karanta posted at 2:01PM Mon, 05 March 2018 - #4325598

..... maybe you will ask yourself "why is she still making Poser stuff if the situation is not that great" :)

The main reason is that I still love Poser. And I highly doubt this will ever change. It's not just about the money ;)

Amen to that! I still make Poser Products from time to time (though mostly freebies because ... well I've always made freebies ...) and they sell laughably bad (eventhough I do think they're nice items, really) - but then I'm not depending on it as an income. I make them because I can, and any $ earned usually gets spent right here again L I do love Instore Credit.

I think it's a shame that not more people do nice DYNAMIC clothes for Poser. It's really not that difficult to use dynamics, and at the moment people are going mad about D-Force. Sprouting out items for that. And for the DS only people -_-

Yes, Dynamic clothes has a slight learning curve, compared to just "load and render" - but really .. that's what Poser users are GOOD at. At least thoswe of us who has been along for the ride all since Poser 4. Probably newcomers find it confusing. More so if they come from DS where it IS more of a Click and render solution. And nothing wrong with that. I just think Poser users are more familiar with DIY - we've HAD to in the past.

I like to pick things apart and use them in a new way. My latest picture features a single dandelion I pulled out of a bunch of Flinks Dandelions ... with the Grouping Tool. Poser has so many possibilities that many people simply overlook, or are afraid to use. But it's a very very powerful tool, once you utilize all the options.

So think out of the box. Both as content providers and as consumers. You will get more bang for your buck :)

Well, my 0.02, for whatever it might worth...

The thing I find frustrating is that you have all these static props that are Studio specific. Is it too much to ask for even an obj version with textures that I can use in Poser? We have vendors out there who provide in both platforms, but suddenly it seems that others — ones who made the names and reputation off Poser users — are now exclusively Studio, despite requests otherwise. So fine, folks: give me an obj and some textures, and I'll do it myself. Why is that so difficult? Hell, even in Studio, you can export something out as a cr2 — is there some reason why vendors dont even want to do that much? We're not talking a lot of time involved in an export like that, are we?

SeanMartin posted at 7:54PM Mon, 05 March 2018 - #4325628

We have vendors out there who provide in both platforms, but suddenly it seems that others — ones who made the names and reputation off Poser users — are now exclusively Studio, despite requests otherwise.

I'm just going to say that Vendors, like anyone, make their reputation off their own work, quality and how they deal with others. They may have earned their income from Poser users initially, after all for a long time it was the only option. But earnings and reputation are different things. If they became Top Sellers with names that are easily recognized and garnered a good reputation it was due to the products they produced and/or how they handled customer issues, etc.

Most of them are still creating that same level of quality, they just switched software. If they aren't making their money from Poser users now there is probably a reason, which Rena hit on precisely.

"Vendors, like anyone, make their reputation off their own work, quality and how they deal with others"

I'll simply direct you to your third point and leave it at that.

But I would like an answer about why static props arent available in both platforms. Even if their primary income source is Studio, why would anyone want to ignore the potential secondary business?Hell, even Stonemason finally figured that one out.

I don't make props, but honestly it does seem like it would be feasible to at least include or offer an obj. Maybe it's a pricing issue here? If they added it to their product it might bump the pricing higher according to the requirements here and if they just offer it on it's own they might have to price it higher than they feel is feasible for an obj due to the minimum pricing?

Well, I do wish one of the vendors or the store staff here would address it, because it seems like a fairly simple deal.

Honestly, I have never thought about to add the objectfile or an cr2 to a Daz product, because it is a DAZ product. Honestly, why do you not Export the object by yourself ? It´s one click for an objectfile and the Export as cr2 is easy too. But it is not so easy to get the cr2 work in Poser. I have a lot of pieces i tried and they will not work after that converting. Poser will read the bones and weightmaps not correct and the scaling is not working too. And here start´s the -- i have to do the product again and start by 0. And than it is not the same Quality like in Daz, so i have to split the product in 2 ,than customers are crying..lalala That is a neverending Story. Years ago everyone was crying that i only do Poser stuff and can´t do the Daz files. At the end where is the fun for me as a developer when everyone is crying ? My 2 Cent

Sean Martin Did you tried this script

Exporter?

TrekkieGrrrl posted at 12:30PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325583

Also, props and scenes for Poser wilk at least load in DS. Not so the other way around. Poser can't read .daz or whatever they're called. But DS can open .pp2's.

So why cut yourself off from a big userbase by making everything DS exclusive? Be INCLUSIVE - and sell more!

Up until now I've not responded in this thread, but TrekkieGrrrl made a very good point. Poser compatible content CAN be used in DS. I don't have the most recent version of DS (haven't upgraded past DS4.0 Pro and the original Genesis), but I still have all the content installed which I purchased over the 8 years I was using DS2 and DS3 Advanced (my largest Runtime) exclusively, and I CAN access and use it all since getting back to Poser with P9 and PP11.

I could probably count on one hand the number of items I bought over those 8 years that were exclusively DS products, so I don't understand why products have to be made exclusively for DS, and not usable in Poser. That's just my 2¢, FWIW.

Miss B posted at 2:23PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325694

TrekkieGrrrl posted at 12:30PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325583

Also, props and scenes for Poser wilk at least load in DS. Not so the other way around. Poser can't read .daz or whatever they're called. But DS can open .pp2's.

So why cut yourself off from a big userbase by making everything DS exclusive? Be INCLUSIVE - and sell more!

Up until now I've not responded in this thread, but TrekkieGrrrl made a very good point. Poser compatible content CAN be used in DS. I don't have the most recent version of DS (haven't upgraded past DS4.0 Pro and the original Genesis), but I still have all the content installed which I purchased over the 8 years I was using DS2 and DS3 Advanced (my largest Runtime) exclusively, and I CAN access and use it all since getting back to Poser with P9 and PP11.

I could probably count on one hand the number of items I bought over those 8 years that were exclusively DS products, so I don't understand why products have to be made exclusively for DS, and not usable in Poser. That's just my 2¢, FWIW.

Not all content can, and in the past DS users had to take a chance when purchasing Poser items because none of them were tested in DS which meant no refunds if they didn't work. But it's not hard to understand why products are made in one program: Market share, figure used and return on investment. And with that, new users and vendors are entering the market and see no value in purchasing a program that won't allow them to reach the most customers, use the more popular figures or give them a monetary return on the time they spent converting a product to poser.. and that includes props.

Male_M3dia posted at 2:46PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325699

Miss B posted at 2:23PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325694

Up until now I've not responded in this thread, but TrekkieGrrrl made a very good point. Poser compatible content CAN be used in DS. I don't have the most recent version of DS (haven't upgraded past DS4.0 Pro and the original Genesis), but I still have all the content installed which I purchased over the 8 years I was using DS2 and DS3 Advanced (my largest Runtime) exclusively, and I CAN access and use it all since getting back to Poser with P9 and PP11.

I could probably count on one hand the number of items I bought over those 8 years that were exclusively DS products, so I don't understand why products have to be made exclusively for DS, and not usable in Poser. That's just my 2¢, FWIW.

Not all content can, and in the past DS users had to take a chance when purchasing Poser items because none of them were tested in DS which meant no refunds if they didn't work.

Well then, I must be one lucky individual, because I never had a problem with a Poser compatible item all the years I was working in DS exclusively.

Miss B posted at 6:55PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325700

Male_M3dia posted at 2:46PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325699

Miss B posted at 2:23PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325694

Up until now I've not responded in this thread, but TrekkieGrrrl made a very good point. Poser compatible content CAN be used in DS. I don't have the most recent version of DS (haven't upgraded past DS4.0 Pro and the original Genesis), but I still have all the content installed which I purchased over the 8 years I was using DS2 and DS3 Advanced (my largest Runtime) exclusively, and I CAN access and use it all since getting back to Poser with P9 and PP11.

I could probably count on one hand the number of items I bought over those 8 years that were exclusively DS products, so I don't understand why products have to be made exclusively for DS, and not usable in Poser. That's just my 2¢, FWIW.

Not all content can, and in the past DS users had to take a chance when purchasing Poser items because none of them were tested in DS which meant no refunds if they didn't work.

Well then, I must be one lucky individual, because I never had a problem with a Poser compatible item all the years I was working in DS exclusively.

Well they exist. I have several items where doors warp instead of open, hairs that show that it loads in scene list, but don't actually appear in the scene, pants that work fine in Poser but break when posed in DS... and that's money wasted.

ByteFactory3D posted at 12:18AM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325576

All our products are POSER content, lately including Superfly and Firefly support. The sales for Poser native content are (to say the least) poor during the past 4 or 5 years, but I stick with Poser because in my oppinion (over the past 15 years) Poser is the better software, in that it leaves all the liberty to the user, while DAZ-Studio has more and more closed up, using cryptografic file formats, preventing users from 'working under the hood, if they like'. I do use DAZ-Studio as a teacher at school, because for students a freeware software is just a good start. So I do know DAZ-Studio quite well. However I hate the philosophy of automatization and making things more and more complicated so that new users become completely depending on automated libraries and one click whatever, instead of learning a deeper understanding, looking into cr2 or obj files and learn how they work. So I tell my students, DAZ-Studio is fine for a quick first introduction and quickly getting 'click one button to quickly make pseudo art' solutions, but if you want to be in full control of everything, go for professional open software like Poser, or even Lightwave, because they don't restrict you with cryptic file formats which can nowhere be found documented... Even Firefly can use PBR materials, Superfly even more, and if you want more you can still go for Lux-Render (through Reality plugin or whatever else), Poser leaves you all the liberty. My 5 pennies, sorry for my anger, am frustrated about the aggressive marketing strategy of DAZ spilling DAZ-Studio for free to make customers depending on their expensive content, and to starve good professional software from the market. Monopoly at its worst... I'm now abandoning content creation as a real income. But I prefer giving up instead of surrendering to DAZ. Others may chose the money instead, its fine, its everybody's individual choice. The Project E character is a killer, it is what was needed so desperately for Poser. A male character of the same make would be all there is needed for the next years to make awsome use in Poser. But still there are customers who are just too lazy to learn a little about handling 3D content, and who prefer the 'one click fully automized' environment in DAZ-Studio. Telling 'I want to make art, but I don't want to learn or read a manual, my art must come out of the machine with a single click of a button. Automated clothing, automated pose, automates lighting, automated camera position, am I not such a great artist???'. Wonderful new world of DAZ Studio, congratulations.

What you are writing here is an Insult to all Daz Studio users. I do not think you actually worked with Daz Studio if you had you would not write such utter nonsense. I am a Daz Studio user, but I worked with Poser for years. I know both programs but Daz Studio is the program I chose to use. I have not yet found the instant Art button in Daz Studio of which you seem to speak. Petra

I have also been trying to stay out of this thread as it seems to me not a lot more than an extension of the software wars that have boiled over around these forums for so long and that Renderosity has worked so hard to stamp out in the interests of a cohesive community that supports many different artists, platforms and content creators.

Firstly there seems an ideal solution that no one seems to want to touch. Why does Smith Micro not work to make Poser support DS content? It seems like a win win to me. Daz 3D sells more content to a broader market. Poserphiles can use their preferred platform with access to a wealth of content that grows larger everyday. I really cannot see the negatives that many seem to conjure up for this outcome? Each businesses marketing strategy is clearly complementary and not competitive. Why are you asking many vendors to shift their focus instead of asking SM to provide broader compatibility with their platform that you are paying for? I really don’t understand. In the past I have been told by many dedicated Poser users that ‘Poser users don’t need content as they prefer to make their own’. But I see thread after thread begging for that very same content…

As far as the idea of making a Poser product first and then porting to DS as an ideal. There are so many DS functions these days that are not supported within native Poser file types. It really makes no sense for someone who is targeting the DS market to create a product for a different application and then wrangle it into DS with limited capabilities to keep an entirely different market sector happy. Surely the best DS products will always be made native to DS and take advantage of the advanced features within DS such as Instancing, LAMH, Geografting, Geoshells, Dforce, Iray shaders, Genesis 8 figures etc,etc. As would the best Poser products be made native in Poser. Until there is some parity in platform compatibility, there will always be a growing division in content support.

Also there are no real clear reasons to include .obj files in products when DS is free and can export many different formats with various options including obj, Collada, Poser Cr2 files, fbx, u3d. And if for some reason you do not want to install DS there are 3rd party stand alone applications available that can extract .obj data from daz native files. Where is the value in adding extra work to each vendor and larger demand for product file storage for Renderosity and other markets, in a process that can be completed by the end user to a greater degree of accuracy to requirement in just a few seconds? I'm sorry I also do not understand this request.

Personally, I find it a little humiliating to see vendors needing to declare their fealty here to the Poser overlord or risk the wrath of the purists who cannot understand why a content developer needs to adapt and progress in their own art and creativity to thrive and to continue to be a success. Why that very act is healthy and normal, not some kind of betrayal. Some members in this community have continued to reinforce a rift between the DS and Poser community for far too long with no positive outcome as can be seen by threads like these. Maybe it’s time for some to consider a change in tact? How about asking Smith Micro to add a broader level of support to the platform that you are paying for. Seems to me this would be the ideal solution to the issues presented here. Or am I missing something?

Just my 2 cents.

Karth posted at 12:26AM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325672

Honestly, I have never thought about to add the objectfile or an cr2 to a Daz product, because it is a DAZ product. Honestly, why do you not Export the object by yourself ? It´s one click for an objectfile and the Export as cr2 is easy too. But it is not so easy to get the cr2 work in Poser. I have a lot of pieces i tried and they will not work after that converting. Poser will read the bones and weightmaps not correct and the scaling is not working too. And here start´s the -- i have to do the product again and start by 0. And than it is not the same Quality like in Daz, so i have to split the product in 2 ,than customers are crying..lalala That is a neverending Story. Years ago everyone was crying that i only do Poser stuff and can´t do the Daz files. At the end where is the fun for me as a developer when everyone is crying ? My 2 Cent

Amen to that, you explained it very well.

I dread opening an email with "new products" advertised only to find out there are no poser things. I see so many beautiful V4 clothing in the market place for studio only. well, it does help me avoid purchasing too many things

Raindroptheelf 

Sorry!

We could not find any products for the specified criteria at this time.

I checked for your products and found none in the marketplace. I have liked your art for years and had no idea that you were a vendor.

Richardphotos posted at 2:46AM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325725

Raindroptheelf

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Sorry!

We could not find any products for the specified criteria at this time.

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I checked for your products and found none in the marketplace. I have liked your art for years and had no idea that you were a vendor.

I am not a Vendor, just render as hobby. Petra

I had to chuckle at the one comment about "poser wars" or some such...this is NOT a 'rant' or WAR-ish thread...it's simply me, expressing my frustration and the very real NEED for more poser content, and also asking clearly what I (personally) would like that content to be... it's up to the merchants.... I just wanted to speak up. :)

and just FYI... I snap up the scenery and some of the building PROPS for POSER... as they are quite wonderful... and so yes, I'm very happy that those folks make high quality props for poser... I JUST put up a new art piece with ShaaraMuse's newest prop scenery... I've also bought santuziy78's rooms OFTEN and enjoyed using them...and of course coflek-gnorg super nice props!!

I just have to repeat...there's no weight mapping worries in doing SKINS/CHARACTERS .... so I'm standing here, cash in hand for my favorite merchants to do those for Dawn and Dusk! I truly believe there is a NICE market for these....everyone always wants one more character for their humans! :) waves vigerously at venders who HAVE done work in Poser formant: Maddelirium, P3Design, Mihrelle, and GODIN!! :)

Lyne posted at 7:18AM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325728

I had to chuckle at the one comment about "poser wars" or some such...this is NOT a 'rant' or WAR-ish thread...it's simply me, expressing my frustration and the very real NEED for more poser content, and also asking clearly what I (personally) would like that content to be... it's up to the merchants.... I just wanted to speak up. :)

It's not up to the merchants. The merchants are already responding to paying customer needs that pay their bills in the marketplace. For years, these threads have been complaining to the wrong people; either it was DAZ, the brokerages like Rendo, and vendors, but never the actual entity that's needed to be taken to task: Smith Micro. They are your software provider, and if you're not getting what you need, you have to complain to them. Really this is where you should direct your requests. If vendors have to make products in other software to be competitive enough to pay bills, then it's up to Smith Micro to change the software so that vendors can make products that you want and pays their bills. You should probably contact SM directly because they've been silent for months and you're paying them for a service.

Miss B posted at 6:36PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325700

Male_M3dia posted at 2:46PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325699

Miss B posted at 2:23PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325694

Up until now I've not responded in this thread, but TrekkieGrrrl made a very good point. Poser compatible content CAN be used in DS. I don't have the most recent version of DS (haven't upgraded past DS4.0 Pro and the original Genesis), but I still have all the content installed which I purchased over the 8 years I was using DS2 and DS3 Advanced (my largest Runtime) exclusively, and I CAN access and use it all since getting back to Poser with P9 and PP11.

I could probably count on one hand the number of items I bought over those 8 years that were exclusively DS products, so I don't understand why products have to be made exclusively for DS, and not usable in Poser. That's just my 2¢, FWIW.

Not all content can, and in the past DS users had to take a chance when purchasing Poser items because none of them were tested in DS which meant no refunds if they didn't work.

Well then, I must be one lucky individual, because I never had a problem with a Poser compatible item all the years I was working in DS exclusively.

DS has changed a great deal in the last few years. There are numerous products created for Poser that do not work in DS, anything weightmapped anything using Poser procedurals and other things, As a Dawn Dusk user I'm surprised that you are not aware of this, 2 separate products have to be created to support the different programs.

Raindroptheelf posted at 6:39PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325718

ByteFactory3D posted at 12:18AM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325576

All our products are POSER content, lately including Superfly and Firefly support. The sales for Poser native content are (to say the least) poor during the past 4 or 5 years, but I stick with Poser because in my oppinion (over the past 15 years) Poser is the better software, in that it leaves all the liberty to the user, while DAZ-Studio has more and more closed up, using cryptografic file formats, preventing users from 'working under the hood, if they like'. I do use DAZ-Studio as a teacher at school, because for students a freeware software is just a good start. So I do know DAZ-Studio quite well. However I hate the philosophy of automatization and making things more and more complicated so that new users become completely depending on automated libraries and one click whatever, instead of learning a deeper understanding, looking into cr2 or obj files and learn how they work. So I tell my students, DAZ-Studio is fine for a quick first introduction and quickly getting 'click one button to quickly make pseudo art' solutions, but if you want to be in full control of everything, go for professional open software like Poser, or even Lightwave, because they don't restrict you with cryptic file formats which can nowhere be found documented... Even Firefly can use PBR materials, Superfly even more, and if you want more you can still go for Lux-Render (through Reality plugin or whatever else), Poser leaves you all the liberty. My 5 pennies, sorry for my anger, am frustrated about the aggressive marketing strategy of DAZ spilling DAZ-Studio for free to make customers depending on their expensive content, and to starve good professional software from the market. Monopoly at its worst... I'm now abandoning content creation as a real income. But I prefer giving up instead of surrendering to DAZ. Others may chose the money instead, its fine, its everybody's individual choice. The Project E character is a killer, it is what was needed so desperately for Poser. A male character of the same make would be all there is needed for the next years to make awsome use in Poser. But still there are customers who are just too lazy to learn a little about handling 3D content, and who prefer the 'one click fully automized' environment in DAZ-Studio. Telling 'I want to make art, but I don't want to learn or read a manual, my art must come out of the machine with a single click of a button. Automated clothing, automated pose, automates lighting, automated camera position, am I not such a great artist???'. Wonderful new world of DAZ Studio, congratulations.

What you are writing here is an Insult to all Daz Studio users. I do not think you actually worked with Daz Studio if you had you would not write such utter nonsense. I am a Daz Studio user, but I worked with Poser for years. I know both programs but Daz Studio is the program I chose to use. I have not yet found the instant Art button in Daz Studio of which you seem to speak. Petra

Well said Petra.

I'd like to see us NOT compairing sales and availability for products for a specific program so much. It invites software wars. Let's all agree that there are both combination and separate markets for DS and Poser. Let the "war" and who sells more, drop please. I do want to see more Poser, I'm primarily a Poser user. I'm not going to whine and bash DS to do it nor do I want to see DS users do the same to Poser. Relax ... we have our own niches. Let's let it be.

tparo posted at 6:27PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325745

Miss B posted at 6:36PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325700

Male_M3dia posted at 2:46PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325699

Not all content can, and in the past DS users had to take a chance when purchasing Poser items because none of them were tested in DS which meant no refunds if they didn't work.

Well then, I must be one lucky individual, because I never had a problem with a Poser compatible item all the years I was working in DS exclusively.

DS has changed a great deal in the last few years. There are numerous products created for Poser that do not work in DS, anything weightmapped anything using Poser procedurals and other things, As a Dawn Dusk user I'm surprised that you are not aware of this, 2 separate products have to be created to support the different programs.

Oh I understand, but as I had mentioned in an earlier post, I stopped updating DS with 4.0 Pro, so those who are using DS earlier than 4.5 could, and still can, use Poser compatible content in those earlier versions of DS.

I also understand that most DS users who have been using it for only a few years, and certainly those who are brand new to DS and 3D in general, will not have been able to make that comparison since they never used the earlier versions. My statement was related to my earlier versions of DS, and I never said those Poser compatible products would be usable in the latest versions of DS. It was just my experience with the software I use.

Lyne posted at 9:57AM Thu, 08 March 2018 - #4325728

I had to chuckle at the one comment about "poser wars" or some such...this is NOT a 'rant' or WAR-ish thread...it's simply me, expressing my frustration and the very real NEED for more poser content, and also asking clearly what I (personally) would like that content to be... it's up to the merchants.... I just wanted to speak up. :)

It may not seem like much trouble to yourself but there have already been numerous posts in this thread, that if said the other way around would have most likely seen the poster facing a ban, as has occurred in the past in these forums. Saying something like "and to me the SERIOUS artist prefer Poser." is not much more than flame baiting and pushes very closely on the TOS from what I can tell. What this is really saying is that your directly comparing DS with Poser, and DS is not for the serious artist, right? This sentiment has been repeated numerous times in this thread such as with this statement by ByteFactory3D " and who prefer the 'one click fully automized' environment in DAZ-Studio. Telling 'I want to make art, but I don't want to learn" or "DAZ-Studio is fine for a quick first introduction and quickly getting 'click one button to quickly make pseudo art' solutions". So already in this thread about the faltering of Poser content, DS users have been painted as not serious, Pseudo artists who don't wan't to learn and are happy with a non creative "Make art" environment? Sounds productive and positive, right?

Miss B posted at 7:23PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325754

tparo posted at 6:27PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325745

Miss B posted at 6:36PM Wed, 07 March 2018 - #4325700

Male_M3dia posted at 2:46PM Tue, 06 March 2018 - #4325699

Not all content can, and in the past DS users had to take a chance when purchasing Poser items because none of them were tested in DS which meant no refunds if they didn't work.

Well then, I must be one lucky individual, because I never had a problem with a Poser compatible item all the years I was working in DS exclusively.

DS has changed a great deal in the last few years. There are numerous products created for Poser that do not work in DS, anything weightmapped anything using Poser procedurals and other things, As a Dawn Dusk user I'm surprised that you are not aware of this, 2 separate products have to be created to support the different programs.

Oh I understand, but as I had mentioned in an earlier post, I stopped updating DS with 4.0 Pro, so those who are using DS earlier than 4.5 could, and still can, use Poser compatible content in those earlier versions of DS.

I also understand that most DS users who have been using it for only a few years, and certainly those who are brand new to DS and 3D in general, will not have been able to make that comparison since they never used the earlier versions. My statement was related to my earlier versions of DS, and I never said those Poser compatible products would be usable in the latest versions of DS. It was just my experience with the software I use.

In my post, I spoke of Poser products that didn't work in DS3. Last year I did salvage a M4 outfit that worked fine in Poser but warped when posed by exporting the object and then rigging it to genesis when i imported the obj back in. The other products that had issues that I spoke of were because the mesh wasn't actually broken apart on the props in a modeller but done in Poser, which caused the warping when you tried to open doors in DS. DS doesn't break apart grouped items when imported so it was unusable. Whether it was in DS3 or DS4 had no bearing on if a product was made a certain way it won't work in DS at all.

My store is filled with Poser products AND new Poser only products weekly based

Did you miss it ..?? Follow my store and you won't miss a thing

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/DIGIpixel/?AID=417

Have special products requests ..?? Feel free to drop me a note through Rendo sitemail .. If it suits my store I might make you even more happy ..

Currently there's a weekly Poser VGS going on includes lots of Poser products from many different vendors ..

https://www.renderosity.com/march-2018---poser-weekly-vgs---2nd-round-cms-19985

I just put a brand new V4 clothing set, chock full of morphs and Poser only on my store. Take a look. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/Adompha

Le sigh.. While I DO appreciate the effort made for the weekly Poser VGS, for the love of Kthulu, why is it full of Genesis items, for the 3rd week in a row??

DreaminGirl posted at 5:12AM Fri, 09 March 2018 - #4325824

Le sigh.. While I DO appreciate the effort made for the weekly Poser VGS, for the love of Kthulu, why is it full of Genesis items, for the 3rd week in a row??

Just went browsing and most I see is for Victoria and Dawn and lots of scenery as well. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/?TopID=729430

Genesis and Genesis 2 are Poser compatible and therefore the items included in the sales are Poser created products for these ladies ..

First page is filled with stuff for G3.. And none of the genesis models are compatible with Poser without a 3rd party plugin, so no, it doesn't belong there. You might as well put in stuff for 3DS Max and a load of other 'standard' fileformats, as Poser can import them without any plugins ?

DreaminGirl posted at 5:24PM Fri, 09 March 2018 - #4325826

First page is filled with stuff for G3.. And none of the genesis models are compatible with Poser without a 3rd party plugin, so no, it doesn't belong there. You might as well put in stuff for 3DS Max and a load of other 'standard' fileformats, as Poser can import them without any plugins ?

Yep! Deffo not many poser products on the first page. Totally in the wrong sale.

@DreaminGirl & @ghostman

Lol, so the use of plugins for content is the main issue now... Poser is built on many 3rd party components that hold the app together such as render engines, opengl, subdivision, dynamic clothing, bullet physics etc etc I believe Poser 11 lists over 30 third party contributors to what comes in the box as part of what is called Poser 11.

I don't really think the fact that Genesis requires a plugin to function is the issue and if it was then I am sure you would support asking SM for Native Genesis support, right? You could almost swear the issue here is more that you have a grudge against Daz 3D and it annoys you to see Genesis 3 products for Poser instead of products that meet your own personal preference? I'm not honestly sure why you have an issue with content creators creating a certain product type for Poser even if you don't desire it. If others are willing to purchase and request that kind of product what difference does it make to you?

From what I can see many products here require other 3rd party products to function correctly in an app, from figures to specific plugins or resources. Ever consider that maybe the consistent attacks of this kind may do more harm to the Poser content market then they ever could possibly do any good? Again just my 2 cents, feel free to continue cudgelling if that's what you think will work.

I do understand the frustration of the Poser Uses, but, not too long ago it was the other way round and we saw threads like this from the Daz Studio Users as not much DS content was out there. The change has to come from SM and not the Vendors. If I where a Vendor who wants to make money, I would create for what is most wanted and from what I can see, it is Daz Studio Content. Several Vendors, over time, have posted that they had created products for Poser too but they did not sell very well, so, I do understand that Vendors create Products they know will sell well. Vendors have bills to pay just as we do. You would not take a job that pays less than the job you are doing now would you? Petra

MightyMike's products in the Poser VGS sale are clearly marked as DS only and do not come in a format Poser can read and have no poser materials. They clearly do not belong in a Poser product sale.

Now I see it .. not sure why or how come ..

To be honest, who is or isn't in the sale is utterly inconsequential.

What actually matters is that you're actually throwing monetary support behind your Poser vendors. It shouldn't matter one bit if you're actually buying the Poser products, whether they're on the sale or not. That's really the issue here.

As for the Poser Products sale...we got hundreds of ID's in from vendors which we then sort into groups for new sales every 4 days. We sent out specific instructions that items submitted for this sale were to be for Poser only. But we do not have the staff required to check EVERY ID we are sent. We trust our vendors to send us the right ones. If there ae items in the Poser sale that should not be, we are sorry. But it is truly out of our control as we just cannot police every ID we are sent. We do our very best, but if we had to check every ID then we probably wouldn't be able to do these types of sales at all or at least not very often.

Thanks for pointing it out wimvdb... that is the vendor's fault for submitting ID(s) that do not belong to the sale. Unfortunately we can't check one by one as we get thousands! :(

Rena

woo hooo!! I just RE-discovered threedplayer's store... had bought one dynamic outfit that would work on Dawn a while back and somehow missed seeing how many nice pieces this merchant added... so bought and wish listed his/her nearly all~! AND wrote a thank you note to this merchant. :)

DIGIpixel posted at 5:29PM Sun, 11 March 2018 - #4325770

My store is filled with Poser products AND new Poser only products weekly based

Did you miss it ..?? Follow my store and you won't miss a thing

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/DIGIpixel/?AID=417

Have special products requests ..?? Feel free to drop me a note through Rendo sitemail .. If it suits my store I might make you even more happy ..

I just grabbed your roses head crown (cause I can make the horns invisible in material room, I'm sure) and I have bought some of your other products. Hair made for V4 can very often be fitted fast and easily to Dawn. Thanks for your products! :)

Just to be clear, I've often told DS artists in a message, how I WISH my brain would 'work' with DS, that I LOVE their art, the gorgeous lighting, the amazing quality... recently I downloaded and tried (AGAIN) to get my brain to understand DS...and just had SADLY to give up... it's my brain connections (or dis-connections) that are the problem, or I would be using BOTH softwares....

So for me, now, it's the limited time I have to do 3d art, my age, my life stuff that makes it easier to continue what I 'grew up with' (ie: poser since poser 2 for PC).... AND I love Rendo, it's been my 'home' for nearly that long too... I'm just speaking up for the need for content... and especially CHARACTERS for Dawn and Dusk...

Thanks folks, great participation here!

PS... I DO talk to poser makers, people trying to work in it...the programmers are going to do what THEY want to do (one reason I will NOT go to Poser 11- for ME it does not give me the things I would like poser to do!...kinda like when Mircosoft makes a new version of Windows... sometimes it's a DOG of a thing they try and force on folks, and sometimes it's great... I think PERSONALLY that SmithMicro stumbled with P11 - especially NOT making it totally backward compatible...changing the material room, the way pythons work, etc... BUT that's another thread topic.)

Wow, a lot of good words here. I have not said much over the past few years, really since we closed our store. I can’t speak about what vendors are doing now, but I can speak that I actually use DS almost exclusively, however I will use Poser for other things I just can’t say goodbye too. I know all my models work great inside of DS, all parameters work etc. I have been studying the whys and what of DS and found that if you add the runtime to the DS library everything works just like Poser. Once I load items, I easily convert items to Iray and render away. I don’t install directly to the DS content I let DS do the converting and I have never had any issues. Not sure I understand what the problem is. You can still use Poser content in DS. Now about Poser I still use it because I have invested a lot in Poser products, and the materials I purchased I still do love using.

I will still purchase items for Poser and DS, of course the cost is an issue for me on both DS and Poser now, so I have to choose wisely due to finance,but I am not alone there.

To put it simply, you can use Poser in DS and the other way around if you learn how. I have been even learning how to convert my dynamic cloth from Poser to DS easily with the dforce engine. Just have to be patient and learn. I won’t throw out my Poser products when I can still use them in DS.

Both types can be sold and used, and appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Lyne makes a good point about the HiveWire figures. I don't know why the Poser community didn't more fully embrace them. I've been working with DS since 2007 -- I have Poser 10, but can't seem to get the hang of it -- and use all the figures I have, from M4/V4 to the current Genesis 8. I even broke out M3 not too long ago.

I use Dawn, Dusk, and Luna frequently and find them as serviceable as any of the Genesis figures. There are differences, some pros-and-cons, but they're solid figures with a dedicated team behind them.

mmalbert posted at 5:05PM Sat, 17 March 2018 - #4326232

Lyne makes a good point about the HiveWire figures. I don't know why the Poser community didn't more fully embrace them.

To be honest, there's an actual answer to that. But the answer would surely cause fights and be against the TOS. But simply, no they're not the same, so there's been no push by customers to invest in them. But I've seen 2 major pushes by this store to release that content for those figures, but looking at the "what's hot" during that time, the sales weren't there to support vendors doing more content.

ByteFactory3D posted at 5:27PM Mon, 19 March 2018 - #4325576

DAZ-Studio has more and more closed up, using cryptografic file formats, preventing users from 'working under the hood, if they like'

Because you do not know how to do something doesn't make that statement a fact just means...you do not know how to.

I do use DAZ-Studio as a teacher at school, because for students a freeware software is just a good start.

Really? tell Blender users your feelings on free software and there place as just a "start"

So I tell my students, DAZ-Studio is fine for a quick first introduction and quickly getting 'click one button to quickly make pseudo art' solutions, but if you want to be in full control of everything, go for professional open software like Poser, or even Lightwave, because they don't restrict you with cryptic file formats which can nowhere be found documented.

****you confused me here..Lightwave and Poser have nothing to do with each other one you can actually create (model and much more) things in the other you can move around things which where created in/from a program like lightwave and every program can export OBJ..hell cr2 to me is cryptic cause I cant import that into any of my 3D modeling program, and did you just call art created in studio pseudo art' solutions? fake art...really? wheres the real art at then ? it just boggles my mind the high and mighty way of thinking of some of you people.

But still there are customers who are just too lazy to learn a little about handling 3D content, and who prefer the 'one click fully automized' environment in DAZ-Studio. Telling 'I want to make art, but I don't want to learn or read a manual, my art must come out of the machine with a single click of a button. Automated clothing, automated pose, automates lighting, automated camera position, am I not such a great artist?

**I dont know about that but I think your not such a great person and here why. No matter who you are or think you are, You will always find people who dont know either program very well and dont really want to dive all into it...just create something and there is ALWAYS someone that much better than you no matter WHO you are or think you are.so sometimes its best to be humble. If someone just want's to click load/render and that's it ! That's their right its not laziness not all the other stuff ALL you high and mighty individuals want to call them.Its about them enjoying what they do or their process of creating an image. you have all types and ages who use both programs it is not a professional program like you may think made only for "professionals" I have had old and young experienced and new people contact me for stuff all the time and mothers who's autistic 10 year old asked me for toons to use in Poser you think she gives a shit about "diving in to the program no..he enjoys it and thats all that matters,all type from all walks of life enjoy both programs just not the ones who been here ....a little too long it seems. Thank God you dont work for the PR section of any of those programs. Next time keep what you think is a "3D artist" to yourself no one cares.I could load and render a sphere and that would make that image done by a 3D artist. And for the record because I know some people may think oh he's a Studio artist..wrong I'm a 2D Artist who decided to create 3D figures of things I have done in Maya/Softimage/Blender/Houdini/ and USE all of them to include Studio and Poser.and sold on both platforms..so yeah I know them both also very well.

Sorry to everyone else for my feelings on this individuals post. **

OK, WOW! I just now joined Prime (and I could use the coupon on it?! THANKS Team!!!!!!!!!) so I could buy MORE **Poser content **on special Prime sale prices (Apple Jack's stuff) when I realized that Prime is at such a good price... and NOW, my 'pending points' are REALLY high, so soon I can use more rewards too....YAY!!!!!!

PS, been writing Thank You for making Poser content notes to the merchant's who's Poser products I'm buying.... :)

I am a pretty heavy buyer of content, and while I have used both Poser and D/S I vastly prefer D/S. Poser always seemed more difficult to work with, and I stopped updating it in 2012. In any case, I do buy a lot of poser props and environments - I can handle reshading them without a problem, it usually isn't necessary. What everybody is complaining about is the figures though - and Genesis 3 and 8 don't work in Poser because of some nefarious scheme by DAZ to destroy Poser, it's because Smith Micro can't be bothered to supply support for the figures. DAZ is in the business of selling content, who's program it is used in doesn't matter to them. Male_M3dia is completely correct, the place you should be sending those cards and letters to complaining about a lack of content for Poser is Smith Micro.

The wacky thing here is that Smith Micro doesn't create content, and really haven't put much time and effort into creating a market for it either, Content Paradise is woefully out of date. So they aren't in competition with DAZ either. It shouldn't matter to them who creates third party content.

So, you want content that works in Poser? You need to talk to the guys that maintain Poser to make them include support for content. That would be Smith Micro.