I've decided to remove My Teaser MOR Set for Vicki from freebies. I'll give everyone a chance, who want it, to grab it... & it'll stay on the server. I plan to remove it late tomorrow night/tuesday morning... after that, IM Me & I'll pass the link to you. My gallery might follow, for I do NOT like what I see happening... a Community torn apart by 1 man's Greed & EGO. Also, My store will be going up somewhere else, plans are already in the works. I thought Hitler died in WW 2 ?? or.... Maybe Tim is along, lost relative of his?? Who knows, maybe after Rosity goes from making $$$ to in debt again, he might then realize the Recourse for his actions. Maybe he will also realize, no matter how great the Empire, with greed & ego... it WILL fall. My opinion. Thomas

smitthms: "I thought Hitler died in WW 2 ?? or.... Maybe Tim is along, lost relative of his??" aw, c'mon, that's ugly... :( i also disagree strongly to what is happening at rosity, and how this "crisis" is managed, but this is pure bs...

Yes, it's a bit strong I agree - but having read all the threads about this I've decided that I'm no longer going to buy from the merchants here and put money in that man's pocket. Jack

well, call me a selfish bastard, but it's all upon merchants. if they feel they have been treated badly then they should move on. as long as renderosity provides good quality for good money value, i'm buyer. i don't want to punish myself for what other people do or don't - if i need some object from the store i'll buy it. i have a bussiness to run and not much time for this petty soap. it's not as if he was imploying slaves or children. merchants know what has been done and how it's been done, so they can do the math and ask themselves when it's gonna be their turn. if they decide to go to poserpros or rdna or daz - suits me fine. i'll buy it there. renderosity isn't the only site around. maybe the biggest but that's a subject to change...

aleks... renderosity isn't the only site around. maybe the biggest but that's a subject to change... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My point exactly. The rest... well, I've already said it. Thomas

It seems like I missed something...what happens actually? Thomas (yes, one too)

Go to the Forum News under Admin Forums...there are a number of long threads on the subject. However, they only gives one side of the situation. I have no clue what the truth is.

This is a sad day indeed...sigh Makes one wonder what will happen next. With the way things are sounding, it's making me (and a number of artist friends) wonder if R'osity will start turning against all of it's members saying "You posted this image here and over there so, you're banned now from the Poser forum because you have work on more than one site and we wouldn't want secret poser techniques to get out to the other sites." Or worse yet...making all of it's members decide to either post ONLY here or not at all...sigh When I found Renderosity some years ago, I really felt that this community was based on trust and making things better for all artists in the community. I'm not so sure...

The truth is easy to ascertain... since the merchants' forum is closed to all but merchants (why? I dunno), you may want to have a peek around at other sites, like 3DC (http://www.3dcommune.com), Poser Pros (http://www.poserpros.com) or etc. We largely kept thewhole thing out of Faeriewylde, because the affairs of humans should not necessarily domainte everywhere :) I'm only posting these URL's in the interest of readers getting both sides of the story, since the PTB has only seen fit to post their side, which is their right to. 'course, if I get banned for posting these URL's in the Poser forum, then at least you'll all know why. /P

serpentis : Makes Me wonder too ... this was a hard decision to make, but Lady & I discussed it, & felt it was in Our best interest to take Our store elsewhere. I'll still be a member, & might post My renders occasionally, but not nearly as heavy as I have. The other thing is, the store is just a hobby, so, getting MEGA sales for financial survival isn't that important, truth be told, I plan to more freebies out for artists than in the store. Thomas

By the way, smitthms, I'm sorry to see you go. Your Vicki morph teaser looked really nice. (Downloaded it but haven't had the chance to play with it yet) IF you decide to go elsewhere, please let us know where you go.

man serpentis you are right this is a sad day. I've only been here at R'osity for a few months. I've started to get the hang of using the site and finding out how close of a community you people that have been here awhile have made. I guess greed hits all in ways we would never realize. Hopefully as close of a community there is here it can help get through all this. Maybe even make a solid voice to the right people that without a strong comunity there isn't going to be much left. However this is just my opinon I'm too new in this community in my book to really judge whats rite and whats wrong but I just liked to share my opinion and thats all it is my opinion.

Looks like we kinda cross posted there Thomas (damn my slow typing LOL) I recently started learning modeling and decided when I reached a level I beleved was strong enough to hold it's own I was going to start selling (for fun of course, it's not the money I'm interested in, but as time consuming as some things are, it would be nice to recieve a little something) and the MP here was one place I was looking at to do so. I'm not so sure anymore sigh Which isn't a decicion I came to lightly, but I would like the option of going other places with my products if I chose to beause I made them, I own them. Penguinisto, You've helped me out in the past with Poser issues that were beyond my grasp, and I thank you dearly for that help. I've always enjoyed your work. You've always been one of the forerunners around here, helping people out with this or that and have always had kind words for everyone (with exceptions lol) I have read topics at Poser Pros, haven't been to the Commune yet, much of this has taken up a great deal of time this afternoon. But it is a topic that we all need to know about and understand. I guess I'd just like to see a little more about the reasons WHY this is going on and what prompted the contract change with the merchants. Just my opinion though - Kymm

The policy itself isn't so harsh, if it were put in with some foresight and forethought - Tim Choate came down and said that merchants who worked at other stores (not multi-store merchants, but merchants who were admins of other brokerages, say) would be denied access to the merchants' private forum. Okay, but consider this - they also said that these "competitors" would still have their stores in place. Now, this is where I got angry at it... some merchants were being treated as second-class citizens here, suddenly. Also, Tim claimed that these guys would "leak trade secrets" (which is almost a direct quote), yet the merchants' forum contains absolutely no trade secrets at all. Then Tim claims that Mehndi and Co. were only going to post things that would destroy R'osity and mislead merchants. When challenged to come up with proof, there was none. Meanwhile, Mehndi and Paul (Entropic) get banned, and Paul was banned before he could even clear out his gallery (which at last check was still up...) With every "explanation", Tim kept throwing out mroe and more obfusation. I really don't want to drag this out any further, so perhaps you can read for yourself at the FN&TC forum, where I announce my store closing. IMHO, if R'osity wants to be a community, I'm more than happy to participate as charitably as humanly possible. OTOH, if, as is intimated, Tim wants Renderosity to be a cut-throat business along the lines of Microsoft, then so be it - I refuse to play the charade, and will take my assistance (and money) elsewhere. /P

Pen, that's where I was getting confused. If there were no "secret" information in the forum, then what is all this stuff about? I read the threads where Mehndi and Entropic were banned and I can only imagine how infureated Entropic must be about his gallery (which I just checked, is still up) I understand that Tim wants to make money, but this has ALWAYS been a user driven community with little or no input from the admins unless they had helpful comments or to settle difference with it's members. So why NOW are all of these things coming into light? I've only had a few encounters with Mehndi personally, but what I know is that both Mehndi and Entropic have always been pleasant people around here. I'm keeping up with the FN threads and am worried on not only a customer base, but an artistic base as well. As I stated previously, if he can turn on his merchants, what's to say he won't do the same to the artists who post in this community? If he can punish those who run their own brokerage sites like this and throw illfounded statements around about them...what will he do next? Make all artists ONLY post here? Tell us that our personal sites with our work is "competition" to people coming in and perusing our galleries which gives him more traffic? Tell us that we're banned for posting at 3DC or elsewhere? I have a deep seeded feeling that this is just the beginning of the "changes" that will go on around here and I, for one, am completely worried about what stands where?

I seem to post this once every couple of months...but if you do not like the way rosity is run (it is a buisness after all) then you can go up under member options and select the "leave" option, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Though the members make this an online community...it is essentially here (NOW) to make money, they put policies in place to ensure that, wether you like the way they do that is up to you.

so you want us to leave if we dont like it...well buddy it seems lots of people dont seem to like it, and if yer telling people to leave are you saying you rather see a stong community to just crumble up and then have the site here close cuz no one is a part of it...yeah buddy briliant time to tell people to leave, becuse from what im seeing people are already tempted to leave, but yet dont want to see a strong commuity they have built fall...but you seem to.

odeathoflife - I'm not saying I'm unhappy here, just worried. I've been here quite a while and don't just want to "bail" when things get tough. I'd like to see resolution and find out exactly what's going on. I know a site like this needs money to run the way it needs to be run. I understand that from a business standpoint he needs to at least cover his costs per month running. However, he does NOT need to start banning people and throwing slanderous rumors around about members/former members like Penguinisto stated he did. "Then Tim claims that Mehndi and Co. were only going to post things that would destroy R'osity and mislead merchants. When challenged to come up with proof, there was none." If that's the way he wants to run his business, he's going to run into more problems than helpful solutions. If he is worried about "trade secrets" getting out to the general public, then site topics such as the store SET UP needs to be in an admin forum, not anywhere else. If, as has been stated, the merchant forum contained no site secrets and was all about merchants and vendors being in contact with each other and helping one another out, there should be NO worries whatsoever about that. If part of a contract is breached, and someone leaked personal or private information I can see the need to change things, but going back on what is in a signed contract is actually illegal. As per, "don't let the door hit you on the way out" that statement is quite out of place in this thread. Not to mention, it makes you sound like a petty child that has nothing useful to say. And in reply to you, I say this. "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all." Then again, that's just my 2 cents. Kymm

"I seem to post this once every couple of months...but if you do not like the way rosity is run (it is a buisness after all) then you can go up under member options and select the "leave" option, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out." I agree perfectly, which is why I closed my store, my Freebies, and my gallery. OTOH, I have a nasty enough streak in me to continue scanning the Free Stuff pages and to just lurk like 90% of the member base does now. As of Tomorrow morning, I'll prolly stop posting in the forums unless absolutely necessary. So why don't I just waltz out the door? Well, my free stuff servers get about 3,000-5000 download requests per day from Renderosity. While it is unfair to screw the innocent folk using this bandwidth on no-notice (and I would feel rotten for doing it), in a month or so I am seriously considering a move to edit my .htaccess files to block all incoming HTTP requests from *.renderosity.com OTOH, I honestly like the folks involved, so I want to give plentiful warning to them out of fairness. There are about 40 people in all to send IM's to concerning this, and I really don't look forward to doing this at all. This will affect about 200-250 free stuff items, many of which are rather popular. /P

It's unfortunate things have come to this.

don't the the door hit you on the way out....hrmmm the way it looks its not going too...they might leave to fast. This really upsets me that now stuff that was out of the kindness of merchants as freebies is not starting to be pulled. Now i buy some stuff from merchants but because of my financial situation i need freebies sometime...hell alot. And by the way who are you to tell people to leave and not the the door hit them on the way out? What you should be doing is telling peopple "Hey dont leave im sure something will be mentioned..or possable an explination from the site to ease things." no what do you to you say leave. I'm sorry if i afend people with this but i think what is happenin is too many assclowns are taken control or opening ther mouthes. Instead of finding a solution they make the situatio worse by telling peopel to leave. All these people want is an explination not being told its business if you can't handle business leave. If you were any type of business person or if you are a better one you would see what you are saying and what others are doing is poor business. Just my opinion and 2 cents worth Dutchmen

Dutch, I agree with you 100%. Freebies are a BIG part of this site and it's really sad to see quality work be taken from the site over all of this, but it sends a message. It says "Don't mess with us...we built you, we can leave you" Freebies help the newbies out that aren't sure about Poser and give them more options than what's contained "in the box" Penguinisto, I'm sorry to see you pull all the freestuff you host. You made a generous offer because you wanted to give back to the community and I'm sorry the same community you helped is basically giving people the big "f**k you"

dutch27> I am just sick of the ____________[insert what ever here](and not just over this...) Every month there is bitching about what ever the flav of the month is..... Legume gets AOM=8000 threads abotu the shite that is rosity (Legume is the king...hail to the king baby!) Poser 5 not out yet=1932 threads about how they want it now Poser 5 out= 2893 threads about how they should have waited longer to get the bugs out (generally from the same people that were bitching that it was taking too long to be released)...add 800 a day... addnausium Complaints complaints complaints If my posts gets people to leave, then I have more power then I give my self credit for. serpentis> I hope my mini rant did't offend you I really wasn't talking to you, this was just the thread about the recent events that I happened to reply to(the only one afaik)...it wasn't directed at you...the recent turn of events has me worried to, but rosity's owners don't care what we think (proved in everyother thread on the subject). As i understand it Mehndi made rosity a lot of money, they should be careful where they point that gun, that foot keeps getting in the way. Penguinisto> I too get alot (if not 90%) of my traffic from here. I havn't considered closing my store, and wont until I guess this affects me directly. But I do stand by what I said.

we cross posted >>What you should be doing is telling peopple "Hey dont >>leave im sure something will be mentioned..or possable an >>explination from the site to ease things. What ever man I am not a sooth sayer, 150 threads about the evil that is rosity a month....boo hoo stay around it will get better for you....NOT! People who find fault in their decision today will find problems with the situation in a month, and a year, that is the nature of the human. A bitcher is a bitcher is a bitcher. (once again this is describing no one in particular..I gennerally do not read who posted topics, and this is directed at the whole rather then the individual)

serpentis >> I am sad to go, but sometimes things are inevitable, I have been an active member for almost a year. I even got My g/f @ the time (now My loving Wife) involved in 3d art. She got Me Vue 4 for My b-day in August because she got tired of all the damn pin-ups... LMAO. Now, she does more renders in Vue than I do... lol. I mainly wanted to give a warning that My freebie( the only 1 there is) was being pulled. Not start a pissing contest. I'll be around... for the record, follow Penguinisto.. & you'll find Me ;) odeathoflife > Well, you can keep your store here... I give a f**k, but, My advise... watch your @ss for a sharp, sudden Penetration. Because IMO, looks like all Merchants will eventually get SCREWED. Thomas

odeathoflife - You fail to realize that in ANY group there will be bitchers and whiners...and there will be those who want to help...and there will be those who sit idly by and watch everything happen and just deal with it. That is life. You could give 2 people a million dollars each...one will bitch it's not enough and the other will thank you profusely and use it to make their (and their family's) life better...again, such is life... As for the current situation, I do believe telling people to leave could in fact hurt the community we're trying to keep friendly. Hostile responses aren't the way to communicate that. The message we want to convey to the admins and owners of this site is that we ARE a freindly community. Yes, we do have our differences, members come at each other...but it all gets ironed out in the end. If you don't like those bitching, ignore them. But don't just sit idly by and say "Well I'm not doing anything until it effects me" because it DOES effect you. You're a member of this site, you're a consumer of market place products and you're a vendor yourself. I do appreciate your apology, your response did offend me, but that doesn't mean I'm still not offended. Honestly, saying "Just leave if you don't like it" doesn't help much. As a community, with enough voices, we have a chance to change things...stuff like that, especially if members DO leave because of it...hurts us as a whole community.

Thomas, Firstly, please call me Kymm as all my friends do. :) I know you didn't mean to start a pissing contest and I'm sorry if my original comment set off a chain of events leading up to this. Not my original intent. I hear you on getting people into 3D art...so far I have gotten my brother and sister-in-law into Poser and they're actively watching my Rhino "career" take off. I've also gotten a few friends into Poser as well. Hell, my brother is a member of Renderosity and posts here as well (Hi Dutch) and has contributed to R'osity for the past few months. Now all I have to do is figure out where Penguinisto goes to find you ;) Kymm

Ever since way back when the falling/bailing out of "Willow" and friends, primarily from what was considered to be the over 'commercialization' of this site, that same 'commercialization' has become an increasingly sore point of contention here. A lot of generous and dedicated people who had originally worked hard at having a freely open and sharing community, left in droves, to never return. It wouldn't surpirse me that pleanty of members here, saw just THIS kind of situation coming down the pike. I know I did. The foundation of Renderosity has been pretty much crushed to rubble, underneath this computer graphics Strip Mall you now see before you. If that foundation goes out on it, it'll either collapse, or the builders will get that foundation back the way belongs, post haste. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the long time established memebers of that Strip Mall's surrounding community, refused to go to that Strip Mall, because it encroaches too negatively on the peace of mind they've lost. It would be interesting to know how important that commercialism is, to the PTB, if almost no one logged into Renderosity for a month. See how well they flounder along with people who either don't care, or haven't been around long enough to know how it used to be and just don't understand the issues. (Hey! How about trying to get by, with somone who thinks they know what it takes to moderate this place, after only being a member for a month.) So.. if Renderosity really "is a buisness after all", as 'odeathoflife' chooses to lump everything here into, how about Renderosity seeing what it's like to be NOTHING BUT A BUSINESS, for a while. Seems like that's all it wants anyway.

Well said Norbert... & your comments will make ppl who read this think.... Hopefully. Thomas

Hey Norbert, I have been around rosity for a long time (not as long as some but 2years and a bit) and I know whats what with the site...I am not the one who lumped rosity in to the buisness 'lump' they lumped themselves...I just happen to accept that fact. Life goes on...turn the page...kick the dog, but dont string up the messenger. (this is my last post to this thread...)

And why not ??? Hitler & Capone did it. Thomas

WOAH GUYS! You're forgetting the REAL issues here!!! The issues aren't to "string up the messanger" but to help this community get past this and hopefully work something out for the BETTER of the community. We don't need to be fighting amongst ourselves like a pack of wild dogs in the streets. Odeath- while renderosity MAY have lumped themselves in the "business" category, they DO need to make money to support this site. Unless you'd like yet another member site to pay 50 bucks a year to keep running. You, however, are the one that snapped, no matter how out of place or in place you feel it was, that if people didn't like it they could use the door whenever they wanted. I'm pretty damned sure that people who HAVE been here for years like you and me and Penguinisto and how many others, WANT things to work out for the best of the community... This issue is a LOT more than members getting banned and stuff getting pulled. It's principles, morals, legality of contract breaking, and most importantly community togetherness on issues. A lot of people feel that for this reason or that they need to pull their stuff...I respect them for that decision. It's not a decision they made lightly, I'm sure. I'm still fighting with myself over what I should do as a customer and long time member of R'osity myself. I want to show the people who are getting hurt that I support them, but I don't want to turn tail on a site that has made me who I am artistically. While I'm frusterated and a little upset over what's going on...I'm NOT saying I don't like Renderosity and I'm willing to stand by and try to help fix the problems...not just say "Oh well it's business" and move on like a place I've belonged to for the past few years means nothing to me.

My main goal was to inform ppl here I was pulling My freebie, not posting anymore here, & not puting a store up @ rosity. Maybe My views are one sided, but, I haven't seen Tim stepping up to clear this up, @ least not in a professional way. So, I made decisions based on what I know... & have seen. So, biased & 1 sided it maybe, but, until it all comes out... I base on what I can prove. Not meant to be a pissing contest, & for that I apoligize.... esp to Kymm. Thomas

Thomas - I too apologize if I "instigated" this little pissing contest...it wasn't my intent...I've just been frusterated at people leaving, pulling their stuff, walking away... Good people like you and Penguinisto, Mhendi and Entropic getting banned...sigh I apologize to You as well if I, in any way, started this

Boston, way back when. John and Gertrude are enjoying a quiet evening at home. John is reading the local paper. "Hey, look at this, Gertrude! Says King George just put a tax on our tea." "Yeah, so what's yer point, John? Just pay the darn tax." "But Gertie, we don't have a representative in the house of Lords or anything. We don't get any say in anything over there." "Oh quit yer bitchin' John. All you ever do is complain. I'm so sick and tired of you and your friends griping about taxation without representation and all that political crap. Why don't you either just shut up or go back to England?" **** A few nights later **** Gertie hears a racket outside the window and goes to check on it... "Hey! John! Come take a look at this!" "Looks like a bunch of injuns throwing something off the ships in the harbor, Gert." "Yeah, but who do you suppose they could be? We don't have any injuns around here." "Must be some of those complainers you're always telling to shup up or get out, Gert."

hmmm.... I'm not a merchant, but after reading this thread I've got to do something for sale, just to get into that forum to see what the heck is going on. I'm getting pretty good with P5 hair for Mike. I was going to offer it as a freebie, but... I don't really understand the idea of "trade secrets". If you're posting in any forum - public or private, it's not a secret anymore. I know the 'sity must make more than enough money on sales to keep the site up, or else it wouldn't be up. It must cost a bundle with all the hits and storage required. Is the idea of the 'sity to make a profit, or is it done by someone out of the goodness of their heart for the community? Either way is fine with me. Any site is basicly the kingdom of the owner/webmaster, not a democracy (although the concept of a democraticly owned and run site is very appealing, as long as I get a voice and a vote, and don't have to do the work). I'm sad that some vendors are moving their stores. Sometimes its hard to find where they've moved to, and it makes it difficult to find that one item you need for that render you've been working on for three weeks. Hopefully Content Paradise will someday help with that (if it ever gets online). It seems the best place for this thread would have been in the vendor's forum, but if the people who need to discuss this can't get there anymore... I'm SO confused.

You're right about WHO has 'lumped' everything here, into the money machine. I should have been more careful with my wording. Didn't mean to "kill the messenger". Sorry about that.

Well aparently from my understanding from the multiple sites I've visited and read the LONG LONG LONG strings on...Content Paradise is PART of what this is about...I don't want to make speculation without ALL of the information on the topic, but...and I say this wearily of getting banned from the site all together by saying this...it's been stated by others in the community that R'osity and RDNA signed with CL's CP and other sites didn't because of the cost and/or percentage of sales required to sign with CL for this endevor. With that being said...it would be in Tim's best interest to "get rid" of the owners/investors in other brokerage sites so they don't "get in on" Tim's investment... Again - THIS IS JUST SPECULATION after reading about a hundred terribly long threads on the subject and trying to put 2 and 2 together to come up with 4...

CL is charging to be listed in Content Paradise? If I were a vendor I'd tell them to go fck themselves. This one really psses me off. One of the big selling points for P5 was the CP search engine, that would be able to find what you needed without going to a number of sites and doing individual searches. Now I find out that only vendors who pay will be listed. No. That raises the price I'll have to pay for products, and limits those who'll be listed. Smaller sites sometimes have the best stuff, and at a VERY good deal, and they all live by a very tight profit margin. Do places with freebies have to pay for having their freebies listed? Sorry. I know I'm getting off topic, but this one gets under my craw. We've been waiting 2 months for CP. Still no date set for it to be up. And now this. ....grrrrrr....

I wouldn't worry about it. If I were a betting man I would put a sizable lump of cash on CL going belly up by March... leaving a certain "community" with egg on its face. Jack

yeah egg on the face that is a good comparison. And you all make good point. I would also like to apologize to any one i offended lastnight with my comments. I was reading threads and I let my temper get the best of me so I'm sorry to all. The last thing I intended to do is start a bitch fest. At the time I felt what I posted needed to be. Reaction without thinking.

pdx - As I stated, it is only SPECULATION on my part. More about that is in a tremendously long thread at PoserPros. I agree with you, I often buy a lot of my stuff at smaller sites like PoserPros and 3D Arena because I know ppl there or I like the more "intimate" atmosphere. I'm not sure what is/will be required of people to put their stuff on CP, but I do know, that if CL goes belly up by March...there's going to be a LOT of angry customers...But I do think someone (DAZ perhaps?) will pick up the ball. Poser is a HUGE product with world wide support and extra content. Pissing off the natives isn't going to be a bonus point to CL's reputation. Not after all the negative feedback about P5 so far. (Still have yet to pick up my copy...few weeks to go till I have the cash for it)

Woah! Just got teleported into the "OT" forum, right in the middle of reading this thread. Hey. My neck hurts. I think I'm gonna sue for 'whiplash'.

NO doubt...I got a little dizzy here too LOL but shrug We should have expected it to happen with the way that this is going sigh

Just outta curiosity.... how the FUCK is this thread OT ???? Thomas

Hmm.. Im not sure where this thread came from, Im thinkin' Poser Forum? If yes, this thread was prolly moved to OT because its about what is going on with the Merchant Forum Policy. Sorta started out as something about Poser, but led to the situation that has gripped the entire community... Just a thought ;)

"When I found Renderosity some years ago, I really felt that this community was based on trust and making things better for all artists in the community." It was. I see people being banned for no good reason, and I worry. But I have friends here, people who have helped me out immensely, even with matters like just staying alive. People here do care. But let's face it, this is primarily a Poser site. If it ain't for poser, you ain't gonna sell shit, no matter how hard you work. And if it won't work in poser they won't even accept it in the store. What the hell, you know. This too shall pass. This site has been through worse crap than this and survived. I'm more worried about the outright hostility I see here (the site, not this particular post) than I am about some new merchant's policy. I don't agree with a LOT of the bannings I've seen. They were unreasonable. People shouldn't have to watch every word they say, and you should be able to express a critical opinion without being banned for it.

An excellent point that is well said bonestructure. Thomas

bonestructure i couldn't of put it any better myself. It is bad to be baned over an opinon and the freedome of speech.

Bonestructure - I'm with Thomas and Lee...I agree completely with what you said. Legume - First of all, I could care less if you "don't appreciate [my] suggestion one bit." I wasn't 1) talking to you when I said it, 2) about you when I said it and 3) fighting with ourselves has been an issue since day one around here. When artists get together, ego's fly. (Yours is one of the bigger ones around here) However, these ego's are not just "good for competition" or whatever I'm sure you'll say. People around here would argue that the sky is neon green if someone else said it was blue and you know it as well as every other person that visits R'osity regularly. As for "shit can the goddamn 'why can't we all just get along' crap - why don't you can the "I can do whatever I want because everyone worships me" attitude. Not everyone appreciates magic pink pony's and Hitler's with armadillo's (no matter how "artistically" expressed) Just because you've made AOM and Top 20 and get 50 comments per image you post, a god does not make you. (No, that's not a personal attack on you Legume, that's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to one, everyone has one, and there's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion so before you go all "political" and try to have me banned for attacking you...it's not an attack, at all) I'd just like to see more people get together and try to come up with a solution to the issues at hand. The merchant bannings effect us ALL not just the merchants. We all have a vested interest in who's stores are here, will be here and could be here in the future. Have a nice day, Kymm (On a side note, it's wonderful to see the henchmen misquoting what was originally stated."

I like legume. He's crazy lol. You just have to take anything he says with several grains of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism.