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Subject: Poser Wizard Plug-ins


KattMan ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 2:10 PM · edited Tue, 26 November 2024 at 10:38 PM

This is where you guys can tell me what you most want to see. Those of you that have purchased the Poser Wizard know that it is an extendable application and I now need to know what types of wizards you all want to see. I have a current linst of ideas here but if there are any other tedious tasks you think could be automated just let me know. Character CR2 generator. Once I figure out how to make a best guess for joint parameters I may do this one so you can get a new character into poser faster and easier. CR2 OBJ ripper. This will rip the geometry out of a CR2 file. Not the morphs but the actual geometry. If you have ever started a character in Poser you know that after fierst inport, the CR2 filke actually has the Geometry in it. Morph Squisher. Compresses an exported morph to remove unneeded lines to both reduce the size and protect copyrights. Morph Mirror. Will take a morph and create the corresponding Morph for it. Possibly going from one body part to another if the vertices are listed the same. Choices included for center body parts (like chest) would ask for left/right or right/left. Packager. This would search a CR2 for it's needed files and place them in a separate location ready for packaging. This would retian the directory hierarchy and possibly include zip capabilities. All of these would be free Plug-ins for the original package and I am open to suggestions for others.


Great Bizarro ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 2:34 PM

I read the information on your sales page for this product and don't quite understand what it does. Sounds like a Uvmapper and Tailor combination.


c1rcle ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 2:38 PM

how about ERC/EMC generator? maybe have a selectable list of morph targets and control points, then have the wizard put the code in the right places. I'm going mad on ERC/EMC at the moment, I just worked out how to add the code properly and I'm having fun setting up all the clothes I can find to use it.


KattMan ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 2:47 PM

c1rcle, ERC EMC sounds like a great idea. Will have to add that to the list. Bizarro, Actually it is far from UVMapper and Tailor. UVMapper creates UV coordinates used for creating a texture map. Tailor generates morph targets for clothing. The Poser Wizard as it currently stands has three wizards. The conforming Wizard will take a clothing model you made and create the CR2 for it so that it will conform to the character it was made for. The MATMOR wizard will take a saved CR2 and generate the MAT or MOR files to create this character without using a full CR2. THe OBJ Ripper is used for extracting the geometry out of props and hair files so that you can put them in UVMapper to create new UVMaps for them.


Great Bizarro ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 4:48 PM

Ah, now I understand. Sounds like a greatly needed product. Do you offer a demo version?


KattMan ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 5:29 PM

Actually no. Due to the way this is developed any demo would actually be releasing the true product. Kinda time consuming to push out code changes for every piece as every wizard is it's own self contained piece. They just need the Poser Wizard Framework piece order to initialize them properly.


ElectricAardvark ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 5:42 PM

rsr stripper. for those with pro pack to delete unnecessary rsr's. geometries folder cleaner. to clean out obj's no longer belonging to a CR2 or anything. ~EA


KattMan ( ) posted Fri, 12 April 2002 at 6:30 PM

hmmm, the RSR stripper seems like a one time thing. Use it once and your done. Still might be a good thing for people just moving over to Pro-Pack. I'm hesitant to do any deletes on someones drive. Perhaps just moving them to a separate location so the user can decide what to do would be better.


dwilmes ( ) posted Sat, 13 April 2002 at 8:20 PM

Included in CR2Edit5: CR2 OBJ ripper - modifies CR2 to use the extracted OBJ Morph Squisher -- choice of morph or standard OBJ Morph Mirror - for both CR2 and OBJ ERC/EMC generator MAT/MAP/MOR makers of all types Included in CR2Edit6 (in beta now) geometries folder cleaner Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com for CR2Edit, ZenPaint, ZenTile, VueMaster and the complete line of Zenware graphics apps


KattMan ( ) posted Sat, 13 April 2002 at 10:06 PM

Yep, but I have heard issues with it and all the test copies I had would never work right. My app could be an alternative with a completly different interface. Granted some things may be easier with CR2Edit due to the fact that it is supposed to be a true CR2 editor. Poser Wizard on the other hand is designed to automate specific tasks, essentially giving you some specific function with the click of a button. So due to this, the duplication isn't a problem for me, and my customers won't necessarily be yours.


ElectricAardvark ( ) posted Sat, 13 April 2002 at 10:56 PM

Kind of sounds like batch files


KattMan ( ) posted Sun, 14 April 2002 at 12:03 AM

well you can almost think of the difference between Poser Wizard and CR2edit in that fashion. Let me put it this way: CR2Edit basically gives you full control through one interface to change anything in a CR2. But try to make a conforming clothing CR2 from an OBJ. You still have to hand edit each and every parameter so that it matches the figure. The Poser Wizard on the other hand, has a Plug-in that creates this CR2 automatically, but does not give you the capability to hand edit each and every setting. So you see, these are two sides of the coin, or perhaps two completly different coins.


dwilmes ( ) posted Sun, 14 April 2002 at 10:23 AM

Since you aren't a registered user, you were using the shareware early Version 4, which was issued before the PPP and Vicki2, and cannot handle such files. I remember sending you an early beta of 5, since you had an interest in and knowlege of CR2 files, but didn't get feedback and so dropped you from the beta program, thus whatever version you are running is a minimum of 30 builds behind the latest ver5. CR2Edit is NOT a CR2Editor, I think you are confusing it with CR2Editor, by John Stallings, and that may be the basis of the confusion. It includes a dual pane Poser-oriented editor, with features such as immediate movement to any body part, but very few users ever need to use it, due to the automation of the tools. CR2Edit can create and work with any type of Poser file including OBJ, not just CR2 files. The app name is a holdover from the days of early Poser3, when it was first released. Clicking buttons is what CR2Edit is all about. For example, to create a CR2 with an external OBJ from one with embedded geometry is one click, then 2 save dialogs, for the CR2 and OBJ. Literally hundreds of files on sale at DAZ and elsewhere have been created with this tool, including hair, props, and characters/clothing. (It should be noted that the latest SP for the PPP makes files that can crash ver5.16 and earlier, due to the fact that certain lines are no longer inserted, and in some cases these lines served as markers for CR2Edit. Some of these issues are handled in the final build for ver5, but many will not be. Ver6 does handle these, as well as most hand-hacked files where proper formatting has not been implemented, the manual editor will in fact tell you where in the file the most common erros have been committed. Ver 4 and non-users should get 5, since the upgrade path from 5 will be cheaper than starting with 6.) Many people use CR2Edit to create conforming clothing, there are a number of ways to go about it. Most commonly, a Master CR2 is created from from the figure to be conformed to, the OBJ is repointed, the extra body parts are dragged to the trash can, JP's are tweaked or transferred from a similar clothing file. In ver6, there is a JP setup room that I think is better than Poser's, since it has undo's plus incremental saves to RAM. I tried for a long time to figure the JP's mathematically, but no matter what, they almost always needed some more tweaking, it seems there is art as well as science involved. If you can consistently create perfect JP's mathematically, my hat is off to you, and I say this without sarcasm. I'm still mystified by the math of figuring the spherical falloff lines and showing them in the JP room, I can get some to work but then others are way off. At any rate, I don't care about competition, this isn't how I make my living and I will never get back the thousands of hours that have gone into this app over the years -- there are over 63000 lines of code in the latest build, the exe is much bigger than Poser itself. If your tool can make consistently-usable conforming CR2's with just a couple steps, this is very useful indeed, and I'm sure your app will do well. regards, Dan


KattMan ( ) posted Sun, 14 April 2002 at 10:42 AM

Hey Dan, Maybe we should take this discussion elsewhere after this. As for the lack of response during the Beta process. Apparently some of our lines crossed because I felt that I was the one receiving the lack of response. I had written a few e-mails about it but never got a reply in return. As for making the conforming CR2 for clothing. It actually sounds like we are using the same process, that being using an existing CR2 as a seed. As for defining JP's mathematically, that is a topic and a project for the future. It is something I have planned and working on code to handle this. When I get something, you and I could have a few discussions on it. Might make both products better. Essentially, it is my belief that ANYTHING can be defined mathematically, you just need the right parameters.


dwilmes ( ) posted Sun, 14 April 2002 at 9:19 PM

Hi Kattman, I owe you an apology about lack of response. This isn't the only time this happened with my old ISP (not that EarthLurk is any better!) I had a client in Langley Virginia who could reach me, but he couldn't get my mail, we used ICQ to set up a thing where I would send things to an apartment in Paris, where it would be forwarded to him. (think maybe he is with the CIA, LOL?!) Then there was a Web friend in Canada who vanished for a few months, he was getting my mail but couldn't respond until he happened to change ISP's. Anyway, I worked out some math for the JP's, but even if they were mathemathically "correct", they weren't always right. It may be the art vs science thing after all, I've seen mathematical formulas for what constitutes beauty in the human body, but... Sure, I'd like to share ideas on this, particularly interested in spherical falloff zones. I miss the alt.Poser list, it isn't carried by my new ISP (Earthlurk/Mindsprung bought out my old one, along with practically every other independent, that's where I met you and George, of course. Definitely time to take this off the Poser Forum, you can reach me at info@zenwareonline.com and we can talk math and I can set you up with a beta of CR2Edit 6 if you would like. regards, Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com for CR2Edit, ZenPaint, ZenTile, VueMaster and the complete line of Zenware graphics apps


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