Behave ;-)

I would also like to mention the renders in the gallery lately have all been excellent so keep them coming. You are all a very talented group of individuals.

Current Autodesk users opinions on Autodesk subscription.

Behave? a bye bye is the best behaviour one can have with an abusive partner.

And? So when is the release of the next Carrara version?

@chaecuna I was just reading one of your comments on here and it is apparent you are less than satisfied with the DRM which is okay and after all it has had a somewhat shaky history. The issue Autodesk users have and I guess this will apply to all the users of major software is the majority are all heading this way. So where are they going to go?. I was offered the perpetual license for 2016 but apparently that is the last one and they will only offer subscription only as they move into 2017. But subscription and DRM are two different things entirely and considering currently anybody can download Daz Pro for free and a subscription to Daz at $0.00 per month is not something I would be worrying about I also didn't know that was even being discussed so it is probably putting the cart before the horse. When Photoshop went to subscription based I was a little concerned but then when I looked at it and turns out a better deal. My early days with Photoshop the software cost a fortune and to upgrade even every few years the investment was considerable. Now I went subscription I just pay 10 bucks a month and I have the latest and greatest Photoshop has to offer at all times. I use it professionally so a couple of jobs it is paid for the rest of the year. I know plenty of people that could never afford PS as each time they got close something come up and they had to start again saving, they all have it now. Is subscription based a really bad thing.

@EddyMI Something I would love to see myself ................Carrara 9

If you want to "try" it, I noticed the last public Beta is still in the Download Manager. ...but now that I bring it up, it may catch their attention, so hurry!!!

(...you can run the beta in parallel with an older release, just check the thread before installing it, to backup your content DB and other stuff)

@LPR001:

Going where? come on, you are not a clueless dummy... as mentionned in lots of threads on CGTalk, MODO, Houdini and Blender .

Apropos PS: GIMP has lingered for years, becoming a joke but in 2015 Krita has begun to evolve at Blender speeds, so it is just question of time for it to overtake PS. Already today PS users are salivating on Krita tiled paint mode, something that apparently does not exists in PS.

What makes me feel good is that even Allegorithmic rent-then-buy scheme (which even for me looks legit) is becoming harshly questioned and that in forums I regularily see mentions to boiling frogs. The general 3D user population is becoming aware of the menace ahead and is showing a massive repulse against anything remotely like always-online schemes. Saner firms and FOSS improving at Roadrunner speeds are the general answer to the where to go question.

Is there any trick to install DS 4.9 on an other drive, e. g. G, without deleting the 4.8 on D?

Jules53757 posted at 2:52PM Thu, 21 January 2016 - #4250495

Is there any trick to install DS 4.9 on an other drive, e. g. G, without deleting the 4.8 on D?

You can install the 32 bit and 64 bit of DS4, but not two versions of the same bit ie DS4.8 64 and 4.9 64, they write a ton of data into the registry (PC) and user files, that to have two different builds can really screw up your settings, it's why they made the beta a separate install through DIM only.

Thx

Once the official public release is in the DIM it will overwrite the 4.8. I run the 4.9 Beta and 4 .8 Public 64 bit side by side, I think it was pointed out a couple of comments up that the Beta was still in the DIM but that might have disappeared by now. I did see somewhere the advice to save a copy of the 4.8 as a backup set a restore point and at least you can go back. Whether that works in practice is another story.

Use DIM to install content but do not download 4.9 files unless you are OK with DRM encryption.Once you download and install studio 4.9 your 4.8 is bye bye. If this is OK with you then go for it. For new users daz connect is great, you don't have to know how to do zip installs or upgrades it is all handled inside studio. The downside is that you have to deal with Online connection for DRM verification and encryption.

Daz Connect Official FAQ is here

@chaecuna - X-files

@Razor42 - Thanks for putting the FAQ here. It might help sort the wheat from the chaff :-)

LPR001 posted at 3:20PM Fri, 22 January 2016 - #4250559

@chaecuna - X-files @Razor42 - Thanks for putting the FAQ here. It might help sort the wheat from the chaff :-)

Shitting your pants, dear LPR001? you have all the reasons to do so .

I see your links and and bet the link the relevant thread on DAZ forums where people are telling DAZ they are "upset".

The most important fact I noticed in that thread is that many of the no-way-I-am-going-away posters qualify themselves as graphic professionals and this is significant on two levels:

1 - professionals are certainly big buyers and their leaving will significantly hurt DAZ (and DAZ PAs) bottom line (definitely heartwarming);

2 - much more significant, starting from today there is a market vacuum in the "character studio" arena, a great business opportunity for some enterprising group to step in or, wet dream, for some good FOSS initiative. In any case, big big troubles for DAZ. It won't happen tomorrow but I think that we might see something interesting on the subject at SIGGRAPH 2017.

P.S.: My faith in human kind slightly increased today. It appears that, at least in the CG professional community, sheeple desperately looking for a master to brutalize them are a minority in a sea of sane people.

As of right now, Daz is saying that all their previous content will continue to be available as non-encrypted and they have no plans to make new content connect-only, so I have no complaint about the new setup. If that should ever change then complaints will be justified IMO, but until and unless that happens, Daz Connect should present no problems.

3doutlaw posted at 8:13AM Fri, 22 January 2016 - #4250492

If you want to "try" it, I noticed the last public Beta is still in the Download Manager. ...but now that I bring it up, it may catch their attention, so hurry!!!

(...you can run the beta in parallel with an older release, just check the thread before installing it, to backup your content DB and other stuff)

Before the first 4.9 Public Beta was released the Public Beta was the same as the release version of 4.8. It isn't some big secret, Daz 3D knows all about it, to the point of making sure they are the same version.

Bejaymac posted at 8:15AM Fri, 22 January 2016 - #4250496

Jules53757 posted at 2:52PM Thu, 21 January 2016 - #4250495

Is there any trick to install DS 4.9 on an other drive, e. g. G, without deleting the 4.8 on D?

You can install the 32 bit and 64 bit of DS4, but not two versions of the same bit ie DS4.8 64 and 4.9 64, they write a ton of data into the registry (PC) and user files, that to have two different builds can really screw up your settings, it's why they made the beta a separate install through DIM only.

Absolutely correct.

chaecuna posted at 3:25PM Fri, 22 January 2016 - #4250614

LPR001 posted at 3:20PM Fri, 22 January 2016 - #4250559

@chaecuna - X-files @Razor42 - Thanks for putting the FAQ here. It might help sort the wheat from the chaff :-)

Shitting your pants, dear LPR001? you have all the reasons to do so .

I see your links and and bet the link the relevant thread on DAZ forums where people are telling DAZ they are "upset".

The most important fact I noticed in that thread is that many of the no-way-I-am-going-away posters qualify themselves as graphic professionals and this is significant on two levels:

1 - professionals are certainly big buyers and their leaving will significantly hurt DAZ (and DAZ PAs) bottom line (definitely heartwarming);

2 - much more significant, starting from today there is a market vacuum in the "character studio" arena, a great business opportunity for some enterprising group to step in or, wet dream, for some good FOSS initiative. In any case, big big troubles for DAZ. It won't happen tomorrow but I think that we might see something interesting on the subject at SIGGRAPH 2017.

P.S.: My faith in human kind slightly increased today. It appears that, at least in the CG professional community, sheeple desperately looking for a master to brutalize them are a minority in a sea of sane people.

With regard to Point #1, every time DAZ3D has implemented a major change, we have gotten the same types of responses in the forums. Some people actually follow through, and some don't. IMHO only time will tell if this is just an immediate reaction to change (FUD), or a true final position, and if it is representative of the total user base. If you listened to forum posters when DS 4 and Genesis were introduced, DAZ3D was on a self destruct mission. The same was true when they introduce DIM, but it seems that time has so far, proved these predictions wrong.

Point #2 - Not that I wouldn't love to see DAZ/Poser figure support in Blender (or another free or low cost top quality software), I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it. I've been waiting for 15 years to see a viable FOSS alternative to Poser or DS. There have been several attempts at building a good importer for Blender, which have all died because it is simply not that easy (plus it seems that for the most part the Blender community isn't interested, and neither is the vast majority of the DS/Poser crowd). I definitely wouldn't expect any major announcements of a FOSS competitor to DS/Poser at SIGGRAPH next year (or any year) - it is really more of a professional/academic affair. True SM and DAZ do quite often have booths there, but from personal experience I can say that neither one is exactly thought of as being leaders in 3D software or technology (and as a general rule, the users tend to garner even less respect). Not that I wouldn't be quite happy if something were to happen - I just don't expect it.

I'm no big fan of DRM, or encrypted content for DAZ, but predictions of their demise based on forum posts IMHO is a bit over jealous. Only time will tell if it will be successful, a push, or less than successful. I think DAZ Connect however will generally have greater appeal to the "got to have it now" crowd, as "in app" purchases make it much simpler. It's impossible to determine from our point of view (forumites with no knowledge of the extent of their user base, their buying habits, and general demographics) if the DS user base will quickly adopt it, or pass it by. People who participate in the forums are only a fraction of the total user base.

Big question... If I install 4.9 and don't like the changes, can I remove it and install the with 4.8 installer I still have on my HDD?

@Gator762 I think the installer on the HDD instructs the DIM so it might depend on Daz 4.8 being available to download. I was wondering if you could set a restore point on your PC and then if need be set it back that way. I know I have taken a computer back 6 months on a restore point and it took off everything I had installed after that date and put back all the software/files I had booted off after it. You might want a few opinions before acting. I am running both and I did not really see much of a change between the two the most obvious is the connect and the little shop which both you can deal with.

If like me you manually download the installers for each build then yes you can replace 4.9 with 4.8, the bitrock installers are a different item to what you get when you download through DUM, so it wont be overwritten, just manually uninstall DS first to stop any chance of it messing up on you.

@DustRider

This time is different.

First, I see lots of posts showing that people have finally realized that this is not just an episodic change but the beginning of the trip towards rental/always-on-line/cloud hell and therefore things can only get worse.

Second, I noticed that the number of posts of people proposing boycotts to make DAZ change their mind is quite low. People have, on most part, given up on hopes and they are now simply thinking about exit strategies. DAZ managed to destroy in a day 15 years of users trust and trust is something that you cannot rebuild.

chaecuna posted at 12:03PM Sat, 23 January 2016 - #4250815

@DustRider

This time is different.

First, I see lots of posts showing that people have finally realized that this is not just an episodic change but the beginning of the trip towards rental/always-on-line/cloud hell and therefore things can only get worse.

Second, I noticed that the number of posts of people proposing boycotts to make DAZ change their mind is quite low. People have, on most part, given up on hopes and they are now simply thinking about exit strategies. DAZ managed to destroy in a day 15 years of users trust and trust is something that you cannot rebuild.

Yes, it is a bit different because the issues are a bit different than with with the introduction of DS4 and Genesis, but they are rather similar to the concerns with DIM. Time will tell how it all shakes out, but taking a 30,000 foot view may give insight to possible success of their moves, rather than the numerous predictions of failure (i.e. stepping back taking in the big picture, and trying to remove my personal biases), Most people under the age of 25 now are very used to similar product delivery models, and often prefer them. They are used to, and want, instant gratification, and are less concerned with digital product longevity. So while there may be many forum users who are more comfortable with the "old" ways of doing things, there may be a whole market segment that you never see in the forums, and is very comfortable with connect and encryption. This market segment that would be virtually invisible to forum participants, but of course this is purely speculation, so I may well be completely wrong.

If it wasn't for the fact that I use Carrara and sometimes Poser (oh, and Blacksmith 3D) in addition to DS, I doubt I would have any major issues with DAZ Connect because it wouldn't cause any big issues with the functionality of DS (and you can still export encrypted and/or connect content). I would guess that most of the user base fits the DS only model, as the majority of Poser users no longer shop there, and Carrara users are a big minority. The encrypted content is a bit different issue. Again, more of the younger users are probably a bit more receptive, but anyone who has been burned buy any digital copy protection schemes will be rather reluctant, or simply refuse to buy encrypted content. It's hard to say how large a portion of the user based this demographic is, it could be 1%, 10%, or 50%, or more???. Right now though, encrypted content has only been DAZ originals, so there is still a lot of un-encrypted content available.

Regardless, IMHO, it will be several months before we really see, as customers/outsiders, what the possible acceptance of encrypted content is. DAZ Connect will probably be a bit like DIM, reluctance at first with increasing acceptance over time, with the exception Poser and Carrara users where Connect only products (or products installed via connect) can only be used in DS.

I saw postings in the German forum that PC members are forced to use 4.9, no download of PC items in 4.8 anymore so they cancelled their membership.

The PC items yesterday and today are encrypted, connect only. They are also "free" with certain purchases. DAZ has made no announcement that PC Items will be encrypted /connect only, in fact, I think it was DAZ_Steve posted that the plan was to make yesterdays items available as connect or download, but he decided to make them connect only at the last minute.

I'm guessing that future PC items will not be connect only, and this is simply a promotional stunt to strongly encourage people to try connect (and 4.9), but I could be wrong. If I am wrong, I may have to rethink my PC membership as well. Not being able to use items directly in Carrara, as I can now, will reduce their value to me, and the value of PC+.

The released Connect only items are not PC items they are DO (daz Originals) items, PC members are not being forced to do anything - that is just a load of bull.

Correct ... DO's not PC ... my bad

wheatpenny posted at 2:44PM Sat, 23 January 2016 - #4250619

"As of right now, Daz is saying that all their previous content will continue to be available as non-encrypted and they have no plans to make new content connect-only,...."

"and they have no plans to make new content connect-only," Well, that "truthful" statement from DAZ lasted almost 24hrs wheatpenny (no reflection on you). As of today at 3PM Pacific, they have six "DAZConnect" ONLY products in their store. Promotion on some of them doesn't change the fact that they are for sale without promotion with the same "DAZConnect" ONLY restriction that they claimed would NOT happen. Fool me once....

chaecuna posted at 8:34AM Sun, 24 January 2016 - #4250815

@DustRider

This time is different.

First, I see lots of posts showing that people have finally realized that this is not just an episodic change but the beginning of the trip towards rental/always-on-line/cloud hell and therefore things can only get worse.

Second, I noticed that the number of posts of people proposing boycotts to make DAZ change their mind is quite low. People have, on most part, given up on hopes and they are now simply thinking about exit strategies. DAZ managed to destroy in a day 15 years of users trust and trust is something that you cannot rebuild.

First day I saw the notice, I cancelled my Platinum Club membership, unsubscribed to all DAZ newsletters and removed all bookmarks to their site. I'm done with them. This was last straw.

Moonglow posted at 3:03PM Sun, 24 January 2016 - #4250889

wheatpenny posted at 2:44PM Sat, 23 January 2016 - #4250619

"and they have no plans to make new content connect-only,"

You missquoted them. They, obviously under the direction of their lawyers, always add a currently to their public statements. The only times you see absolute statements are the posts of DAZ PAs whose statement have no binding weight for DAZ (corporate).

@chaecuna For someone who has such a wide ranging knowledge of all things Daz and their internal operations it is a pity you don't have the same knowledge of how things operate here

Considering there would not be the bandwidth to put all your comments here from the threads of the 4.9 saga I will abbreviate it Trolling - In breach of the TOS Product bashing - In breach of the TOS Personal insults/character attacks - In breach of the TOS

Here is the link to the TOS please refresh your memory before any further posting in the Daz forum here at RenderosityRenderosity TOS

No No No! I do not use DRM, I won't use it even if i can. I do not even like eggs with ham.

Please do not encrypt the things i want to buy, it will just make me wanna cry & say b- bye.

My money is green. But is still call doe, its what everybody is after in this world don't you know,.

So watch as I grab tight to my doe in hand

All because I'm afraid of DRM & a future that could add in unwanted spam.
which would be nothing like eggs with ham.

Trust us they say it will be okay , But they have proven on different day, that just was not truly that way.

My Roses are red & I seen violates that are blue, I understand you may believe I am a loon,

But there is one thing that is perfectly clear. and maybe its just they can't hear. Hey its my green that supports their pay. and that is really what I have to say.

So try to have a really nice day, & I'll spend my money at Renderosity today.

(This poem was removed from a thread in the daz forum for what reason I have no idea.) I guess Daz people don't like cute protest poems.) The Daz people may think that encryption using a DRM/cloud server is their best way to curb piracy, But there is evidence already it did nothing to stop or even slow down piracy. seeming their connect only products are showing up all over the place. so why are they forcing it on paying honest long time customer? and even a bigger question. why are they not listening to their customer concerns?. from what I seen the nays have out way Yeas on using Daz_Connect. even with all the forum post that have been removed by their moderators. Its very heart breaking to me because I love daz.Studio. But I will never support DRM/cloud supported products unless its xbox. when Adobe went Creative cloud. it was actually a god send because i was able to find alternatives, that were cheaper that work as well. So I guess its time to update my poser pro program to supperfly and leave daz Studio in the past. That just makes So me sad I can not describe. but i hate DRM/ cloud or anything associated with it. and Daz_connect using DRM/ cloud to un-encrypt the products you buy there. even if its only one time is still a DRM/cloud server support product., and lets face it this stuff it to expensive to be locked into one program.

So beg Renderosity people please don't ever use DRM to deliver the products you sell. or I will stop buying your product here as well

That is all I have to say , Have a great day

DAZ "moderators" are so busy deleting posts that refreshing pages in the DRM thread induces vertigo.

Renderosity seems to have had a bout of sanity and they are actually promoting their products with the charming slogan "Don't let DRM Products limit your creativity... Shop Renderosity Today!".

chaecuna posted at 11:33PM Tue, 26 January 2016 - #4251430

DAZ "moderators" are so busy deleting posts that refreshing pages in the DRM thread induces vertigo.

Renderosity seems to have had a bout of sanity and they are actually promoting their products with the charming slogan "Don't let DRM Products limit your creativity... Shop Renderosity Today!".

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2898670&page_number=2#msg4250987

Please stop this behavior now. There is no excuse what so ever for anyone to take their frustrations out on staff.

3DFineries posted at 1:56PM Wed, 27 January 2016 - #4251466

Please stop this behavior now. There is no excuse what so ever for anyone to take their frustrations out on staff.

It would be frustration if I gave a shit about them, something that I do not do.

It is a service to the community: if you cannot find anymore posts over there, rest assured that you had no hallucination but things (post, customers, etc.) vanishing for real. No need to rush to the nearest neurologists .

"Renderosity seems to have had a bout of sanity and they are actually promoting their products with the charming slogan "Don't let DRM Products limit your creativity... Shop Renderosity Today!"."

This is an expected and natural Marketing reaction to DAZ's new DRM implementation

So What is the actual catastrophe for those who dont want to buy from DAZ going forward?? How will your personal CG/Art/animations/ Naked girl Gallery renders, or whatever be stopped or even hindered by Encrypted content from Daz ??

Buy at RDNA & Here etc. and Life will go on.

If you are an exclusive DAZ studio user keep your version of 4.8 and CREATE something with the Hoard of content I assume you already have.

If you are an exclusive poser user this presents no problem for you or your poser native content ( no draconian encryption for that brobdignagian deluge of content for Paul& Pauline..right??).

"OH but its about ownership, the Principle blah blah"

Ask your self what in your modern life do you actually "own" both tangible and nontangible.

You dont "own" the water that Flushes away your intestinal waste you rent it from the water utility. Nor do you "own" the electricity that powers/recharges whatever Device you are using to post in this forum you RENT the electricity from some "heartless megacorp who is likely buggering the environment in some fashion.

You do not own any of the non tangible content you pay to watch on Cable TV or netflix or any of the music you stream from "Spotify"etc.

On the Matter of "3D software and content" it seems that at some point people stopped reading EULA's and began to believe they actually "owned" their Digital Hoards.

Welcome to REALITY.

@chaecuna, are you deliberately trying to get yourself banned?

Attacks on staff (and other members for that matter)are not allowed and you know that, but you keep doing it anyway.

I'm not worried about what happens to my "old content." Over the past decade or so, I've downloaded every single item I've bought. I've made DVD copies, and "clone" backups or every hard drive. I had been installing my content manually for many years before DAZ released DIM. I use DIM, out of curiosity now, but still install all my content manually.

I think DAZ made a mistake with DIM, and DAZ is just digging themselves in deeper with DAZ Connect. They had a good idea, but failed to fix existing problems with their file organization etc. Those are my opinions, but I won't waste any more emotional energy on the subject. I probably won't buy much from DAZ for awhile. I need to save my money for more important and rewarding things, like new eyeglasses or a new computer.

@Tony_Stark I know what you mean about the eyeglasses and need a new pair as I wore my eyes out over the 4.9 threads ;-)

LPR001 posted at 8:32PM Wed, 27 January 2016 - #4251582

@Tony_Stark I know what you mean about the eyeglasses and need a new pair as I wore my eyes out over the 4.9 threads ;-)

Hi Johnny G, I would greatly be interested in watching some of your animations if you have any you like to share I seen your Sig-tag. that is why i asked if you have any. you can watch my last one I did here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4KlH5Mz2t4

Animation was the only reason I loved using daz studio. though it has a some draw backs now. So I'm going to try poser again.. it has more features like physics & built in dynamic controls for animation plus all my older FX content i have still works in poser 2012 so I guessing it will with poser 11 maybe not until i try it..

Though you got to admit , It seems every time Daz comes out with a new software version upgrade, some how they manage break compatible with last copies of their software. even some content. . they pretty must totally broke compatibility with poser and carrera now. I don;t see how that is for the better But some how they do. I dunno how daz 4.9 works with Iclone now either because i don't have iclone . But I assume Daz it broke compatibility with iclone the same as poser & carrera .

I got some great in programming fx tools like Nerds fire & smoke, and Nerds wave & Dusty trail tool. Practical FX etc they all use to work great in Daz still. but not anymore. Also I've been hearing & seeing some really good results with superfly That has intrigued me to try using poser again. I have PP2012 when i get paid this Friday I'm gonna use my 60% upgrade coupon & update to poser 11. . I will not get into the new daz DRM policy anymore. I am so done with Newer versions of DAZ studio. if can't use the content in poser and carrera as well whats the point of buying it. so I'll just speak with my money. find what I can when its available here.

Anyway I love all types of animation so if you have any to share I would love to watch them :) you may like this last animation I did with daz studio 4.8 and Adobe premiere pro check it out. when you get a chance. I love to see some of your sometime. . I seen some really cute stuff created from this forum. Have a nice day.

Hi Ivy,

This last post Ivy with a lot of sweetness mixed in, does seems to be have quite a bit of flame baiting buried in also. I'm not sure if you're aware of the history in these forums, but threads like this can often turn very ugly, quickly if things get out of control. If I did post a similar post to your last two in the Poser forum it would turn very ugly fast and I would possibly be reprimanded for stirring up trouble or flame baiting.

I mean you mentioned 'Poser' nine times in that last post. Which hey Poser is great, but this is the DS forums so let's try to keep it a little on topic and talk about DS not the reasons why you're buying the new version of Poser. I'm sure the Poser forum would love to hear it so maybe there would be a better place to share your obvious Poser enthusiasm. :)

One instance in your post mentions that you believe Poser has "more features", while I could easily name a good ten or so features to be found in DS that Poser doesn't have. Each does have their own feature set and I honestly don't feel either platform has "more" just different. But a simple statement like that does come across a bit like looking for an argument.

While your opinions may be against DRM and it's protection of PA content and that's fine. But you can't expect to continually drop in here and restate your points and not expect to eventually be challenged over them to a degree. As not everyone does agree with the opinions you're stating. If you want to see where this kind of discourse on DRM in Daz Studio has been so far, maybe have a read through this 12 page thread, as it has been discussed quite exhaustively in both Pro and Con aspects :https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2895510 before turning this thread into another downward spiral.

I'm all for you having an opportunity to vent and express your frustrations with Daz 3D and their recent changes, which I feel you did quite well in your first post. But I'm not going to just continue to sit back and let you bash DS and Daz 3D repetitively without offering counterpoints to your assertions. This is a DS forum not a Daz 3D vent forum so can we please try to stay on topic and not just use this as a platform for expressing personal frustration.

@poisinivy Would you believe I have had the pleasure of watching your video before? I think the same of it now as I did then ....... I love it!! I also noticed a favourable comment from Peter Blood now there is a man that knows his stuff. I will send you a link to a website where you can check out my work. As a moderator putting it here might be a little self serving being commercial.

Now about the Daz ---> part. Are you using Daz 4.9 beta or the official 4.9 release? Daz 4.9 beta had an issue I am thinking towards the last update where when exporting you would send it out but when trying to open in another program it would crash. I could close 4.9 open the exact same project file in 4.8 that the character etc was prepared for and set the timeline to 1 frame if I had added a facial expression DUF key and export FBX open it in the other software usually 3DXChange 6 and carry on as normal. (I set the timeline to 1 because it speeds up the export by about 20 times over at least and at my age every second counts) As far as I know this issue was fixed re the export glitch perhaps a Daz staffer can confirm this.

If you still have 4.8 then you should not have an issue

Looking at your clip if you were to ask me what software would I recommend to do your animations I would say Reallusion iClone Pipeline and Daz both are DRM. I started in the music industry well before DRM but it has been in for a long time now and then got into film/animation which if you head into the serious software and also want to be protecting your own work the DRM is just like part of the furniture. I shop for clients projects and a car for example on some sites can range from 100 to 1500 bucks each with licensing so I can tell you there isn't a car left in the Daz store and the Rendo MP upstairs here better get a wriggle on because Nationale7 and a few others aint building them quick enough. Same goes for all the city blocks and props in Poser or Daz format.

I have two clips to release shortly for an Australian band I started them long before Daz even mentioned the DRM and I am still working on them now using Daz for export. I recommend hang in there and wait before making any major decisions over Daz but while you wait take a little trip upstairs to the MP and download the iClone trial and have some fun, Check your specs first but if you are using the software you already indicated it should be fine :-) If you like it then you already have a great library I run PP2014 and Daz purely to buy, prepare and export for animation. oh with the occasional render in each either album covers or for fun. Bryce is good for terrains............... use them all.

I will send you that link.

Hi Razor42 trust me I am doing my best to be respectful I'm very frustrated with whats happen at daz, and more so with their moderator. so will not go back. so you are right.yes some of my comments are going to be very bitter & sweet. in reality I am sweet most of the time. But Daz new policy brought out the worst. in me .. maybe because of how much I have invest with them ocver the year. . and the daz people just shuffling our complaints under the rug just makes it worst. and yes they are doing that. when they remove post that contain any critizm so I think its be be expected people are going to be angry and Daz and their posse should have understand. what people forget is by you accepting DRM encrypted products is just enforces companies to use it.

Now for your second part of you comment. Yes I used poser way befoe daz. Poser is what brought me to daz. and now iot looks like Daz is forcing me back into oposer because I will not supoort Daz new policy.. so please stop trying to convince me. Now you said I mentions poser 12 times well I can only go by my experience with poser pro 2012 as i have not upgrade to poser 11, but have been learning all I can about it because I do like bullet physics So I am not making judgement if Poser 11 is better at this time. but as it stand poser 2012 is more advance to me for animation accept I don;t use Iray for animation so I could careless about it. . But superfly uses GPU as well so and I read it was made with animation as its intended use. that is what intrigue me. PLUS do know for a fact daz studio has no bullet physics . I know for a fact daz studio use a dynamic clothing control that is a plugin and not part built as part of the program. not going to mention thay Daz dynaimc controls are borderline usable if it works for you in animation I would love to see how good you down with it. then that may inspire me to recant my opinon. but its crap from what I can do with it
Plus it wa something we been asking and asking for but in studio & never seems to that important to daz to do.

I have been working with daz exclusively for the last 3 years for animation and love it that is why I dropped poser for it. But I have had some very bad experiences with companies using encryption to deliver their products using a drm server that I will not bother to talk about in here because it will just add to the tension. But I will never defend or support drm ANYTHING EVER . so please don;t try to convince me

Anyway i will continue to use daz4.8 as long as I can and I will be upgrading to poser because it was my first 3d software , I use to very good with poser and lot of my older generation FX tools I bought for daz and poser . do not work in the new version of daz studio 4.8 so I know they will not work in studio4.9 But they still work in my poser 8 and poser 2012 because I just used those tools for my dragon warrior animation. so I am assuming for the better they will work as well in poser 11 and that is why I had mention poser 12 times in my statement. I hoping for. Particle FX will still work as well in poser 11 its a awesome in program FX tool

Now you may not want to admit that daz breaks compatibility with each new release of Studio . but all you have to do is ask any correra and Poser user they will tell you different . that is all I going to say about that. I was reading some of the forum at realillusion tonight . and it appears some of Iclone user are having issue with Daz Connect products they bought not working in Iclone as well so that is why I am done talking about it daz connect. its buyer beware. and when what happens what I predict will happen . than I will say I told you so .. if not then you can tell me. hows that? As I said I am so done using new versions of studio, and I will not enforce the use of it by purchin any more products at daz encrupted or not.. it seems to be my only option for a private protest. so I'll stick with 4.8 and update and try poser 11 and work with that . I have Autodesk suite. bought when i was finishing my classes at Tennessee State I got a real good deal because I got a upgrade price for me studdent version so I only paind $900 for a $4000 suite , But trying to use it is like trying to learn forerin language to me.

So I will do my best to behave.. But you have to understand people have a lot invested in Daz and we are angry. and the best way to deal with anger is to vent. where the daz posse like it or not. that I do apologize for

Thank you for your reply Razor . and No hard feeling towards you my friend. not to sound like George Harrison .. "All things pass." so shall this .

@ Johnny G , Please call me Ivy that is my real name.

Thank you for your reply I known peter for a while , your right he is a good guy and great with sound advice. I never used daz 4.9 beta or any 4.9 versions once they Daz mention the word drm. I was done. like I said I have some very bad experiences, with DRM & cloud services. and recently it looks like Hollywood is as well..lol and like you I too and a musician I play and record Guitar and Piano. But I just teach it now to some of the kids at the high school . I guess thats what happens when you get old/ I would love to see some of your animations that is why I asked. Other people animations are what inspire me to do better in my own project. I don;t like trolls but i do accept constructive criticism very well and I do listen to it if I feel it will help me improve my projects, like I said I have seen some great stuff done by some very talented people . and yes you are right DRM cloud is the what the next generation is accepting because they never experienced standalone software or the freedom that comes with it. and the younger generations also depend on Mobil devices for communication more then I would as well, it does not mean I have to accept it. when it comes to 3d content. I buy I know I don't actually own the 3d content i pay for & just the rights to use it.. But when I pay very good hard earn money for content I want to store the back ups in my own drives not on some company that could sell out to someone else and loses all my back ups because they are encrypted.. its happen before to me so please don't tell me it does happen. I could name as many reason DRM cloud is bad as the Daz posse can name the posictives .so as I said I am done with it I will stick with daz 4.8 which I have great success with and by the 3d content i can use in it as long as I can and that will be it,, screw it I guess these companies don't want my money. Now like many others here. I have for the last few years set a side $100 a month to buy 3d content will which I spend and then some. its a budget I am happy I could maintain.for as long as I have. and even bragged abuot. which has given me a huge library of content. which I use to create my animations. . I am alsoways on the look out for thing i can use in my animation.. maybe that is why I am so Upset about daz new drm policy because that not came to a screeching halt.

Now lets change the subject. I ador any type animations. the cornier the better. I like serious animations and I like goofy test animations just as much .. because someone has put the effort into create it. and should be applauded even for the most feeble attempts because you know well as I its not easy to do.

Please send me a site message if you like, I would enjoy seeing your animations. I'm not much of a critic though I just love watching them and see how people create them and their individual style in which really is the best part.

Thank you for your reply I will do my best to curb my frustration and angry. But I hope people understand . we feel like we been passed over for a younger generation that will accept anything.. and our money and concerns mean shit. Add that too the fact I am NOT politically correct at all by any means. in fact I feel it s duty to call it out as when i see it..Boy am I ever living in the wrong time period.lol

Have a great evening

ps I am very dyslexic so sorry for the bad spelling my spell checker not working tonight.

yeah well you know what us Dazzies are like Ivy quiet, shy and reserved as razor pointed out we have touched on the DRM topic with the odd passing comment. I will send u the link to some of my work. :-)

SIgh... Must be nice, must be nice...

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Well thanks for sharing those thoughts with us Ivy,

Though there is a whole other side to DRM, where as a content provider we spend hours upon hours chained to our desk to be rewarded within minutes of a new item being released in store, with the sight of our creations being stolen and distributed freely. And why not as they are just a .zip file with absolutely no protection at all. Really it's the equivalent of taking your new car to the ghetto leaving your keys in the ignition and going for a walk. Relying on nothing more than the goodwill of your fellow man that it will be there on your return.

And I'm not just talking a few little swaps here between friends, I'm talking stolen thousands of times in tens of different places within a single week of release. DRM isn't solely designed to be an imposition for yourself, the user. It's a mitigative effort to protect creative content from rampant piracy in the industry. It's not a matter of being passed over, it's a matter of modern content protection. Whether you know it or not DRM is likely on your phone, computer and entertainment systems, most have many forms of DRM on them. It's likely that the web browser you're using right now to read this has built in DRM support. This very webpage uses HTTPS which has built in support for DRM content. I noticed your cool video on Youtube, Youtube has DRM! Putting your video on Youtube is supporting a company that uses DRM...

So go on feeling that you don't like DRM, don't support and won't use it, but in reality you may be somewhat in denial.

And while you may feel those mods at Daz 3D were quite mean to you, they were just doing their jobs. Which from what I have seen at times isn't a position I would wish on anyone.

You may feel you're making a grand protest against DRM, but in reality you are just turning your back on Daz 3D and their efforts to protect their PA's content via Encryption. Which is your choice to make.

I'm honestly not trying to convince you of anything, you have made your position abundantly clear and I do wish you the best whichever path you choose to travel. And I hope Poser (18 times in last post...) delivers the tools you need for your animation projects. I'm sure the Poser crowd will be happy to see them and offer you any support you may need.

Hi Razon thank you for your thoughtful & respectful reply back to me, I understand everything you say & your point of view. But lets just leave it as we agree to disagree. I will still be using my Daz studio 4.8 along with upgrades to other software & will I buy support those products that only can be access without encryption.

BTW for the record I may not make 3d content . But I do make and sell web site starter templates in HTML5 , Jquery , API frame works and C+++ ,web site back end templates. which take me weeks to develop comes in a ZIP file. & it usually end up being pirated within a few weeks of being released on MonstertempleteDotcom where i sell them, so I understand exactly what your saying of potential income loss. The one difference is my products will come with lifetime support & not filled with Malware,viruses & crypto- lockers or worst, like you will find on torrents offering my pirated products. So anyone that is stupid enough to use pirated content deserves to be cryto-locked & eventually will be if they keep seeking out illegal content. that is why I believe serious users will not use pirated content.because of the investments they have in their computer equipment. So I believe the lost in revenue because of Piracy is not as great as I am being told by other that sell on that site as well.. like it is in the music industry. Pirating is very frustrating I agree. trying to get those sites to remove my products is a real hassle and sometimes can not be removed at all because of where the servers are located in other counties... so I have come accept it as doing business online. doesn't mean I'm going to starting selling them as a Subscription cloud encrpted only content like Adobe or other places do. I'm still using MS office 2008 which is not cloud service works great. so why would I want to pay $30 a month for MS cloud office 365?

Anyway can we change this subject now its hurting my brain. I wanna brag for a second. I bought a awesome new Helicopter for one of my animation off another site today which I can not list here because of the Redo Tos. But it is one of Daz venders that have their private own site for slling content, they sent me a link last night after reading my post on my blog site at WordPress & how upset I am & lets say it made me pleased that someone felt I was important and that my money mattered. Plus I can use it Studio4.,8 which when tested worked great and it came as C2r with the wavefront .Obj included ina 7zip which makes it usable in other software . That made me feel good and gave me some faith back. and I will continue to patronize him now. I respect your opinions Razor even if I may not agree with them.

Have a nice day

LPR001 posted at 2:32PM Thu, 28 January 2016 - #4251724

yeah well you know what us Dazzies are like Ivy quiet, shy and reserved as razor pointed out we have touched on the DRM topic with the odd passing comment. I will send u the link to some of my work. :-)

Please send me the link I really do enjoy animations of all types. : ) I've made 60 of them over the years

So I believe the lost in revenue because of Piracy is not as great as I am being told by other that sell on that site as well.. like it is in the music industry.

There are many other impacts beyond purely monetary that need to be considered.

I was reading on a somewhat dodgy site, people who believe piracy is a freedom of information activity. Seeing themselves as community based free thinkers and digital revolutionaries. On this thread they had taken to speculating about 'What if piracy was legalised globally?'. One of the first things they all agreed on is, it would bring an end to most of the existing media structures. When asked 'Well, where will new content and media come from when these media giants fall?' The answer was immediately put forward, well because the pirates are so creative and morally sound in motivation they will create the new media themselves. Of course it will all be opensource and free to everyone. I thought 'Wow, that's great pirates are willing to work for free, with 0 income for the betterment of mankind to bring us all media content'. I guess they can just depend on someone else to feed, shelter, clothe and protect them as they will be in effect 'media monks'.

In reality, it's purely a delusion being put forward to justify their actions as not only a destructive one, and it also helps to ease their conscious. Most people engaged in this kind of behaviour are quite misinformed about it's impact and do work diligently to create that margin of doubt of it being a victimless crime. It actually made me think of what the world would be like where media was nothing more than a global 'Please be kind rewind' project. Sounds pretty sad to me.