is the only way to get Mike or victoria is to buy them?

Yep. no other way at all. But well worth it. Anzan

is it really? i mean im not a proffesional graphics designer guy so i dunno if spendin $60 is really gonna be worth it. on the other hand thats all I hear Mike this and Victoria that.

Yeah... if you were using professional models they would be a LOT more expensive. It's like lightwave is in the thousands compared to poser which is like 200. They are worth it though... I can't even touch the p4 man or woman after using them. They can actually look like something besides a distortion of one form. Mike 2 and Vicki 2 even more so. I hurt myself buying them.. but it was more than worth it. Anz

I have to agree with Anzan. The flexibility of both Mike & Vicki is astounding. I waited for ages to buy either one. Then Mike 2 was produced, and I had to see what all the fuss was about. He was on sale, and I knew the price would never be better. Lemme tell ya! Just pulling him into a scene made all the difference in the world! New faces that used to take days to create in anim8or now took mere minutes to create on Mike. I was so impressed with Mike that I bought Vicki 2 as well. Love 'em both. And like Anzan, I just can't use the regular dork or possett any more. Since both Mike 2 & Vicki 2 come with a P4 body, all the clothes I've downloaded fit them, leaving me free to render while I save money to buy the custom clothes packs. Save up your pennies and invest in these models. If you're serious about rendering even as a hobby, you'll really won't regret buying either one.

You could always start with Version 1 of each, and then upgrade to Version 2 later if you wish. the price works out to about the same, as I recall.

Most hobbies will cost people money in one way or another. If you paint, you'll pay for paints, canvas, brushes, etc. If you ski or play golf, you'll spend lots on equipment. Many of us here are just hobbiests, not professional graphic artists. Some of us use our images professionally, but I think the majority of us do it just for fun. I bought Vicki and Mike just because I knew they would make much better images than the stock figures that come with Poser. It's well worth the money. And, as Lether-guy said, you can start with the version 1 Mike and Vicki (they're very inexpensive now) and move up later. You'll love them. Melanie

Put me in there with the others. After abusing myself over Posette for long enough, I went and got Vicki 1 as soon as the price dropped and loved her. Then Mike came out and everybody raved. I couldn't see dropping that much cash on a model so I held off. Then Mike 2 came out and I kept seeing all the great work people were doing with him and the fabulous textures available. So I splurged last week. I was so impressed with Mike 2 I went and got Vicki 2 this weekend. Are they worth it? It all depends on what you want to do with Poser. If you're just playing around having a little fun, maybe not. If you really want to make some images with a difference and get serious about it, I'd starting saving. Go to the galleries and look at the images there. That speaks volumes. BTW: with as many plugs as DAZ3D get's here, why are they not one of Renderosity's sponsors, huh?