Attached Link: http://http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=107503

I just wondered if I am the only one who is willing to wait *ten days* for an image to finish rendering, as for my last one (see the link)? This was my most time-consuming project until now, not only that it took ten days to render but also the time I needed to set it up... I have read in a magazine that it is already long to have to wait for a week, but ten days? I mean, I do not have the strongest, but also not the slowest computer (P3 800EB with 384MB of RAM), and just wanted to make this little survey to find out how long it takes for the others to render their pictures? I will ask this question both in the Bryce and Poser Forum; even if Poser "renders" (I know that it does not really render) much faster there are many people there also working with Bryce. Looking forward to read about your experiences, Sincerely, Sabine

The longest I ever waited for a render was a bryce scene. It took 5 days.

Well... I knew Bryve had a dog slow renderer - and this clinches it :) I am very, very happy I don't have to deal with it constantly as I use transparent/refractive materials all the time! You have patience and talent. Enjoy!

...but Poser does not really "render", and the Bryce images look much better, apart from the fact that you have far more possibilities to play with materials / textures / settings and that Poser is not able to do a real reflection. And these are the reasons that, for difficult scenes, I prefer using Bryce. Sincerely, Sabine

Friend of mine took 2 weeks on a render with Bryce 5 just recently. I told him he was mad LOL Me personally, the longest is probably only about 10 hours, which I left on overnight because I'm far too impatient to wait. I'd just ditch it and start something else if I had to wait.

Bryce scene for me also [Ritual]. 7+ weeks on a 1.2ghz Athlon.

I had one that would have taken about 3 days if I let it finish. I notice the new Bryce lets you restart renders later, I think th eold one was supposed to do that to, but it never worked for me. I have a love/hate relation with Bryce, it is an impossably great/ impossably awful program. I find myself not even trying some things, as it takes forever to set them up, as you can't really see what your doing until you do a test render, and the renders take next to forever. Just putting two figures in so their feet are on the ground can take an couple hours.

Jim, Bryce has always allowed that function. If you stop a render and save the file, then re-open it, the render starts automatically at the point where it last stopped. This has been true since version 2, I think. Insofar as the rest of you... gads, how big were these images? The longest Ive ever had to wait for one (and this one had multiple lights and probably a dozen glass objects) was a day and a half. What on earth were you doing that it would take this long, put it on fine-art render?

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=45119&Start=1&Artist=Ironbear&ByArtist=Yes

72 dpi, 1280x1280, multiple figures with transmapping, multiple lights, mirrored wall & floor, ambient mats, heavy reflectivity, volumetric world. 138mb total file size including imported objects. That's NOT the biggest bryce file I've ever made. WIzzards Lair 1 was 279mb, and if I had imported everything and rendered it in one shot instead of plop render compositing in addtional figures, it would have easily been a 500mb br4 file. And probably a 2 month one shot render on a 600mhz/512mb P3. Poser is capable of some fine work in rendering, but I find that poser is the opposite of Brcye... it can take days to set up and apply & tweak materials and reflect settings in a poser scene, all for a 10 minute render.

I know that it does not really render That depends on how you define the word "render." Of course it renders, it just doesn't ray trace. Even an oil painting is "rendered." I think I let one image render for about four hours once, but I would never let anything go any longer than that. I can't leave my computer running all day while I'm not at home. My house was built in 1927 and probably has the orginal wiring in it. Yikes, the computer would probably blow up and burn my house down. Besides the electricity I'm paying for. No image is that important to me. Besides, I can't tie up my computer that long. I can't do anything else if I do. If I try to get into e-mail, it would probably stall the render or some annoying thing. I only own one computer and I can't expect my sister to let me use hers to get my e-mail. Melanie

Er... Melanie? Aside from not being able to leave the PC on [which I can relate to], Bryce doesn't have to tie up the PC so you can't do anything else. You can minimise it and do other things quite nicely while it's rendering...

Oh, and by the way, spothmann, your link doesn't work. It takes me to a cannot be found page. Melanie

I'd hate to try and find out how long my machine would take on something complicated, I had 2 poser figures cemeteray gates and the moon and my machine refused to play ball, P200 with 64Mb Ram, 4 yrs old, probably shouldn't even try to run poser on it, but I did a simple pic on Bryce 5 and had everything set to full and it wanted to take 3 days

shrug I've done some intensly complicated stuff in both poser and bryce on a dual 233mhz with 256mb. It took a long time to render on occassion, but it worked. And it taught me a LOT about optomizing scenes and models.

I recentally did the NEW DAZ calendar, and the cover took 3 days to render. I always try (opportune word here) to avoid volumetrics in Bryce if possible and turn off anything like refractions that aren't going to be used. But I have to agree ... Bryce is "Dog Slow". As for Poser renders, these never take long at all. The most I've waited was about 30 minutes. And that was a 300 dpi 3500 x 2500 render with shadows set as high as 2400, and several lights casting shadows. But never used that render. You still have to much post work to do on a Poser render. Perhaps Poser 5 will have a ray trace engine. James

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=107503

the link doesn't work because there is one "http://" too much, this was my fault. I have added the correct link to this posting, I cannot edit the old one. By the way, *I* can even still open (and work in) Poser, Photopaint and any other program while Bryce is rendering, and my email program is of course working all the time too. At the moment, Bryce is rendering again, so you see that I can even work with my Browser :-)! Guess this depends on how much RAM you have. About your electricity, well, at least here in Germany it is like that that the one who rented yourhouse to you (or is it your own?) *MUST* care for a good and *WORKING* electricity, and if he / she does not, you can take a percentage of about 20% off your monthly rent for the house until he / she does - I do not know if this is the same where you live? - *AND* if *anything* should happen just because your computer was turned on it will be the fault of your landlord - not yours. For this image, I have used *no* volumnetric lights settings, just some spots and light spheres *do not want to think about what would have been if I used volumnetric light here*. Sincerely, Sabine

29 days, 4.5 hours roughly.... it was hell...

BTW: Bryce is notoriously slow... I have never had a productive render out of it for anything other than small jpegs to use as textures on obj terrain's output from there... I always take that kind of thing into Max (though you could take into RayDream/Carrera as well and still get faster results!)

Yikes! 29 days... A month... 10 days... Holy smokes. You can tell I'm not a serious renderer. I kill anything that takes more than 20 minuets! ;) Just curious, those of you with the long renders, does that tie up the PC the whole time or can you go about merrily doing other stuff as well. You can't be using Windows 95/98/ME. I don't think the OS can stay up that long! :D I'm assuming Windows 2000 for this type of render, right? Or XP nowadays. jon

jon, to shed a little light on my situation: I have 3 computers. 2 G4s (MAC) and 1 PC. So when I render (usually on a MAC) I can just move it to another machine and let it go undisturbed. Trying to "Multi Task" on any of my computers would slow things down far too much for me. James

How does Vue compare in rendering time to Bryce? From the results I've seen in the galleries I think I'd be happy with either one, so maybe speed can be the deciding factor.

Well, like James, multitasking slows things down for me, too. And, like jstro, I guess I'm not that serious either, and I rarely let anything go more than a half hour. Too much Type-A in my personality, I guess. I want to get on with it. :) Melanie

Yeppers. Bryce is NOT a good app if you have the patience level of a squirrel on amphetamines. snicker

Ack.

Now, Bryce does OK work... it is a full on Ray tracer so some things do look really good. But it is far from a sophisticated rendering engine. Obviously with the full ray tracing you do get some of the features like caustics and DOF (blurry) reflections, but there are some nice cheats that can go into the renderer to cut those times down to something useful.

So the question is... for what possible reason could it take that long to do what are comparatively simple renders? I mean, is it just completely without optimization?

shudder

I am not trying to come down on the folks who use it - some of the work is amazing... I am just wondering how it is that it has survived in the marketplace.

This is a comment more to the people who make Bryce (Corel?)...

Ack!

My admiration for those who use Bryce just went way up. I wonder if the same scenes would be much faster in Truespace?

"for what possible reason could it take that long to do what are comparatively simple renders? " Dunno. When I do comparitively simple renders, it seems to clip along pretty good. To be honest, my favorite renderer is Lightscape, but lightscape has the drawbacks of being only a renderer [not even limited modeling/building tools], it's made by Autodesk so it's overly complex and overly expensive for what it is, and I've never been thrilled with Autodesks product support. Plus, hardly anyone uses it, so the database of tutorials and user support isn't broad. BUt it does wonderful radiousity & lighting effects. Cinema4DXL does fantastic rendering, and also lighting, ray trace & radiousity, plus excellent modeling tools, but it's a $1,600 program. I'd love to have a full version of it, but I can't afford it. The demo Carnifex turned me on to intruiged me though. I think, SH, that its survived in the market just by that combination of low price and ease of use. There's nothing quite in the same category that does what it does for a comparable cost.

Hmm... if it takes 29 days to render they better be paying me to use it :)

Heh heh. Read back up to post # 23. Got all yer nuts and speed hoarded up for the winter? innocent look