is it like texture..?

mobius is the name used to refer to the effect you get when you have a texture applied to a shaded object that gradually transforms into a wiremesh frame of that object, usually used as an illustration of that objects 3 dimensional properties. Its not really good for anything specifically as far as im aware, it just looks "cool" sometimes

i was just training with CB Poser Tutorials.. at: http://www.3dprotagonist.com/pages/mobiustut.html
and i spent 20 minutes,,for that mobius.. ha..see thats the prices for beginners ;))

great Tutorials over their thogh..do you know any of that type around the net ?

I'm not 100% certain, but I beleive it originated with the work of an artist here named "Mobius"

thanks anyway for your replay

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=165766

bbyu- Its not used very much except to convey transition between things and digital. This is a good thread. If anyone has made a pic using the mobius effect why don't you post a link here to share it :) I'd really love to see whats been done :)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=Lucy%5FFur

This mobius effect was made in Paint Shop Pro 7 - done with two layers & an eraser. I had been trying to see if PSP could/would do an image gradient fill like Photoshop can, but it doesn't - well, in a way it does, but only with black and white bmp files. If anyone knows a work-around for it for PSP, I'd love to know where the tutoral is. :)

Bbyu, look up at the top of this page. The Renderosity logo has a mobius effect used in it. That's an example of a creative use for it. Lyrra, I remember the guy who called himself Mobius here in the forums, but I don't know for sure if he originated the idea and gave it the name or not. I've seen it used in commercial art for years. Melanie

Moebius Strip is a piece of fabric (a long skinny bit of paper will do) where you make a loop and then twist one end 180 degrees before attaching it. You then have a 1-sided piece of paper. This is an apparent paradox... but any 5 year old can make one. The name comes from a German mathematicion of the early 1800s who worked with these bilinear transformations and other fun stuff. An artist named Escher used this effect of twisting space in a large number of his etchings. There is a rather famous one of ants endlessly marching around this wire-frame fabric, which is probably where the computer artists picked it up... and then misapplied the name to the pattern under their feet ::roll eyes:: and not the substance defining their spatial relationships. Another single-sided object is the Klein Bottle. No inside, no outside... just 1 side. Neat. Glassblowers sometimes make them. BTW, there is a French "cartoonist" who works under the name Moebius. Incredibly nice work (and I don't usually rapturize over graphic novels). I believe that he gave The Fifth Element a lot of its look. I do find it hard to believe that this thread is 4 hours old, and nobody has mentioned the mathematics of transformations in space or the man who originally proposed them. Carolly

Carolly, heh sometimes...naaaa You are right on all of that but you forgot the context of the question. It's like if I asked "What is a pack of fags?" and you answered with "Fag is a slang term for homosexual." It may be technically right but in the context of the question it is completly and utterly wrong. Though anyone reading might actually get interested in a klien bottle. Matter of fact they should look it up if nothing else for it's esthetics. Oh and here is another little known fact about klien bottles, if you cut them in half the cut edge shows a mobies strip. Ok that might be known by people familiar with klien bottles, but how many people is that relativly.

Attached Link: http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/klein/

Should be a snap, huh?

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=656&Start=156&Sectionid=0&Form.Search=Mobius

Yep it is a technique name thus because it was first used by 'Mobious'. Helen

Well, I think it was named that here for his use of it, but he was not the first to use it. It's been around since long before Poser. I remember seeing it at least back in the late eighties. But I agree, I believe he popularized it here, as best as I can tell.

There is a klein bottle for Poser in freestuff, do a search on Klein Regards- Lemurtek

Kattman, It may be used by you for that small isolated technique, but in the context of the question, which I answered, it definately applies to the entire idea of transformations. He asked "is it like texture", and I replied "no". Moebius is not like texture. It may be used as a name for a technique which yield a certain appearance, but it isn't texture. Now you are wondering why I think that the wider application is the right, as well as more complete, answer? He could quite easily have seen any of the Siggraph entries from past years, showing this effect in 3D space, especially if he is taking classes in this stuff. Animated 3D space. Architectural 3D space. Or even, gasp, the commercials showing little marching men (was that Poser 1?) endlessly circling in 3D space. We work in 3D space and some of us actually utilize it to its more warpable extremes. (If you think my sense of humor is twisted!!! you should see my designs.) This person may be a beginner, but we have no idea of what he might be able to do, given inspiration... and a correct answer... and the idea that exploring is fun. Lemurtek, Yep. :) Nabbed that bottle when it appeared. I think I've got another one, too... maybe from PropsGuild? I envy Little_Dragon's database, but have no desire to set up spreadsheets for everything... that is work. Are you familiar with "The Space Child's Mother Goose"? I like the way he plays with the language as well as the concepts. Here are two appropriate to this thread: "Three jolly sailors from Blaydon-on-Tyne They went to sea in a bottle by Klein. Since the sea was entirely inside the hull The scenery seen was exceedingly dull." "Flappity, Floppity, Flip! The mouse on the Moebius Strip. The Strip Revolved, The Mouse dissolved In a chronodimensional skip." Frederick Winsor must have been an incredible father or favorite uncle. Sigh. Carolly

Hiram, Thanks for the site! Those figure 8 kleins are just gorgeous. Another limerick, oh, frabjous day! :)

Ah, how soon we forget. Lyrra is correct Mobius was/is an artist ( as well a strange hypergeometry). Unfortunately, all links to him appear to be dead. One of his contribution to Poser was the Mobius Hi-Res Woman. This was an increased resoultion Poser 4 female created in 3DS Max. Though Vethril created some morphs for her, she ended up mainly as one of those dead ends on the Poser evolutionary tree, rendered mostly obsolete by the likes of Victoria. She doesn't wear P4 clothes without morphing and the few standard poses I tried just now tended to wreck her.