Latex, I think primorge meant that he appreciates metal produced after 1990. Especially the shredded vocal cord type stuff. To each their own, paraphrasing "variety and such".

Also I think that there is some pretty good underground hip hop... It's the conformist commercial stuff that I don't like. It's ironic that an art form born out of oppression and improvisation has become the standard for conformist ideals in it's most visible incarnation. 

Yes, pardon, I realize I misread his wording in his post. Haven't had coffee yet. :)

Hey Primorge, nice no meet you, so that's what the Devil Porn Theatre artist looks like ;-)

Don't think your rant is going to go unchallenged just cause you're holding a chainsaw, though.  I can tell you that so far, ildjarn is the only Metal artist I plan to spend money on (actually, I should really say ildjarn and nidhogg in this case, cause nidhogg was involved with that track and album).  And right now, ildjarn remains the only Metal artist I would bother with, cause I still haven't come across another I'd bother with.

Doesn't matter how old you are, primorge, or even how much experience you have with Metal.  Your experience with it has subjected you to a heck of a lot more of it than I've seen, but what matters is whether the individual likes what they're listening to, and like I said, most of that Metal stuff is just far too commercial for me to like it.  I like nicely polished commercial music in other genres, but not in Metal.  If I wanted that, there's other genres I listen to on a regular basis that give me that in neverending amounts.

As for you calling ildjarn a nazi-moron-pussy, well, whatever.  I'd say he's quite the opposite, I can totally understand what ticks him off and why he hates what he hates.  I don't agree with everything the guy says, but I can relate to a lot of it, especially his take on life, that he mingles merely because he has to, just to get the money together so that he can eventually disappear and leave the "human" animals to fight amongst themselves  - he's spot on - that's what I'll be doing as well, just as I pointed out in that thread that time.

At first I was surprised to see your reaction to him, but at the end of the day, you're another part of the ratrace, you're there among "civilisation" (if you can call it that) - but that civilisation is costing you and at the same time, is very likely to deprive you of a stress-free life (and highly likely to end it prematurely).  Some people just have to get away from all that, from being constantly hounded and ordered around by corrupt authorities, they have to escape because they're not the sort of pussy that does what everyone else does and will not take orders when they know they're being shafted (I recall talking about that myself somewhere).  He's about as non-pussy as a man can get, I mean, what is it that pisses you off so much about his take on things?

If anything, you strike me as the sort of person who would generally relate to him.  BTW, you misunderstood, when I asked you to look at the images that pup-up for ildjarn, I was refering to the images that surround the search of ildjarn, not pictures of ildjarn himself.  I tell you what though, primorge, as that interview filled you with such a retaliatory response, I think it's just as well I couldn't find the PDF-based interview, cause I reckon you'd have been literally frothing at the mouth over that one!

I think you'd have a showed up with a lot bigger chainsaw, put it that way ;-)

@Frank
Just listened to the first of Otep that showed-up in the search, not overly bad but it's got a "Vevo" tag so it's automatically too commercial.  To be fair though, I'm not even sure whether you were posting that for me or as a recomendation for our friend, Mr Chainsaw ;-)

BTW, I forgot to say to primorge, don't forget to post an interview with Meshuggah so that we can compare and see who's really producing elevator music.  I'm not convinced by the tough-guy graphics and strange faces I saw from them on Google images - I'm convinced by a persons real views.  I think that's probably why you dug into ildjarn, maybe a Meshuggah interview might make them look a lot less than thier image suggests when compared to that of ildjarn.

Anyway, sorry about the post length again, seriously - WTF!

I think when this thread goes quiet I'll have to ask admin to temporarily disable my account and ask them to refuse to enable it for at least a year.  I have to do something cause I spend way too much time here and I've got stuff to do (ildjarn's not the only one preparing to get away from the ratrace).

BTW, in all fairness I think people really should stop using "Elevator Music" as a derogatory, cause to be perfecly honest, I like music that people often refer to as "elevator music" - it's usually Jazz-based, and that's something else I'm getting quite fond of lately.  Now that would be an interesting project, a Jazz-based Metal recording with an industrial atmosphere.

Just might try that and release it on cassette.

Ildjarn condones murdering priests and burning down churches in interviews? Not that I have any love (or hate for that matter) for Christianity, but when somebody publicly supports murder (and I don't mean in an artistic license sense) because of a difference in philosophy... that individual is a fascist kook.

You look up to this guy?

About the only things that I can agree with him about are his misanthropic views, certain identifications with aspects of Satanism ; non cruelty to animals, truth to self, individualism whenever possible, disdain for public self loathing. 

No, I don't "look up" to him, and like I said, I don't agree with everything the guy says, but I do understand why he hates what he hates, and why he wants out.
I think you jumped the gun a bit, I jump the gun alot myself, it's easy done.

And that stuff you do agree with him on, yes indeed.

The reason I brought up ildjarn is because I get sick of seeing mockery in everything, and Metal is the one genre of music I thought I'd finally be able to escape all the commercialism and political correctness bullshit.  The fact that you refer to him as a "fascist kook" is contradictory to what you said earlier when you said he's not a deviant.  Like I said, it's pretty clear to me that ildjarn is a deviant, and that's one of the things that fascinates me about him.  For the genre of Metal, I decided I want to hear what a real deviant produces, and that's what I get from ildjarn.  Unlike most of those bands, he's not a pussy posing as a hard nut, he's not even attempting to come off as a hard nut as far as I'm concerned.  This is why I asked you to compare the images surrounding him to those surrounding Meshuggah.  I asked for real deviants and you gave me Meshuggah, give me a break.  It took just one second on Google images to smell the commercialism - deviant my arse :-D

Posing as a hard nut is what you saw when you Googled Meshuggah, not when you Googled ildjarn - give the guy credit where it's due.
I'm not dismissing Meshuggah, I'm just saying they're not really what I'd call deviant.

So yes, the guy is a deviant, and I'm pleased to have come across his work, cause not only do I like his work, it's kinda cool to be able to relate to a lot of the stuff the artist talks about - it just adds to it somehow.  No, I don't care for everything the guy says, and if he ever met me he'd probably hate my guts as well, we'd probably tear each other to shreds, but it's rare to almost impossible to be able to listen to something that comes from the mind of a deviant (a real one) - but that's what I want from Metal - and that's what I get from ildjarn.

No dangerous axes at all in this one :

Finally got around to listening to the Merzbow Venereology album you posted, I quite like that!

Albums and musical forms such as that are interesting cause again, it seems highly unlikely that a person would listen to it, but if something is happening that captures your attention, even the strangest stuff can keep you listening.  It's not a million miles from that pummeling track of ildjarn's in that respect, there's something interersting hidden in the static.  With the ildjarn track it's a strange atmosphere where you never really know if somethings going to happen, and with the Merzbow album it's like something already has happened, and you're subjected to the aftermath.

... and thanks to all for the recommendations, music is a picky subject, and to be honest I'm surprised I came away from it finding even one recommendation I like, so it was worth me asking after all.  I've not seen a single thing posted that didn't feature talented musicians, and that says something about the genre.  in other genres, it's very easy to be confronted with a bunch of talentless idiots.

I'll have to pull out now cause I've got things to do, but I hope the rest of you keep it up, I'll still be watching.

@pumeco - Otep was an open invite to anyone reading :)  She's an interesting gal, author as well.

Was just listening to her "Blood Pigs" song, the style is not my thing but she has a surprising vocal.

Was just listening to her "Blood Pigs" song, the style is not my thing but she has a surprising vocal.

Took me a while to realise she does both sets of vocals - impressive set of growls