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Subject: Renderosity Acquires Poser Software
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 11:46PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354604
Bashing La Femme an a thread where Rendo is announcing Poser is getting really old and this is coming from a DAZ / Genesis user. Give it a rest please. This isn't really the right place to discuss the relative merits of the model.
Agreed. One, this isn't the thread for it and two, there is constructive criticism and criticism that isn't. It's ok to voice what you think are flaws, but there's no need to insult people who worked hard on it to get your point across. If you choose your words more carefully you may get a more positive response.
Laurie
Oh. That's how it's done? Thanks!
Deecey posted at 10:57PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354607
BernieFB posted at 11:35PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354605
Hi. I recently upgraded from the non-Pro 11. Where's the PoserFusion plugin download link? Is it now included in the support files from the Download Manager?
You should have received four separate serial numbers in your order for Poser Fusion (one serial number per supported 3D application). Simply enter one of the serial numbers in Download Manager and you will be able to download all four versions. To activate, install the plugin, and then when you are prompted to activate in the host application use the serial number that is applicable to the version you want to use.
In Fact, there is a thread a little further down titled "Poser Content". I actually started it to get constructive criticism from people who do believe that Poser Content is lacking in some way. I encourage you to post your concerns there. However, I also encourage people to tell WHY they believe that content is good or bad. Telling a creator that their default figure "fell into a tree and was hit with an ugly stick" helps no one. Just as you wouldn't want any one to tell your sister that. You'd want them to tell her how she could improve. We ask that you take time to consider what you believe will IMPROVE the figure, fewer polygons? More polygons? More morphs?
What the hell is going on here????
I am Carrara user BTW use DAZ studio and Poser to get content into my software of choice, use lots of Content from Renderosity, DAZ 3D, Reallusion, Mixamo/Fuse Makehuman whatever I can get my hands on basically, thought this was about software not content though hopefully more compatibility does ensue as none it works well in my prefered app, I like legacy Poser stuff best but used to doing workarounds.
I find Poser an extremely useful tool in my workflow and hope to see it further developed and was excited Bondware bought it, wish the content squabbling did not need to be part of this, am hoping people will write great python scripts to do more things with Superfly actually myself regardless of content used.
qaz posted at 8:12AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354503
An on line dating company did a study to show that men have a very high degree of agreement on what they consider attractive. If I dont think a woman is attractive, I can be pretty sure most other men will share my opinion. That's what the studies show. Google is your friend.
The studies you reference are extremely limited and flawed.
Years back, there were a couple of much-hyped studies that found that there was a universal ideal of beauty, that men found attractive. In particular, it found a particular ratio of bust to waist to hips was preferred over decades, even though the weight of the ideal woman changed drastically.
But when you looked closer, there were serious issues. One study used Playboy centerfolds. The other asked male American college students to pick the most attractive figure. Both Playbay readers and US college students tend to be white males, better off than average. This sample was not even typical of the U.S., let alone the world.
Further studies found that different ethnic groups and different countries do in fact have differing standards of beauty.
Apparently, your ideal is northern European. Which is fine...but do you really believe that men in Asia and Africa are sadly settling for ugly women, since Ulrikas are few and far between there? Or could it be that people in other countries look different precisely because the standards of beauty differ there?
See here for a concrete example of how beauty standards differ. It's one woman, Photoshopped to be beautiful in 18 different countries.
Victoria 4 is not particularly attractive out of the box. What made her popular was the huge amount of support she had, which made it possible to make her look the way individual users wanted her to look.
Which gets to the point of why I use Genesis. And Poser may well do the same thing, if it does, no commercial PA is using it. It isn't the out of the box figure, it's the morphing ability. I do comics, and I need loads of odd creatures for them. The point of Genesis is that you can morph it into about any shape you want, and most of the clothes and accessories will auto-follow. Not to the point of realism in extreme shapes, but If I put an Ogre in a Tuxedo or a Ballet Outfit I am not looking for photo realism. Rawart and Joe Quick are masters at making that base shape do anything they want, and there are others almost as good. If a stand alone figure has loads of support, I use them also. Hein and Frankie come to mind. But if I want to dress up a frog I use Genesis and the Joe Quick Frog, If I want one just to do the Warner Brothers thing in the Tophat I use Toon Frog - there is very little else it can wear. For the type of work I do, that's what I would need to come back to Poser. It wouldn't mean you have to import Genesis, though that is one way of getting there. It does mean you need that class of object, and the scripts that go with it.
For those of us that buy the content though, that's what we are looking for. We don't have time to create the objects, we want to do pictures or illustrated stories or movies, we aren't going to take the time to make much in the way of content. If Rendo wants to increase the Poser user base it's going to need to keep that in mind. The tools for the content creators need to be there and be good. But if the content creators want to sell content they need to have somebody to sell it to. That would be people like me.
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 10:13AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354641
Which gets to the point of why I use Genesis. And Poser may well do the same thing, if it does, no commercial PA is using it. It isn't the out of the box figure, it's the morphing ability. I do comics, and I need loads of odd creatures for them. The point of Genesis is that you can morph it into about any shape you want, and most of the clothes and accessories will auto-follow. Not to the point of realism in extreme shapes, but If I put an Ogre in a Tuxedo or a Ballet Outfit I am not looking for photo realism. Rawart and Joe Quick are masters at making that base shape do anything they want, and there are others almost as good. If a stand alone figure has loads of support, I use them also. Hein and Frankie come to mind. But if I want to dress up a frog I use Genesis and the Joe Quick Frog, If I want one just to do the Warner Brothers thing in the Tophat I use Toon Frog - there is very little else it can wear. For the type of work I do, that's what I would need to come back to Poser. It wouldn't mean you have to import Genesis, though that is one way of getting there. It does mean you need that class of object, and the scripts that go with it.
For those of us that buy the content though, that's what we are looking for. We don't have time to create the objects, we want to do pictures or illustrated stories or movies, we aren't going to take the time to make much in the way of content. If Rendo wants to increase the Poser user base it's going to need to keep that in mind. The tools for the content creators need to be there and be good. But if the content creators want to sell content they need to have somebody to sell it to. That would be people like me.
Actually, La Femme and her content are selling very well. She has plenty of customers which is why vendors keep producing content for her.
Now, that's not to say we would turn away anyone who wishes to ride the train, but she's an extremely popular figure.
randym77 posted at 8:33AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354639
qaz posted at 8:12AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354503
An on line dating company did a study to show that men have a very high degree of agreement on what they consider attractive. If I dont think a woman is attractive, I can be pretty sure most other men will share my opinion. That's what the studies show. Google is your friend.
The studies you reference are extremely limited and flawed.
Years back, there were a couple of much-hyped studies that found that there was a universal ideal of beauty, that men found attractive. In particular, it found a particular ratio of bust to waist to hips was preferred over decades, even though the weight of the ideal woman changed drastically.
But when you looked closer, there were serious issues. One study used Playboy centerfolds. The other asked male American college students to pick the most attractive figure. Both Playbay readers and US college students tend to be white males, better off than average. This sample was not even typical of the U.S., let alone the world.
Further studies found that different ethnic groups and different countries do in fact have differing standards of beauty.
Apparently, your ideal is northern European. Which is fine...but do you really believe that men in Asia and Africa are sadly settling for ugly women, since Ulrikas are few and far between there? Or could it be that people in other countries look different precisely because the standards of beauty differ there?
See here for a concrete example of how beauty standards differ. It's one woman, Photoshopped to be beautiful in 18 different countries.
Victoria 4 is not particularly attractive out of the box. What made her popular was the huge amount of support she had, which made it possible to make her look the way individual users wanted her to look.
On line dating websites like OK Cupid have enormous data sets for their research. We are talking many tens of thousands. They know that the photo is the only metric for whether you pick someone, personality is worthless, and they know exactly who has been picked, and by how many. The members also include score ratings for each of the contacts, so we get a very precise idea what constitutes a 4 or a 7. They can even measure the outliers who do not have a high degree of correlation on observed attraction and suggest why that is. They are using normal people. They can take into account the variables such as age and race and measure how that affects their attractiveness to their own race and to other races.
So yes we also know how attractive people are to their own race, and also to how attractive they are to other races. Hint - If you are a man don't be asian. There isn't really any doubt. There is a VERY high correlation of agreement as to what people consider attractive, and we know what that is.
I suggest you do more research.
As far as V4 is concerned, she was by far the best rigged character at that time and she looked more human than V3 .It didn't take long for people to move to V4 and begin morphing her. If you look at default Genesis 8 and V4, they are very close with Genesis 8 a little more natural. The closer the default shape is to either of these 2 the easier to create morphs. That is a fact, and probably why so few people attempt to morph La Femme at all. At the end of the day, she is a piece of clay, so it is possible to get reasonable results,and indeed that is what I'm working on.
qaz posted at 9:37AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354650
On line dating websites like OK Cupid have enormous data sets for their research. We are talking many tens of thousands.
But it's still a very limited sample. Just the fact that they are people using a dating app - and that particular app - means there's self-selection happening.
There isn't really any doubt. There is a VERY high correlation of agreement as to what people consider attractive, and we know what that is.
What you said does not support that at all. Unless you're suggesting they think Asian men are ugly in, say, Japan.
I suggest you do more research.
Is it really necessary for you to say condescending things like that? Do they help the discourse at all?
As far as V4 is concerned, she was by far the best rigged character at that time and she looked more human than V3 .It didn't take long for people to move to V4 and begin morphing her. If you look at default Genesis 8 and V4, they are very close with Genesis 8 a little more natural. The closer the default shape is to either of these 2 the easier to create morphs. That is a fact, and probably why so few people attempt to morph La Femme at all. At the end of the day, she is a piece of clay, so it is possible to get reasonable results,and indeed that is what I'm working on.
I think V4's success had a lot more to do with DAZ's marketing than with anything intrinsic in her modeling. Not saying she was bad, just that the DAZ marketing machine would have steamrolled any other figure, no matter how good. Because it's support that matters, as we've seen time and again. And DAZ is all about support; it's their business model. The software and the figures are means to sell add-ons (clothing, textures, characters, etc.).
If you think La Femme is difficult for you to morph, fine. That's an entirely different argument than saying she's ugly, and implying that those of us who disagree are either clueless or disingenuous.
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:01PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354664
This is the kind of stuff to do. These are all Genesis 8 characters. This is the kind of content I would need to be able to get in Poser. That Hedgehog, believe it or not, is a Genesis 8 Female, and can wear the clothes.
And, if you want to use Genesis 8 in Poser, then you should be at DAZ making that request there. No one BUT DAZ can make that possible.
Topic: Renderosity Acquires Poser Software
Discussion: but it's a FACT that everyone has the same taste for women than I do, because of this one site targeted for this same type of guy.
Just don't. Stop. Please. DreaminGirl is right in the nail there, this is going straight into incel territory, and that line of thought can become even dangerous.
If you don't wanna use La Femme, don't effing use her. That is ALL there is to it.
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Khai-J-Bach posted at 12:11PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354670
ok drinking game time!
each time it's said "goto Daz" drink a shot...
You'd be drunk. And if we take a shot every time Poser is discussed and someone comes complain that Genesis doesn't work in it, we will die of actually drowning under those shots.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Glitterati3D posted at 10:11AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354669
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:01PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354664
This is the kind of stuff to do. These are all Genesis 8 characters. This is the kind of content I would need to be able to get in Poser. That Hedgehog, believe it or not, is a Genesis 8 Female, and can wear the clothes.
And, if you want to use Genesis 8 in Poser, then you should be at DAZ making that request there. No one BUT DAZ can make that possible.
It doesn't have to be Genesis 8. It has to be a type of object that allows you to do that though. It can be an entirely different system, the end result is all I care about. Smith Micro never took the time to find out what people used a 3D art program for, they were assuming everybody was going to create everything from scratch. A lot of us don't have the time or the interest for that, we want to tell stories and have pictures to match. Or animate the whole thing. I think Rendo does understand about that. Which is why I am keeping an eye on Poser development.
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:26PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354675
It doesn't have to be Genesis 8. It has to be a type of object that allows you to do that though. It can be an entirely different system, the end result is all I care about.
Poser can already do that, and has been able to since at least Poser 9/2012. Look at the gorilla for Dusk. Just one example. The reason you don't see more of it is because most won't take the time to learn how to use the tools, so people just assume Poser can't.
You know, there is a method for getting OG Genesis into Poser not using DSON. I'm not at my home computer, but I can attest it works. Almost perfectly. For clothes too. The caveats are, it can only have a single UV, which for me isn't that big of a deal. Also some clothes don't transfer perfectly, like the suit coat for example, but the characters I want to use Genesis for don't really need a suit coat....
If any one is interested, I can break down my process for getting OG Genesis and clothign into Poser whan I'm at my home machine.
AmbientShade posted at 11:41AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354677
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:26PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354675
It doesn't have to be Genesis 8. It has to be a type of object that allows you to do that though. It can be an entirely different system, the end result is all I care about.
Poser can already do that, and has been able to since at least Poser 9/2012. Look at the gorilla for Dusk. Just one example. The reason you don't see more of it is because most won't take the time to learn how to use the tools, so people just assume Poser can't.
Agreed. And really, its not the object thats the issue. Its the rigging.
knyghtmare2021 posted at 12:45PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354678
You know, there is a method for getting OG Genesis into Poser not using DSON. I'm not at my home computer, but I can attest it works. Almost perfectly. For clothes too. The caveats are, it can only have a single UV, which for me isn't that big of a deal. Also some clothes don't transfer perfectly, like the suit coat for example, but the characters I want to use Genesis for don't really need a suit coat....
If any one is interested, I can break down my process for getting OG Genesis and clothign into Poser whan I'm at my home machine.
Raises hand....me me me!. Better open a new thread tho ;). I'm keen to see how they look in Superfly.
Laurie
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 12:45PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354672
Khai-J-Bach posted at 12:11PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354670
ok drinking game time!
each time it's said "goto Daz" drink a shot...
You'd be drunk. And if we take a shot every time Poser is discussed and someone comes complain that Genesis doesn't work in it, we will die of actually drowning under those shots.
ROFL, you'd die of alcohol poisoning first!
AmbientShade posted at 12:36PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354677
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:26PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354675
It doesn't have to be Genesis 8. It has to be a type of object that allows you to do that though. It can be an entirely different system, the end result is all I care about.
Poser can already do that, and has been able to since at least Poser 9/2012. Look at the gorilla for Dusk. Just one example. The reason you don't see more of it is because most won't take the time to learn how to use the tools, so people just assume Poser can't.
That's part of it. But the majority of the Poser user base has been relying on staying with V4, V4.2 was released in Feb 2008, making her 11 years old now.
To put that in perspective in relation to Poser .... Poser 7 was released in Dec 2006 by EFrontier, and Poser Pro in May 2008, the first product released by Smith Micro. Poser 8 was released in Aug 2009. So basically, people that are still using V4 are using a figure that utilizes Poser 7 technology - and which has over ten years of vendor support using Poser 7 features. It's no wonder people don't realize what Poser 11 can do. There have been efforts to weight map V4 (Sasha comes to mind) ... but I'm not exactly sure how many have jumped on board with that.
Meanwhile, an individual here expects a figure that was released a mere 5 months ago (and has a VERY decent start so far) to have the same amount of vendor support as an eleven year old figure. Also not taking into account that Victoria 4 didn't need to support Poser 11 features, and therefore they had no need to learn weight mapping or animated joint centers or any of the newer features used in LaFemme.
SM is a software-driven company. Content was of less importance until Chuck Taylor took over. Now, with Rendo owning it. the tide is shifting. For the better. Give them a chance.
AmbientShade posted at 10:32AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354677
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:26PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354675
It doesn't have to be Genesis 8. It has to be a type of object that allows you to do that though. It can be an entirely different system, the end result is all I care about.
Poser can already do that, and has been able to since at least Poser 9/2012. Look at the gorilla for Dusk. Just one example. The reason you don't see more of it is because most won't take the time to learn how to use the tools, so people just assume Poser can't.
I'm not saying it can't so much as I'm saying it isn't being done. I'm not going to take the time to learn the tools, I'm going to take the time to write comics. I pay the vendors to take the time to do that type of thing. I take the time to learn to use the tools in the program I need to get my workflow done, that doesn't include dropping everything and creating a character every time I need one. Over at DAZ you have PA's creating that type of content. On the Poser side you don't. That's part of the problem that needs to be fixed if you want wider usage of Poser.
Back when I started in 2010 as a DAZ user you would look at all the content made for Poser and drool because half of it couldn't be used in DAZ. Particularly the cool stuff making extensive use of Shader Nodes. Or Dynamic cloth. Or the whole freaking Terradome system, man I hated I couldn't use that. Now the situation is reversed with Poser users looking at all the cool stuff they can't use and complaining about it.
And I blame a lot of that on Smith Micro Marketing and the fact they never really were comfortable marketing to end users. It's never been their bag. So while Poser was moving forward, you never saw items using it. I'm assuming that Poser is capable of doing pretty much anything DAZ can do. Some things one program will do better than the other, it's the nature of the thing.
If the goal is to expand Poser's customer base, the issue is going to have to be addressed. The average new user is going to have to visualize what can be done with Poser, and that will include items they can buy.
Over at DAZ, the latest addition is strand based hair. It looks cool, it looks like it will take a lot of time to learn, and if you read the comments, while there are some people interested in learning how to use it, the vast majority are waiting for the PA's to put out products made with it.
So to cut to the chase, I think it's wonderful that Hivewire has made a gorilla out of Dusk. Now also come out with a duck man, a frog man, an ogre, an imp, who can all wear the same clothes and you've made a convert out of me. Now I have some specialized needs, and I'm sure other people are going to be looking for something else, but that's where the whole thing needs to head if the user base is going to be broadened for Poser.
LaurieA posted at 11:58AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354680
knyghtmare2021 posted at 12:45PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354678
You know, there is a method for getting OG Genesis into Poser not using DSON. I'm not at my home computer, but I can attest it works. Almost perfectly. For clothes too. The caveats are, it can only have a single UV, which for me isn't that big of a deal. Also some clothes don't transfer perfectly, like the suit coat for example, but the characters I want to use Genesis for don't really need a suit coat....
If any one is interested, I can break down my process for getting OG Genesis and clothign into Poser whan I'm at my home machine.
Raises hand....me me me!. Better open a new thread tho ;). I'm keen to see how they look in Superfly.
Laurie
I'll get on it lol. I don't use Superfly, so you are on you're own on that front. I want to, but its just too slow for what I need.
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 1:12PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354683
AmbientShade posted at 10:32AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354677
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:26PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354675
It doesn't have to be Genesis 8. It has to be a type of object that allows you to do that though. It can be an entirely different system, the end result is all I care about.
Poser can already do that, and has been able to since at least Poser 9/2012. Look at the gorilla for Dusk. Just one example. The reason you don't see more of it is because most won't take the time to learn how to use the tools, so people just assume Poser can't.
I'm not saying it can't so much as I'm saying it isn't being done. I'm not going to take the time to learn the tools, I'm going to take the time to write comics. I pay the vendors to take the time to do that type of thing. I take the time to learn to use the tools in the program I need to get my workflow done, that doesn't include dropping everything and creating a character every time I need one. Over at DAZ you have PA's creating that type of content. On the Poser side you don't. That's part of the problem that needs to be fixed if you want wider usage of Poser.
Back when I started in 2010 as a DAZ user you would look at all the content made for Poser and drool because half of it couldn't be used in DAZ. Particularly the cool stuff making extensive use of Shader Nodes. Or Dynamic cloth. Or the whole freaking Terradome system, man I hated I couldn't use that. Now the situation is reversed with Poser users looking at all the cool stuff they can't use and complaining about it.
And I blame a lot of that on Smith Micro Marketing and the fact they never really were comfortable marketing to end users. It's never been their bag. So while Poser was moving forward, you never saw items using it. I'm assuming that Poser is capable of doing pretty much anything DAZ can do. Some things one program will do better than the other, it's the nature of the thing.
If the goal is to expand Poser's customer base, the issue is going to have to be addressed. The average new user is going to have to visualize what can be done with Poser, and that will include items they can buy.
Over at DAZ, the latest addition is strand based hair. It looks cool, it looks like it will take a lot of time to learn, and if you read the comments, while there are some people interested in learning how to use it, the vast majority are waiting for the PA's to put out products made with it.
So to cut to the chase, I think it's wonderful that Hivewire has made a gorilla out of Dusk. Now also come out with a duck man, a frog man, an ogre, an imp, who can all wear the same clothes and you've made a convert out of me. Now I have some specialized needs, and I'm sure other people are going to be looking for something else, but that's where the whole thing needs to head if the user base is going to be broadened for Poser.
Oh wait.......you mean like this for Dusk?
Modeled for Dusk, rendered for the imp, put in the HW store July 2016.
And they fit the Ogre, the giants, the dwarves, all Dusk's morphs.
I'm very glad to see Poser go to an owner that cares, and that understands (or should understand) the market niche that Poser is in.
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Glitterati3D posted at 11:29AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354686
Modeled for Dusk, rendered for the imp, put in the HW store July 2016.
And they fit the Ogre, the giants, the dwarves, all Dusk's morphs.
That is a nice render particularly the textures on the tree and leaves
Honestly, I've never spent much time at Hivewire's store, it's just never persuaded me to buy even items that can be used in DAZ.
I have spent at least 40% of my content budget here (Rendo), so it isn't a DAZ marketing thing. I just went back and looked, and I still wasn't impressed with the promo's there, they all look vintage Poser 5. I also searched for "Dusk Characters" and didn't pick up all that much.
I'd be more likely to start picking up La Femme items, and probably would if I went back to Poser.
The last version of Poser I bought was 2012, I'd upgraded a couple of times but stopped using it entirely so upgrading it further was kind of pointless.
knyghtmare2021 posted at 1:47PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354684
LaurieA posted at 11:58AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354680
knyghtmare2021 posted at 12:45PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354678
You know, there is a method for getting OG Genesis into Poser not using DSON. I'm not at my home computer, but I can attest it works. Almost perfectly. For clothes too. The caveats are, it can only have a single UV, which for me isn't that big of a deal. Also some clothes don't transfer perfectly, like the suit coat for example, but the characters I want to use Genesis for don't really need a suit coat....
If any one is interested, I can break down my process for getting OG Genesis and clothign into Poser whan I'm at my home machine.
Raises hand....me me me!. Better open a new thread tho ;). I'm keen to see how they look in Superfly.
Laurie
I'll get on it lol. I don't use Superfly, so you are on you're own on that front. I want to, but its just too slow for what I need.
Not a problem. I can handle the material room ;) Just not the other stuff! LOL
Laurie
Now, I'm not trying to be too critical here, because I know it offends some people, but here goes:
The Hivewire figures don't inspire me. I tried to use Dawn at the beginning, but her uv map put up obstacles for me (especially the face). Dusk looks like a slightly newer version of the Poser 4 man honestly. I did buy the dog and I have the horse and I do intend to buy the various deer because those are beautiful and I love the animal characters. If Renderosity can come up with a figure that looks as good and is as versatile as the Genesis figures, I will invest. But this is a hobby and I don't want to spend my time fighting with the software when I could be doing more relaxing things like making an image that's in my head :). I don't think I'm alone in this.
Laurie
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 1:52PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354690
Glitterati3D posted at 11:29AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354686
Modeled for Dusk, rendered for the imp, put in the HW store July 2016.
And they fit the Ogre, the giants, the dwarves, all Dusk's morphs.
That is a nice render particularly the textures on the tree and leaves
Honestly, I've never spent much time at Hivewire's store, it's just never persuaded me to buy even items that can be used in DAZ.
I have spent at least 40% of my content budget here (Rendo), so it isn't a DAZ marketing thing. I just went back and looked, and I still wasn't impressed with the promo's there, they all look vintage Poser 5. I also searched for "Dusk Characters" and didn't pick up all that much.
I'd be more likely to start picking up La Femme items, and probably would if I went back to Poser.
The last version of Poser I bought was 2012, I'd upgraded a couple of times but stopped using it entirely so upgrading it further was kind of pointless.
My whole point is/was that you are saying Poser can't do what DS can and I proved it has been doing it since 2016 at least.
Part of it is misconception that keeps getting repeated and repeated (and I'd appreciate it if you would stop doing that now) and part of is that most vendors are not using the tools to their abilities.
You don't see those promos above (BOTH were promos for the Jeans and Tank) at HW because I closed my store there and removed all my products. I had given up 3D completely (because of just THIS issue) until I was asked to join the La Femme effort.
Now, with Rendo in charge of Poser, I am hoping that we can make the FACTS known and stop the erroneous information from being spread further.
Following to show not only the versatility of LaFemme, but to also illustrate that Poser 11 is quite capable of character variation.
(images are reduced in size ... the original images are in my rendo gallery)
This is a WIP clothing item, a conversion of Winter Adventurer which I made for G8. Still in progress though, ignore the render quality
LaFemme as a dwarf. Clothing follows.
LaFemme as a fairy. Clothing follows.
LaFemme with more realistic body and facial proportions.
It can be done. 8-)
Deecey posted at 2:02PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354696
Following to show not only the versatility of LaFemme, but to also illustrate that Poser 11 is quite capable of character variation.
(images are reduced in size ... the original images are in my rendo gallery)
It can be done. 8-)
And IS being done by talented artists every day in POSER!
And, if you are interested in seeing how Rikomortis pushes LaFemme well beyond her boundaries into brilliant works of art, check these out. I don't want to post the images without his permission, so links to his gallery images are here. His work is brilliant and so much fun to look at!
Possessed - my personal favorite
Glitterati3D posted at 12:02PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354694
My whole point is/was that you are saying Poser can't do what DS can and I proved it has been doing it since 2016 at least.
Part of it is misconception that keeps getting repeated and repeated (and I'd appreciate it if you would stop doing that now) and part of is that most vendors are not using the tools to their abilities.
You don't see those promos above (BOTH were promos for the Jeans and Tank) at HW because I closed my store there and removed all my products. I had given up 3D completely (because of just THIS issue) until I was asked to join the La Femme effort.
Now, with Rendo in charge of Poser, I am hoping that we can make the FACTS known and stop the erroneous information from being spread further.
I've actually been pretty darned careful not to say Poser can't do what DAZ can (1) because I haven't used Poser in a while, and (2) because I always thought it could.
What I have been saying is that there haven't been commercially available content reflecting those capabilities, and there haven't been many.
Again, I lay most of the fault at Smith Micro's feet on that, because not only didn't they adequately show what Poser could do in their promo's, update their Content Paradise store with pretty much anything in the way of products that did not date back to Poser 5, but didn't persuade large sections of their customer base to keep upgrading so any time a vendor came up with a product based on a newer version of Poser they couldn't sell it.
I don't think Poser's problem has been technical, I think it's that Smith Micro can't market it's way out a paper bag when the target audience is end users, they can only market to businesses, and anybody who followed the company would know the reason why. Which is another reason I think Poser can undergo a transformation under Renderosity, they do know how to market to end users.
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 2:53PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354701
Glitterati3D posted at 12:02PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354694
My whole point is/was that you are saying Poser can't do what DS can and I proved it has been doing it since 2016 at least.
Part of it is misconception that keeps getting repeated and repeated (and I'd appreciate it if you would stop doing that now) and part of is that most vendors are not using the tools to their abilities.
You don't see those promos above (BOTH were promos for the Jeans and Tank) at HW because I closed my store there and removed all my products. I had given up 3D completely (because of just THIS issue) until I was asked to join the La Femme effort.
Now, with Rendo in charge of Poser, I am hoping that we can make the FACTS known and stop the erroneous information from being spread further.
I've actually been pretty darned careful not to say Poser can't do what DAZ can (1) because I haven't used Poser in a while, and (2) because I always thought it could.
What I have been saying is that there haven't been commercially available content reflecting those capabilities, and there haven't been many.
Again, I lay most of the fault at Smith Micro's feet on that, because not only didn't they adequately show what Poser could do in their promo's, update their Content Paradise store with pretty much anything in the way of products that did not date back to Poser 5, but didn't persuade large sections of their customer base to keep upgrading so any time a vendor came up with a product based on a newer version of Poser they couldn't sell it.
I don't think Poser's problem has been technical, I think it's that Smith Micro can't market it's way out a paper bag when the target audience is end users, they can only market to businesses, and anybody who followed the company would know the reason why. Which is another reason I think Poser can undergo a transformation under Renderosity, they do know how to market to end users.
You said, and I quote "This is the kind of stuff to do. These are all Genesis 8 characters. This is the kind of content I would need to be able to get in Poser."
Inferring it was not possible to do so. That's what's incorrect.
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 3:04PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354706
And if you read just about every one of my posts I am specifically saying I think Poser is capable of it, it just isn't being done. Look back if you're curious, I pretty much state it over and over again.
But it IS being done. Just not on figures YOU choose to use.
Look, I'm saying it's a marketing issue. Now over at DAZ they make sure that everybody knows that other shapes are supported by autofollow, and that you can get quite a few clothes to fit reasonably well with autofit. Now for Poser, where would you go to get that information? Afrodite-Ohki explained earlier in the thread how you can get a top made for Dawn to fit to Le Femme so obviously it would be possible to script it all.
Over at DAZ Riversoft and Sickleyield wrote one that will convert a good 80% of V4 clothing items to Genesis 8. DAZ featured it, it ran about $20, with a sale on a bunch of V4 clothing items. And Smith Micro, oh that's right, Smith Micro doesn't think content is important.
So now Renderocity is in charge. How much would it take for scripts to be written in python to convert the entire V4 wardrobe over to La Femme and have a sale on all the old V4 content?
If you shift the focus to content and the end user a whole lot of possibilities open up.
And how many sales would that add to Poser if it only worked in Poser 11?
Glitterati3D posted at 3:49PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354694
I had given up 3D completely (because of just THIS issue) until I was asked to join the La Femme effort.
We have more in common that I had realized 
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 3:54PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354716
Glitterati3D posted at 3:49PM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354694
I had given up 3D completely (because of just THIS issue) until I was asked to join the La Femme effort.
We have more in common that I had realized
Until the LaFemme project gained traction, I had moved over to DS content creation. The La Femme project brought me back to Poser. A lot of thought went into her development.
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FlagonsWorkshop posted at 11:37PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354604
Indeed.