Attached Link: More Info about Egyptian Clothing coming soon

Hi there, I promised some updates. In the previous post (see link) I mentioned the new skirts for Mike and Vicki that can bend like people do all the way down the legs to the ankle. I am finishing Michael's now. All is well. as always there is a concession for the benefit. The skirts will match perfectly as shown when the same pose applied to the figure is then applied to them. Now skirts cannot sit and have the stiff piece in the middle. These have neither of those. I had to make the shins of the skirt children of the hip and not the thighs to solve this age old riddle. But because the shins are not children of the thighs the skirts are not conformable Well actually they can but the shins go crazy. I don't see this as a huge hassle considering there is no alternative. All you would have to do is apply the same pose to the skirt. Also Poser doesn't know how to create the scaling zones for this layout so the legs cannot be scaled. They can be morphed shorted though. So the end result is they work. They also match and pose Mike or Vicki can use. The skirts can be morhed to scale the legs. But giving them the ability to pose, kneel, etc has removed the ability to conform. Does this make sense? If i can ever solve the conforming issue I would of course post and update cr2. I really like these. They will be great for wizard type cloths as well. Transmappes can make them any length. What I am worried about is people freaking out, thinking the skirts are broken somehow. People who don't understand my work seem to get frustrated and attack me publically. I really don't want a repeat of a few previous frustrated rants. You know who I mean. :) So I want to keep people in the loop if someone gets rowdy. Otherwise I would rather just not release the skirts. Anyway just an update on the result. Anton

Ps: there will be fabric tweeking morphs for smoothing. The above images uses no morphs. ANs as always, please forgive my slopping typing.

so they don't conform but you can copy the pose of the figure to the skirt? how can the copy work if the bodypart name is not the same? oh... only the bend/twist/rotate dials have to be the same! good job!!! :)

Ok, granted that skirts like this really are not suited for this extreme a pose. Just wanted to show you that they can do it. Technical: The secret was making the leg bodypart path more like petals coming off a flower instead of like a horseshoe like they are now. The parent/child sequence needed to be reordered. that is why we haven't had skirts like this. Our mistake was that we were trying to use a Hierarchy like Mike and Vicki. But webbing of fabric between the legs required a new hierachy order unique to the skirt.

AprilYSH, All the same bodyparts are there as in Mike and Vicki. Only there order in the cr2 is different. Yes they accept any pose you apply to the figure. Yes because the poses you save into the library are only dial information, the pose will make it fit the figure perfectly. The steps would be this easy 1) Load Vicki 2) Load skirt 3) Aplly pose to Vicki 4) Apply same pose to skirt Viola. You are done. 5) Render

Ok, granted that skirts like this really are not suited for this extreme a pose but that's ancient spandex! lol

not to mention it looks very cool to have that ability. I know I want these now.

Anton, Very cool - the fabric 'bends' are so much closer to reality than most pose 'folds' shudder Petals? aaaaah - instead of two chains of cascading parts, there are several chains coming from the hip obj. That right? How horrible is handposing these things? do we have multiple skirt obj parts to move around? It can't possibly be IKing sideways, can it? I'm thinking something kinda Easypose like, with the objparts influencing eachother? And not that I animate - but how do they behave with that? I'd guess you'd need to make the mopvement sequence twice, once for the skirt and once for the figure? As for length - any possiblity of setting material zones like in Vick's dresses? so rings around the hem can be made transparant? Lyrra

Lyrra There is just a hip, rThigh, lThigh, rShin, lShin. Instead of the shins coming off the thighs they come off the hip. No extra body parts, Just a new order to the child/parent relationship. They are as easy to use as Vicki's legs. Animation is fine. Same as namaging another figure. Just add poses. Length. Transmaps are better than zones. I have done banding zones in the past and they irritate people. It is cylidrically mapped to transmaps are easy. Don't let the petal comment scare ya. I shouldn't have tried to explain it that way. :) Anton

WOW. Druids planting. Wizards inscribing circles. Anybody getting water. The possibilities are wide open.... Carolly

I really want this, it looks incredible. I think if you provide a good ReadMe and explain in detail what and why people should be able to understand. At least the most... :-).

Nice!!!! :)

Do body parts only weld to one other part or did you need to add extra weld lines? Would it be possible to see the UV template coloured by group? Depending how you have done that there may be a way to get it to conform also.

I put clothes on people they don't belong on a lot in Poser. As a result, I load the figure, scale and parent the clothing item, and then pose. I do this a lot with long skirts. Clothing items like this wouldn't be a hassle with proper instructions.

Phil, This is part of what makes it possible. Everything does conform. If it were a full suit it would as well except the shins. The shins had to be made children of the hip to get the geometry below the knee to act the way skirts currectly can't Because the parents are different for the shins in the skirt and Vicki, Poser gets confused. I have thought of everything. I promise. Just a Poser limitation with conforming figures. A figure can only conform if the hierarchy is the same. If parents change then Poser gets confused. --------------------------------------------- name LongSkirt root BODY:3 addChild hip:3 BODY:3 addChild abdomen:7 hip:7 addChild lShin:3 hip:3 addChild lThigh:3 hip:3 addChild rShin:3 hip:3 addChild rThigh:3 hip:3 defaultPick hip:3 displayOn 1 weld lShin:3 hip:3 weld andomen:3 hip:3 weld lThigh:3 hip:3 weld rShin:3 hip:3 weld rThigh:3 hip:3 -------------------------------------------------- this new parent relationship is key to the skirts new ability along with the mesh design and grouping.

Do the shins touch the thighs or just the hip?

shins touch just the hip. Drop me an email. I don't want to confuse or scare :) people with too much technical stuff. AntonK68@aol.com

Dude! Awesome!

I didn't think the problem was with the IK chain for the right or left. I thought it was because the left and right chains cannot touch eachother. The hassle is what the group separating the two sides does. Even if they are parented to the hip instead of the thigh, how are the shins separated? I agree with Phil, I would be interested in seeing just how this is cut.

Fantastic!

I'd like to see how the mesh is cut, too. I'm guessing both the mesh and the texture need to be done right to get that smooth flow between the legs. Maybe we could start a new thread in the Poser Tech forum to discuss the technical aspects.

Dam this is cool. Hey is that the new face morph you were showing the other day? I cant wait. You have so much going on right now. :) do you ever sleep? LOL.

"I don't want to confuse or scare :) people with too much technical stuff." Too late, my head just exploded! ;-) Thanks anyway. Very clever.

Anton, If you move this thread to private mail or to another forum, would you please let us (me) know. While I'm very new to this conforming clothing stuff I am very interested in your technique and would like to continue to follow along, if it's alright with you?! I have to wonder if a variant of this technique couldn't be used for other things like bat wings and conforming cloaks. It might also allow more realistic movement shawls, cowls etc. Thanks. mike

Trav this can be used on other things but the technique is complex. It is well suited for wings and such but I might be the first to figure out the approach since I came up with this. I just have to find time to experiment. Mesh layout is crucial for the stretching. This is the Michael version.

sitting

Anton, I appologise if I gave you the wrong impression. I do NOT think I would be able to progess you technique, nor would I ever concider any attempt at stealling it or related technology. I am just very excited about the possibilities I see for it and fully expect to see it expand as you have time to experiment. I would just like to follow along in any discussions you feel appropriate as a way to increase my own understanding and knowledge. If I gave you any other impression please forgive me! mike

Please don't worry. I dodn't take it that way at all. I will keep updates public. :) I really can't explain how to make a skirt like this without the reader having it in front of them. I just type fast and sloppy and sometimes I forget to repond to a piece or comment.

Hey Anton, your one clever guy! I have no idea how you figured this out, I've thought of the same kind of arrangement, but never figured out how to get the shins to pick up the thighs rotations unless they were a child of it. Anyway, great work!

Well done Anton. Many brains have been sucked dry trying to figure this one out.