No offence taken, they are both issues that I need to address exaggerated by the fact that the changes to the forum seem to want to assign my image to a full page.

Please tell me that you didn't blow $30 on that texture pack!

What's wrong with it? I like it..

ghostship2 - Quote

"Please tell me that you didn't blow $30 on that texture pack!"

Strange request but OK I won't tell you, but clearly I did, one way or another. Each to their own but my skill set is far more limited than my budget and I am having fun playing with the character. As far as I am concerned, once you have the basics, money has no value unless you spend on something that gives you pleasure and we all get our pleasures in different ways.

Mind you, if you want to create a better texture pack, along the same lines, for free or a similar price I am interested. Sadly there are not too many mature characters in the Poser world for V4 let alone for Dawn.

Nothing wrong with the texture but that is the most I've ever seen one go for on Rendo. I bought Texture Transformer when it was on sale for $30 and just convert V4 maps that I have already. It's a pain to use but it does a decent job.

@ghostship2

I have to admit I did bulk at the price and compared with others it is also expensive. Then I thought about it a little, or I may have just been justifying the price to myself, but, for a start, this is for Dawn and I doubt it will sell in the numbers if it had been produced for V4 or Genesis. I like to think that it would but I don't think we are at that point with Dawn.

Secondly I want to use my Dawn character alongside my V4 characters this gave me a problem in that I only have two mature looking textures, one mid age one old, for V4 so I could convert them but then both my V4 and Dawn character would have the same texture. As the mature textures have some defined skin characteristics I was of the impression it would be very apparent that the textures were the same.

There was also a community aspect to the purchase as well, in the sense that I don't think $29.99 is really a fair reflection of the work that has been put into something like this it is just we have become used to some very low prices. Lastly I really wanted to support a vendor that had stepped out of the norm to support a non V4/Genesis figure.

All of that does not detract from what you have stated, it is expensive, but it does, I hope, explain to some degree my reasons for buying.

I definitely have to agree that 30 is not too much to ask for everything that 3Dream puts into his resources and the quality that you get. I have purchased several of his texture resources for characters and I have never felt like I spent too much for the amount of use that I get out of them.

Well I am pleased I purchased the texture set and I think I am getting much closer to my goal. This is my WIP as of now, rendered in Poser 2014 and the only post work is the added dark background.

"I'm a little baffled by the limits imposed on dial twists. even cranking up a limit in the editor does nothing for a particular morph (nails length for example.) Also, they seem to have modeled in the geometry for nipples but then no morphs??????? I'll have to buy a morph pack now for nipples? I still think she looks great and I'm gonna start using her finally."

http://www.sharecg.com/v/71101/view/11/Poser/Nipple-Morph-for-Dawn-Poser-DS4

First morph I did for Dawn :D

Bill

Hey Bill.
Thanks for the link. :)

I don't claim to know everything. It's just that things that have made sense with previous figures aren't working on this one. I don't use a modeler, I can't make stuff or do morphs. I've downloaded Blender but It's interface is pretty foreign to me. I just think morphs should be able to be taken off to wacky places without safety limits imposed.

Hornet:
Looks great!
God I hope people don't think I'm being a dick for my money comment. I was just shocked at the price of that texture. I do agree that if it was a more popular figure that the price would be much lower. Hope I didn't offend anyone.

YVW :D
Actually, for morphs, I normally use magnets and/or the morph bursh, I only use a modeler for creating new items.
whenever possible, I use poser to modify existing meshes.

Bill

@ghostship2

Quote - "Hornet:
Looks great!
God I hope people don't think I'm being a dick for my money comment. I was just shocked at the price of that texture. I do agree that if it was a more popular figure that the price would be much lower. Hope I didn't offend anyone"

Well you did not offend me in any shape or form, if I had been offended I would have said something along the lines of 'none of your business'. I didn't because I knew the point you were making. I saw the promos and loved the textures and, as I was playing with Dawn SE it was something I could use immediately. Only after that did I look at the price, at which point I moved on as it was just too expensive. It was only later that I began to think about it, as I said before, I may just have been justifying the price to myself. In the end I did buy it and, for me it has worked well. I would not be so pleased if it had not have worked out. If it had been from a vendor I did not know I may not have been so keen but I have a few of 3Dream's products and they are always first class. I notice there is now a master resource for Roxie, so credit to 3Dream for supporting some of the less popular figures, I hope he does well on it.

Thanks for you comment by the way, it is easy to get to close to something and not be able to see clearly but I have had some positive feedback so I guess I got something right.

@ghostship2-- I was not offended, and I hope you were not offended by what I said-- in my comment I was only pointing out the quality of 3Dream's work in relation to the price. There are certainly some products that I would never think of spending that kind of money for, but I am definitely okay paying artists a fair price for high quality work. Of course everyone has to judge for themselves the kind of money they are willing to spend on a product.

I went back and played with Dawn a little (I was in the middle of a big project when I first downloaded her so ... she ended up on the back file for well ever) I have discovered some more versatility than I originally thought. I did tweek the teeth texture so they didn't look like she'd painted phosphorous on them ;)

I think she is a lovely figure. This is a simple test render with a skydome IDL and a "sun" light.
Boni

Well I am pleased I purchased the texture set and I think I am getting much closer to my goal. This is my WIP as of now, rendered in Poser 2014 and the only post work is the added dark background.

Do you really need the high-end Photoshop in the product description, or could I use it in Elements 10?

"I'm a little baffled by the limits imposed on dial twists. even cranking up a limit in the editor does nothing for a particular morph (nails length for example.) Also, they seem to have modeled in the geometry for nipples but then no morphs??????? I'll have to buy a morph pack now for nipples? I still think she looks great and I'm gonna start using her finally."

I'm actually disappointed that the morphs are so conservative. Especially since Dawn always seemed to have potential as an illustrative character. I'd like to morph Dawn and Dusk as more of a charicature. I hope the Hive loosens that up in the future. It does leave an opportunity for a vender to do Capsces type morphs though.

@ RobZhena

Quote - "Well I am pleased I purchased the texture set and I think I am getting much closer to my goal. This is my WIP as of now, rendered in Poser 2014 and the only post work is the added dark background.

Do you really need the high-end Photoshop in the product description, or could I use it in Elements 10?"

Reply - I am not surprised by your question it did make me think twice before buying but when I checked the textures they are all in .jpg format so they should load into any image manipulation program. I used the textures in Paint Shop Pro without any issues so I am not sure why the requirements do not state 'any program that supports .jpg files.' If I am missing something I am happy for someone to correct me but I had no issues at all.

Thanks!

Last time i looked, Dawn & Dusk didn't have much of a wardrobe. That surprised me because Dawn has been around for 2 years.

@Tony_Stark

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"Last time i looked, Dawn & Dusk didn't have much of a wardrobe. That surprised me because Dawn has been around for 2 years."

REPLY

I think that is a fair comment and some of that may well be due to the fact there was some disappointment in the figure when it was launched. I was certainly one of the people disappointed and while I downloaded the figure I quickly returned to V4. Lots of things have happened in two years, for a start Dawn is not only still around but, in my opinion, has moved on. During that time the has been the launch of Genesis 3 which, so far cannot be used fully in Poser and the earlier Genesis figures need DSON to work. Some have got it to work well others have not or have just not bothered.

Those that have Poser 2014 can use the the fitting room to convert V4 content with some success while others can convert using CrossDresser or Wardrobe Wizard. My limited use of CrossDresser suggests some content converts well while others not so well.

Hivewiire3D have a number of dynamic outfits for Dawn as do RDNA. What there is seems to be of a high quality such as the ranger outfit from Xurge3D. Of course none of this competes with V4 but then nothing else does either. You can look at it is two ways, there is little content after two years or, after two years the figure is still around and being supported. I personally think the Special Edition is a dream to use and the expressions are certainly a lot stronger than V4. Dawn SE may well help conjure up more support but making predictions of where anything is going in the 3D art world has become far more complex in the last few years.

I just released this freebie for Dawn a couple weeks ago:

https://www.dana-anderson.com/FreeProductVisitor.aspx?pid=21 (registration is required)

Thanks for that, sorry I had brain fade, of course I did not mention the freebies.

Honestly, since SR2, I think Dawn is one of the easiest weight map figures to rig clothing for. The freebie above, I rigged when Dawn first came out and it was such a nightmare, I just trashbinned it.

With the advent of SR2, I tried the outfit again and it was a joy to rig.

The sitting position here? No movement bones, no morphs required. The skirt follows the pose with no extra posing required.

I don't have Dawn but I'm liking some of these renders and seeing such makes me more interested in Dawn as a "realism" alternative to V4. Also, in most cases, refreshing to see some renders of expressions on Poser women that don't look like grinning carnivorous zombie sex dolls.
Edit_ also, 3dream has traditionally been a supporter of many more less mainstream poser figures, as evidenced by his templates resources and hair fits work. I recall years ago him downloading a freebie I made for a very obscure Japanese figure and thanking me in comments. Very cool dude and a favorite content creator, any of his products are very well made.

The real big advantage of Dawn over V4 as far as I can see is how easily it is to produce natural looking expressions. Just how much this is important to user will vary but I would think, while bending would be important to those that do 'pin up' type renders, having a good expression would also be of value. The morphs available around the
forehead are extensive and add to confused or sorrowful expressions but even the ability to generate a smile that does not look like that of a crazed killer is a real benefit.

Last time i looked, Dawn & Dusk didn't have much of a wardrobe. That surprised me because Dawn has been around for 2 years.

2 issues. 1. Vendors were expecting V4 level of sales from a brand new figure, which was a tad bit unrealistic. Most of them made 1 product, it didn't sell as well as they had hoped, so they decided to pass on the figure. 2. Dawn didn't ship with much in the way of morphs when she launched. Once the morph packs were made available, she was as versatile as V4. Same size, and same weird body proportions (that everyone apparently likes) as V4, but can take advantage of Poser 9+ tech.

With Poser, clothing has been decoupled from figures for a while now - If you don't have Poser Pro 2014, you still have Wardrobe Wizard built into Poser - Pick up the V4 & Dawn modules over at PhilC.net & have at it.

If you have Poser 2014, Pick up Lyrra's Fitting Room Magnets for Dawn. You can convert V4's clothing to Dawn in less than 30 seconds.

I like what you can do with the Dawn SE textures.

I think she has lots of potential.

@ssgbryan

Thanks for pointing me at the Fitting Room Magnets for Dawn, I downloaded them a couple of hours ago, not only do they work well but you can get really fast using them. As I was using V4WM I had to run any new content through Outfitter so using the magnets instead is no real hardship.

@ shvrdavid

I love the render, boy it even made me feel hot.

I have only just started to experiment with the Dawn expressions but an open smile was always something I avoided in the past.

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/?image_id=2639443

Can't quite put my finger on it but for some reason Dawn's expressions seem really good to me. Her teeth just seem too far forward to me though and maybe a bit large so I use one of the morph packs to adjust. There are quite a few freebies as well. People that like Dawn have been quite productive in creating clothes for her. I'm also pleased to see a lot of dynamic and combination Dawn/V4 items.

edit: the crazed killer expression is on the bottom right, lol.

do the morph packs made for original Dawn work with SE? I have not used even the free one, but what I have seen here looks very good, especially the expressions.

Yes, everything works with Dawn SE just fine.

Glitterati3D posted at 11:39AM Sat, 05 September 2015 - #4226634

Yes, everything works with Dawn SE just fine.

tHANKS :)

A two fer, Dawn n Harry!

Wow! I am seeing some nice Dawn faces here. :)

My main issue with Dawn (original version) has been that there has been so very few unique characters created for her. For some reason, her face has been looking very similar whatever people do, especially around the eyes. This was probably due to the lack of face morphs. So I think that has been a barrier for people creating characters.

That is not at all what I see here! Much improvement. I think we might be seeing new Dawn character packs popping up all over the place soon...

Frequency posted at 8:51AM Thu, 10 September 2015 - #4227315

Wow! I am seeing some nice Dawn faces here. :)

My main issue with Dawn (original version) has been that there has been so very few unique characters created for her. For some reason, her face has been looking very similar whatever people do, especially around the eyes. This was probably due to the lack of face morphs. So I think that has been a barrier for people creating characters.

That is not at all what I see here! Much improvement. I think we might be seeing new Dawn character packs popping up all over the place soon...

I agree with your comment on the original Dawn which I why I am so surprised with Dawn as the figure is today. If you wander over to Hivewire3D and look at the thread for Dawn renders you will an array of characters that look very different from the default. Dawn can be made into some very different looking characters even if you are only into dial spinning like me.

This is my Dawn character (on the right) and my V4 character in the same image. The first Dawn + V4 I have done

4 Dawn clones for Daz Studio, so Dawn can use the cloth for V4, Genesis, G2F and G3F Very accurate using Wrax X program. After conversion they can easily be exported to Poser, fully functional.

http://www.sharecg.com/vintorix

As I got burned in the initial release by that totally useless figure, I don't really care what they do with her now, once burned, twice learned. No more money coming from me for anything Dawn or dusk, or version x.x.x.x whatever.

Doric

PrecisionXXX posted at 9:30PM Fri, 11 September 2015 - #4227795

As I got burned in the initial release by that totally useless figure, I don't really care what they do with her now, once burned, twice learned. No more money coming from me for anything Dawn or dusk, or version x.x.x.x whatever.

Doric

Not a problem, while I didn't feel I got burned I was disappointed with Dawn on release, now, well like a lot of things in life, it has moved on. People choose where they want to walk and go in different ways. All I am doing is putting up sign posts, no one is under any pressure to take the same road as me.

Have fun.

Amazon Dawn.

Some of the dynamic stuff looks great on Dawn SE e.g. this hoodie set by Lully

Cheers

Jon

Jonrea posted at 3:39PM Tue, 15 September 2015 - #4228441

Some of the dynamic stuff looks great on Dawn SE e.g. this hoodie set by Lully

Cheers

Jon

Lovely render.

Lully creates some great dynamic clothing and at some stunning prices most, if not all, include a training manual for those using dynamics for the first time It was one of Lully's outfits that got me interested in dynamic clothing again. I have a lot of the Lully clothing already and anything I haven't already got is in my wish list. There is more on the way I gather so Dawn will have now shortage of dynamic clothing.