Allow me to preface this blithering rant by saying that I've been hanging out, and recently posting, here at Renderosity for several months now, and I have seen some truly magnificent artwork created by some of the most talented folks in my experience. Of course, by the same token I've seen some absolute dreck as well. I have also been following the whole "Gallery Content/ Naked Vicki in a Temple" debate with a fair amount of mingled amusement and disgust. Some of ya'll out there prepare to stick some pins in your official JettBoy Voodoo Doll.

It's the JettBoy's opinion that there are two seperate and distinct thought processes at work in the "Gallery Content" debate which has been raging on (and on) 'round here. One group shouts "Look what I can do with Poser!", while the other group shouts, "Look at the art I've created!". Whether or not they are concious of it, every person here falls on one side of that fence or the other. Personally, I don't find endless streams of cookie-cutter nude, large-breasted, masterbatory fantasy girls to be all that artistic. Back home they use to say "just because a cat has kittens inside an oven don't make 'em biscuits"; likewise, just because one can create images of nude, large-breasted, masterbatory fantasy girls doesn't make one Frank Frazetta.

Speaking strictly for myself, Poser is just another tool in my big ol' art box, no different than Photoshop, Illustrator, Bryce, photography, acrylics, watercolors or oils. In the grand scheme of things, art is about exploring yourself...your own heart, mind, attitude, experience and unique vision, not about exploring a computer program. I am an ARTIST, not a product demonstrator for Curious Labs. How 'bout you?

Not an artist, never will be, happy playing with my toys without pretense about doing anything else. And no naked Vicky in the Temple in my gallery. Not all of us amateurs have any interest in Frank Frazetta and his knock offs. No offense to the people who like those fantasy guys and gals, because you should do what you enjoy doing...just saying they do zero for me. Two categores. Fine, I'm happy to be in the "Look, what I can do with Poser." They seem an honest enough group to me.

Sorry, I think I need to see a picture of the Cat with biscuits in the oven, the reference needs clarifying hahaha :P

If your such a great Artist acclaimed by your fellow countrymen - put up your Bio and let us be the judge.

Poser is a plugin for Photoshop and Bryce. ;] Ermmm... Frazetta didn't do naked women in temples and ruins, that was Royo and Vallejo, Dailyn. Frazetta does scantily clad women in the jungles with sabretoothed tigers. ;] Clevenger does naked women with aliens. Get yo fantasy sterotypes straight, dammit! ;]

Hey Mac, if those faux romance novel covers are yours I'd have to say I'm impressed! You may be an artist and not actually know it...don't panic, it's OK, they have a lot of different treatment options these days.

I stand corrected...I'm clearly not well versed in fantasy art. Don't forget Jasc Paint Shop Pro...we're not all upscale, you know. I'm happily using Poser in combination with PSP. Where can I get a sabretoothed tiger? I have all these horses around that have been beaten to death and I am in need of a clean up crew.

By the way JettBoy anyone can be an artist(and yes their mine). If peoples hearts are with pretty girls and temples so be it... it's art to them and many and I am sure it comes from the heart... personally I don't think you have the understanding or the back ground to prove your point of view... Please rant some where else. Dale MacMullin BFA, BA, B.Ed

Hmmmm....Naked Vicky in an oven,with large biscuits...

I think Jettboy has a right to rant....we just have a right to rant back. I like your book covers. Did you really do them that fast or did you happen to have them on hand for an opportune moment???

No question where I fall...still just a hobbyist. Some of you may use your creations in projects for pay, but I'm not sure how many actually just sell images they make for cash like a say a painter would. So here we are...hobbyguys..."artists"...illustrators... But for my 2 cents, the real talents here are the people who create all the great characters, etc that we get to use. Art??..Who knows from art?? Beav

sigh Sadly, dialyn, no one seems to have done a sabretooth yet. ;[ Hrmmm... think we can convince Anton to add it to his cat project? The Millenium Sabretooth maybe? ;] Or possibly Lynne over at VistaInternet... hrmmm....

I've just joined in here in the past few days and by jove I'm glad to see you're all just as batty as the brysters. Catlin 8)

The Harlequin Book covers are six feet high and four feet wide in real life (in all 20 of them). Created with magic markers, photocopies and watercolor. I had them on hand... there from my old portfolio when I did my Fine Arts Degree.

Ironbear....Hasn't someone done a tiger...seems like it wouldn't be a hard morph from lion to tiger to sabretooth. I think Anton or Lynn should look into this. A prehistoric series. Mastadon, anyone? Why does Rachel Welch in a fur bikinni suddenly enter my mind....am I dating myself or what? Of course you have to date yourself when no else will. But that's another story.

I like the Idea of Naked Vicky in an oven,with large biscuits. Yummy....

Macmullin....20 of them? that's cool. They would be great for a library display: "Find Romance in the Library...check it out today." Guess where I work? ;)

would that be violence AND nudity reguarding the vicky oven?

No...It's an Easy-Bake Oven by Hasbro

LOL new meaning to Pop Tarts hahaha!

Attached Link: Mammoth

so, like...why is renderosity STILL described as "online graphic ARTIST community?" if the hobbyists outnumber the artists 20 to 1 in the gallery...why doesn't r'osity call a spade a spade...and, go completely with their new vision for this site...and, actually call it an online graphics hobbyist site? me thinks that they need that word "artist" to sell. am i the only one who would like to view some stuff by folks who are better at cg than i am, as opposed to viewing works by someone who is worse, and, not even caring?

How 'bout that...cool Mammoth. Well, that does give one ideas. Fortunately I'm on the West Coast. Dating oneself is an acceptable alternative lifestyle here. Now, to find out if a sabretooth is a possibilitiy.

Well, I posted before I saw the sabre tooth entered the scene. Thanks!

Can't someone make a Sabertooth from those kittens?

Sabre-tooth seems to be out of my price range....oh well, the hunt goes on. Where is Raquel when you need her?

Wow Mac, your credentials are very impressive... makes my sad lil' BFA seem pretty puny by comparison! I think you might have misunderstood my initial post, possibly construeing it as a challenge to get into an academic pissing match. Never did I say that anyone COULD NOT be an artist based on the content of their work. If one's intent is to express some portion of themselves, they are quite probably artists (maybe not very good artists...but hey, taste is subjective). At one point in your chastising of the JettBoy, you mention, I'm paraphrasing, "if it comes from the heart, it's art." I agree. I just find it hard to believe that every single image of a large-breasted, masterbatory fantasy girl is actually "from the heart". Perhaps another segment of the anatomy...

Dialyn...Sorry for not getting back to you... Thank you for you kind comments. I am glad you like them, but you would need a very large Library to show them all. The most I have ever been able to show at one time is eight.

Well, depends on the size of the library near you, of course. Neat project. I'll also vote you on the "artist" side of the fence. ;)

JettBoy at the end of all of this foolishness.. I like Swaps idea best... with a pinch of mine.... Off to render a Naked Vicky in an Easy-Bake oven, with large biscuits :-P

*** We interrupt this rant to annoy you and make things generally irritating. ***

Sabretooth cats were not tigers, nor were they closely related to tigers.

Smilodon didn't even have a long tail; it had a bobtail.

*** We now return to your regularly-scheduled rant, already in progress. ***

...Followed up with a movie trailers of "Clan of the Cave Bear" and "In Quest of Fire" :-)

..this is going to be big...I can feel it....

Attached Link: University of Iowa/Department of Geoscience

Ok,if you can't make a Sabertooth out of those kittens...what about that Cat Character for Vicky?

"Poser is a plugin for Photoshop and Bryce. ;]" -Ironbear Lies, all Lies! I've recently discovered that Poser is actually a plugin for POV-Ray and The GIMP (and maybe Vue, but the jury's still out on that one :p ) Up Wid Da Cheap Bastards! :) /P

"if the hobbyists outnumber the artists 20 to 1 in the gallery...why doesn't r'osity call a spade a spade" -Poppi ...because the art matters, baby! (where's that :lmao: emoticon when you really need it?) :) /P

And we needed another whole new thread for this? Isn't the other one still warm?

The other one didn't have a sabretooth cat, masadon, and Raquel Welch in it...not mention no kittens in the oven. I kind of enjoy watching these threads unravel at the ends.

I like watching them unravel at the beginning and middle also. ;] Heh. GIMP. Pov-Ray. Freebie whore. ;] <------- Smug eliteist bastisch. ;]

I'm with Penguinisto, I'm just another Freebie whore. I think I'll go create my first NVIAT for the hell of it. Tashar 59

GIMP makes me crazy. I vote for Pixia. :) Art is really one of those subjective matters. Some people like Warhol or the Blue Dog series. Some like surrealism or cubism. Some like pin-up art. Some like rendering blue cubes and calling them Blue. As long as everyone is enjoying themselves, what difference does it make. I consider myself an amateur artist, I have a knack for it in traditional media and I'm still working on bringing that through in the 3D Arena. Its all a learning experience. Maybe some of these people are doing just that. Most of us can look at some of our earlier work, regardless of the medium, and say that they would have done this or that differently - added a light here, used a better texture there.

"Smilodon didn't even have a long tail; it had a bobtail." Sorry LD, Smilodon isn't the only sabretooth cat. Just the North American variety. It had a bobtail. Now look up the african fossil examples - a number of those had sabreteeth and long tails. And were not smilodons. ;]