Is it true poser 5 is coming out, if so where can I read about it?

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Renderosibee is my hero.

Wouldn't it be nice! But you know, as soon as it finally does get released, it'll be a time when I don't have any money. That's Murphy's Law, you know. Always a day late and a dollar short. I just hope they keep the price down and that whatever magic they're performing with it will be worth it. I have fond (not!) memories of when Poser 4 first came out, sometime back in the last century. It was sort of a sneak attack. It just sort of appeared one day when no one was looking, and when everyone rushed right out and bought it, we all found so many flaws in it, the discussion forums were literally boiling over with complaints. So, I'm hoping this looonnnnggg delay in releasing Poser 5, if indeed it really does exist, will be because they're ironing out any glitches and problems to avoid the fiasco that MetaCreations caused last time, by releasing it before it was still an embryo. I want my Poser 5 fully baked this time. Melanie

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Melanie: You speak my thoughts. Until I found renerosity I didn't know how far you could push poser, or it's limitations. I'm grateful for Poser as it is and for this community. I hope that CL won't be in such a hurry to get my money that it comes out half baked. I can wait. - bikermouse

Bikermouse...amen! If they're going to do it, let them do it right. I'm also tempted to wait a bit after its release and see what folks are saying about it first before I put out my hard earned cash for it. If they're going to have to issue updates for bugs, I'd rather wait until they release a corrected version and not have to mess with downloading and installing updates like we did with P4. I never did buy ProPack. I figure P5 might have a lot of PP's functions, so I don't really need to put out for a separate program when it could be a part of Poser 5. At least, that's what I've heard people speculating. In the meantime, I'm just grateful for Poser 4. It came a long way from P3, inspite of the initial warts. Melanie

I new that P4 and Poser Pro Pak were in beta when files started to show up here you need a "later version". I haven't come across that error message yet. My guess...if the CL follow the formula that Meta Creation had ....Siggraph!

from what I heard july is to soon for it. couple of months later maybe.

I figure the chances of getting Poser 5 to run on my 500mHz Win98 system with 300-some megs of RAM are slim to none, so I imagine I'll be waiting for a while.

Fyre Spiryt, naw, from what I heard it will run fine. might want more ram but other than that it be fine. ~g~

With all these delays on the release, it is probably wise to put your money in a mutual fund. By the time Poser 5 is release you can cash out your mutual fund and buy Curious Labs. Okay, that wasn't too funny. JV

I watch CNBC daily, that wasn't just funny, it's hysterical :)

FyreSpiryt, Poser 4 runs fine on my Pentium III Win98 with 128mb RAM and I never have glitches. So, I would assume P5 will work OK. Melanie

Melanie, you will purchase Poser 5 the instant it is released, like everyone else, and you know it! (laughs) Alex

That amazon ad is bogus-- the publishers later rescinded the pub date-- they don't know any more than we do. And that particular author is generally considered awful. Just a heads up. Emily

The publisher's reaction was hilarious - Gee, we don't know when it's coming out, but we're sure we can quickly put a book together on how to use it once we get a copy of the program. Shamms Mortier would get himself laughed out of Renderosity if he ever showed up here. My stuff 2 years ago was better than his crap, and I'm not very good at Poser or Bryce. I've seen first pictures from absolute newbies that show more ability than his published stuff. I absolutely do not understand how he got more than one book published. I admit I was suckered into buying two books. The first one was because I didn't know any better. The second was due to a misunderstanding, and I was POed when I realised whose book I'd picked up instead of the one that I wanted.

I bought one of is books. I returned it a day later.

Unfortunately, Mr. Mortier's illustrations are very simple, using default settings and lighting. Pretty unprofessional. I hate to judge him or criticize him, but I have to agree with the others here that his books aren't very good. If he really was expert enough at Poser to get books published, his illustrations should be good examples of the possibilities with the program. Rather, he only shows the very basics, using all the lowest resolution characters in the program, like P4 business man, set on default camera focal length, default lighting, etc. The poses are stiff and mannequin-like and the facial expressions he illustrates are laughable. So exaggerated, no one would ever want to use them. Any renders he included in the book were pretty simplistic. Sorry, Shamms! I think I'll pass on the Poser 5 Handbook. Melanie

I wrote the publishers some time back and suggested that unless Charles River Media was a vanity imprint of a larger publisher with money to burn, they had better reconsider working with Mortier on any further fifty-dollar toilet-fillers. To their credit they replied and I got the impression they took my comments seriously. At least, I thought so at the time...

P5's TOC [comments mine]:

Table of Contents

1. **Foreword
   ** [I'd like to thank the following, without whom this could not have been possible: the editors at CRM, my faithful hamster Ernie, and Jameson's 100 proof Irish Whiskey]

2. **Introduction
   ** [I got away with it again! Suck it, render-creeps!]

3. Poser for Beginners

4. • Navigating the Interface

• Using the Libraries

• Using the Parameter Dials
  [6.0 is always a good place to start]

• Animating Poser Elements

• Rendering Options
  [How to get the best possible render of an ugly winking, gape-mouthed grinning man in a baseball cap, with thumbnail-size thumbnails]

• A Basic Poser Project
  [Make a five-headed chimp with a waffle bumpmap and giant bug eyes, wearing a torus as a tutu]

• Applying Costumes and Clothes
  [Beginners only render nudes in empty space; you're on your way to Power User when you know how to put on the tuxedo, boyeee]

• Hand-held Props

• Using Articulated Props

• Customizing Textures
  [Fat men with see-through strips in their middles! Skin textures that look like eight-day slamdance bruises!]

1. Poser for Intermediate Users- The Walk Designer
   [Natural motion, e.g. John Cleese or a Kashmiri border guard]

• Warp and Wave
  [Lasagna-Wavy-Head Man! Won't Adam Sandler be jealous! Clothing wrinkling and ruffling is too advanced, this will be covered in the next book]
• BVH Animations
  [Turns out it isn't a brand of men's underwear! Who knew?]
• Creating and Importing Your Own Characters
  [Somewhere in the last ten pages you mastered 3D modeling in other applications, remember?]
• Bones and Other Advanced Options

1. Poser for Advanced Users
2. **Wacky and Wonderful Possibilities
   **- Genetic Engineering
   [Raptor-headed wolves! Salesmen with cowboy hats and mermaid tails! Authors with no brain matter!]

• Pushing the Parameters
  [of PT Barnum's famous maxim]

• A Few Project Tutorials
  [Recreating the soft, natural ambient lighting and classical mathematical composition of Rubens and Vermeer, this time with shark-headed dogs riding giant mice]

1. Complex Poser Projects
2. Poser Masters- Daz3D Chapter
   [Buy first, ask questions later. Hey, you spent $50 on this, right?]

• Chapter Contributions From Other Poser Users
  [This time, I put it at the end of the book so as to avoid the jarring effect of clear, concise writing and useful advice]

Appendices:

1. What's on the CD-ROM
2. Vendor Data
3. Handshaking
   [I could call it "working with other software," but that wouldn't sound half so k3wl, would it]

What I don't see are chapters on lighting, cameras, the sketch designer, simplified basics of composition theory, animation rendering, Flash export, joint-controlled morphs, .CR2 hacking, hair transmapping, MAT posing, motion blur, lip synching techniques... should I stop here?

Cripes Duane if you keep on pushing it you'll get us a really usable book! But keep on pushing it man! Why not write it yourself? Get Poser 5, and write as you learn the program. If no publisher wants it then get it copyrighted anyway and set it up as a downloadable .pdf for money right here on R'osity, and everywhere else. You'd have to let site owners, daz people, Curiouslabs people all read it and review it for the public. It would also make you some piece of change too. Alex

Wunderbar, except I don't have Pro Pack and I think such a book should be written by someone who does. Moreover, Richard Schrand already published one.

Well if someone would just send me a copy of P5 and PP (Cross fingers) I promise to get right down to writing the book. Honest. (End cross fingers)

Duane! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's very funny! I have a Shamms book on Lightwave Modeling- that pretty much follows the same formula. Unfortunately, silly me did not look at it until the return time had passed! :-( IT follows much the same pattern as you describe... Chapter ONE: Import the PoserDork into Lightwave apply "handshaking", add to a blender with ice-push the BIG red button and render a PoserDork wearing a Tutu made out of a Torus. TWO: Import the Poserdorkette, make her head look like a waffle with various modelling tools.... Anyone want a new copy of Lightwave Modelling by Mortier for CHEAP??? :-) Eric