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PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 10:26 AM

I take it neither of you heared the news that I got elected then.

Dogcatcher or village idiot? And why would we care? Still laughing AT you, not with you.

Doric.

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


pumeco ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 10:26 AM · edited Mon, 25 May 2015 at 10:38 AM

@Doric
Nevermind all that, trying to be nice to me and shit, just because I got elected.

@Razor
Pumeco is not interested in what the previous have to say, because it is the previous that have us in this mess.  This is the future, and I won the election because unlike the previous clowns, I have my own grasp on things and the common sense to derive an accurate picture of the situation, and all without having to look at bullshit articles written by others.  I'll have the economy back on it's feet in less than six months, and to that effect, I would like to thank everyone who voted pumeco, we couldn't have done this without your support, and I won't let you down.

BREAKING NEWS - SHOCKWAVES CIRCULATE AMONG APPLE USERBASE AS THE PUMECO LAW OF AUTOMATION COMES INTO EFFECT

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Razor42 ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 10:43 AM

Really, I didn't even realize The monster raving loony party returned any MP's in the election. ;) comgratz then!



Razor42 ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 10:56 AM · edited Mon, 25 May 2015 at 10:58 AM

Lol, you really are quite delusional bro.

i think I recognise that sheep, its from the kiwi horror movie Black sheep.

Check out the preview here, im sure you will like it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0gEDUDmZkyc



DeathMetalDesk ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 11:41 AM

I take offense to the disparaging comments directed at four mop tops from England going on in this thread.


DeathMetalDesk ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 11:52 AM

And now a picture of a Sexy Goth Teen. Lol.

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DeathMetalDesk ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 11:54 AM

ooops, let me fix that 

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pumeco ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 12:06 PM

@Razor
Looks like an ok movie.  I just watched the first 20 minutes while eating, but had to stop it due to some stupid overdone vignette being added to it.

@DMD
If you're wanting to star in my indie, just say so, I'd still give you the part.


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 12:18 PM

Pummy, even if the BS you're throwing was anywhere near true, outside one small and insignificant country, anything you do means exactly nothing.  And if it's true, you have forever disqualified yourself from competing in the annual competition of the Burlington Liars Club. Not out of respect, but to keep professionals out of the competition, the competition is for amateurs.  No politicians are allowed.  The only "prize" is a certificate and a bronze plaque will be attached to the side of one of the local businesses here so other people can read them.  

But I don't believe you're a politician, or elected, or even know what the hell you're going whacko about.  And I'm a liberal, I don't accept it because I read something on the internet as being fact.  I want the source, the documentation, the facts behind any statements, and what you don't have, you can't furnish and won't miss.  Facts are inconvenient, aren't they?

Doric.

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 12:23 PM · edited Mon, 25 May 2015 at 12:23 PM

I take offense to the disparaging comments directed at four mop tops from England going on in this thread.

Only four? Are you forgetting the burnouts led by Sir Mick Jagger?  The list would be far too long if I tried to compile it. "Ain't that a shame,

"My tears fell like rain."

Pat Boone. 

Doric.

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


pumeco ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 12:41 PM

Gentlemen, your conversation makes for interesting reading, but do I sense a little displeasure for successful English things?


DeathMetalDesk ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 1:00 PM

XXX, didn't forget the stones... they're one of my favorite Gettin' Drunk in a Dive Bar juke bands. Well them, the Misfits, and early Thrash bands.


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 1:47 PM

Pummy, a successful english thing is a mg midget that runs 40 miles before it breaks down.  The prince of darkness at work, Lucas.  Headlight switch, "Off, Dim, Flicker."   Twin carbs, "two of a  bad thing".

DMD, The stones are where the word "stoner" comes from.  My taste is more toward Marion Anderson, Placido Domingo, Gershwin and Copeland.  But jagger?  What a joke.  The queen must have had a few nips too many when she agreed to that one.  Is there an order of knights of the joint?

Doric.

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


DeathMetalDesk ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 2:03 PM

Forget to mention Sabbath in that Last bit...

Gerswin's nice... to each their own shall be the whole of the law.

I'm a dopesmoker.

Yay I got my first Rendo warning notification (and my last)!

http://youtu.be/2-FjO3E8K-E


pumeco ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 2:30 PM · edited Mon, 25 May 2015 at 2:39 PM

@Doric
I was referring to me winning the election, I think you're jealous cause under pumeco rule, the British economy is thriving now that i have all the American companies sticking to my ecenomy-frendly Laws of Automation.  Most just left altogether because they relied entirely upon manipulation, and can therefore, no longer survive here.

I'm just saying.

As for the cars, I think you need to look into history and find out where almost all the great marques originated from, it was an island called England.  Of course, if I had been in power at the time, all those companies would still be British.  What can I say, I'll just have to get England back into a state of inventivness and envy of the world.  I'll have you Americans begging to accept cash in exchange for cars made by the new finest car brand in the world - MADE IN ENGLAND - a concept the previous political fuckers would know nothing about.

I run a happy ship, citizens are happy to do a good job because they get paid a good wage.  Boards have been removed from the windows of every closed-down shop, and are already on their way to refurbishment.  There's no longer any such thing as a Grocery Supermarket either, because I banned those too, and as a result, hundreds of thousands of smaller independent businesses and jobs have replaced them - so we don't miss those either.  When people buy Music, Movies, and Books in England, they always get something real for their money since I became gov and banned all the virtual stuff, so as you can imagine, we don't miss your American companies destroying the economy.

In addition to that, all the big electronics giants have decided to open factories here in England, because England is the only place under my control, and that means there's a market for physical electronics goods that have since been wiped out in every country in which your American fuck-corps operate.  Hi-Fi, Turntables, Cassette Decks, Tuners, SACD Players, Hi-Fi-furniture, Speakers, blank media, etc - all MADE IN ENGLAND.  This far superior stuff is back and here to stay.  The adult public have realised what dumbasses they were, and a whole new generation of teens are getting to understand the joys of going into Hi-Fi and record stores and coming home to a much more pleasurable entertainment experience than they had with Apple's pile of shit digital touchscreens and other privacy-invasive devices.  And did I mention that privacy invasion is illegal here to, just as it should be?

So tell me, hows America these days, considering your coutry is still awash with corrupt, economy-destroying corporations?


DeathMetalDesk ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 3:47 PM

Hey, Hey, Hey! Na Na Na gonna have a good time!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=au5cUpUT2ig


pumeco ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 4:20 PM · edited Mon, 25 May 2015 at 4:34 PM

My name is Mr Touchshriek of "Touchshriek Mail Order and Fantasy".  My shop sells eggshells off the seashores, and empty females.

I'm thinking of leasing the room above my shop, to a Mr Walloff Domburg (a reject from the world wide internet).  He is a broken man.  I am also a broken man.  It would be nice to have company.  We could have great conversations, looking through windows for demons and watching the young advancing all electric.  Some of the houses around here still have inhabitants in them.  I'm not sure if they're from this country, or not.  I don't get to speak much to anyone or that sort of thing.

... If I had another broken man ... oh I dream of something like that!

A killer Vinyl (literally) ...


Razor42 ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 9:36 PM · edited Mon, 25 May 2015 at 9:50 PM

@Razor
Looks like an ok movie.  I just watched the first 20 minutes while eating, but had to stop it due to some stupid overdone vignette being added to it.

Wow, you managed to track down a copy of the DVD that fast. Because I know you would never undermine the NZ economy by just watching a digital copy, as you have such strong views on the matter... Plus wouldn't Youtube be just as guilty as Apple at stripping revenue, shouldn't youtube come under your "Law of Automation"?

How much would watching this add to the UK economy? Considering that Sony and Michael Jackson own the rights, well at least to 2018 anyways.



RorrKonn ( ) posted Mon, 25 May 2015 at 11:07 PM

 

Razor42 LMAO one thing that amazeses me about humans is .there perceive any thing other then the truth.

sheep are lead cause they don't know any better.

humans are lead cause there follow who ever for what ever. govs ,religion ,drugs etc etc.

humans will follow who ever leads them and ever single time "history proves this" they are lead to ruins...

 

if ya listen real close ya can hear the sheep laughing at us.

 

 

 

 

 

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The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 12:27 AM

Umm, Pummelhead, I wasn't just picking a car out of the air.  I own an mg midget, otherwise known as the garage ornament.  Electrical system, typical Lucas, you know, the prince of darkness.  At least the previous owner had the sense to eliminate the dual carbs, but that still doesn't do that oversize go kart much improvement.  Typical for cars from the UK, second gear doesn't work, gearing seems to be something that eludes your engineers.  Oh, yeah, it's a 1979, read up on it, they weren't made after that.  The top has the two holes that are characteristic of MG convertible tops, because someone neglected to see if there was enough clearance for the top to fold down without wearing through.  Top gear, full out, 78 mph or the rods come out of the engine, that's red lined.  Cure for that seems to be a five speed Ford transmission, which also cures the typically problematic gearing inherent to brittish cars.  I've already decided the car isn't worth it.  It's a cute little ornament, but that's all it's ever been, why try to change it?

Doric. (Still laughing at you, not with you.)

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


RorrKonn ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 12:33 AM

 

ScareCrows quote So tell me, hows America these days, considering your coutry is still awash with corrupt, economy-destroying corporations?

 

the stock market is world wide.

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The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 12:59 AM

"So tell me, hows America these days, considering your coutry is still awash with corrupt, economy-destroying corporations?"

Considering most of the idiots running these corporations are from other countries, quite well, thank you.  And please note, I didn't correct your spelling.  But, How are things in Brittish Petroleum? 

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:05 AM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:09 AM

Razor Wrote:
"Wow, you managed to track down a copy of the DVD that fast. Because I know you would never undermine the NZ economy by just watching a digital copy, as you have such strong views on the matter...

Plus wouldn't Youtube be just as guilty as Apple at stripping revenue, shouldn't youtube come under your "Law of Automation"?"

Well put it this way:

  • When you buy a car, you test drive it before laying down the cash, and you can test drive a hundred if you like, but you'll only buy the one.
  • You can listen to a hundred songs a day on the radio, but you won't buy any of them unless you like them.
  • I've watched thousands of movies, but I have only a few hundred in my collection (if that).

To that end, as with every film I own, I'll buy it only if I like it.  And if I don't like it enough to buy it, it won't make any difference to NZ's economy, cause I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.  This is a concept all those SOPA and PIPA fucks want you to be unaware of.  It's called choice, and having the right to see (and hear) what you're buying before you do so.  YouTube is permitted to operate here, but with a few changes in place.  Advertising is legal of course, and as long as they stick to the Law of Automation (that virtual media cannot be charged for) - I will allow them to operate.  They have been warned, however, that they will be banned from operating here if they accept payment for any form of virtual media (payment from an account based in England).

YouTube have been advised to hold stock of virtual media, so that if they wish to monetise on the actual movies etc, they can do so by offering to deliver a physical copy to the customer.  They are permitted to charge providing the deal includes a physical copy.  This ensures they contribute to the economy instead of aiding it's destruction.

RorrKonn Wrote:
"the stock market is world wide."

Not anymore it isn't ;-)

Doric Wrote:
"I wasn't just picking a car out of the air.  I own an mg midget, otherwise known as the garage ornament ...
... It's a cute little ornament, but that's all it's ever been, why try to change it?"

Why indeed, when even our small cars have such character, and personally, I think you got distracted by the retro babes featured in the ads back then!
Can't say I blame you ...

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Razor42 ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:20 AM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:23 AM

Youtube do sell virtual media they just sell it to advertiser not end users. Technical detail if anything. 

So your stance is pro piracy just against financial transactions for virtual media?

Won't that just mean that everyone will just "try" everything for free rather than buying anything solid or virtual?



pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:58 AM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:00 AM

The whole idea is to make virtual media worthless, not just to the consumer, but the companies too.  I kill two birds with one stone, cause in England there is no longer such a thing as putting a pirated video on YouTube.  You can't be prosecuted for such a thing becuse under the Law of Automation, virtual products are only worth what they're actually worth - that being zero.  If you were to pirate a physical copy, and start distributing those, that is a crime and you would be prosecuted for it.

Under the Law of Automation, virtual media has no value, only physical media does (just as it should be).  I'm not in the least bit interested in how this will effect YouTube's profit, I'm here for the people's benefit and the benefit of our economy, not the benefit of monstrous American mega-corps.

You're like children searching for treasure, while not being old enough to understand the difference between "treasure" and "monster".
But once upon a long ago, children searched for treasure!


pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:07 AM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:08 AM

... and that remninds me, just remember who make the best recording consoles in the world as well :-D


Razor42 ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:10 AM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:12 AM

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Well thats totally counter to what we have already in place *(or sorry what the UK had) technically a DVD has no value, you're paying for a usage license which is transferable via first right of sale. ie you can sell a DVD if you want to when you finish with it. If you buy a DVD,CD or a book, you are technically paying for a virtual licence not a tangible good in the traditional sense of the word. Even if its on a solid medium.

I would love to hear how this concept of virtual media has no value will apply to things like a book I wrote on my computer, Digital photographs, 3D media, Intellectual property, patents. All of these things exist virtually not via a physical body.

I may not be able to tell treasure from monster, but I sure can tell shit from clay... :)



pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 6:03 AM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 6:08 AM

Again, your books and whatever will have value providing you abide by the Law of Automation.

In a nutshell, you will get no protection for using virtual media because there is no reason you could not have released that book in physical form.

The Law of Automation allows for virtual media, it just doesn't allow virtual products to be chargeable, this is why the likes of Apple can no longer do what they used to do, and this is why we have hundreds of thousands of new bookstores, video shops, and record stores.  If you want to release your book in virtual form, by all means do so, but if you charge for it in virtual form, you will be prosecuted.  The reason you will be prosecuted is because releasing the product in virtual form means that you avoided paying for physical book manufacture, a printer, a distributor, etc, and therefore avoided a fair contibution to the economy.

The little money it cost you went to Apple, and none of it went to our economy.

By following the Law of Automation, it's not only our economy that is protected, but your own income as well.  You would earn more from your physical product than you would from a virtual one, for two reasons:

1 - I will prosecute you for selling a virtual copy.
2 - If you're not wanting an income from it, you were free all along to offer it for free in virtual form.

You are free to do pretty much whatever you like with virtual products, as long as there is no charge for it.  If you want to make money, then as a citizen of England you would be forced into the real world of tangible goods that have real value.  Corrupt mega-corps from America are no longer sapping-up the economy over here, and that's the way it's going to stay.

Any more questions from the press?
I'll be in the chip shop if you need me, I could murder a Fish and Chips right now :-)


shvrdavid ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 6:42 AM

Ironically MG is now owned by the Chinese..... Jag is owned by TaTa Motors of India... Austin Martin is owned by two companies in Kuwait... Lotus is owned by a company in Malaysia.... Ford pulled out of England accept for drive train production. I cant think of a single car company in England that is owned by anyone in England...

Meanwhile in the States, we have lots of car companies that are owned by people here.....

We also make some of the fastest and quickest cars in the world. SSC Ultimate Aero



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pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 7:15 AM

Ah man, don't say they sold Lotus as well ... I mean FFS ... I thought that was the one remaining brand they hadn't sold-off yet :-(
That's a bummer that is, I love Lotus cars, but nevermind, Bond, I'm working on a new brand as we speak, one that won't be sold-off to foreign investors!

"I say Bond, old chap, who stuck that Malaysian flag on the back of our British sports car?"

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RorrKonn ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 9:34 AM

I like the 2015 Camaro Z/28 ,Corvette Z06 .

 

============================================================ 

The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance


shvrdavid ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 11:16 AM

Ah man, don't say they sold Lotus as well ... I mean FFS ... I thought that was the one remaining brand they hadn't sold-off yet :-(
That's a bummer that is, I love Lotus cars, but nevermind, Bond, I'm working on a new brand as we speak, one that won't be sold-off to foreign investors!

"I say Bond, old chap, who stuck that Malaysian flag on the back of our British sports car?"

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Lotus was sold to GM in the early 80's, then to Proton in the 90's. You can thank DeLorean for that.... There were a few stops in between ownership wise.



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pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 1:48 PM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 1:49 PM

Cheers David, never knew that, Interesting stuff.  I even looked it up after you told me that.

Just been reading the Wiki and it's not as bad as it sounds, it's still British in essence, and is still headquartered in Norfolk, England, and is made here.
Where all the money comes from, that's just a technicality cause it's 'Lotus' that makes a Lotus a Lotus, not money - although money helps it happen :-P

But yup, according to the Wiki, even you Americans have a piece of Lotus now, and I think that is rather naughty of you and you should stick to your own cars instead of trying to get at our performance-handling secrets, you dirty spies!


pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 2:05 PM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 2:14 PM

That said, it's really only the Lotus Esprit I like (all years), and a few others, but I don't like those new models with the soft curves.
I prefer sharp edges and lines:


shvrdavid ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 3:07 PM

You should drive one of the newer ones, puts new meaning to a go cart with a license plate....

The Esprit's were dogs in comparison.



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pumeco ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:10 PM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 4:10 PM

David, I've never even driven an Esprit.

Given the choice though, I'd still rather have the Esprit no matter how much faster the newer ones are.  I just don't like those soft-edge designs at all, in fact there are very few cars I like that have soft edges.  I prefer the design of the Esprit both inside and out, no comparison, it looks like a sleek little rocket shooting down the road.


shvrdavid ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:01 PM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 5:02 PM


This might interest you pumeco.

Ford, Cosworth, and Lotus teamed up to build the most successful F1 engine of all time. It got a ruff start, but paved the way for massive power out of a small package.



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AmbientShade ( ) posted Tue, 26 May 2015 at 7:56 PM · edited Tue, 26 May 2015 at 8:01 PM

Again, your books and whatever will have value providing you abide by the Law of Automation.

In a nutshell, you will get no protection for using virtual media because there is no reason you could not have released that book in physical form.

The Law of Automation allows for virtual media, it just doesn't allow virtual products to be chargeable, this is why the likes of Apple can no longer do what they used to do, and this is why we have hundreds of thousands of new bookstores, video shops, and record stores.  If you want to release your book in virtual form, by all means do so, but if you charge for it in virtual form, you will be prosecuted.  The reason you will be prosecuted is because releasing the product in virtual form means that you avoided paying for physical book manufacture, a printer, a distributor, etc, and therefore avoided a fair contibution to the economy.

The little money it cost you went to Apple, and none of it went to our economy.

By following the Law of Automation, it's not only our economy that is protected, but your own income as well.  You would earn more from your physical product than you would from a virtual one, for two reasons:

1 - I will prosecute you for selling a virtual copy.
2 - If you're not wanting an income from it, you were free all along to offer it for free in virtual form.

You are free to do pretty much whatever you like with virtual products, as long as there is no charge for it.  If you want to make money, then as a citizen of England you would be forced into the real world of tangible goods that have real value.  Corrupt mega-corps from America are no longer sapping-up the economy over here, and that's the way it's going to stay.

Any more questions from the press?
I'll be in the chip shop if you need me, I could murder a Fish and Chips right now :-)

You are promoting a totalitarian system, making you no better than the giant corporations you claim to be so against. Do you have any idea the cost of actually printing a book and how few authors ever get the chance to do so? Digital publishing has opened the door to thousands of authors to publish their work whereas before their books had to go through the process of getting lucky enough to find an agent who saw enough $$ signs in their manuscript to want to take the chance at publishing it. Vanity publishers are not cheap and still limit publication to those who can afford it. Amazon has freed the indie author from the shackles and bonds that were once only held by giant publishers, and now the publishers are feeling the heat and losing their asses, because now they know they are no longer needed. And the same is true for indie musicians and artists. By your logic, none of the vendors here would be making any money and many of them would be relegated to working at mcdonalds for minimum wage if they were not allowed to earn a living by creating content. That sort of logic disgusts me. The money earned from selling digital content is what goes back into the economy. And the artist receives the majority of the money earned from the sale of their creation, unlike your method, where the giant publisher is the one cashing all the checks.



pumeco ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 3:52 AM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 4:01 AM

@David
Cheers, that was a nice little film :-)

@Shane
Indies have no problem funding anything in England since my rule, I'm an Indie myself.

There is nothing totalitarian about the system I have in place, and no one but the corrupt are complaining about it.  The new system settled in even quicker than expected, and we have a functioning economy.  For the Indie wanting to produce books, they have the same freedom they always had and always will have, they have the freedom to give it away or to set whatever price they wish for their work.  The only freedom they do not have is the freedom to make economy-destroying decisions, and I intend to make sure it stays that way.

It goes without saying, that to publish an Indie Book for free would cost nothing, you can give it away in virtual form if that's what you wish to do, I'm not here do dictate freedoms, I'm here to ensure a successful economy and that everyone can afford an acceptable quality of life.  There are no homeless in England, and internet access is provided free of charge.  To that end, every Indie that is wanting to sell a physical book, is able to do so.  Since the Law of Automation has come into effect, a whole new stream of businesses have come about, it's not just the usual industries that have been given a new lease of life.

The Indie in England has everything they could possibly wish for.  They simply write their book and then choose, from thousands of businesses, which one they would like to use to manufacture their "print-on-demand" book.  The Indie is a self-publisher, and nothing can stop them, they don't need any money up-front, they simply produce "on demand". 

Citizens need to be taught that corrupt mega-corps aren't there for their benefit, as was proven without question with Apple's illegal price-fixing attempt on e-books.  Economy-destroying scum like that simply cannot operate here since I came into power.  I've made it impossible for them to do so because what they relied upon (convenient manupilation made possible by the digital platform) has absolutely no worth over here.  The job of any leader is to protect the citizens and the economy, not screw them over, and as such, those monstrous American mega-corps have no place here.

So, while pumeco advocates a freedom-loving healthy economy, you advocate a failing economy permitting DRM and totalitarianism:

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pumeco ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 3:59 AM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 4:09 AM

Awesome little video this one, they even have virtual whips now :-D
This is the finest most relevant Apple parody made so far :


AmbientShade ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 8:41 AM

Not allowing people to make money on digital content is dictating freedoms.

Who's going to pay for that book to be published? Or the cd or record?

Where are the resources going to come from?

How does a game content artist make their living?

Or a blog writer.

Or a software engineer.

Or a web developer.



pumeco ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 10:37 AM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 10:42 AM

Shane Wrote:
"Not allowing people to make money on digital content is dictating freedoms."

  • Controlling what people can and cannot transfer to and from an Apple device, is dictating freedoms.
  • Telling people they cannot sell something they paid for with thier own money, is dictating freedoms.
  • Putting laws in place to protect this scum, is dictating freedoms.

Shane Wrote:
"Who's going to pay for that book to be published? Or the cd or record?"

The person who plans to make money on their book, CD, or Record, obviously.
The mentality people have of thinking the world owes them something for nothing, is a major part of the problem.

Shane Wrote:
"Where are the resources going to come from?"

Because we have a functioning economy, we have more resources here than you can shake a stick at, you'd be spoilt for choice ;-)

Shane Wrote:
"Or a blog writer."

What makes you think a blog writer would be effected?  All a blog writer does is write blogs, and there is nothing in the Law of Automation that says a person cannot use a digital service.  The blogger can continue to blog to their hearts content.  As long as they don't sell access to their blog (which is vitual), they won't be prosecuted.  If the blogger wishes to make money (and this is encouraged) there is nothing stopping them using their own blog to promote their own pysically available books or whatever their interests are.  Every physical book they get manufactured, contributes to our economy - and that's what I'm promoting.  Only the authour and every business involved in making the physical product happen, will gain something from it - and that's the way it should be - and that's all you should expect - the world owes you nothing.

Shane Wrote:
"Or a software engineer.
Or a web developer."

As was pointed out, the Law of Automation allows for things that would otherwise be impossible.  A software developer can advertise their software on their website.  They can offer demos or complete software products for free, there is no restriction on freedom.  What they cannot do is charge for it without also dispatching a physical copy that can be resold at the owners choice.  And before you ask, yes, software licences that restrict transfer are illegal here, and any copy protection must not hold the purchaser for ransom.  If they cannot use what they purchased without having to surrender private data to the publisher, the product is illegal and cannot be sold to a citizen of England.  There is nothing you can spend your money on that you cannot sell if you wanted to, that's how it should be and that's how it's going to reman.  Doesn't matter whether it's a product or a licenced product - it's totally irrelevant.  If you pay for something, it's yours and you are entitled to sell it if you wish to do so without the publisher having any contol over stopping the act or crippling the use of it.  Software publishers that have a problem with this simple premise, are advised to find an alternaticve form of business, one they will be happy with.

Web development is like a service or job and can be treated as such.  You can get paid for developing for the web, no problem, but you can't get paid for using what was developed, to break the Law of Automation by selling virtual products.  In my eyes, automation is the biggest killer to any economy, and non-tangible goods made possible by the digital platform, only serve to amplify the situation to unsustainable levels.

In a nutshell, that's what you have right now, and it's the result of that you're having to live with.


AmbientShade ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 10:52 AM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 10:55 AM

You have zero concept of what freedom actually is.

You also have zero concept of the publishing industry. Requiring an author to pay to have their works published in physical format is locking that author's work behind a pay wall. When the format required for him to publish his work and sell it on his own is completely free, thanks to modern technology, and only requires him to have access to the internet long enough to publish his work. In your world, a financially broke author doesn't meet the necessary qualifications to have a shot at publishing his work, and thus doesn't deserve to make a living from it. For some reason you are incapable of seeing the value of that technology and the freedom it's provided to hundreds of millions of artists and creators all over the world, simply because you don't like it, you want to prevent others from benefiting from it. That's the mind of a dictator.

And I find it convenient how you specifically ignored the question of "How does a game content artist (such as the ones whose work keep this forum running) make their living?"



pumeco ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 11:21 AM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 11:22 AM

WTF, I didn't conveniently miss-out the question about game developers, I accidentally missed it out as I was copy/pasting, that's all!
Gotta eat now (and watch some more of that Black Sheep film while I do), but I'll be back later with an answer to your latest question :-D

Please be advised, Mr Shane, that pumeco takes all suspicions of dictatorship very seriously, and will do everything he can to put your mind at rest in his upcoming post.


Male_M3dia ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 11:26 AM

You have zero concept of what freedom actually is.

You also have zero concept of the publishing industry. Requiring an author to pay to have their works published in physical format is locking that author's work behind a pay wall. When the format required for him to publish his work and sell it on his own is completely free, thanks to modern technology, and only requires him to have access to the internet long enough to publish his work. In your world, a financially broke author doesn't meet the necessary qualifications to have a shot at publishing his work, and thus doesn't deserve to make a living from it. For some reason you are incapable of seeing the value of that technology and the freedom it's provided to hundreds of millions of artists and creators all over the world, simply because you don't like it, you want to prevent others from benefiting from it. That's the mind of a dictator.

And I find it convenient how you specifically ignored the question of "How does a game content artist (such as the ones whose work keep this forum running) make their living?"

Totally agree. Pumeco, do you realize how many digital albums and songs I and others have bought from independent artists from indie and their own websites because they have been shut out of physical formats and the entertainment industry? Also you realize those formats are a way for these artists to get their music out there when there is no other venue for the physical content? Also you realize the mark up on if I wanted to get a CD from an artist in another country versus getting the digital version? Also I've not seen these restrictions on content where I've loaded my own content stripped from my CDs and loaded on an ipod, or old tv episodes I've ripped from DVDs to watch on planes. If there is any restrictions, they come from the movie and TV industry themselves, the digital format was a way for these artists to get around that. Pumeco, I'm not sure what interweb links you're using for your information, but it sounds  like you need to delete those links because they're making you look bad regurgitating that information.


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 11:42 AM

Pummelhead, for someone who's country nearly ended up flying a different flag, you sure seem to hate those corporations that kept it from happening.  Especially after I've seen some of the Brit measuring "instruments", or as I call them, "Look like instruments."  Test indicator, total travel or range, plus or minus .010 inch, accuracy, 10%.  One thousandth error in ten thousandths travel.  Very precise.  At least by Brit standards.  Want a few thousand more facts?  I'm perfectly happy to destroy Brit pride.

And your delusional rantings, stay away from the Guiness.  Try coffee for breakfast, maybe ham and eggs with it.  You might find it's not the world wobbling as you try to walk.

Doric. 

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 11:44 AM

Please be advised, Mr Shane, that pumeco takes all suspicions of dictatorship very seriously, and will do everything he can to put your mind at rest in his upcoming post.

We have had a king or queen here for more than a few years, Pummy.  You still have them.  You lost that war, get over it. Doric.

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 12:02 PM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 12:09 PM

"The mentality people have of thinking the world owes them something for nothing, is a major part of the problem."

Which means you're going to pay back the debt from WWII when?

"Because we have a functioning economy, we have more resources here than you can shake a stick at, you'd be spoilt for choice"

Which is why the  UK has the biggest merchant fleet in the world, importing everything.  For a country that's not much bigger than our Mesabe iron range, you talk pretty good.  Just nothing behind it to back it up or even review what you wrote.

"There is nothing you can spend your money on that you cannot sell if you wanted to, that's how it should be and that's how it's going to reman. Doesn't matter whether it's a product or a licenced product - it's totally irrelevant."

Fine. Advertise your copy of Poser and see what that gets you.  Left your spelling error intact again.  Deliberately.  See if you can find it.

" In my eyes, automation is the biggest killer to any economy," 

Let me know when you've grown your first CPU chip.  Inquiring minds want to know.

Doric.

(Previous posting, change "have" to "haven't."  Must be a Brit keyboard I have.  Works like a Brit car.)

The "I" in Doric is Silent.

 


Khai-J-Bach ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 12:07 PM

Pummelhead, for someone who's country nearly ended up flying a different flag, you sure seem to hate those corporations that kept it from happening.  Especially after I've seen some of the Brit measuring "instruments", or as I call them, "Look like instruments."  Test indicator, total travel or range, plus or minus .010 inch, accuracy, 10%.  One thousandth error in ten thousandths travel.  Very precise.  At least by Brit standards.  Want a few thousand more facts?  I'm perfectly happy to destroy Brit pride.

And your delusional rantings, stay away from the Guiness.  Try coffee for breakfast, maybe ham and eggs with it.  You might find it's not the world wobbling as you try to walk.

Doric. 

oi! can you attack HIM not the rest of us Brits that are totally blameless? we are not like him you know. and hang on. aint these attacks against the TOS in the first place? is it now open season ?



AmbientShade ( ) posted Wed, 27 May 2015 at 12:10 PM · edited Wed, 27 May 2015 at 12:24 PM

Totally agree. Pumeco, do you realize how many digital albums and songs I and others have bought from independent artists from indie and their own websites because they have been shut out of physical formats and the entertainment industry? Also you realize those formats are a way for these artists to get their music out there when there is no other venue for the physical content? Also you realize the mark up on if I wanted to get a CD from an artist in another country versus getting the digital version? Also I've not seen these restrictions on content where I've loaded my own content stripped from my CDs and loaded on an ipod, or old tv episodes I've ripped from DVDs to watch on planes. If there is any restrictions, they come from the movie and TV industry themselves, the digital format was a way for these artists to get around that. Pumeco, I'm not sure what interweb links you're using for your information, but it sounds  like you need to delete those links because they're making you look bad regurgitating that information.

I personally know several indie musicians who only sell their music on their own and avoid publishers. And were it not for the internet and digital formats, it simply wouldn't be possible. Even if they were able to afford the cost of producing physical copies on their own, they wouldn't have the means to distribute those copies on such a wide scale without a middle-man publisher, who will take most of the profit for themselves, which is why these indie artists choose to go it on their own to begin with, and choose to sell digital instead of physical, in order to keep their own costs down and receive a higher percentage of each sale. They're also not bound by contracts and they aren't being required to record the next manufactured top 40's crap just to keep their contracts or rights to their own work. They're able to produce the music they want to produce. If you really want to support a musician, especially those who are bound by corporate contracts - the best way is to buy tickets to their shows, because just buying their albums puts very little if any money in their pocket directly. Most of the cost of that record or cd or tape goes to the publisher, not the artist. Unless the artist is also his own publisher. And authors are the same. They're able to write the stories they want to write, instead of the story their agent or publisher tells them they have to write, or modify it because it's not what that publisher thinks will sell, or they think it's too graphic, too taboo, etc. Digital publishing frees them from all of that, and they don't get ripped off paying some vanity press tens of thousands of dollars for paper books that will just sit in their garage for the next 20 years growing insects and mold. And it saves resources - which this planet is quickly running out of as the population increases. Digital books do not require deforestation. Digital music doesn't pollute our water or kill or displace wild life populations. Unlike paper and plastic, kilobytes are not a finite resource. 



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