It never ceases to amaze me ... Why does anyone ask that kind of question HERE at R'osity? [rhetorical] But "there's always that 2%" who don't get the word. It took me exactly 1 minute and 38 seconds to locate a "free copy" of Poser4 on the web. And NO, I will NOT say where it is. If you go looking for trouble ... So why does anyone ever ask that kind of question here? [also, rhetorical] Would I d/l it? NOT IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT! Why? ... You have to be pretty stupid (and desparate) to d/l anything off the web that appears to be "free," but is a legitimate product in the marketplace that honest people pay their hard earned cash for and honest people have worked hard to produce. I am inspired by people like ...baby_jus... who responded and said he worked <---(what a concept!) and earned the money to buy a [legitimate] copy of Poser. My hat is off to him. R'osity is a super place for talented people [and some not so talented (like me)] to post and share ideas, pictures, tips & tricks, etc. It sometimes only takes "ONE" to spoil the barrel. And, ... a special "THANKS" to JeffH for "doing his job" and helping to keep R'osity the quality place that it is and a good place to spend time. cheers, dr geep <-------------------------------------------------(getting off soapbox now) ;=]

My kids downloaded a program for music and called me in when the program wanted to "share" my poser files. We put a quick end to that. Does this mean people are sharing files they aren't aware of?

Probably. One has to be very careful. Geep, I know what you mean. I could easily locate any number of illlegitimate files. OK, so why is it that we can find this stuff in half a minute while a Warez bozo has to ask for links? One has to wonder.

"Stupidity" is not illegal!

And, "Dumb" is not against the law!

Last time I checked, anyway.

BTW - Anyone know the difference between

"illegle" and "unlawful?"

This is NOT the next contest
to win a free copy of
"UVMapperPro" <-----------(but I'm workin' on it - the contest, that is)

cheers,
dr geep <------------------------------------------------(workin' on the "next" contest)
;=]

Well, the really sad thing is that, out of 70,000 members, someone probably did send him the directions to a warez site. And yeah, this would be the place to ask.

;=[ ;=[ ;=[ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Illegal" is a sick bird "Unlawful" is a violation of Federal, State, or local law. :)

It's not worth our wasting our time or energy, folks. Thieves will be thieves, and if they don't get their joy here, they'll get it elsewhere. Here's the important thing: NOT FROM US. In this world, creeps and bullies always win: just look at it! What fairness there is, we must create for ourselves and for those around us. So let's us lot embrace each other and fairness and behave as well as we can. That's the best we can do. It's the best anyone can.

Whew, glad I didn't use THAT one for the contest. ;=]

ok strangechilde...but I'm not going to hug you.

I don't blame you ElectricAardvark. I'm prickly. :)

Attached Link: http://www.your-a-dumdass-loser.net.org.com.suck-it/~nWo/poser5.html

Hee hee! The error message you get if you click on the link is as good as the link! Oh, but you left out the eighteen gazillion porn sites each of which open up four schmillion popunder windows.

sniff!!! I got only a "page can not be displayed" and here I was looking for my evening fix of popunders and poptarts! Carolly, just kidding

"Geep, I know what you mean. I could easily locate any number of illlegitimate files. OK, so why is it that we can find this stuff in half a minute while a Warez bozo has to ask for links? One has to wonder." Nah, I don't have to wonder. Obviously the ones they are getting out there have some kind of problem so they are looking for a better copy. Come on in guys. Bring us your emails so we can track your butts down and turn you in to CL. Marque

What to say ?? - well you need more than one minute to find Poser - wow - that was slow :o). In fact I can get everything in the net, Lightwave, Maya, Bryce, Truespace and more than a lot of things from DAZ ... to find them is really easy if you're even a little bit in the warez-business :o( But - should I download them ?? Despite the illegality of such doings it is also a question of morality (hope that's the right word for - maybe honour - but that's a to strong word in my eyes). You're right geep - there are people earning their money with it - they sit hours, days and sometimes years in front of their screen, just to make this and that maybe usefull for someone. So - is it wrong when they want money for that ? - I think we all agree in that if I say "No, it is not wrong to get paid for work". Is it wrong to "steal" that work by simply copying it ? Well - viewed from this POV - yes, of course. Viewed from another POV (btw: that means point of view) this isn't so easy to answer - Would Microsoft have become that great if everyone would have used (and is still doing) all their products legally - hmmm, I don't think so. Another POV is that someone might not be able to buy Lightwave or Maya - so he simply "steals" it ... It is interesting that companies never asked where this guy or girl learned to use Lightwave, Photoshop or whatever - the fact is - he, she needs to know how to use it. Because he, she needs also to feed his/her family. So - I for example don't mind if someone gives his/her kid or a good friend in the neighbourhood for example a copy of my CD I'm selling - but someone must also know where is the point to stop. You see, this whole situation is not so easy and I really do understand both sides. So stealing is one thing. Making something available to steal from another something different. All this peer-to-peer software makes it easy nowadays to "share" Software (what a nice wrong word for this actions). But we can't change what had happened and now we have to live with it and maybe everyone has to learn that "sharing" is wrong. Barbaranelly: I advise you to have an eye on your kids action with the computer ... that's another ongoing problem - the kids use to know more about this "funny calcultating machines" than the parents. Sometimes the parents don't know what their kids are doing until someday (I believe that day will once come) the police knocks on the door and is asking what all these burned CD's in the kids rooms are for ... Another thing is allowing teenies to surf without parental advise ... You thing I'm wrong ... hey go to www.google.com and type in the word "sex" or this f-word (please be sure when clicking on the links your child is not aside you). Oh - I could talk hours about these things - because I'm also mad about it, but we all can't change this - the only thing we can do is not to do such things - how hard it'lll ever be ... Just some minor thoughts of mine Schlabber

... copied a VHS video tape?

How many copies did you make? ........ One?

Well, then you just cheated the rightful owner out of his/her roalty fee. Probably won't make or break that person.

Or, ........ did you make 20 copies and sell them?

I basically agree with Schlabber, this software (and hardware) industry would've never progressed as fast as it has without "sharing!"

:+}

Thank you for the warning. For the record, my youngest is 16 and the girls are old enough to buy porn if they wanted too. Only one is old enought to drink, but they can buy porn. What had happened was that a friend was over and told them they could download songs for thier Mp3 players (now there is a popular device that promotes this kind of sharing. We had wanted to download books from Audible, but they didn't make it clear you can't do it with a Mac. Now what do we do with them?) Anyway as they were setting up the program they realized that the software was willing to share more than songs. Instead of going forward, they called me in and we put a stop to it. Personally, I know I have taped songs off the radio. My stereo is set up for this. I have taped programs with my VCR and even lent them out. We do have Mp3 players. I can't be holier than thou about this. Sharing is one thing, making money from it is another. I don't know where to draw the line between stealing and sharing in some of these cases other than when money comes into it. I do know there are products being made that are intended for use by some sort of sharing. Doesn't that send a mixed signal?

Hmm - Babarellany (uhm - what a long name) - at the moment this whole mp3-thing is still a little bit complicated (in law). Right at the moment they're trying to find solutions for this. I don't know how old you are but you might remember that discussion when the Audio-cassette-recorders came up and suddenly it was possible to "copy" the vinyl-records (no - I'm not 75 years old - I'm just interested in this - lol). The same happens right now with a little bit more possibilities - yes the internet. Of course the Record-companies want to forbid the whole thing. But is an mp3-song a copy or not ? Who knows, and there are even more questions going round so that even these ones who should know - don't know (I learned this whole topic during my study-time). So far I would say an mp3-copy is illegal ... but, well, even our local police station has an mp3-server (lol). So far - if you want to be total legal - sharing an mp3 is allowed as long this is strictly allowed. For Software: Look at freeware and shareware. As poser is either Free- or Shareware it is forbidden to share it (in this case - quiete simply - therefor exists a law). But I'm not a lawman - if there is someone around - I really would love to hear another opinion. Thank you. Oh - read that with the mixed signal - if you mean your IP can be scanned if you download warez or something like that ... yes, this is possible - but not so easy if you've got no exact suspect.

uups a little error ...: For Software: Look at freeware and shareware. As poser is either Free- or Shareware it is forbidden to share it (in this case - quiete simply - therefor exists a law). IS WRONG ... It should be read: For Software: Look at freeware and shareware. As Poser is neither Free- or Shareware it is forbidden to share it (in this case - quiete simply - therefor exists a law). either - neither (ts ts ts)

Despite the liklihood of incurring the scorn of others, I make the following admission, my first copy of Poser4 came from a warez site. I am not a professional, other than as a hobbyist, I had no reason to buy POSER. At that time the demo version didn't allow me to really explore the way POSER worked. For what it's worth I also found a warez copy of Zygote's millenium woman. That being said, and my credit card statements can attest to this fact, I have since bought the full version of Poser, Poser Pro Pack, Daz's Vicky, Vicky2, Mike, Mike2, Millenium Girls, Millenium Boys, and more stuff from DAZ & Renderosity than I would really like to admit. I've also bought a variety of support programs, i.e. CR2EDIT, Raydream Studio, etc, as well as subscribing to Poserworld and Catharina's website. There really wasn't much of a moral dillema for me. I used the "warez" version as kind of a "super-shareware version" and I used it only until I realized that I really liked working with POSER. I was perfectly willing to pay for the full version once I discovered that I liked fooling with POSER. I wasn't willing to spend a couple of hundred bucks to end up with a program that I couldn't use, wasn't really to my taste, or really didn't have the interest in using other than as a passing fancy. I've got more than a few programs that I've purchased, and because of strict return policies and prohibitions, I'm stuck with them. I'm anxiously awaiting POSER5 and have toyed with the idea of getting Bryce or Vue D'Esprit. (I really like the difference that a high quality render engine can make). The images that I've done are relatively primitive and amateurish when compared to a lot of the work here, however, I still enjoy working with POSER, and I really wouldn't have ever been exposed to all this if I hadn't downloaded that first warez copy.

Twenty five years ago I was managing a video store. At the time they were new. ALL of the movie theaters were crying that we were going to ruin there business. sound famular!!! Now its more popular then ever. The same thing will happen to music and software. Better music and software WILL come about because the people will demand it. People that could never, on current pay level, will try stuff that would ONLY be available to the HAVE's of the world. Reminds me of a Ziggy cartoon, where he's standing at the base of a ladder. Looking up to see the first rung of the ladder way out of reach. The caption was, of course "The Ladder Of Success". To bitch and mone about what other people do here in the forum is like someone complaining about spelling in the chat room. LIGHTEN UP POV- Its a piss poor sword that dosen't cut both ways. Dont share-Lower Prices

... have I started????????????????? ;=]

...I once taped a Major-League Baseball game without the express written consent of the commissioner. Man, am I glad I got that off my chest. I know that now that I've unburdened my soul, my seat in Heaven with Jesus is assured.

Jeez, Geo, how much lower are the prices supposed to go? The stuff we get in here is a BARGAIN and a half compared to what one would have to pay in the RW. Twenty bucks for the amount of work that goes into some of this stuff is nothing. Eight bucks for the Angelyna wings? C'mon, that's ridiculously low. If this stuff were any cheaper, the vendors would have to frigging give it all away, and -- not to demean the work that goes into the items in FreeStuff -- this is some people's livelihood. So let's not even bring up the issue of price, okay? As far as Rsity stuff goes, we get the best prices around, bar none. And anyone who says they have to get it off a warez site because they can't afford it has more economic problems to deal with than the price of Poser props.

I used to have a guy work for me who boasted that he could sell me copies of any programme I cared to name. Just as a matter of interest I gave him a list of programmes, to see if he could. He couldn't come up with copies of Poser, Bryce, or KPT. Not quite sure what that proves. Oh and Photoshop was another no no. I did not buy anything from him, told him that I had them all anyway, but obviously he was making money.

Legume: Was it really you that taped it or was it the increasingly decadent Mr. Fluffers? BTW my point was that around here "warez people" are treated as if they are inherently evil. A lot has to do with intent. Some warez users wouldn't pay for POSER if it was only 10 bucks.

... to make the world go 'round!

GOD bless you, Leg.

I'm sure your place in the great upstairs is confirmed now. ;=]

cheers,
dr geep <----------------------------------------(not confessin' nutin' ..... yet)
;=]

Many years ago, I was interviewing an artist for a job. During the interview he discovered that I didn't have copies of certain software. He opened a folder of disks and offered to give me pirated software from his former employer, among others. Needless to say, I didn't hire him... and I told the HR officer exactly WHY I didn't want him in our company. I have little tolerance for stupidity, and none for theft. Carolly

They must know what is going to happen but they keep doing it. Could the Poser Posers etc be getting just the right amount of exposure by just that short thread, and then abandoning the isp while they cart of into the expansive warez ghetto with their prize? There must be an in between of a thermo-nuclear device that leaves buildings and people intact only affecting warezers, and merely locking and banning them.

VirtualSite has a point. They must know what is going to happen but they keep doing it. Could the Poser Posers etc be getting just the right amount of exposure by just that short thread, and then abandoning the isp while they cart of into the expansive warez ghetto with their prize? There must be an in between of a thermo-nuclear device that leaves buildings and people intact only affecting warezers, and merely locking and banning them. (Doesnt look like I read all the threads either, before blasting off)