised for A4 and try to use the A4 clone and what happens? It doesn't work because the clothing is built correctly on the base shape, which is V4's shape, not A4. A4 is not truly a base shape, it is a morph.
Then why have it listed as a converion option? I mean other then to mislead people in to beleiving autofit will convert clothes made for A4. If DAZ had made autofit right; as in actually use the A4 shape to convert A4 clothes, we wouldn't be having this argument where you are trying to push this autofit issue off on the PAs.
Seriously would it really be beyond DAZ's devs to have autofit use the A4 body shape when you select A4?
DAZ sells A4 clothes, so what you are saying is that dress I bought for A4, was advertised for A4 is actually the same dress DAZ sells for V4? So if A4 and V4 are the same character why is DAZ selling 2 versions of the same dress, 1 for A4 and 1 for V4?
So DAZ is basically lieing to us, oh excuse me, marketing to us, selling SP4 clothes, A4 clothes, or clothes for any V4 morph like Reba. Because they are all actually for V4. I can take it you don't see the falsness of that sort of advertising? But this is nothing new for DAZ, they are still doing the same thing. Look at all the clothes in the store for V6, but V6 is just a morphs of G2F. So those clothes are for G2F and any G2F morph, not just V6. So why advertis it as V6? Oh, ya, that is right, so you can sell the exact same clothes listed for G2F. Or better yet convince people if they want those clothes they will have to buy the V6 morphs.
Or are you saying V6 clothes wont fit G2F? If so you might as well book mark this argument, we will be back when people try to convert V6 clothes to V7 and can't because autofit uses the G2F body shape when you select V6, not the V6 body shape you need to convert the clothes up to V7.
I don't do this to bring DAZ down, I do it to make DAZ a better company. I don't do this becaue I hate DAZ, I do this because I like DAZ and would like to think they can do a much better job of it. It's like being mad and aggrivated at your kids bad grades at school because you know they are capable of much better.
Quote - Then why have it listed as a converion option? I mean other then to mislead people in to beleiving autofit will convert clothes made for A4. If DAZ had made autofit right; as in actually use the A4 shape to convert A4 clothes, we wouldn't be having this argument where you are trying to push this autofit issue off on the PAs.
Seriously would it really be beyond DAZ's devs to have autofit use the A4 body shape when you select A4?
DAZ sells A4 clothes, so what you are saying is that dress I bought for A4, was advertised for A4 is actually the same dress DAZ sells for V4? So if A4 and V4 are the same character why is DAZ selling 2 versions of the same dress, 1 for A4 and 1 for V4?
So DAZ is basically lieing to us, oh excuse me, marketing to us, selling SP4 clothes, A4 clothes, or clothes for any V4 morph like Reba. Because they are all actually for V4. I can take it you don't see the falsness of that sort of advertising? But this is nothing new for DAZ, they are still doing the same thing. Look at all the clothes in the store for V6, but V6 is just a morphs of G2F. So those clothes are for G2F and any G2F morph, not just V6. So why advertis it as V6? Oh, ya, that is right, so you can sell the exact same clothes listed for G2F. Or better yet convince people if they want those clothes they will have to buy the V6 morphs.
Or are you saying V6 clothes wont fit G2F? If so you might as well book mark this argument, we will be back when people try to convert V6 clothes to V7 and can't because autofit uses the G2F body shape when you select V6, not the V6 body shape you need to convert the clothes up to V7.
I don't do this to bring DAZ down, I do it to make DAZ a better company. I don't do this becaue I hate DAZ, I do this because I like DAZ and would like to think they can do a much better job of it. It's like being mad and aggrivated at your kids bad grades at school because you know they are capable of much better.
Clothing made against the V6 shape will not work with G2F because G2F is the base that you're supposed to make clothing against. Clothing can be advertised for a character if that character fit is included, such as saying an outfit is for V6 because it was built against the base and has a V6 fit to it... just like saying an outfit is for A4 or S4, because it was built against the V4 base shape and includes the fits for a4 or S4.
Making an outfit directly for a shape like A4 may have worked for Gen4, but it would be improperly designed thus not able to be used for genesis.
Does it make sense why DAZ did the clones they way they did? Because nothing has changed in how clothes should be properly made if they want to be used with he conversion tools.
Quote - Then why have it listed as a converion option? I mean other then to mislead people in to beleiving autofit will convert clothes made for A4. If DAZ had made autofit right; as in actually use the A4 shape to convert A4 clothes, we wouldn't be having this argument where you are trying to push this autofit issue off on the PAs.
I have already explained this to you. Properly made clothing for "A4" is really made for Victoria 4.
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That is, and has been, the industry standard for clothing for all figures. It is not just a DAZ 3D QA standard.
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There is not a single clothing item sold in any major store for A4 or that says it is for A4, that does not work with the provided autofit clone for A4.
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Published Artists are, and are expected to be more technically savy than customers. Customers do not, necessarily understand the difference between the base figure and a morph.
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How many clothing items in this store say the clothing is for Victoria 6 instead of Genesis 2 Female, especially if you exclude the fine print?
Get off your rant. The only thing broken here is the freebies you want to use.
"3. Published Artists are, and are expected to be more technically savy than customers. Customers do not, necessarily understand the difference between the base figure and a morph".
Yes, that is why I am learning to rig and weight map in Studio.
"I have already explained this to you. Properly made clothing for "A4" is really made for Victoria 4."
Then why is DAZ selling it to me under the guys of an A4 clothing item?
"Customers do not, necessarily understand the difference between the base figure and a morph".
So now you are trying to justify the A4 selection in autofit on customers ignorance?
"4. How many clothing items in this store say the clothing is for Victoria 6 instead of Genesis 2 Female, especially if you exclude the fine print"?
Ah yes, that is laudable. First insinuate customers are ignorent; of the difference between a figure and a morph, then insinuate they are smart enough to read the fine print. So which is it? It can't be both.
Dude I know quite well clothes having "for V6" on them is just to push the V6 morph.
This stopped being about the clothes when I couldn't get a simple how to. This is all about DAZ finding it easier to justify not doing something as simple as seting up autofit to use the A4 body shape when selecting A4 body shape to convert from, then to fix it, or maybe even to have done it right in the first place.
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The freebies work fine on the figure they were designed for. They are not broke.
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If autofit used the actual A4 body shape when the A4 body shape is selected, there would not be an issue. Not just for these but any clothes made for that body shape.
Quote - "3. Published Artists are, and are expected to be more technically savy than customers. Customers do not, necessarily understand the difference between the base figure and a morph".
Yes, that is why I am learning to rig and weight map in Studio.
"I have already explained this to you. Properly made clothing for "A4" is really made for Victoria 4."
Then why is DAZ selling it to me under the guys of an A4 clothing item?
"Customers do not, necessarily understand the difference between the base figure and a morph".
So now you are trying to justify the A4 selection in autofit on customers ignorance?
"4. How many clothing items in this store say the clothing is for Victoria 6 instead of Genesis 2 Female, especially if you exclude the fine print"?
Ah yes, that is laudable. First insinuate customers are ignorent; of the difference between a figure and a morph, then insinuate they are smart enough to read the fine print. So which is it? It can't be both.
Dude I know quite well clothes having "for V6" on them is just to push the V6 morph.
This stopped being about the clothes when I couldn't get a simple how to. This is all about DAZ finding it easier to justify not doing something as simple as seting up autofit to use the A4 body shape when selecting A4 body shape to convert from, then to fix it, or maybe even to have done it right in the first place.
The freebies work fine on the figure they were designed for. They are not broke.
If autofit used the actual A4 body shape when the A4 body shape is selected, there would not be an issue. Not just for these but any clothes made for that body shape.
A4 is a morph of V4, so clothing for A4 has the fit for A4 but setup using the v4 base shape..
Does A4 have it's own rigging or does it use v4? V4 is the base figure so clothing should be made for that, NOT a morph of V4. V4 has the rigging so that's what the clothing should use. If you want your freebies to fit, take it into hexagon and refit it to V4. Far better use of your time than trying to erroneously try to convince DAZ to change their standards and criteria for clothing conversion. It's not broken, your freebies are.
Quote - I'm out this argument has went too circular for me.
"That D in math is just fine little DAZy, have a cookie".
You start the thread talking about the work of a specific freebie maker. When it is explained by not one but two experts that ruins your perfectly good rant you run away instead of accepting the answer.
And for the record, I never said anyone was ignorant. You said it.
No, there is just no talking sence to you. You want to make excuses for DAZ's inept work, feel free. Doesn't mean I have to buy any word of it.
I give you facts, you ignor them and give me excuses. We're getting no where because I wont see ineptitude as a good thing.
"Another D in english, well that's ok little DAZy, have another cookie".
Quote - Does A4 have it's own rigging or does it use v4? V4 is the base figure so clothing should be made for that, NOT a morph of V4. V4 has the rigging so that's what the clothing should use. If you want your freebies to fit, take it into hexagon and refit it to V4. Far better use of your time than trying to erroneously try to convince DAZ to change their standards and criteria for clothing conversion. It's not broken, your freebies are.
Does Sp3 have it's own rigging or V3s? Does A3 have it's own rigging or V3s? Does Dave or Freak3 have their own rigging or M3s?
Dude I already know I can use V3s morphs on Sp3 or even M3. So Sp3 could easily be a morph for V3. In fact Sp3 can be used as a morph target for V3.
Simple question. If autofit actually used the A4 body shape wouldn't it be able to convert clothes made for A4?
The issue isn't with a PA making quality freebies for a spacific V4 body shape, but that Autofit uses the wrong body shape to convert the clothes. I just don't get why you all can't admit this.
Oh wait, my bad. DAZ can do no wrong so if this is the way DAZ did it, it has to be right.
Quote - > Quote - Does A4 have it's own rigging or does it use v4? V4 is the base figure so clothing should be made for that, NOT a morph of V4. V4 has the rigging so that's what the clothing should use. If you want your freebies to fit, take it into hexagon and refit it to V4. Far better use of your time than trying to erroneously try to convince DAZ to change their standards and criteria for clothing conversion. It's not broken, your freebies are.
Does Sp3 have it's own rigging or V3s? Does A3 have it's own rigging or V3s? Does Dave or Freak3 have their own rigging or M3s?
They do each have their own rigging. A3 and SP3 are not just morphs of V3. David and The Freak are not just morphs of M3. You claim this is DAZ 3D's fault. Fine, file a ticket and get the official response from DAZ 3D.
Find a PA product sold in any major store that has the same issue with A4 as this one freebie creator, make sure you include that in your ticket.
Stan I am quite happy to give the devs an earfull when they make an arse of something, and I've gotten into trouble from doing so, but I know the difference between when it their fault and when it's somebody elses fault. You have lost the plot and have a massive chip on shoulder reguarding DAZ, it's time to lose that chip before it's too late.
Quote - Find a PA product sold in any major store that has the same issue with A4 as this one freebie creator, make sure you include that in your ticket.
Wicked Grin Sorry can't resist, and while it isn't about A4 it is about V4, all of the clothing Gabe made for his GND4 character wont autofit to Genesis, that because he deliberately made them to only fit his GND4 morph, and yes I am **** stirring, like I said I couldn't resist :lol:
Quote - Stan I am quite happy to give the devs an earfull when they make an arse of something, and I've gotten into trouble from doing so, but I know the difference between when it their fault and when it's somebody elses fault. You have lost the plot and have a massive chip on shoulder reguarding DAZ, it's time to lose that chip before it's too late.
Quote - Find a PA product sold in any major store that has the same issue with A4 as this one freebie creator, make sure you include that in your ticket.
Wicked Grin Sorry can't resist, and while it isn't about A4 it is about V4, all of the clothing Gabe made for his GND4 character wont autofit to Genesis, that because he deliberately made them to only fit his GND4 morph, and yes I am **** stirring, like I said I couldn't resist :lol:
Yes, and I said there was one PA, that has done it and that happens to be the one. Not just for GND4 but also for GND2 and Irina. And while the shapes are extreme to support those morphs using the accepted, and normal way to do things, it is possible. Aiko 4 is not an extreme shape. (And before ManleyStanley tries to apply a meaning not inherent in the statement of calling Gabe's shapes extreme, extreme does not mean bad. )
Quote - They do each have their own rigging. A3 and SP3 are not just morphs of V3. David and The Freak are not just morphs of M3. Good job of completly missing the point. Or are you just side stepping it?
You claim this is DAZ 3D's fault. Fine, file a ticket and get the official response from DAZ 3D.
You say that like I don't know who runs that dept.
Find a PA product sold in any major store that has the same issue with A4 as this one freebie creator, make sure you include that in your ticket.
I can't. I have better things to do with my money then dump it in on DAZ content. And considering the luck I am having with it I'm hesitent to buy any.
Please explain to me how a cloak can make it past QA that can't be posed in anything but arms at sides poses? It's useless to me, luckily the rest of the costume works fine; well after some tweakage.
That chip wouldn't be on my should if DAZ didn't keep putting it back up there ;) And one thing I can count on DAZ for is to consistently give me reasons to gripe.
Quote - > Quote - They do each have their own rigging. A3 and SP3 are not just morphs of V3. David and The Freak are not just morphs of M3. Good job of completly missing the point. Or are you just side stepping it?
You asked if they have different rigging. I answered. It is not the same situation, at all, as any Mil 4 figure. Whatever point you were trying to make with your false equivalency, you failed to make it.
Quote - You claim this is DAZ 3D's fault. Fine, file a ticket and get the official response from DAZ 3D. You say that like I don't know who runs that dept.
So there is this huge error DAZ 3D has made, yet you won't even file a ticket about it. Since you refuse to file a ticket, you give up even trying to get it to change and you, therefore, have absolutely no basis for complaining about it.
Quote - > Quote - Find a PA product sold in any major store that has the same issue with A4 as this one freebie creator, make sure you include that in your ticket.
I can't. I have better things to do with my money then dump it in on DAZ content. And considering the luck I am having with it I'm hesitent to buy any.
You can't, which infers it is only this particular freebie artist. I did say any major store.
Quote - Please explain to me how a cloak can make it past QA that can't be posed in anything but arms at sides poses? It's useless to me, luckily the rest of the costume works fine; well after some tweakage.
No idea, have you filed a ticket about it?
You say that like filing a ticket; excluding asking for refunds, has ever, at any time made a difference. I don't file tickets because I gave up, it's more of a waste of my time then this.
Would you like to step over to the carrara forum where I can point out all the bugs introed and features that were broke in the release version that weren't in the beta? Has anything been done to address all those tickets? No? Then what was the point of fileing them?
Would you like to discuss the V4 MFD yet again? How many people filled how many tickets on that and it has ever been fixed? No. Is DAZ is still selling it knowing it's broke? Yes.
V3, Sp3, and Aiko 3 all have the same rigging. As I pointed out I can use V3 morphs on ether other figure; as well as Laura, there for they are the same mesh with the same rigging. They may be sold as stand alone figures, but they are basically just morphs of the V3 mesh and rigging.
Why can't you admit that if Autofit used the actual A4 body shape these clothes would convert as well as any other?
Hell If I knew how to set Autofit up to use the actual A4 body shape I would.
I think I know how, but I'd have to buy the mil4 iconic shapes to find out, and yes, it would be worth it if I could use these clothes on genesis. Hey, got to use that $7 coupon on something lol I'd prefer to spend it on the iconic shapes for G2F, but I have a work around for the need of them.
Quote - V3, Sp3, and Aiko 3 all have the same rigging. As I pointed out I can use V3 morphs on ether other figure; as well as Laura, there for they are the same mesh with the same rigging. They may be sold as stand alone figures, but they are basically just morphs of the V3 mesh and rigging.
They have different rigging, which has nothing to do with the fact they are vertex compatible, thus the can apply morphs to each other.
Quote - > Quote - You say that like filing a ticket; excluding asking for refunds, has ever, at any time made a difference. I don't file tickets because I gave up, it's more of a waste of my time then this.
Then this is a waste of my time, and I'll just place you on ignore.
Time for me to do that as well.
Quote - > Quote - You say that like filing a ticket; excluding asking for refunds, has ever, at any time made a difference. I don't file tickets because I gave up, it's more of a waste of my time then this.
Then this is a waste of my time, and I'll just place you on ignore.
Yup, that is how DAZ handels tickets.
Typical of DAZ, paint them in to a corner and then they don't want to play. I see you responded as well as you usually do to my points, as in not.
I painted you in to a corner you couldn't possably get out of with out admiting you were wrong, so time to take your ball and go home. Typical.
Male_M3dia, you may be right on the rigging, I can't say I have ever compared them side by side.
Quote - I have most if not all of redvipers clothes for A4. I've tried repeatedly but they just won’t fit genesis. I've tried to autofit to A4 and V4 but the waist is always tucked in to the body, is there a way to fix this?
Stan, as others have pointed out, the cloths in question were modeled to fit the A4 figure morph only, not to fit V4 with an included morph to fit A4, which is the "proper" way to make cloths for any of the V4 based figures. No doubt redviper has included a hack in the cr2 to turn off any of the autoconform functions with regard to the base V4/A4 shapes so the cloths work properly on A4.
The problem you cite here is exactly what would be expected to happen with clothing for A4 modeled only around the A4 body shape, and not for V4 with a morph for A4. A4's waist is smaller than V4's. This is a gross oversimplification, but to understand what is happening let's just say that autofit uses vertex deltas from the base shape of V4 (i.e. a x,y,z movement value for each vertex of the base shape), to create the base shape for the A4 morph in the clothing. Thus, the waist in the clothing in question will be have x,y,z, deltas applied that will cause it to be smaller than it "should" be. Autofit is not looking for an A4 morph in the clothing to use in the calculations for the new geometry, it uses the "base" unmorphed shape of the clothing to start from, which should be for V4, not A4 (this is true for G4, and S4 as well, the clothing must be made to fit V4, and have a morph for G4 or S4).
So, in essence what you are saying is that you want DAZ to make autofit work for clothing that was not made "properly" to work with Genesis. Yes, DAZ could do this, but it would require a lot of additional coding, additional end user input, and for the end user to know if the clothing in question was built properly or not. All of this to support a few items, in this case freebies, from other websites, that were improperly made to begin with?
You want DAZ to comb the web for freebies, buy all relevant content from every store with "compatible" clothing, and ensure that Autofit will work with it? Maybe in an ideal world, where programmers worked for free and could program very complex software components in minutes rather than days/months, and where support staff also worked for free and loved finding all possible issues for the programmers to program against, this could be done. But the reality of the situation is that DAZ has chosen to allocated resources to make autofit work well for most of clothing that is created properly, past that point you get diminishing returns where investment is much higher for minor gains.
There is no technology available right now that will perfectly convert all clothing from one figure to another. Additionally, they all have problems with improperly made/designed clothing. Do I wish that autofit worked perfectly on every piece of clothing I have? Of course I do. Do I think that this is theoretically possible? Yes I do. Do I think it’s a realistic expectation? No, not only do I not think it’s a realistic expectation, but I think it’s a completely unreasonable expectation. The amount of “artificial intelligence” and error/exception handling that would be required would simply make the resultant program so complex that it would take forever to calculate the results, of course that would be after the years of development it would take to get the product out. IMHO, I would rather have autofit work well for most of the properly made content, rather than wait another few years (or more) for it to work with almost everything available.
Of course all of this is just my opinion based on how autofit, and other clothing convertors perform, and over a quarter century of working in the IT industry (including programming and software design). If you don’t trust my opinion and the logic behind my statements, I strongly encourage you to pursue some training in 3D programing and data/object conversion. Then you should be able to make a truly informed decision about what the realistic expectations for autofit might be.
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As for a way to fix the outfit(s), the only way I know of would be to take the clothing into a modeling program and make it fit V4. Then re-rig it in DS, use the original obj shape as an A4 morph, and I would guess that it should work with autofit then. But I could be completely wrong, or there may be a better way to fixt it. You might be able to save the "morphs" from the autofit version, send it to hex, fix it to fit your genesis figure, and import that as a morph. I've never tried it though. The few times I've needed to fix something using autofit to fit better I've just used the morph brush in DS, but they were all very simple fixes.
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Quote - > Quote - I've got to much respect for you DustRider to argue with you on this topic.
lol, well Manley i never thought i would see the day.
I really was starting to get a sense of deja vous reading through this thread.
Well I have to have some respect for you to argue with you, other wise I wouldn't care what your opinon was.
Well most of the time. There is soemone I have been arguing with for years I have no respect for, they just really rub me the wrong way.
The above picture is what autofit can do when it uses the A4 body shape.
And for the so called experts, this took me about 15 minutes start to finish using a simple tutorial found on the DAZ forum.
Now come argue with me somemore.
Quote - I am assuming you made your own clone using the A4 shape for Genesis. I tried that and had some success but feel I need to get it to match the original A4 closer. Hands and fingers need tweaking and neck needs to be longer.
Or use the A4 shape, for either Genesis or Genesis 2 with Transfer Utility, which is the same thing, without the need for creating a clone, as was pointed out when I did the conversion.
The point is not that it could be done (no one argued against that as I read it), the point is it shouldn't and probably won't ever be done by DAZ as proper A4 clothing should be rigged for V4 shape. This is non-standard rigged clothing (in the very minority), so there is no point to adjust the A4 clone from DAZ end. Adapting it would cause more confusion as cloth items that claim to be A4 clothes are in the vast majority rigged to V4 shape as standard - which is exactly why the A4 standard clone is aiming at V4. As others said, if you use non-standard clothing deal with it yourself, but don't ask DAZ to do it for you.
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I have most if not all of redvipers clothes for A4. I've tried repeatedly but they just wont fit genesis. I've tried to autofit to A4 and V4 but the waist is always tucked in to the body, is there a way to fix this?