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Subject: Let's start a petition
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A petition? Do you think if you owned a business and someone proposed an idea that would reduce your bottomline that a petition would affect your business decision? Linux support might add a few more customers but probably not enough to justify the cost of porting Poser over to it (not to mention the added maintenance overhead).
A successful petition would demonstrate the potential market so that an informed decision on whether the cost of porting would be justified, and how many a "few" might be. (And a few very well may go up quite a bit if the release of Lindows is successful.) Many companies appreciate petitions because they either alert marketing to new areas they hadn't considered, or they save the cost of a study. It will certainly do no harm.
I'm in. and to port poser to linux, there are FREE utilities to recode the source to work on linux. mondoxjake, if you only know windows, then when installing linux set it to boot into a gui...easy and not real difference in use. it is only command line that is completely different...and that you don't have to defrag hard drive, linux scadisks continually so no need to worry about that either. it is almost impossible to crash linux ( I seriously had to work at it to get it to crash..and only then by runnig a hardware setup utility while it was already running.) aww you don't want people to go spend 50 to get the three cd's with a manual?...or 100 and get 7 cds of stuff. as opposed to what a grand for one cd for win?
Count me in for a Linux port. > Linux support might add a few more customers but probably not enough to justify the cost of porting Poser over to it (not to mention the added maintenance overhead). Maybe it is not a matter of getting new customers, but of holding the old. I'm just about ready to scrap Microsoft from my PC. The only program which is holding me back is Rhino 3D. I could do without Poser, but not without Rhino. ;P
Linux, here's my experience: I am a 10 years of experience computer technican, I am very technically minded when it comes to computers. I tried out Mandrake 8 on my spare laptop (A decent specced Sony Vaio). Installation was absolutely beautiful, very, very impressive. The GUI, KDE 2, very nice. Then I tried the 'built in' media player, simply to see how it handled a full screen video. Nothing, wouldn't even open up. So I went onto the web and found another media player. I installed it, it failed to run, I checked out another one, this one said I had to rebuild the kernal to get it to work. I promptly uninstalled Linux and returned to Windows 2000 which has never crashed, gives me perfect performance for all my apps and doesn't require me to rebuild my kernal just to play a video file. Sorry, Linux isn't ready yet, I heartly look forward to the day that it is as I have some good uses for it, but not yet. Best wishes Jody
only kidding guys & girls, don't all try to kill me at once, I used a mac about 12 years ago, it was a lovely experience, but all the places I've worked so far have used pc's so I had to go down the pc route to be able to keep up with them, the company I just left have only just switched over to NT4 so I'm about 3 years ahead of them now. Rob
EricTorstenson - I think Linux is a good idea, but I also think that CL is a relatively small team. Porting Poser to Linux will take time away from the development of the Poser product itself, and I doubt anyone would want that to happen. It''s not unlike the individual users who are already Mac or Win - if the extra time to switch to Linux won't give them any added fun, fame or fortune from their Poser work, then why do it? Some people enjoy the tech challenge, but most Poser users just want that grey box to get Poser up and running - and running smoothly ;o) If the potential earnings from a Linux port would pay both for new programmers on the CL team and make a profit, they might consider it, I suppose, but for that they'd need some very reliable statistics on just how many users are on Linux. If you're up to making such stats, I think they would be far more persuasive than any petition - and R'osity will be a fine place to gather such stats, as it's probably the largest single Poser community on the www. And just for the record : I'm on Windows.
Mad yuri, give me a few months or so..I'll have a linux version up and running of a 3ds max / rhino app. the nurbs modelling is simple..go to surceforge, they only have three or four hundred nurbs modelling packages available..free. continually upgraded to, open source gets a lot of improvements in a very short time. Jody, linux wouldn't find and use the soundcard on my laptopn either, it is laptop architecture that screws it over. mandrake 8 what? I'm currently running 8.2 and even 8.1 finds the sound card on the tower system 8.2 wouldn't find it on the laptop either. the majority are using desktops or towers, linux works fantastic on them. it only lacking support for laptops, which isn't suprising, since unix is a mainframe os, rather than a pc os. takes time to develope the apps to operate different architecture, as you should know, being an experienced computer person. an M$ screwed themselves when they stole the gui from Apple to make win95. I saw the Mac interface in 82, when Mac first came out, and win95 is obviously directly ripped from that. add that M$ can't clean up their coding if their lives depended on it, I bet if you scrolled through your windows directory on an xp machine you would still find win3.1 apps..and you better not delete them, you will crash the os. yes, emm386.exe is still a required 20 year old app for windows. as soon as I code a decent version of a poser like program win is gone from every computer around me...unless cl comes up with a linux port, I'll start selling the linux app for 30.00 if coded right, work even better than cl poser5, so might get people to make the switch to linux and not use cl product. I'll put the beta on sourceforge, or a similiar site....ooh, lest we forget, that would also mean that Stormrage is using the app I coded, when it's ready.
Could you windows PC users enlighten me on something??
First I am very happy that Apple has FINALLY built US MAC users a modern operating system(OSX)
we Now have Protected memory
Dynamic memory allocation
pre-emptive multitasking
and root level access to the core of our OS
for experienced unix users.
Now I also own an OLD PC that i found abandoned
in the trash and rebuilt it from spare parts
and I am now running windows NT4 servicepack 6
on this old 133mhz pentium I.!!!!! :-/
My understanding is that NT, win2000, and XP
ALL have those modern stabilty features that Apple has
FINALLY adopted with OSX
Other than an irrational" follow the heard"
Hatred of its billionaire Owner,(Gates),
why do so many PC people hate windows?????
I really like NT4 and find it rock solid
and XP looks very attractive if i ever get a new modern second PC.
Attached Link: http://www.lindows.com/
i'm waiting for lindows. no, not THAT; it's a linux platform that runs windows apps. microsoft is still busy suing them over their name, last i heard. :/ i can't believe you people have NEVER had any windows os's crash on you. okay, i might believe it if you only turn on windows and.... don't do anything. maybe play solitaire. but anything else? what's the secret??? oh, i know; don't try to customize the interface. ::sigh::
I'd love to see poser on Linux, but I can't see the economics of it. Windoze and Unix have different strengths. Windoze is easier to use but isn't so stable, so is better for users who just want their applications to work most of the time. Unix is MUCH more stable but less user friendly, so is better where stability is important (eg. network servers) or for people who like getting into the "nuts and bolts" of the OS. (I use both for different things.)
Hatred of its billionaire Owner,(Gates), why do so many PC people hate windows????? I don't hate Gates and I don't hate Windows. Win2000 or XP are really decent OS, as long as all drivers are ok. But I hate, loathe and distrust Microsoft. There are many reasons for this, I could fill a whole website with them. But someone else did this already: Kein Mitleid mit Microsoft! No mercy for Microsoft!. And I make really good money with Linux programming. ;)
You deserve the $$$! Unfortunately, that's one reason windoze is catching on more in network environments. Windows administrators are easier to find (and usually less expensive) that Unix administrators, so so even though windows software is more expensive and less reliable, it's often cheaper to run in a commercial environment. Sad, but true...
Network administration? I wouldn't touch this stuff with a ten foot pole. Regardless if its Windows or Linux. I did this in the past and now I have grey hair. :P
Naw, right now I'm programming device drivers for PMD motion processors. Making happy little wafer prober and other robots.
Its quite easy to crash Linux while kernel programming. My record is 52 times in one day. ;)
Hm, I'm not sure why the point is being missed. Current Linux installations are just as easy as windows 2000. There are some aspects which might trip up a new user, when you get into configuration issues, but most of those features are set reasonably right out of the box. This has nothing to do with Gates, nor MS. It's simply about a third OS that has the best of all worlds: ease of use, highly configurable, and high stability. The major factor that is lacking, is consumer software. Of course, most vendors aren't just going to give away their hours for a dozen users, but there will be a point at which consumer software will be an economically sound investment. Some of us are just hoping it will be sooner than later. My intent for this thread, was simply to get a feel for the numbers of linux users who are stuck using windows. Response count is pretty much what I figured (feared), but the numbers will likely grow. As for companies who are still rolling out windows systems for server stuff, they are simply ill-informed. The real costs for hiring MCSEs to play with windows servers (which require a lot more regular attention) is much more expensive than companies initially expect. Often, the numbers of these technicians has to be higher because of the frequency of problems. 2 yearly salaries at 40K is still less than 1 at 60K, and the initial investment for linux based server solutions is much lower ($ thousands for multi server solutions)---Also, I have no idea what sysadmins get paid, but I would be surprised if ux guys get even 50% more than MCS?s with comparable skills. eric
it may be easier to find a msce to run your network, but, in my opinion, if I needed a network in my office, I would also need reliability, much more important for operating the business than ease of finding people. let's face it, people are worth less to the employer than the equipement, he has to buy the equipement and software, only has to pay the employee for work done. I used to work in a bank, they upgraded to win95 while I was there. I was the only person in the bank that could fix the problems that came up because of the ware. and I never went and got any papers from M$ to show I have the skills. since I left the bank has been losing customers..the system keeps crashing on them...and they have to wait for offsite tech to come in and fix it. ~note to self..go talk with the Chairman for the bank board about solving that for them~
Jaqui, I feel the same way you do, but it does depend on the organization's circumstances. For a small/mid-sized company that needs a windoze administrator anyway, it may make sense to use windows servers if they don't have to hire an additional unix administrator, and some organizations can also afford more down-time than others. The availabilty of unix people also varies geographically, and some people are simply afraid of unix. (I'm a fan of unix, but see both sides.)
I've used all the windoze versions since 3.1 and until I changed to XP every one of them crashed, 95 was the worst crashed 5 times a day at least, since getting xp about 2 months ago I've only had 1 serious system failure and that was caused by a virus not windoze itself, so I'm happy to give bill "satan" gates my money again...baa baa Rob
I'm a Windows developer, tho I started with Apple, and I am all for increased success for Mac and Linux, cuz MS (or any company)desperately needs competition to keep them moving forward. Mac seems to have finally stopped losing market share, but Linux has a LONG way to go, sadly. Of the last 50000 visitors to my website: 16 were Linux. Even Windows 3.1 beat out Linux. I don't mention this to discourage people, but those are the facts; critical mass is a long ways off. But it is very encouraging to see that people are working on apps that will help Linux reach that point! Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com for CR2Edit, ZenPaint, ZenTile, VueMaster and the complete line of Zenware graphics apps
">But first bring me the head of Bill Gates.<"
Strange, in my home state here in virginia
there is a billionaire family Named MARS
they OWN the chocolate bar industry in america
having bought out every competitor years ago.
yet i dont see the Gestapo errr!! ahem!!.. Justice Department :-)
dragging them into court over their "illegal" monopoly
or any consumer groups complaining how the little" Mom and Pop"
Chocolate foundries have been Squeezed out
yet at a 60 % obesity rate America has the FATTEST
Populace on the planet.
Bill Gates/ Microsoft is more responsible for the
proliferation of FREE technology amongst Low income and minoritiy citizens in america ,than any single source on the planet!!
He Gives way hundreds of millions each year in hardware and software to schools in low income urban and rural areas of the country that normally would never have a chance to expose young minds to any high-tech giving them the tools to train for careers beyond the food service industry or a life of crime.
I still have yet to find that one low income working consumer whos life has been damaged by Microsft's So called "monopoly"
And sorriest Spectacle I have EVER witnessed in my life
was that of :
Scott Mcnealy of Sun microsystems ( Billionaire)
James barksdale of netscape ( Billionaire)
and Micheal Dell of DELL computers ( Billionaire),
on Capitol hill in washington DC whining that
another Billionaire (Gates ) has out manuvered them
through clever marketing and exclusive but legal contracts.and managed to stuff a few billion more MARS chocolate barsinto his cupboard than
they have in theirs
The working public was understandibly unsympathetic
and the last time I looked Micheal Dell wasnt giving away $100,000,000 worth of his products!! to poor people.
Sorry for the rant :-)
But when i see the human lives destroyed
by the auto,alcohol , and tobacco industry in America each year,
I tend to think that the affable four eyed Geek from Redmond should be cut some slack :-)
No one has ever been thwarted by chocolate's Blue Screen of Death. Or had to install more memory before eating a Twix bar. Or waited for the latest upgrade to fix Snickers compatibility issues (except the lactose-intolerant).
I'm not a Gates-basher, either. Let's all gang up on Dell. Am I the only one who finds Ben "Steven" Curtis annoying?
He Gives way hundreds of millions each year in hardware and software to schools in low income urban and rural areas...
Yep, he gives with one hand and takes with the other. :P
Microsoft is actually enforcing the agreed to terms it its software licsencsing agreement.
Oh the Horror!! "-)
Gotta agree with Little Dragon, "Steven" is the best reason not to buy a Dell. :) We may complain about the stability of windows, or Microsoft's "marketing" techniques, but they played a major role in the growth of the PC industry by making PC's easier to use for "non-geeks," which meant more people buying them, more manufacturers making them, and more "bang for the buck" for everyone. My first PC was a 10 Mhz 286 running DOS 3.x, with a 20 Meg hard drive, no speakers, EGA monitor, 512K of RAM, dot-matrix printer, and cost just over $3,000. Now, I can get ~1000 times the performance for a third of that price. For that, I'm grateful.
No one would argue that, but most would prefer using window's "search" to find all files with "curly" in the name over typing in "ls -alR | grep curly" at a UNIX prompt. I'd also rather drag and drop from a file manager than enter something like "cp ../../../../../home/whisker/*.zip ." to move files around. CLI has it's place, but GUI's are easier to learn, more efficient for people who type like I do (fat-fingered,) and less intimidating for users who just want their applications to work.
Spinner, I have seen that photoshop runs well under vmware, but I don't know if they have plans for a native version. As for corel, they had their own version of linux for a while (which wasn't very successful) I think they are out of the OS business, but who knows, they might be planning on offering their graphical products under linux. They did release Wordperfect Suite for linux, but I think that was written in java, so it wasn't exactly a big deal to port it. ablc mentioned getting poser4 to run under vmware, anyone have any experience with this? I would gladly pay for it, were I to know before I spent the money, that the two programs I was buying it for (poser and vue4) worked, and were as stable as they are under win2k. Has anyone tried it with wineX 2.0 ? I tried the cvs version, but my window's directory is unavailable, so it was running off of the vanila wineX components :( Neither program ran under that configuration. eric
I believe Corel has released a free version of Photo-Paint for Linux. Check their site. I've been programming and using computers since the days of CP/M. I triex Linux. The GUI (KDE) felt clunky compared to a Mac or Windows but that was a minor issue. The first app I tried to install required more commandline silliness than I've seen since the early days of DOS. Linux may be a good fit for the server room or a managed environment with plenty of support. In my opinion though, it's not a viable choice for the average home user yet. I know some people have an almost religious aversion to Microsoft for various reasons. My experience with Windows 2000 has convinced me that a lack of stability is not a viable argument. Using NTFS, the system is rock solid. I haven't run scandisk in well over a year, simply because Poser has eaten up so much, I don't have the free space to run it. The system still runs flawlessly. On rare occasions, Windows will repair an index entry at bootup. The one crash I've had (a hardware failure) was repaired easily with no loss of data. If there's any secret, it's a clean install, not an upgrade, which is probably a good idea for any OS. As for CL, first of all, remember that EGISys has something to say about this as well. Regardless of how easy the port may or may not be, there are also costs associated with support that continue, from fixing bugs to maintaining the inventory of CDs. The fact that bigger companies like Corel backed off from some of their initial Linux forays should be a hint that perhaps the money isn't on the desktop yet. As long as there are viable solutions for running Poser such as Lindows, VMWare, WINE or whatever, I simply don't see the compelling logic for CL. Jaqui, I look forward to your $30.00 Poser 5 killer. That should be something to see. I have VMWare so I can run Suse and be ready for it. BTW a search of my Win2K system drive reveals that emm386.exe must not be as necessary as you thought, since it isn't there.
"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken
what I find is interesting is that my hardcore unix/linux friends believe that the GUI is for "Wimps" and you should do everything Via Command line.
yet every here apparently wants a windows style GUI with Linux underneath and i agree that NT with NTFS has settled the "stability issue"
BUT!!
if you truly want a very pretty graphical user interface,
Good Software support:
(Adobe)
(Macromedia)
(Curious labs)
(MS Office)
(Newtek)
( Maxon)
(Lipsinc)
a Rock solid and accessable UNIX Core
and whatever emotional satisfaction is gained from dumping windows,
Theres always the OSX Macintosh :-)
Re: Hate windows... I don't actually hate Windows, since I finally got Win98 performing at 95% potential I plan on sticking with it for awhile. The thing I do hate about Windows [any version] is all the crap I don't need/want/will never use, it loads into my system and registry and won't let me get rid of. Probably many MB's worth of wasted disk space I could put to better use...I like to be in total control of my system. #1 on my list is IE and all of it's little pieces of nonsense...I an a Netscape fan and use NeoPlanet as a secondary browser.
Attached Link: http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html
Mondoxjake, there is software available to remove IE strip and 98 down to it's essentials. It is called "98Lite". Microsoft may be fudging about how critical IE the browser is but the guts of IE are put to use in a lot of place and very well in my opinion. I like being able to type a url into a file browsing window and bang, I've gone from file browser to internet browser. Using the browser metaphor through the system simply makes sense and it works well. But you can still use Netscape if you want. As of late March, Netscape's market share was reported to be down to 7%, so they can use your support. Hey Linux folks, I see that "Caldera, Conectiva, SuSE, and TurboLinux--announced the creation of a single Linux distribution." This sounds like a move in the right direction, but watch out, they may become another Microsoft."Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken
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Does anyone else here want to see CL add Linux to it's list of supported OS? Why? Linux offers far better Memory management, file management, increased stability, and with the new desktop options, a much more satisfying computing experience (I think it can be more comfortable than Mac, when using Gnome 2 or KDE 3) With the cost of 3 CDRs, and some download time, you can have: one of the more reliable OSs for micro pcs, a very complete office suite, several email programs (even an outlook clone if you are at work), something similar to Photoshop, several silly games.......you name it. With the money you saved from M$, you could buy poser, Vue or Bryce! Who else wants to see Poser on linux? eric