Howdy again folks.  I'm sure that this has been covered before, but is there a chart somewhere that equates dial settings to brasier cup sizes?  Odd question, I know, since an expanding number of artists seem to be going with twin hams strapped to the chest of a waif, but I was wondering if there were a chart that is more realistic.  No disrespect to the Ham folks, those are good images as well, just curious about getting my proportions correct.

"Back in the day" I was taught that 36-24-36 were correct proportions and a full C cup was correct, at least as far as "the perfect woman" was concerned.  What in the world are the dials for such a thing?

Using G2 and DAZS 4.8 64 bit.

Tony O'seland

The "36-24-36" reference was the archetype about 50 years ago.

Women today are more concerned with proportion than absolute size.
Absolute measurement is only critical if you are cutting a dress pattern.

There is also more "ideals" than 60 years ago in Jane Russell/Marilyn Monroe era.

There are accepted forms that vary widely by type, e.g., "Super Model", "Miss America", and "Athletic" (like Hope Solo).

Women do not wish to be categorized any longer.  That is why Romney's "folder of women" caused such uproar.

You should use photo references and make desirable proportions.

Genesis series lends itself to this nicely, with many morphs available and extra bones (pectoral)

 Have to go along with part on absolute measurement.
DAZ introduced a product called "Measure Metrics" and for a while every character product page featured the "Big 3" Measurements plus height.
I just checked, and that info seems to have been removed for some reason or another.

I've never used this product, but it is sold here, and it sounds like what you are looking for.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/universal-sizing-apparatus-woman/100084/

I've never used this product, but it is sold here, and it sounds like what you are looking for.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/universal-sizing-apparatus-woman/100084/

I fail to see the wisdom in recommending a product that you have never used.
Especially when it has so many negative reviews on it's product page. It doesn't seem to work that well in DS and there is no mention of it supporting any figure except V4.

I didn't recommend it, I just pointed out it existed.  I figured he could make his own mind up about whether it suited his needs or not.  So what's the problem?

I must be missing something, I can only see 9 reviews, 7 of which have 5 stars, One four and one 3.  Where is all the negativity?

Ok, aside from being lectured about the apparent lack of political correctness in my question and concept, and the attempt to focus my attention on the currently "accepted norms," and having raised four daughters and working with five granddaughters, I am going to assume (oooohhh, there's another not politically correct term!) that the answer is no, no one has such a chart or reference piece.  And yes, I understand about the whole bulimia/self image/body control issue.

Yes, I'm old enough that Mansfield too much and Monroe was more pleasing to my eye.

And, out of curiosity, how did my thread and question get hijacked and turned into a flame war on a piece of commercials software?    Oh, and the software seems to be exactly what I was wondering about, so thanks for the tip on it.

I have Measure Metrics, but have never been terribly successful using it. I doubt if that is the fault of the program though - I think you have to register, and I probably forgot, and I am hopeless at reading instructions - not to mention actually working at making the program do what I want. I don't think it was a lot of money, so if it helps, try it - perhaps even ask the merchant. I'm pretty sure that cup size was not a parameter, though. But despite being intensely interested in female anatomy and underwear since childhood, I can't in all honestly say I have ever truly understood the arcane mysteries of women's bra sizes (and I suspect a lot of women don't either - no offence intended).

I am old enough to recall the 36-24-36 norm, like you, although it never really appealed to me.The Venus de Milo is said to be 51, 38, 47, which would be about 32, 24, 30, so nothing like 36, 24, 36 - not that the hips can be other than an estimate. Even so, she is one of the classical beauties, although I always preferred the Nike of Samothrace, whose vital statistics do not seem to have been measured.....

I certainly dislike the overblown features that are so prevalent in the world of 3D models and imagery - women are rarely like them. Massive mammalian attributes are anathema.to me, and I so wish that more natural lips were available as the norm - I find it difficult to impossible to get lips that do not look as if they are pouty. A recently-issued figure has what in the UK are described as trout lips. I will not be buying that figure, because the lips are taken to absurd (and I think ugly) proportions.

But we all have different tastes, so who am I to point a finger, let alone many? 

Ok, aside from being lectured about the apparent lack of political correctness in my question and concept, and the attempt to focus my attention on the currently "accepted norms," and having raised four daughters and working with five granddaughters, I am going to assume (oooohhh, there's another not politically correct term!) that the answer is no, no one has such a chart or reference piece.  And yes, I understand about the whole bulimia/self image/body control issue.

Yes, I'm old enough that Mansfield too much and Monroe was more pleasing to my eye.

And, out of curiosity, how did my thread and question get hijacked and turned into a flame war on a piece of commercials software?    Oh, and the software seems to be exactly what I was wondering about, so thanks for the tip on it.

Sorry if you thought I was turning the thread into a flame war, I just thought it was unfair for a reference to be made on negative reviews on the product, of any product for that matter, when that seems to be far from the truth. I have the product in question and it works quite well getting the right proportions for figure sizing but from what I could see it does not meet your requirement.

As to being politically correct, I have no problem with your original request but we appear to be from the same sort of generation.

Measure Metrics with the included Figure Metrics script appears to be what you are looking for. There is documentation to help you get the most from it. 

Cup size is a relative measurement.  I believe it is determined by the difference in the measurement around the chest just bellow the breast and the measurement around the chest across the nipples.  But I'm a guy so what do I know.  When it comes to CGI ladies just use your best guess.

Cup size is indeed a relative measurement and it is those two measurements. :) 

having worked for VS for a number of years, breast sizing is kinda in my wheelhouse as well as having a pair to call my own...

as stated above, breasts are measured around the ribcage/underneath the breasts themselves.  this determines "band" size for a bra.  measuring around the fullest part of the breast determines cup size.  for example:  if you measure as a 34" band, and the fullest part of the boobage measures 38", the difference is 4" which roughly equates to a "D" cup. 

in essence, for each inch larger of the fullest part to ribcage, you increase cup size.  1" more = A cup, 2" more = B cup, etc.

most women fall into the B or C cup range - 2 to 3 inches larger around full breast than ribcage measurements.

also, take into account the age of your model if you are doing nudes, as that will also determine shape as well as proportion outside of simple measurements.

Thanks, Gina.  The explanation you give is exactly what I was looking for to part of my query.  See?  If Women told Men this basic information it would make life a little easier to buy gifts and clothes for your Beloved!  But for some reason, the world assumes we don't need to know these things, or else we're being "creepy."

happy to help.

i should've added the following as well:

though not 100%, a fairly large percentage of women fall in line with breast size being proportional to body fat percentage since, apart from mammary glands, breasts are essentially just that - fat.  thus the thinner your model is the smaller her breasts might be as well... think runway model waif types and that is if we're only talking natural breasts without any alterations.  just like body female body builders who are relatively flat-chested due to the fact that they're low on body fat as well as having built up their pectoral muscles.

again, that is not to say that thin women can't be carrying an unenhanced C or D cup, as it does happen - a thin female can have a 22-25% body fat content which is still on a bit lower sides of things, but the fat distribution is relative to her overall frame. 

just fyi, i think the average healthy body fat percentage for females is around 25%, though that's a number i'm recalling from many years ago, and that might have changed given the society we're in now...